Psycho-Pass Episode 21 Discussion

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The spoiler got it right again. But many fans have correctly guessed who would bite the dust this time. Oh well.

symbvMar 14, 2013 9:31 AM

So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.

Mar 14, 2013 9:29 AM

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Masaoka noooooo :( Great episode, can't wait for the finale.

Mar 14, 2013 9:34 AM

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wow i thought gino is the next but it was clear that the father cant watch his son die where touching hero son Moment ~~ cant wait for the last ep it surly kicks ASS

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Mar 14, 2013 9:39 AM

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DAT EPISODE! I can't even write my thoughts down.
Fantastic. For a second, i wanted Maki's @ss captured there xD.

5/5

I cannot imagine the next episode.

Mar 14, 2013 10:00 AM

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I just hope Akane doesn't get in the way of our epic fight between the two next episode. I really felt for Masaoka's death.

Mar 14, 2013 10:20 AM

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I am waiting for the flush of posts blaming Gino for not pulling himself out of the debris earlier (which he did only too late later) but just shouting at Masaoka to hold on to Makishima.

So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.

Mar 14, 2013 10:29 AM

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Why wasn't Kagaris death shown like this?

Heh the first thing I guessed in this show, it was obvious that character like Masaoka would die protecting his beloved son

I became to like Akane in last eps,

1 whole week again? no kidding?

Mar 14, 2013 10:32 AM

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Really good episode. Sad to see the old man die, but he did it to save his son.

Wonder how many will be left alive at the end of the last episode? Can all but be certain when Akane goes to shoot Kogami with paralyzer mode, it will actually be decomposer mode. My guess is that most if not all of them besides Akane will be dead and in the end she will volunteer to get her brain scooped out and into Sybil.

Mar 14, 2013 10:33 AM

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-michira- said:
Why wasn't Kagaris death shown like this?

You can't expect a lump of flesh remnant left by the Decomposer to talk like Masaoka here, can you?

So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.

Mar 14, 2013 10:36 AM

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I admit I wasn't expecting to hear Makishima's crazed/villainous laughter an whole trap-setting, t'was a little out of character imho.

RIP Masaoka, who's next I wonder? Gino or Yayoi?

Mar 14, 2013 10:38 AM

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Poor, poor Ginoza and Tomomi.
Their relationship was strained, but I think, at least they understood each other a little finally at the last.

Mar 14, 2013 10:42 AM

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shinezu said:
RIP Masaoka, who's next I wonder? Gino or Yayoi?

Given that Gino was warned about his deteriorating psycho profile earlier, I would say from writer's point of view, he may want to show the consequence, as judged by Sybil system, for those who do not take sufficient precaution and care about his psycho profile, which means he may just survive but get sent to some asylum or become the enforcer. By this vein, Yayoi may be more at risk of being eliminated, despite Gino being physically closer to Makishima and he is the injured one.

So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.

Mar 14, 2013 10:49 AM

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symbv said:

shinezu said:
RIP Masaoka, who's next I wonder? Gino or Yayoi?

Given that Gino was warned about his deteriorating psycho profile earlier, I would say from writer's point of view, he may want to show the consequence, as judged by Sybil system, for those who do not take sufficient precaution and care about his psycho profile, which means he may just survive but get sent to some asylum or become the enforcer. By this vein, Yayoi may be more at risk of being eliminated, despite Gino being physically closer to Makishima and he is the injured one.

nah I give 99.9% that he'll survive until the end

Mar 14, 2013 10:56 AM

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symbv said:

-michira- said:
Why wasn't Kagaris death shown like this?

You can't expect a lump of flesh remnant left by the Decomposer to talk like Masaoka here, can you?

I mean it could be a little more hearttouching or something? He was killed and no one felt sorry or sad about it, you'll probably say that it's because no one knows yet (beside Akane) but all I want to say that he died in solitude

Mar 14, 2013 10:56 AM

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Masaoka should've thrown the bomb to Makishima.

Well I believe that's what he was aiming to do (in addition to keeping it away from his son)

Dammit, loved that ol' guy. I thought that was very touching, tho. I love how he was like 'am your dad before I'm a detective' kinda line.....and seeing Gino truly emotional and for the first time (probably in LONG time) referring to him as 'Dad'. Just seeing Ko's expression when he got there too was all too much (especially seeing that complete look of shock and sorrow in Gino's face as he looks at Ko).

You know Ko had that look like 'oh mofo, you (Makishima) gots to DIE NOW' (I always thought Ko looked at Masoka as father figure, too)

Dammit that ep went by too incredibly FAST.

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-michira- said:
nah I give 99.9% that he'll survive until the end

So I guess we are in agreement then (that Gino will survive)? I wonder if there is also some trap that Makishima set in the control room, otherwise I am not sure how Yayoi will get killed.

As for the others, even though the best result (for Akane) is Makishima is captured live and Kougami lives. Most likely this will not be what will happen. Instead most likely scenario is both will be dead when the credit rolls. The only thing not sure is in what state Akane will be by the end. Part of the system?

So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.

Mar 14, 2013 10:57 AM

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Yayoi won't die, it would have no emotional impact whatsoever.

Mar 14, 2013 11:20 AM

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Very powerful episode, I came in ready knowing that another Enforcer was gonna go down. But the sadness, that father-son relationship. I have a feeling Ginoza will have a prosthetic arm like his father, since he ripped it out from the box. Goodness, I think I'll bring a tissue box next week Thursday just in case something even sadder happens ^^ haha.

Mar 14, 2013 11:26 AM

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Bunns said:
Yayoi won't die, it would have no emotional impact whatsoever.

This. In addition, it's already been pointed out that Makishima nor Ko are nowhere near the control room at this point. That's why Akane left in such a haste, he was too busy setting up the trap against Gino and Masoka. So there is no 'trap' in the control room b/c he actually didn't go there first.

symbv said:

As for the others, even though the best result (for Akane) is Makishima is captured live and Kougami lives. Most likely this will not be what will happen. Instead most likely scenario is both will be dead when the credit rolls. The only thing not sure is in what state Akane will be by the end. Part of the system?

Yeah, you kinda feel like this will be what ends up happening because there's no way after Makashima did what he did to Gino and Masoka that he's even gonna not consider fucking him up extra beatdown style now, lol. Which we all know will probably piss Sybil off and make it change its 'mind(s)' on using non-lethal force.

The only thing wonder is if Akane will really 'follow' system to the 'very end' or if she'll make the 'ultimate sacrifice' save Ko? I've been wondering up until this whole point if Akane--should Ko kill Makishima (which I'm thinking is highly likely)--has determined a 'backup' plan (away to still spare Ko's life should he still kill Makashima)? Will she offer herself up to 'da system' in exchange for Makishima (probable death) and to ensure Ko's life is spared?

I've been contemplating this for a couple of weeks now; as it seems to me all the little hints and discussions of Akane's character and her similar asymptomatic traits would lead to something of an out come like this, I would think....

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Mar 14, 2013 11:32 AM

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Voids said:
Very powerful episode, I came in ready knowing that another Enforcer was gonna go down. But the sadness, that father-son relationship. I have a feeling Ginoza will have a prosthetic arm like his father, since he ripped it out from the box. Goodness, I think I'll bring a tissue box next week Thursday just in case something even sadder happens ^^ haha.

You know, I was instantly thinking the same thing (especially about the whole Gino getting a prosthetic arm thing....I think that seems so poignantly fitting), lol. But on the real, yeah the setup for this ep was sadly--yet powerfully done. I'm still sad/mad to see Masoka die, but he went out like a 'G' and father protecting his boy.

Mar 14, 2013 11:36 AM

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Rest in peace old man

Mar 14, 2013 11:37 AM

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MsDiva said:

The only thing wonder is if Akane will really 'follow' system to the 'very end' or if she'll make the 'ultimate sacrifice' save Ko? I've been wondering up until this whole point if Akane--should Ko kill Makishima (which I'm thinking is highly likely)--has determined a 'backup' plan (away to still spare Ko's life should he still kill Makashima)? Will she offer herself up to 'da system' in exchange for Makishima (probable death) and to ensure Ko's life is spared?

Given Urobuchi's tendency to give bittersweet ending that is all about sacrifices, and given Akane's character, I think one likely ending is Makishima dead, Kougami about to be killed by the system (as the deal is voided since Makishima is dead) and Akane got Kougami's life spared by volunteering to join the system. Just like what you said above, though at this moment I still think Kougami and Makishima both dead being more likely. Anyway I guess we all agree that probably 1) Makishima will be dead 2) Akane will live, but under what state is another question.

Voids said:
I have a feeling Ginoza will have a prosthetic arm like his father, since he ripped it out from the box.

Not only that, given his deteriorated state of psycho-pass, he may just end up becoming an Enforcer as well, again like his father.

So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.

Mar 14, 2013 11:44 AM

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symbv said:

MsDiva said:

The only thing wonder is if Akane will really 'follow' system to the 'very end' or if she'll make the 'ultimate sacrifice' save Ko? I've been wondering up until this whole point if Akane--should Ko kill Makishima (which I'm thinking is highly likely)--has determined a 'backup' plan (away to still spare Ko's life should he still kill Makashima)? Will she offer herself up to 'da system' in exchange for Makishima (probable death) and to ensure Ko's life is spared?

Given Urobuchi's tendency to give bittersweet ending that is all about sacrifices, and given Akane's character, I think one likely ending is Makishima dead, Kougami about to be killed by the system (as the deal is voided since Makishima is dead) and Akane got Kougami's life spared by volunteering to join the system. Just like what you said above, though at this moment I still think Kougami and Makishima both dead being more likely. Anyway I guess we all agree that probably 1) Makishima will be dead 2) Akane will live, but under what state is another question.

I kind of agree
Akane - will survive
Makishima - will be killed
Kougami - will be on verge of death or will have a bad injury (like lost hand or something)
Gino - alive, without his left hand, in depression
Yayoi - just alive, no more no less
Sybil System - destroyed

Mar 14, 2013 11:49 AM

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^ Hmm... I would bet that Sybil system will NOT be destroyed but will stay on. This fits Urobuchi's thinking that some necessary evil will always exist. It may get into a better form with Akane's joining though, but that's a separate question.

So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.

Mar 14, 2013 11:50 AM

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MsDiva said:

You know, I was instantly thinking the same thing (especially about the whole Gino getting a prosthetic arm thing....I think that seems so poignantly fitting), lol. But on the real, yeah the setup for this ep was sadly--yet powerfully done. I'm still sad/mad to see Masoka die, but he went out like a 'G' and father protecting his boy.

Me too, sort of ironic but sad at the same time. He really did go out like a boss, protecting his own son at the end. Tbh, shed a few manly tears..

symbv said:
Not only that, given his deteriorated state of psycho-pass, he may just end up becoming an Enforcer as well, again like his father.

That is true, "Like father, like son." Literally.

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symbv said:

MsDiva said:

The only thing wonder is if Akane will really 'follow' system to the 'very end' or if she'll make the 'ultimate sacrifice' save Ko? I've been wondering up until this whole point if Akane--should Ko kill Makishima (which I'm thinking is highly likely)--has determined a 'backup' plan (away to still spare Ko's life should he still kill Makashima)? Will she offer herself up to 'da system' in exchange for Makishima (probable death) and to ensure Ko's life is spared?

Given Urobuchi's tendency to give bittersweet ending that is all about sacrifices, and given Akane's character, I think one likely ending is Makishima dead, Kougami about to be killed by the system (as the deal is voided since Makishima is dead) and Akane got Kougami's life spared by volunteering to join the system. Just like what you said above, though at this moment I still think Kougami and Makishima both dead being more likely. Anyway I guess we all agree that probably 1) Makishima will be dead 2) Akane will live, but under what state is another question.

Voids said:
I have a feeling Ginoza will have a prosthetic arm like his father, since he ripped it out from the box.

Not only that, given his deteriorated state of psycho-pass, he may just end up becoming an Enforcer as well, again like his father.

Interesting point you brought up about Gino, too--I was thinking that could be a possibility too. Like you stated, it's already been lead up to this point that his PP state has been steadily becoming unstable. It wouldn't surely surprise me if this just tipped him right over the edge to 'Enforcer' side.

Also, I'm wondering if before he gets killed--if Makashima is going to expose to Ko what the Sybil system really is (maybe while they're fighting and all--shooting some dialogue back and forth)? After all, Ko was already suspicious as to why the 'Chief' seemed so intent on keeping Makashima alive. I'd actually love for Makashima to bust out the truth, lol.

I think that'll make whatever the final dynamics of the last ep--say if it's a 'final' meeting w/ Ko and Akane--that more powerful and interesting.

Mar 14, 2013 12:02 PM

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I wonder if there'll be even a little romance in last ep

Mar 14, 2013 12:06 PM

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-michira- said:
I wonder if there'll be even a little romance in last ep

I'd be lying if didn't say I wanted a tiny bit of that to be slipped in there, lol. I think it would really tie the ED song together so nicely if they sprinkled it in.....

Mar 14, 2013 12:12 PM

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.... GAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH~

I was hardly putting up with the anime cause I liked the old guy. He was the only one left I liked in there. The other one was Kagari who was my favorite and... he died. Just like that. His death didn't help in any way the story and he was even framed as a criminal who run away...

So now, they decide to kill the old guy who proly has a decent fandom... If he wasn't the only decent alive character in the show nowadays, I'd say it was sad but I find this sooo bad. I could only see it as drama effect rather than a touching scene.

So now everything that I honestly don't care about is alive... I hope for an end that EVERYONE dies. And by "Idc about" I mean the characters are so indefferent to me. They are made from bad to worse so honestly they're better off dead!

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MsDiva said:

-michira- said:
I wonder if there'll be even a little romance in last ep

I'd be lying if didn't say I wanted a tiny bit of that to be slipped in there, lol. I think it would really tie the ED song together so nicely if they sprinkled it in.....

BTW

Mar 14, 2013 12:14 PM

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This has all lead up to an exciting finally now too see exactly ho it pans out ,and on a side note being trapped under that box hadda hurt.

Mar 14, 2013 12:17 PM

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-michira- said:
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How the heck would MAL know??? Or the manga really has it?

So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.

Mar 14, 2013 12:20 PM

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symbv said:

-michira- said:
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How the heck would MAL know??? Or the manga really has it?

dunno but the fact that it's written there gives hope at least. (it's not in anime info though :|)

Mar 14, 2013 12:24 PM

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Well shit, intense episode it was. RIP Tomomi.

Mar 14, 2013 12:28 PM

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First Shuusei and now Masaoka. ;___; I cried with Gino.

This was a great episode, and really touching. I like Akane's confidence. She can do it. She'll stop it somehow, I am confident that Kogami will not die.

I'm worried about Gino though. I'm afraid his crime coefficient will go up because of this. There's a possibility nothing will happen though, because Masaoka didn't want him to lead the life of a latent criminal.

As for the endgame, I agree with the previous posters. Makishima will probably die, and Akane will probably stay alive; though in what condition, idk. Kogami will also probably be alive.

Honestly though, I think the Sybil System WILL cease to exist. Because otherwise, it wouldn't be remotely a happy ending; knowing that the cruel system still exists. Whether or not its Urobuchi writing this, there should still be some happiness in the ending. Bittersweet endings are his things, so for that reason, I doubt the Sybil System will continue to exist.

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Ughh Masaoka-san!!!

I mean we all knew he was going to be one of the first ones to die but it still hit me hard.
I even felt emotions for Gino I didn't know I could ever feel for him.

These types of series is where I always fear watching the last episode.

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I mean it could be a little more hearttouching or something? He was killed and no one felt sorry or sad about it

I felt sorry and sad for Kagari's death, if that makes you feel any better.

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parfaited said:

-michira- said:
I mean it could be a little more hearttouching or something? He was killed and no one felt sorry or sad about it

I felt sorry and sad for Kagari's death, if that makes you feel any better.

Ahahah thanks :DDD i meant characters though

Mar 14, 2013 12:51 PM

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-michira- said:

symbv said:

-michira- said:
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How the heck would MAL know??? Or the manga really has it?

dunno but the fact that it's written there gives hope at least. (it's not in anime info though :|)

LOL...well you know, it does seem to have its innuendo moments--at least as far I can tell w/ Akane, in particular. I mean, if you think about, I think a lot of her actions definitely go well and beyond what she would have to do. Also, still can't shake her reaction to the letter he wrote her.

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