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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- I find the use of the black and white colors for the storytelling this episode used pretty well. It illustrates a story from the past. Being a selfless man, of course Joe/Nomad would take his promise for the Chief. This episode really had a sad feel, outside of the boxing ring and shows how fragile humans are. |
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| NGL, the story sequences in full monochrome is a reminder of the times when Joe had his cheer team with Nanbu, Aragaki, Sachio and other runaway kids. The Team Nowhere gym is gone for good, and history is best served with the raw emotions intact...in the past. Now we get to see the full picture of the post events after Season 1, and the sad ride from fame to retribution. To see Sachio all grown up and beat the living shit outta Joe, even with tears streaming down his face, it's revenge served cold while resting alongside Nanbu in his final days, at the same time that Joe was preparing his ring match against Liu. From being the idol that Sachio and the other kids idolized to being the dropout on the side, Joe has clearly lost all respect from empty promises made. But to see Sachio following the ways of Joe, it's heart-breaking to see such a strong relationship crumble just because of a match between life and death. No wonder Joe is now called the Nomad: the one who wanders around aimlessly. He needs a new target for himself. |
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| It's sad to see the Gym nowhere like that and even sadder to see all that has happened till now. Everyone has grown up after five years. Some were taken by the orphanage and some are going on their own paths. I can't blame Joe either because he never wanted Nanbu to die, he just wanted to help him. Then, again Sachio's point was right as well. There was no knowledge of when Nanbu would have died, so Joe could've at least visited him every now and then. That was a well-organized backstory. It was just sad to see all this. It would be interesting to see where Joe will go from here on out. What's more, he has to achieve? Or can he get back together with everyone after everything that has happened in their life? |
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| Now we all know why the children are angry with Joe, coz in Nambu's final moments, Joe was fighting in a Megalobox match. And somehow, even though he wanted money for Nambu's treatment, he sort of "abandoned" him just for the sake of the match. If you have seen the bollywood film "Sultan" (I can't believe I'm comparing an anime to a cringy Selmon starrer Bollywood film myself), it's exactly like how the main character, who's a popular wrestler apparently, abandoned his wife and his unborn child for "World Championship", he did win it, but lost in a way that his son faced several complications during his birth and ultimately succumbed due to lack of blood (well, the main character's blood group was O negative, and so was his son's, and we all know how rare that blood group is). Anyway, forgive me for a cringy comparison, I just remembered that shit, and I'm having a headache now. |
| यदा यदा हि धर्मस्य ग्लानिर्भवति भारत। अभ्युत्थानमधर्मस्य तदात्मानं सृजाम्यहम् ॥४-७॥ परित्राणाय साधूनां विनाशाय च दुष्कृताम् । धर्मसंस्थापनार्थाय सम्भवामि युगे युगे ॥४-८॥ |
| EP1 Homeless Joe EP2 Drugless Joe EP3 Beardless Joe EP4 Chiefless Joe EP5 Teamless Joe I feel so bad for Joe |
| Maybe Joe was at fault for not being by nanbu’s side, but he was still fighting to try and save him, so it’s kinda sad to see the hostility he’s met with. Really dig the teenage sachio design. |
| What an episode! I love the flashbacks |
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| This show continues to exceed my expectations. |
| *Mourning the disappointment of The Promised Neverland season 2.* |
| And another heavy hitter episode. |
One Piece episode 914 & 915 & 1027 were a mistake and 957 brought the salvation - FMmatron |
| Bravo. So well done. |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
| This whole season has been slightly corny with the drama being a bit forced but at least there's a story there unlike the previous season, which felt a lot more bland story-wise. It's not been bad so far. Decent episode here and it was good getting more context about what Joe was doing before Nanbu passed away, and that whole mess really did leave a ton of friction in general between him and Sachio jeez. |
FMmatron said: Another magnificent one for me so far solid 9/10 for sure.And another heavy hitter episode. |
| So Joe returns home only to find the Team Nowhere gym washed away along with the hopes and dreams of the past. After five years all the little orphans have grown up including Sachio have moved on and went on their separate paths. We finally get a chance to see what happened before the flood came in. It appears that Joe and Sachio had a falling out on how to deal with Nanbu who didn't have a lot of time left. Joe thought that returning to the ring and winning the prize money would give Nanbu a couple years to live while Sachio wanted to stay by Nanbu's side so he can spend time with his family in his final days. Both Joe and Sachio had the right intentions but the difference is that Joe spent most of his time training instead of seeing Nanbu. I guess that Joe didn't want to see Nanbu in that state and wanted to do something about it. The rift between Joe and Sachio broke Team Nowhere for good. The sad part is that Saicho is walking in Joe's footsteps by doing underground fights and he not going to last long in the ring. |
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| what can joe even do in this situation to get everyone to forgive him? is he gonna rebuild gym nowhere? it looks like he might become sachios trainer but i want him to get back in the ring himself this is a difficult situation to pull off i hope it goes smoothly |
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| Everyone from Team Nowhere should grow some conscience. And get that Joe was trying to save the pillar of his life. Joe seen a hope and was in negation about Nambu close death. If was Joe doing nothing and not visiting, okay to get angry, but was Joe doing his best, even for an empty hope. This my opinion for now. Lets see next episode. |
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| When the kid thinks more like an adult than the actual adult. Such sad episode. :( I really like the design of teenage Sachio. 5/5 |
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| For now I'd say that Joe's not at fault. Nanbu wanted Joe to fight Yuri's disciple however Joe didn't have any intention to return to the ring, but then Sachio went to Joe and asked him if it really was okay to let the old man die like that...so obviously Joe changed his mind, accepted the invitation to the exhibition match and went in full training mode in preparation for the fight. I know that Sachio and the rest are kids, but what the hell were they expecting Joe to do? |
| Joe was "running away" from it while Sachio wanted them to be together in Nanbu's last moments. That's a really though decision from Joe, which I'd never want to make. |
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Avvenirista said: For now I'd say that Joe's not at fault. Nanbu wanted Joe to fight Yuri's disciple however Joe didn't have any intention to return to the ring, but then Sachio went to Joe and asked him if it really was okay to let the old man die like that...so obviously Joe changed his mind, accepted the invitation to the exhibition match and went in full training mode in preparation for the fight. I know that Sachio and the rest are kids, but what the hell were they expecting Joe to do? I totally agree, seems most people are ready to throw Joe under the bus. But I can't really say what he did was reason enough to hate him for. Yeah sure, he didn't visit and instead tried to extend Nambu's life (and failed). But it's not like it was any less harder for him than it was for the rest. The part that really annoys me though, was in an earlier episode when Saicho said that it was Joe's fault he died. Like how? He was already dying. seems way too overdramatized for me to be honest. |
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| This is getting so good, we finally got more insight into the past and it seems like Joe really fucked up running away from everything. He ran from Nanbu thinking he could pull off one last miracle and it seems he ran away from the responsibility of the kids. I can't blame him though, he is doing every thing he can to give Nambu more life but it seems that everyone but Joe thought that was a good idea. I assume he never got to meet with Nambu and he died during practice or the match which left everyone fucked up. We are so close to figuring out why everything went wrong and it is all so interesting. I wonder if Joe will be able to reconcile with everyone, including himself (his Nanbu ghost isn't healthy I think). This is gonna be great I feel. |
Stuffed_goatMay 2, 2021 5:58 PM
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todorooo said: EP1 Homeless Joe EP2 Drugless Joe EP3 Beardless Joe EP4 Chiefless Joe EP5 Teamless Joe I feel so bad for Joe This made me laugh so much, damn, Joe definitively isn´t a lucky guy. Outside of that, now we know where everything went down, and the scene of Genbu dying will probably be shown next episode. Now, what will Joe do? I think rebuilding the gym wouldn´t make anything better, and it will end up being just a self-repair kind of redemption. This is all very interesting, and I think the pacing is great, but I do wonder how many fights will Joe do this season. I think with one or two would be enough. As I said before: if the first season was the body, this one is the soul. |
| This was really hard to watch, and I agree that no one's really at fault here, but the fact that everyone was so harsh on Joe saddens me even more. Everyone handles anticipatory grief differently, and it's a very difficult time for people who are close to the person who is dying. I do agree that Joe should've at the very least visited Nanbu in the hospital every few days or at least once a week, but I don't fault him for "running away" and having "false" hope. I tried to not think about it when my sister was sick, and almost everyone close to her also just kept hoping that she'll get better. That's why one of her best friends couldn't even find time to come visit her. Ideally we'd all like to be like the children, but it's just not possible. And I think it has to do with being children that they can just think about visiting Nanbu, or idk how to explain it. For example, my sister was very close to our grandmother when we were young. She cried the most when our grandmother passed away, but she (and all of us children) were always happy to visit our grandmother. We were all sad to see her being sick, but I think it was also easier for us to see her sick than it was for the adults. But anyways, I just think it's unfair for the others to act the way they do towards him, when Joe has already beaten himself up (figuratively) more than anyone else. Yes he did abandon everyone, but they also blamed him for everything, causing him a lot of regret and leading him to be self-destructive. I feel like they all just wanted to blame somebody :( |
| Another fantastic episode! Also nice to see the old soundtracks again since we back in the city, though I did love the Hispanic atmosphere the past 4 episodes, so I am going to miss that. Damn, Sachio was gonna straight up whack Joe's head. We finally know now what caused the friction between them. Honestly, I don't blame anyone, but I am on Sachio's side here, I know Joe's just doing what he can, but I think being there for Nanbu would have been the best option. I wonder how Joe will be able to gain their trust again. Really looking forward to the next episode. |
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| That episode was just really hard to watch. Everyone is giving Joe such a hard time. Comparing the contrast to the previous episode, there's just no love. Roll on next weeks episode where i hope something gives way. |
| I think their hate goes more of joe abandoned them after nambu died and not so much for his dead. It seems joe wasn't there when the flood came and the gym was destroyed and the kids were almost caught in it and take to the orphanage, that I do blame joe. |
| I truly genuinely hate how good this season is. It is simultaneously incredibly well written and executed while also being the kind of sequel I hate the most. The depressing, mean spirited kind that rips away the hard earned happiness Joe fought for in season 1. |
| Probably one of the most accurate depictions of cancer I've seen in a show. Lost my grandma to it around 3 or 4 years ago now and I couldn't help myself from crying over a lot of the scenes this episode. It was a tough watch but I commend TMS for doing a great job. |
| That's it? The episode on its own is fine. This is a harsh situation conveyed well enough, but with the whole series being about Joe's torment it's lame if he's not actually at fault. Well, he's certainly at fault for abandoning the kids for 5 years over something like this, but that's not what he was agonizing over. |
| So, Joe basically went against Nanbu's wishes of a peaceful death and decided to fight one more time in order to win enough money to pay an expensive medical treatment with the hopes it could, despite being practically impossible, save his ex-coach's life. Well, talk about wishful thinking but guess I can't blame Joe in the end since to him and the kids, Nanbu was an irreplaceable piece in their lives. We haven't seen Nanbu's last moments as well as what happened afterwards yet but for now, I would say Sachio is taking his hatred towards Joe way too far. He himself wondered if it was okay to let Nanbu die just like that and once Joe started training to achieve a miracle, he went back on his word and started questioning Joe's actions. I mean, I know Sachio was and still is a bratty kid but still. Him accusing Joe of using his training as excuse to avoid seeing Nanbu's deteriorated state may be quite accurate tho. |
| Great backstory and explanations on what happened, so weird to see adult Sachio now! But I think that they're blaming Joe too much for what happened, I understand that Joe did a mistake but he's not the only one to blame, I think that his reaction is really human and understandable, they should forget him for what he did and understand that the situation was really hard for everyone |
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| so this is more on past flashback...pretty harsh for joe...just gets worse and worst 4/5. |
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| It was nice to see some of the old team members back. Really solid episode overall, coping with death it's really hard and people could even blame it on others, such as Sachio blaming Joe when no one really is at fault. Heartbreaking episode, and very well executed with the different colors used to portray the flashbacks. |
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axel360 said: This show continues to exceed my expectations. It is so bloody well directed. |
RobertoHanma said: Dukino said: That episode absolutely broke my heart. Well now we have full context to why Joe wasn't with Sachio and the kids at the beginning of this new season. Nanbu seemingly had cancer, since they talked about it going to his lymph nodes, which lead to his death. Joe couldn't accept this and threw himself into training as a distraction. Causing this rift with him and Sachio. The scene with Sachio ambushing Joe in the ruins of their old gym got really brutal. Sachio laid the smack on Joe, totally beat his ass. Joe obviously held back and feels enormous guilt after abandoning the kids but Sachio still got some good shots in. Seeing the whole backstory play out was so sad. Joe not being able to face losing someone so close to him causing even more pain to the rest of their family. I hope things can be healed but idk, things are really bad for everyone. I do not think it is Cancer, otherwise it would not make sense to blame him for Nanbu's death, they would have to be reminding him that he did not attend the day of his death.Something had to happen to take the blame for his death, because even Aragaki wanted to beat him up on his arrival, it is not just childish anger. It will be that he ran out on them. |
| Man, this is just pure perfection what the hell. If the quality stays like this, it will easily become a masterpiece. Direction, Screenwriting, soundtrack and that banger of ending are blowing me away on every episode. |
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FurySlasher said: Up to Nanbu's death you can argue that neither side was exactly at fault, it was just dealing with a shit situation the best they could. But then Joe abandoned everyone for 5 years and that's 100% on himMaybe Joe was at fault for not being by nanbu’s side, but he was still fighting to try and save him, so it’s kinda sad to see the hostility he’s met with. Really dig the teenage sachio design. |
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