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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Hmm, new OP song. Not bad although it sounds similar to the previous one. The episode was okay, Shirou Kotomine's confrontation with Jeanne leads to more conflicts. Jeanne assures that she wants to make Sieg's dream come true. Action was kinda meh this week. New ED theme song is okay. |
Stark700Sep 30, 2017 8:24 AM
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  Why do those two have more chemistry than Sieg and Jeanne? |
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| They changed that cool OP song to this.... :'( And I didn't really understand why Saber killed that Master of Black |
LawfulEngineer said: How the heck are people able to find the raws so fast? I've checked the usual places and no one has it lol Have you tried it in Japanese? |
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mira-pyon said: LawfulEngineer said: How the heck are people able to find the raws so fast? I've checked the usual places and no one has it lol Have you tried it in Japanese? I don't know how to look it up, mind telling me? |
| Oh look, the op of this show now longer sucks balls. Huh. |
Well, just typing 'フェイト/アポクリファ' with the episode number at the end should get you what you want. Also that is a beautiful medjed you have as your AV. |
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JaimeC said: CondemneDio said: Oh look, the op of this show now longer sucks balls. Huh. But I liked the first Op :( Edit: the new Op feels so generic. I disliked it more than any other anime opening to this day :D This is by no means a personal attack, mind you. |
mira-pyon said: Well, just typing 'フェイト/アポクリファ' with the episode number at the end should get you what you want. Also that is a beautiful medjed you have as your AV. Ohh it worked lol, thank you my savior. Glad you liked it. Btw your signature is from the "history of the entire world" video right? :D |
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| I don't know how to feel about the new opening. The song have an anticlimatic transition between the verse and the chorus, and with the visuals I felt like I was watching an AMV. The ending was cool tho. |
| Celenike's death was one of the most randomly hilarious deaths I have ever seen. Like, it looked Mordred killed her like just because she was just walking there and she got bored (I know it must be because she respects Sieg, but it was still funny). Looks like Avicebron has passed to the Red Team now. And speaking about him, his lack of presence in both OP/ED saddens me. Is he going to be THAT irrelevant? |
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| Astolfo completely play as Sieg's girl role now even heck even a bit of tsundere play for a moment. And why did Mordred even watching that scene? she just got bored and kill her off just like that |
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Illyricus said: Like, it looked Mordred killed her like just because she was just walking there and she got bored (I know it must be because she respects Sieg, but it was still funny). Nah its nothing about respect.It was because "plot" demanded it.Celenike was unironically doing a good job that one time .But because our special snowflake MC has to survive somehow ,Mordred appeared out of nowhere and killed her. You entered the war on your own peril and you keep on interfering even if you don't have a servant .If not anything,Jeanne would the first to get rid of him being a ruler but the "plot" doesn't demand it lol. Just like he somehow survived the backlash of a self destructive NP of Frankenstein despite being within the explosion range after being stabbed through the heart.Instead those electric waves somehow triggered his pseudo-Siegfried transformation because,you know "plot".Btw,this isn't the end of Fran's influence on him as you will see later on. This guy will keep on surviving and keep on gaining power ups just not because he interfered or actually do something for a change but because he would be present in majority of all conflicts between others and he would survive just because others would think he isn't worth their time and so they will focus on killing each other but guess what,who profits due to power-ups as a result of collateral damage? :*) At the end of the show,you will only have 1 feeling: "Wewlads,this self-insert of the author had somehow managed to survive but I wonder how much suspension of disbelief is going to be stretched?"" Do not worry,the kind of things that he would pull off there would make you bow down and acknowledge the true "power of plot" whom nobody could defeat.I wouldn't reveal details because..spoilers. Btw,MC surviving till the end aint one in this case because that is usually how a majority of similar LN rolls.. I hate to say this about any "Fate-related character" and never imagined I would actually have the opportunity to say this, but he is one of those will make Kirito look pretty rad after the show completes. |
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Animestic said: Well, if its as bas as you say, at least I hope the trainwreck ends being entertaining.Illyricus said: Like, it looked Mordred killed her like just because she was just walking there and she got bored (I know it must be because she respects Sieg, but it was still funny). Nah its nothing about respect.It was because "plot" demanded it.Celenike was unironically doing a good job that one time .But because our special snowflake MC has to survive somehow ,Mordred appeared out of nowhere and killed her. You entered the war on your own peril and you keep on interfering even if you don't have a servant .If not anything,Jeanne would the first to get rid of him being a ruler but the "plot" doesn't demand it lol. Just like he somehow survived the backlash of a self destructive NP of Frankenstein despite being within the explosion range after being stabbed through the heart.Instead those electric waves somehow triggered his pseudo-Siegfried transformation because,you know "plot".Btw,this isn't the end of Fran's influence on him as you will see later on. This guy will keep on surviving and keep on gaining power ups just not because he interfered or actually do something for a change but because he would be present in majority of all conflicts between others and he would survive just because others would think he isn't worth their time and so they will focus on killing each other but guess what,who profits due to power-ups as a result of collateral damage? :*) At the end of the show,you will only have 1 feeling: "Wewlads,this self-insert of the author had somehow managed to survive but I wonder how much suspension of disbelief is going to be stretched?"" Do not worry,the kind of things that he would pull off there would make you bow down and acknowledge the true "power of plot" whom nobody could defeat.I wouldn't reveal details because..spoilers. Btw,MC surviving till the end aint one in this case because that is usually how a majority of similar LN rolls.. I hate to say this about any "Fate-related character" and never imagined I would actually have the opportunity to say this, but he is one of those will make Kirito look pretty rad after the show completes. |
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StardustReverie said: It's literally impossible to watch this with a straight face. The way our ominpotent overlord sieg first gained a servant's powers and now became a goddamned fucking master in a way no logical reasoning can convey is just too funny for words. well, if Kotomine Shirou is a Ruler Servant and he is also the master of Assassin, then why not Sieg? In the original F/SN, Caster stole Saber from Shirou, and she's also the Master of Assassin, so certainly this is possible on the Fate universe. I don't know how this isn't logical for you In Fate/GO Mash also gained power from a servant and she became a demi-servant. It makes me believe that you just want to dislike Apocrypha just because it is quite "meh" compared to Stay Night |
CrimsonWandererOct 1, 2017 11:40 AM
| "We could make the world better, but it's easier to just shut our eyes." ~Blackwall |
| I'm back after three days and I'm glad to see the shitposting about Apocrypha is still the same. And by "glad" I mean "this stopped being funny or even annoying like two months ago, guys". That aside, the OP has some really good animations but it's extremely boring in everything else. Even the song itself is really forgettable. Lisa disappointed me this time. I love the ED tho: it's simple, it almost has no animations, but it does its job and does it well. Also, I've started to remember it since I listened it in the PV for the second cour last week, while I listened the OP like three or four times and I still can't remember a single note. The episode itself seemed ok, but I'll wait for subs since there was a lot of talking and I'm not sure I got all of it |
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Animestic said: Illyricus said: Like, it looked Mordred killed her like just because she was just walking there and she got bored (I know it must be because she respects Sieg, but it was still funny). Nah its nothing about respect.It was because "plot" demanded it.Celenike was unironically doing a good job that one time .But because our special snowflake MC has to survive somehow ,Mordred appeared out of nowhere and killed her. Except you can use 'the plot demanded it' in every single series, no matter how good it is. And Mordred coming out of nowhere DOES have a reason. Sure, they could've made it look less ass-pully by showing a shot of Mordred noticing Sieg, but it's pretty obvious why Mordred would want to off Celenike. 1) Celenike is an evil-witch type character, which Mordred hates 2) She gets to casually kill a Master therefore, from her perspective, killing off another potential enemy 3) Mordred is a genuinely nice person - if she sees someone being bullied like that, she will try to save them 4) There may be an element of respect there too as Put those together and it doesn't sound like an asspull or 'plot demands it' moment at all. It's very character-driven, actually. You entered the war on your own peril and you keep on interfering even if you don't have a servant .If not anything,Jeanne would the first to get rid of him being a ruler but the "plot" doesn't demand it lol. Incorrect. Ruler =/= the Church. Jeanne works by her own rules. It's stated very clearly in the mats. Moreover, Sieg is a freaking homunculus from the Black side. He was in the war from even before Day 1, so it's not a case of 'random kid stumbles into great secret' like it is in FSN. And, even if it were, Jeanne would not kill him; she is a Saint. She would not kill the innocent. Just like he somehow survived the backlash of a self destructive NP of Frankenstein despite being within the explosion range after being stabbed through the heart.Instead those electric waves somehow triggered his pseudo-Siegfried transformation because,you know "plot".Btw,this isn't the end of Fran's influence on him as you will see later on. Perfectly explained reason for this. Fran's blueprints include a line which states that, in death via Blasted Tree, another Frankenstein's Monster will be created. This one is definitely an asspull because it's pretty clear that the effect has no links to the original Frankenstein novel and is just there for the sake of reviving Sieg. But it is explained so it's not 'somehow survived'. "Wewlads,this self-insert of the author had somehow managed to survive but I wonder how much suspension of disbelief is going to be stretched?"" The buzz-phrase you're looking for is 'Mary Sue' or 'Gary Stu', not 'self-insert'. StardustReverie said: It's literally impossible to watch this with a straight face. The way our ominpotent overlord sieg first gained a servant's powers and now became a goddamned fucking master in a way no logical reasoning can convey is just too funny for words. Booblady's only purpose in this anime was to summon asfalto just to die and give him over to sieg. Come on, at least try with your invalid logic. Sieg can become a Master the same way . He already has Command Spells so he qualifies as a stray Master. Stray Masters can make contracts with stray Servants. Simple. The way Apocrypha does it is bullshit, but it's logical and there is a clear explanation. And, yes, you'll find that most of Apo's characters are just there to give Sieg a quick protag boost. Don't even get me started on mordred. She just happens to be there to get sieg out of trouble, ignores asfalto, It's not 'happens'. I'm copy-pasting this as I can't be asked to write it again: Except you can use 'the plot demanded it' in every single series, no matter how good they are. And Mordred coming out of nowhere DOES have a reason. Sure, they could've made it look less ass-pully by showing a shot of Mordred noticing Sieg, but it's pretty obvious why Mordred would want to off Celenike. 1) Celenike is an evil-witch type character, which Mordred hates 2) She gets to casually kill a Master therefore, from her perspective, killing off another potential enemy 3) Mordred is a genuinely nice person - if she sees someone being bullied like that, she will try to save them 4) There may be an element of respect there too as Put those together and it doesn't sound like an asspull or 'plot demands it' moment at all. It's very character-driven, actually. Also she ignores Astolfo because Astolfo is ridiculously easy to beat. She's already killed his Master. Her thought process would've been that he'd just disappear or that, even if he weren't to disappear, she could easily kill him in a one swoop. and then you tell me she somehow flies the car over to the floating gardens like it's harry potter just in time to get our second hero jannu out of trouble as well? Wow, what an unimaginative explanation. There're thousands of ways Mordred could get unto the Gardens. The most obvious way being the same way every non-Red got on: by using the cyclone-like winds as a lift. Just like everyone else, she could've easily used the rising debris as footholds to get up. And that's just the most obvious way. If you know a bit more lore, you could also say that she could use her Mana Burst or some output from her sword to propel her up, kinda like how Bakugo uses his explosions to fly in the air in HeroAca. Also it's explained in the novel that Mordred could find Jeane because Chiron purposely shot his arrow to give away their position. And while doing so turns on her whole alliance as well as the one she was supposed to be fighting on the drop of a hat. Umm, alliance? You do realise that she was never actually with the Red side in the first place, right? It's less of an alliance and more of a 'put up with'. Mordred and Shishi made their intentions concerning teamwork pretty clear at the start. What was the premise of this show again? Why even advertise it like that? Tbh, ¯_(ツ)_/¯ Apo is definitely a swirling soup of lost potential and useless characters. Dunno why Higa didn't just change the synopsis after deciding that the story wouldn't be focusing on the actual HGW. They make oji-san seem like he's the stupid guy but he's the only one in this show who's making any sense. Who is this 'Oji-san' you speak of? You can't tell me this is professional work. It feels like some fanfiction written by an amateur. It's kinda both. But somehow kinoko sill apparently oversaw this whole thing and gave it the green light. Well yeah. Nasu isn't an almighty god with immensely strict rules. He just gave pointers on the plot+characters and made sure the lore was accurate and let Higashide roll. Keep in mind that Nasu also gave the terrible first few chapters of FGO a green light, as well as his terribly written H-scenes, and those are way worse than Apo. I don't know why they even made this anime. Several reasons 1) Money - it's the Fate boom currently. This is the best time to release a Fate/anime, no matter how bad it is, as people just want more. Moreover, Apo has popular characters like Jeanne and Astolfo and airing the anime would excuse more and more merchandise which would, again mean more money. 2) It's easy - firstly, Apo is already pretty terrible, so there are only so many ways A-1 can make it worse than it already is. Secondly, Apo has an easy-to-adapt Light Novel structure. Its themes and plot are simple so the viewer won't need much of an attention span to understand; it has lots of fights so, even though the plot is terrible, the viewers should, in theory, be kept entertained by the battles. 3) To get it out of the way - once this bad anime is done and dusted, it doesn't have to be revisited. Fate/ can move on to adapting better plots and spinoffs without the thought of 'leaving Apocrypha out'. This could potentially have a seriously bad effect on the fate name as a whole. In the west where everyone loves to draw conclusions based on half-assed information? Maybe. In Japan where Apocrypha is basically long-since forgotten and FGO is bringing in a lot of moolah with its ever-improving story lines? Nope. |
mira-pyonOct 1, 2017 2:06 PM
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| @mira-pyon Perfectly explained reason for this. Fran's blueprints include a line which states that, in death via Blasted Tree, another Frankenstein's Monster will be created. This one is definitely an asspull because it's pretty clear that the effect has no links to the original Frankenstein novel and is just there for the sake of reviving Sieg. But it is explained so it's not 'somehow survived'. Well, I wouldn't say that since Fran's electricity literally gave her life in her story. It being used to revive the only corpse in the vicinity makes sense in that context IMO. They shouldn't let us infer this kind of information regarding the freaking resurrection of the main character, though. |
astroprogs said: @mira-pyon Perfectly explained reason for this. Fran's blueprints include a line which states that, in death via Blasted Tree, another Frankenstein's Monster will be created. This one is definitely an asspull because it's pretty clear that the effect has no links to the original Frankenstein novel and is just there for the sake of reviving Sieg. But it is explained so it's not 'somehow survived'. Well, I wouldn't say that since Fran's electricity literally gave her life in her story. It being used to revive the only corpse in the vicinity makes sense in that context IMO. Well I meant in the sense that 'Fran's original story didn't have the occurrence of someone being brought to life as a result of her death'. The electricity definitely links, but I can't think of anything that, both figuratively and literally, Fran's death brought to life in her original story. Hence, that it has that effect in the LN seems very Sieg-based and asspully. They shouldn't let us infer this kind of information regarding the freaking resurrection of the main character, though. Yeah, that was dumb. |
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| @mira-pyon Except you can use 'the plot demanded it' in every single series, no matter how good it is. And Mordred coming out of nowhere DOES have a reason. Sure, they could've made it look less ass-pully by showing a shot of Mordred noticing Sieg, but it's pretty obvious why Mordred would want to off Celenike. 1) Celenike is an evil-witch type character, which Mordred hates 2) She gets to casually kill a Master therefore, from her perspective, killing off another potential enemy 3) Mordred is a genuinely nice person - if she sees someone being bullied like that, she will try to save them 4) There may be an element of respect there too as Put those together and it doesn't sound like an asspull or 'plot demands it' moment at all. Except my commentary was nothing against Mordred or her motivations but how she literally pulled off a Randy Orton(I hope you get the reference) on the audience just for the sake of special snowflake surviving so this techically comes across as a convenient plot device rather than her own motivations for instigating what she did. Btw he is higashide's self insert given how much he likes jeanne and the amount of shit he pulls off to mimic that one ending in VN >she gets to kill a master ....So she kills celenike completely ignoring astolfo and left the scene only to save sieg who can potentially become a master with a servant near him and re enter the war.I mean if she is trying to be pragmatic,she is doing a pretty bad job I must say. The major mistake that mordred actually committed is that she didnt prana burst sieg into oblivion to begin with but then again most people die when they are stabbed through the heart but our special mc needs to survive based on plot. Btw.Sieg doesnt know what to do with his life yet somehow he knows how to form a servant contract? Ok lol Thats not even touching the subject of how he gained consciousness and free will just by conveniently being at the right place at the right time. Incorrect. Ruler =/= the Church. Jeanne works by her own rules. It's stated very clearly in the mats. Moreover, Sieg is a freaking homunculus from the Black side. He was in the war from even before Day 1, so it's not a case of 'random kid stumbles into great secret' like it is in FSN. And, even if it were, Jeanne would not kill him; she is a Saint. She would not kill the innocent. Yet Jeanne pretty much told him after entire Siegfried fiasco that he isnt affliated with anyone and can lead a normal life because he has been set free. A ruler must have other effective ways to keep innocents out of touble if not anything else. Yet when he re-entered the war,Jeanne had no obligation to help him yet she did against Sparactus.The anime made it look like the town was in the way so I guess a point for that. Even then she told sieg to back off but snowflake didn't. In this type of scenarios,your classification as a saint shouldn't hinder your duties as a ruler because this guy is clearly interfering and objectively is an outsider.Yet Jeanne did nothing. Perfectly explained reason for this. Fran's blueprints include a line which states that, in death via Blasted Tree, another Frankenstein's Monster will be created. This one is definitely an asspull because it's pretty clear that the effect has no links to the original Frankenstein novel and is just there for the sake of reviving Sieg. But it is explained . You yourself called out on the bullshit and then you said its justified because its written in some obscure place that you have to infer through some analogy.Thats called narrative incoherence. Btw he is a self insert of fanfiction tier given how much author likes jeanne and the amount of bullshit he pulls off to mimic that one VN ending. |
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brizentshirome said: @Animestic You are obviously a troll, given the amount of bullshit you pull off to mimic that chinese shitposter who haunted Apocrypha threads in the first seven episodes. you have copied the buzzwords, memes and shitposting style too. This is really scary! If a guy actually bother pointing out the flaws of an adaptation and make solid points he becomes a troll ? This is rich coming from a guy who hasn't even updated his animelist and every single post of his co-relates to his obsession with a particular MC :*) One just has to go through a user's previous posts to assume whether he is genuine or not.Sorry,you have to try harder next time.Good luck there. FYI, if a lot of people have similar issues,it speaks volumes about the anime rather than those pointing them out . |
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lazypigz said: Best part of the episode right thereI fucking love you Mordred. Thanks for killing off Astolfos master I'm liking these new turn of events though....So I'm still all in with this series, also the new OP and ED are pretty nice |
| Damn, now plebs will like Mordred even more, that's not good. Nice OP, and good ED. |
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| I wonder how they are gonna make Jeanne and Sieg pairing any less forced with the amount of episodes they have left.. |
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| Somehow Mordred appeared out of nowhere, and again, can't Sieg just dodge the stupid nail?! Mordred rages to the Flying Park just to make her point, which looked reasonable. But then, I'm not on Sieg-Astolfo, nor Jack and Fran hype train, which made me less sympathetic towards them. Black factions looks to be game over, except if the 'I just don't understand whatever I have to say anymore' Sieg make them win. One of the poorest weak to strong protagonist I've ever seen. Seriously. |
| Life isn't as fun and easy as anime. Watch anime to bring that fun!! |
| The Black Faction keeps getting fucked over, they've now lost Avicebron. Also, Sieg is now Astolfo's master, thanks to Mordred killing off that extremely irrelevant and forgettable glasses boob woman, so that's an interesting, yet expected, development. Also, the new OP and ED were ok. |
| People on MAL refuse to actually enjoy watching anime. Your taste in anime isn't a personality trait. MAL is literally just anime Twitter as its own website lol. |
| I like Sieg and all, but the way he just keeps on getting new powers is massively stretching my suspension of disbelief because it just gets more and more nonsensical with every episode. Also, while I'm happy that she did, why would Mordred just randomly kill Astolfo's master like that? Sure, she was annoying beyond belief, but there's no reason Mordred would kill her, at least not without then killing Sieg and Astolfo (which at that point she certainly had the power to do). In fact, I would have much preferred to see Astolfo kill his master instead, as that would have had more emotional weight to it. Also, kinda annoying that they have Mordred show up in Shirou's floating fortress, only to then have everyone other than Caster flee mere moments later; it's understandable, but kinda annoying when they just tease the audience like that. |
| Like the new OP more than the old one not sure about the ED though. Glad Celenike dead now as she was pretty much another version of Shinji Matou. Not liking Shirou Amakusa as a villain so far. |
| Im not really sure about you, but from today I could say that Mordred should be the MVP of this anime! She always shows alone with her master without any allay to support them and make the biggest impressions and fate. They are the most feared threat to their enemies |
| Halfway through and im really not feeling this show. Been loosing interest since episode 1 mainly because of this boring cast. Close to dropping this one since im not enjoying it one bit . |
| Yeah Mordred! She killed that evil sadist psycho bitch. She had her own reasons too, the way that woman was insulting the homunculus, and Mordred herself being a homunculus, she had every reason to kill her. Also when she basecly saved everyone from Shiro and the golems was also amazing. |
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| Thank God that rider's master was killed. She was annoying. Now this whole Black vs Red is fucked up. |
| "The future is always blank. Only your willpower can leave footsteps there." "Ruling over death means ruling over life. Death is the climax of life. To have the best death, you must honor life." |
| Thank you Mordred killing off Astolfo's master. So Sieg became Astolfo's master and officially joins the war and the Black Faction are having a hard time. |
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| Woo, no more shitty egoist opening. maton456full said: Good ending and opening . Astolfo and Sieg do a good partner relationship ( fuyojis get out of here) I'm not a fujo, and I aircraft carrier them. |
| Be thankful for the wisdom granted to you. |
| New OP song is okay... Probably one of my least liked LiSA song and the fucking visuals still suck. |
| Why Mordred want kill her? i don´t understand the reason? Revenge is the natural but... |
| I already liked Mordred so far, but I'm glad that she killed that psycho bitch of a master of Astolfo. Good riddance to her. ¬_¬ Other than that, it was a pretty eventful episode. Shirou is the main antagonist now and must be stopped, but having Caster and Lancer on his side will make him a very tough opponent to beat. Sieg has become a master and made Astolfo his servant, which is really nice to see, since I enjoy seeing the two interact together. =) The new OP from LiSA is pretty good and probably better than Egoist's song. As for the ED song, it's certainly catchy, but I prefer the previous one from Garnidelia for now. =) |
| Mordred is badass. Silence that annoying master just like that. Nice to see Rider become servant to Sieg. |
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
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