Rokka: Braves of the Six Flowers (light novel)
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| A mystery show isn't very satisfactory when the mystery has barely even started. I'm sure it'll get more interesting when more plot details are revealed but for the moment it's nothing special Give it time |
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| Ive watched this since pretty much the beginning, which is near when I started using MaL actively, and Ive actually seen Rokka go down since the mystery started :/ Oh well, you cant satisfy everyone. Personally, I think the main character is a godsend among anime MCs and that the show is amazing, so Ive been trying to get more people to watch it by posting reviews and recommendations, but Im not sure its doing much. Also, ironically, Ive found that rokka threads on sites tend to have more posts than other shows currently airing, but lower ratings. I think that goes to show how active the fans are with the current mystery and how much they intensely like it. |
NowOrNever88 said: Also, ironically, Ive found that rokka threads on sites tend to have more posts than other shows currently airing, but lower ratings. That's because we have stuff to discuss, unlike most other shows. Mystery shows are ripe for discussion. We also have people who want to rip "Plot holes" In the anime, which we debunk. |
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| simply because so far its not that good as an anime and I guess many people are disappointed. I do like the mystery, but as I said in the episode discussions, as long as I dont know the solution, I cant say if its "fair" in informations given and thats the crucial point for an mystery imo. Also many things arent properly explained in the anime imo and since we dont know if they are gonna make a second season (which is unlikely considering the stats from japan) the whole scenario is pretty much wasted. You could do the "find the fake" in every setting if you give few enough information. If this would have 24 or so episodes, split in the character introducing and mystery part and the "something actually happens" part it could be better. But atm its just a LN appetizer and thats always bad. |
| "This emotion is mine alone. It is for Madoka alone." - Homura or how I would descripe Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica. |
| Lots of great shows are ranked low and lots of dumb ones are ranked high, so MAL's score really doesn't mean much. Nothing unusual. |
Jagd84 said: Lots of great shows are ranked low and lots of dumb ones are ranked high, so MAL's score really doesn't mean much. Nothing unusual. This. I'm really enjoying this show, but the score doesn't matter. |
| Could you at least be less of an ass next time you start a topic? There is no need to insult those that prefer other shows... By the way, I really need to know, is the rating and ranking hindering your ability to enjoy the show? If not (which I hope it’s the case), then stop crying about it, and enjoy the show. /end topic |
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| There''s no need to insult those who don't like, come on now... That kind of show is actually niche. You need to like detective story and like fantasy setting. + You need to be fine with average animation + you need to be fine with lots of dialogue and little action and no ecchi/comedy either . That's very niche for an anime, especially the last part. But with the fantasy setting, lots of peoples start watching thinking "action anime". We have more than 50k watchers in MAL watching it right now. There's definitely a lot in those 50k who don't like that type of story. If it wasn't for that, RnY could actually have a smaller poll of watchers but a higher score. ->The high number of peoples who wrongly thought it was action and started watching it is currently killing the rating. |
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| different people have different tastes. Its that easy, if a million people say a show is 8/10, then its probably "true" and if like 10.000 people say its garbage then they are probably "wrong" - why? Because the majority is the part that actually pays (or some of them atleast). That functions the other way around too. What I think is pretty interesting, is that in japan some shows have very high sales but the international/mal community think its bad. Again, works in both ways. As long as the anime industry still works that way (and I really hope they get on the streaming hype train, so they can generate money from the international community too. Many animes dont get a second season or have bad quality because they dont generate enough money. If this happens, a localisation in the west is also pretty unlikely. ) this will always be a problem for the whole industry. And here is the problem with this anime in particular: if you have watched the show, the mystery is solved. And if you know the fake, the rewatch value will be pretty low. Other anime have the ecchi/comedy part to counter that problem, but this is just to special to be a success. So the people have no reason to buy the anime. |
| "This emotion is mine alone. It is for Madoka alone." - Homura or how I would descripe Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica. |
Comander-07 said: different people have different tastes. Its that easy, if a million people say a show is 8/10, then its probably "true" and if like 10.000 people say its garbage then they are probably "wrong" - why? Because the majority is the part that actually pays (or some of them atleast). That functions the other way around too. Actually, it's not like this. The good thing about anime is that even if a million people say some show is bad, if it finds its audience of 10 000 people who like it - it is good enough. Shows that attempt to sell to everybody at once end up bland and unappealing. It's the specialization that makes shows that are truly good (in the eyes of intended audience). Comander-07 said: What I think is pretty interesting, is that in japan some shows have very high sales but the international/mal community think its bad. Again, works in both ways. That can be assumed to be difference in culture. Or just big advertizing failure/success in japan. Comander-07 said: And here is the problem with this anime in particular: if you have watched the show, the mystery is solved. And if you know the fake, the rewatch value will be pretty low. Other anime have the ecchi/comedy part to counter that problem, but this is just to special to be a success. So the people have no reason to buy the anime. Actually, we LN readers have enjoyed the anime too. |
flannan said: That logic is pretty terrible. There are always *some people* who like or dislike literally any anime ever. If just a minority liking it is enough to be considered good... then every anime is good. Like all of themComander-07 said: different people have different tastes. Its that easy, if a million people say a show is 8/10, then its probably "true" and if like 10.000 people say its garbage then they are probably "wrong" - why? Because the majority is the part that actually pays (or some of them atleast). That functions the other way around too. Actually, it's not like this. The good thing about anime is that even if a million people say some show is bad, if it finds its audience of 10 000 people who like it - it is good enough. |
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| First, you have no right to call people who like other series better that they have 'little brains'. Second, MAL scores are not absolute and a lot of them are questionable. Third, it's mid-season and the score will 100% change at the end. |
flannan said: Comander-07 said: different people have different tastes. Its that easy, if a million people say a show is 8/10, then its probably "true" and if like 10.000 people say its garbage then they are probably "wrong" - why? Because the majority is the part that actually pays (or some of them atleast). That functions the other way around too. Actually, it's not like this. The good thing about anime is that even if a million people say some show is bad, if it finds its audience of 10 000 people who like it - it is good enough. Shows that attempt to sell to everybody at once end up bland and unappealing. It's the specialization that makes shows that are truly good (in the eyes of intended audience). Well, not really. Since 10.000 people that enjoy the show dont generate the money the producer needs. Thats the point. I also think that its good if a show is good for some people. But the producers dont really get something from that. Looking at the anime industry, the people that actually animate the frames are payed very very bad. Comander-07 said: What I think is pretty interesting, is that in japan some shows have very high sales but the international/mal community think its bad. Again, works in both ways. That can be assumed to be difference in culture. Or just big advertizing failure/success in japan. I doubt that this comes from advertizing, more people will watch it maybe, but shows dont get better from advertizing alone. Its still interesting to see the sales of some shows that arent special on mal. Comander-07 said: And here is the problem with this anime in particular: if you have watched the show, the mystery is solved. And if you know the fake, the rewatch value will be pretty low. Other anime have the ecchi/comedy part to counter that problem, but this is just to special to be a success. So the people have no reason to buy the anime. Actually, we LN readers have enjoyed the anime too. watching an adaption for the first time and watching the same thing again is different. calculated sales are pretty damn bad, that has a reason. I dont want to say that this is a bad anime, bad from a commercial perspective, they made some big mistakes. |
| "This emotion is mine alone. It is for Madoka alone." - Homura or how I would descripe Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica. |
| Because of its bait and switch nature. Going by the first episode and the OP, this was supposed to be a fantasy action show where 6 heroes battle the Demon Lord. So far, there's been very little battling and action. It's actually a mystery show, and people who wanted action left. It's a REALLY good mystery though. |
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| It started shit. I think I gave the first episode a 1. |
| Actually, despite the appalling BD/DVD sales, Rokka might be saved by none other than China and legal streaming. For RnY it's main pool of funding is now coming from its legal streaming in China alone, so you can expect to get another season considering how ambitious Passione is being with this project. I can give you a link if you guys want. |
HandsomeMan said: It started shit. I think I gave the first episode a 1. I disagree. Despite being the most misleading intro, Rokka's pilot episode was arguably the best objectively this season (discounting sequels): amazing visuals, good character introductions, unique world-building and ambitious choreography/directing. I think most anime critics would agree with me on that. |
HandsomeMan said: It started shit. I think I gave the first episode a 1. I could understand any score between 3-5 but 1? Really? |
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Tylaen said: HandsomeMan said: It started shit. I think I gave the first episode a 1. I could understand any score between 3-5 but 1? Really? lol well maybe not, I just remember the first few episodes were really boring and I only kept watching for the art and character design. Although when the -mystery- aspect of the show kicked in, it started to get really good. Currently rated 8 for me. |
lord23 said: this a really good mystery show, people must enjoy some really hollow and empty shows or have little brains not to understand a mystery show also no spoilers please am just asking a simple question no reason to spoil the whole show Because modern day anime fans have shit taste. Checked Twitter and so much people complaining about how "nothing is happening" and "it's too slow". And, more hilariously, how "it's cliched". Jagd84 said: Lots of great shows are ranked low and lots of dumb ones are ranked high, so MAL's score really doesn't mean much. Nothing unusual. Agreed. |
HandsomeMan said: lol well maybe not, I just remember the first few episodes were really boring and I only kept watching for the art and character design. Although when the -mystery- aspect of the show kicked in, it started to get really good. Currently rated 8 for me. That's quite a score leap, even going above Gangsta. Holy balls. I thought I'd never see the day. |
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Tylaen said: HandsomeMan said: lol well maybe not, I just remember the first few episodes were really boring and I only kept watching for the art and character design. Although when the -mystery- aspect of the show kicked in, it started to get really good. Currently rated 8 for me. That's quite a score leap, even going above Gangsta. Holy balls. I thought I'd never see the day. What do you mean you never thought you'd see the day? The score leap is not directly from 1 -> 8, it got better for me each episode since Fremy joined. Anyway no point in deciphering scores since they mean fuck all on this site and users have their own personal rating systems. |
Comander-07 said: different people have different tastes. Its that easy, if a million people say a show is 8/10, then its probably "true" and if like 10.000 people say its garbage then they are probably "wrong" - why? Because the majority is the part that actually pays (or some of them atleast). That functions the other way around too. What I think is pretty interesting, is that in japan some shows have very high sales but the international/mal community think its bad. Again, works in both ways. As long as the anime industry still works that way (and I really hope they get on the streaming hype train, so they can generate money from the international community too. Many animes dont get a second season or have bad quality because they dont generate enough money. If this happens, a localisation in the west is also pretty unlikely. ) this will always be a problem for the whole industry. And here is the problem with this anime in particular: if you have watched the show, the mystery is solved. And if you know the fake, the rewatch value will be pretty low. Other anime have the ecchi/comedy part to counter that problem, but this is just to special to be a success. So the people have no reason to buy the anime. I don't come here very often but your post I just had to reply to it. I don't know jack about expected sales and neither do I care (at least for this discussion) but I can tell you that it's not cause once you know the solution to a mystery it loses it's value. That is stupid, that same logic applies to once you know how x fight is gonna turn out in any given action show then it loses all its excitement and therefore any reason to re-watch/buy the anime. Even if I spoiled the Orient express for you, I highly doubt that would stop you from liking or disliking the book, what matters is everything before the reveal. How the clues are placed, the characters, the drama, the events that lead up to the big finally. Personally I don't think this will stay a mystery forever and eventually at least last ep or final chapter-ish in LN will have quite a lot of fighting even if brief, unless they all fail but then their deaths will probably have some action anyway. On topic now this is that I think. If this was a book, I say book cause I read books even if it's a LN, I'm sure it be great but it's a show and the action junkies have a hard time following conversation for long and the mystery might not even last that long as they do, as far as I can see, have to get to the demon lands and fight and kill stuff so I don't know how it's gonna work out as a show my fear is it tries to please both crowds and fails at both. By the end of it we will know if this is something that had potential but flunked or that it had potential and made it happen. I think books have more leeway first of all I never heard of an "action" book, I've read books with lots of cool fighting but they aren't sold to me as "action" books and so in between the fighting there can be plenty of traveling and just well story telling and I don't think people reading a book have tendency to complaint that they had to read 200-300-600 pages of "not fighting". Haven't for the Lord of the Rings, read plenty of other Tolkien stories, but I'll use it as an example I'm sure over a thousand pages are of descriptions of characters and them talking. |
starmaker032Aug 20, 2015 8:34 PM
Ugoki said: lord23 said: this a really good mystery show, people must enjoy some really hollow and empty shows or have little brains not to understand a mystery show also no spoilers please am just asking a simple question no reason to spoil the whole show Because modern day anime fans have shit taste. Checked Twitter and so much people complaining about how "nothing is happening" and "it's too slow". And, more hilariously, how "it's cliched". People have no patience to let a good a show rippen, I'm not up for calling people dumb, but most people just want to "chill and turn off their brains" so when is mostly chatting and they have to process it and that is all they are given for most people I don't blame them if they think it is boring. Spectations vs reality. Like most have said, people expected this to be action packed. |
starmaker032Aug 21, 2015 2:42 AM
starmaker032 said: Comander-07 said: different people have different tastes. Its that easy, if a million people say a show is 8/10, then its probably "true" and if like 10.000 people say its garbage then they are probably "wrong" - why? Because the majority is the part that actually pays (or some of them atleast). That functions the other way around too. What I think is pretty interesting, is that in japan some shows have very high sales but the international/mal community think its bad. Again, works in both ways. As long as the anime industry still works that way (and I really hope they get on the streaming hype train, so they can generate money from the international community too. Many animes dont get a second season or have bad quality because they dont generate enough money. If this happens, a localisation in the west is also pretty unlikely. ) this will always be a problem for the whole industry. And here is the problem with this anime in particular: if you have watched the show, the mystery is solved. And if you know the fake, the rewatch value will be pretty low. Other anime have the ecchi/comedy part to counter that problem, but this is just to special to be a success. So the people have no reason to buy the anime. I don't come here very often but your post I just had to reply to it. I don't know jack about expected sales and neither do I care (at least for this discussion) but I can tell you that it's not cause once you know the solution to a mystery it loses it's value. That is stupid, that same logic applies to once you know how x fight is gonna turn out in any given action show then it loses all its excitement and therefore any reason to re-watch/buy the anime. Even if I spoiled the Orient express for you, I highly doubt that would stop you from liking or disliking the book, what matters is everything before the reveal. How the clues are placed, the characters, the drama, the events that lead up to the big finally. Personally I don't think this will stay a mystery forever and eventually at least last ep or final chapter-ish in LN will have quite a lot of fighting even if brief, unless they all fail but then their deaths will probably have some action anyway. On topic now this is that I think. If this was a book, I say book cause I read books even if it's a LN, I'm sure it be great but it's a show and the action junkies have a hard time following conversation for long and the mystery might not even last that long as they do, as far as I can see, have to get to the demon lands and fight and kill stuff so I don't know how it's gonna work out as a show my fear is it tries to please both crowds and fails at both. By the end of it we will know if this is something that had potential but flunked or that it had potential and made it happen. I think books have more leeway first of all I never heard of an "action" book, I've read books with lots of cool fighting but they aren't sold to me as "action" books and so in between the fighting there can be plenty of traveling and just well story telling and I don't think people reading a book have tendency to complaint that they had to read 200-300-600 pages of "not fighting". Haven't for the Lord of the Rings, read plenty of other Tolkien stories, but I'll use it as an example I'm sure over a thousand pages are of descriptions of characters and them talking. Exactly. Books aren't exactly the ideal media for action. starmaker032 said: Ugoki said: Because modern day anime fans have shit taste. Checked Twitter and so much people complaining about how "nothing is happening" and "it's too slow". And, more hilariously, how "it's cliched". People have no patience to let a good a show rippen, I'm not up for calling people, but most people just want to "chill and turn off their brains" so when is mostly chatting and they have to process it and that is all they are given for most people I don't blame them if they think it is boring. Spectations vs reality. Like most have said, people expected this to be action packed. Yeah, they prefer flashy things like crude humor and explosions. |
HaXXspetten said: flannan said: That logic is pretty terrible. There are always *some people* who like or dislike literally any anime ever. If just a minority liking it is enough to be considered good... then every anime is good. Like all of themActually, it's not like this. The good thing about anime is that even if a million people say some show is bad, if it finds its audience of 10 000 people who like it - it is good enough. 1) 10 000 people is enough. 10 people might be too little, but those 10 000 people do need their entertainment. 2) yes, the majority of anime is indeed good. Look at the scores on MAL - they are usually above 5. |
| It's because this is unique; this is the first of a kind. This is the first story that's adventure and action mixed with heavy mystery. Normally, people expect mystery to be in real world, dark, with detectives, cases, and either the mc is the detective or the culprit. But when this anime started, obviously people this it's all adventure and action, but then suddenly mystery comes, and HEAVY mystery with nearly non-existent actions. So of course, those who hasn't gotten used to this started disliking this anime. It's just like School Days. When it started, people thought it's just an ordinary mc chasing after the best girl in the school and two girls fighting for one boy. Cliche, common, but people are used to it. Then, suddenly, out of nowhere, the mc began dating two girls at once and sleeping with both of them, getting one of them pregnant, then he even went as far as to allow any girls to fuck with him. He became obsessed with sex. Of course, the sudden change that lasted for the entire anime until the last episode caused School Days to lose a LOT of fans. Girls hate the mc and guys think he's crazy. This is the first romance anime that portrays a mc like that, so of course people dislike it (especially if the mc's acting like that for 12 episodes!!) It's only until the final episode when the girls finally lose it and murdered the mc out of hatred (which brought back many fans and gained more fans). So don't worry, wait till the final episode of Rokka is released. You'll see. |
| It had a pretty slow start and nothing actually interesting happened yet, like we knew about the 7th from summary, so it wasn't surprising at all and we waited for this to happen for more episodes than was expected at first. And I can understand if some people find MC annoying. Also I think the score is fair enough. |
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| SPOILER: Adlet is the strongest man in the world. Seriously. |
tenaugust said: It had a pretty slow start and nothing actually interesting happened yet, like we knew about the 7th from summary, so it wasn't surprising at all and we waited for this to happen for more episodes than was expected at first. And I can understand if some people find MC annoying. Also I think the score is fair enough. But Adlet really outdoes himself in the light novels, I hope the anime manages to give this vibe. I'm certain that if people saw Adlet in action they think higher of him. He's not a beast, but he is a badass. |
Moechintai4 said: But Adlet really outdoes himself in the light novels, I hope the anime manages to give this vibe. I'm certain that if people saw Adlet in action they think higher of him. He's not a beast, but he is a badass. Personally I think that Adlet is interesting and likable character but he could stop saying the same thing all over again already. All the charm disappeared after he repeated himself so much. We'll see if he manages to live up to his own words but the impression of him is kind of spoiled now. |
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| Because it doesn't deserve a higher score. |
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tenaugust said: Personally I think that Adlet is interesting and likable character but he could stop saying the same thing all over again already. I think you're out of luck, if you want his self-convincing words to cease. ReaperCreeper said: Because it doesn't deserve a higher score. Such a tease. |
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Jagd84 said: Lots of great shows are ranked low and lots of dumb ones are ranked high, so MAL's score really doesn't mean much. Nothing unusual. |
Zefyris said: There''s no need to insult those who don't like, come on now... That kind of show is actually niche. You need to like detective story and like fantasy setting. + You need to be fine with average animation + you need to be fine with lots of dialogue and little action and no ecchi/comedy either . That's very niche for an anime, especially the last part. But with the fantasy setting, lots of peoples start watching thinking "action anime". We have more than 50k watchers in MAL watching it right now. There's definitely a lot in those 50k who don't like that type of story. If it wasn't for that, RnY could actually have a smaller poll of watchers but a higher score. ->The high number of peoples who wrongly thought it was action and started watching it is currently killing the rating. I was expecting it to be a shitty fantasy action series with shitty CGI. Instead I get an awesome fantasy mystery series! Still a 7 to me though. |
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lord23 said: this a really good mystery show, people must enjoy some really hollow and empty shows or have little brains not to understand a mystery show also no spoilers please am just asking a simple question no reason to spoil the whole show Sales/presentation/marketing error. They presented the show as a simple action fantasy... It isn't simple and probably isn't much of action ... at least it is still technically fantasy, otherwise they wouldn't get even a single thing right. Virtually no one who didn't read the book know what this is like. Otherwise, it is a very good mystery fantasy series assumed with some more depth and character development along with way, and perhaps some little more action during season 2. Which is shame as they would stuck at season 1. |
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| People are dumb |
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beast_regards said: Sales/presentation/marketing error.. It wasn't a marketing error, else we wouldn't have that spoilerific synopsis as an eye catcher. |
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| I personally think the anime is quite boring, even the LN wasn't that interesting to me. I guess everyone has different tastes. |
| よろしく！ |
| The only thing bad about this is anime is being 12 episodes only. It should be 24 episodes if not more. |
shadow_black said: I personally think the anime is quite boring, even the LN wasn't that interesting to me. I guess everyone has different tastes. That's why. Not everyone likes mystery, maybe someone was expecting more action and a different direction. Someone finds the long-dialouges boring, ecc.... |
| Because the animu community's taste is shit. |
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