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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- I really like the usage of the sad music tone this episode. Brings out a lot of value with the emotional scenes. Seems Nina is still having a hard time moving on with her life. Overall, i'd say this episode's pacing slowed down more and feels like a buildup towards the finale episodes. One thing I do like is that Nina is determined not to make any mistakes again. |
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| RIP Mugaro-chan. That alessando needs to get destroyed so bad! |
LeissSep 8, 2017 12:10 PM
| pretty good episode, although it's pretty late for the first actual good episode after such a long time. big war build up and Mugaro dying scene was pretty good. let's see if this is going to get downgraded again with future charioce nina melodramatic scene? (spoiler: yes) |
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| Alessand just caused the biggest war ever. Fucking bellend lol |
I knew somebody was going to die... but I didn't know it was going to be El/Mugaro!  |
| So they really did it... This was sad as fuck :'( I also agree that the music and directing in this episode were amazing and brought out a lot of feels. And god damn,do I hate this pussy Alessand,but thanks to him things got really in motion, so he had at least a purpose. Very strong episode and I'm totally looking forward to the rest. Also, Sofiel looks way better without that robe :P |
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| The scene with Mugaro dying was amazing. The directing and cinematography was top notch. RIP Mugaro-kun |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
someone please destroy him |
Stay in yesterday 時を止めて |
| Nice and sad episode :( ... i bet that annoying Nina will screw up again in next ep. ( Something like: but i like him and cant kill him etc)... i want my Amira and Favaro back :( . Nina is annoying and already killed 4+ people Azazel cared about :S |
| What an emotional episode. Can't believe they had the balls to really do it, and the way it was directed, and the way the aftermath was handled, was so damn respectable. As if I needed any more reasons to be amazed by this series. |
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| RIP Mugaro. I'm just glad they didn't wrongly accuse Azazel like I thought they would, thankfully Favaro was there to see Alessand run away. I liked the way they handled the death scene, and I also felt really bad for Nina and Jeanne, but now Jeanne has motivation to take action. Alessand is such a pussy, doing this to become an Onyx Knight and then backing out when he discovers that it slowly eats away at his life. Well, his actions have pretty much set in motion the conflict that's going to take place for the final few episodes, so I guess he had some purpose. Hope he dies though. |
| People on MAL refuse to actually enjoy watching anime. Your taste in anime isn't a personality trait. MAL is literally just anime Twitter as its own website lol. |
| I actually thought it lacked emotional impact for some reason. Finally the penny's dropped for Nina who has finally realised Charioce is a dick. |
He is literally trying to prevent himself from destroying himself. Just pay attention... |
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| Oh my god, I hate this sueish logic, when the good protags can do whatever and it's ok, then they get retaliation which is treated as if it's totally for nothing, and ultimately they are given free moral reign to wreck whoever even more. Nina says that she wants to fight back for people close to her, ok, but she has raised a few districts because of her hormones and killed some people too (must have, let's not pretend that breathing fire was harmless for soldiers). Azazel waged war, killed countless humans, and for the king he is a terrorist, his last attack taking lives of innocent bystanders. And El is a weapon, that caused deaths of so many soldiers and knights. This is not purely personal, has not being purely personal, and all the "good" characters have blood on their hands. Also these people are "close to her" in the first place mostly because they have been drawn to her power as a weapon against the king. The last fun thing Nina did was to infiltrate the ball with human nobles, ambush their leader and try to take his trump card weapon from him amidst the war, Favaro was ready to kill him too - not exactly peaceful, eh? First she wanted to dance, now she wants to kill, to hell with everything else aside from her feelings. Kaisar is a shit knight captain. He doesn't know what his knight think yet invites Alessand into the group, doesn't care for his knights' deaths in the fight where El was first deployed, continues to cause problems for his former subordinates. I feel for the black knights, because they're the only ones who pay and face consequences. Their fates are naturally tragic with no bullshit betrayals needed. Too bad that none of them are even given names. Alessand didn't necessary have to get into the Crime and Punishment mode right away too, a lot of his comrades died because of El. The good guys thinking that Alessand killed El on Charioce's orders is supposed to be tragic, but it's annoying, imo. It'd have been so much better if the final clash had begun because of ideology and goals, yanno, the things that had been central for the biggest part of the show. The grand finale should've been built, not started on a plottwist this random. Now they make even demons act out of love for the kid, and it's so lame I don't know. No, I get that they probably wanted to show how one victim may be too many, this one chance death is supposed to be the catharsis, the "look where it has taken us" moment. But El is not exactly an outsider, he is a warrior too, so death was on the plate for him. There have been many deaths so far, the conflict is wider, and, sadly, it has noot been studied enough, it's not being enriched, it's being replaced with personal affairs. And I don't like El enough to be glad to see everything burning in his memory, especially at the hands of the likes of Azazel. At first Mugaro was creepy, then El was brooding and rash, at no point he felt to me like that one holy savior loved by all. No, his close ones have the reason to love him and to seek vengeance, but I, as a viewer, don't quite feel the same, even if I understand it intellectually. This is old news narratively and it's manipulative. And they probably will revive him later. Then, again, the power balance is bad. Almost everyone on the team have access to powers that they haven't used because... well, because of shit writing to be honest. Now they want to go all out, but it makes the whole standoff so far questionable. In the end, none of the loves in this "tale of love and ruin" are good or well-written. Charioce and Nina don't share much, Charioce can't communicate because of his personality and has other life goals, Nina hasn't learnt to look at him or on the situation in a straight manner despite that scene in the prison, El is a plot device to connect everyone, but seriously lacks in personality. It has come to the "ruin" part, but what I see doesn't make me too hopeful either. Looks like thay won't be able to go under in a decent way. |
deadoptimistSep 8, 2017 1:04 PM
| I killed a child, praise me, praise me!!! Good for you Alessand... Well, that was a very stupid way to kill off Mugaro, but i'm not complaining because thanks to his death the plot can FINALLY advance, and the show remembered that it is not a romcom. And they actually didn't blame Azazel for his death like i thought they would. It wouldn't make sense in thinking about it, but many things don't make sense in this season so... OMG it's Lucifer, the writers actually remembered that he in fact does exist and that they actually were setting him up to take action many episodes ago only to completely forget about him afterwards. I am so happy that i'm going to ignore the fact that his behavior is completely different compared to his last appearance. Sorry, i can't help, i only signed a contract for the first cour.  HUH???  Better late than never i suppose. That is the theme of this episode. It's a shame that it's too late for this to be saved anyways, but we can hope for a decent finale at least? Nina realized that Charioce was killing her friends. I never thought the day would come. I was screaming "you don't say" and "no shit" all the way through that discussion with Favaro. And then of course she says she's going to meet him and talk to him. Because the show can't forget that it's shit. Obviously... Azazel continues elevating every scene he's in into greatness. I've said this before, but i love him so much in Virgin Soul. He truly is the only good thing to come out of this sequel. And it's about time we got a truly badass and hype moment with Jeanne. A decent episode overall, if you ignore all the obvious faults that can't be fixed now. Everybody is taking up arms. The final battle is upon us. Make this a good clusterfuck Mappa. |
MouloxasSep 8, 2017 2:57 PM
| So Mugaro is really dead. The way his death was handled was well done. I felt really bad for Nina and Jeanne. She now has a reason to fight. Alessand got what he wanted, but then he chickened out when he saw what the Onyx Knights go through. He better die. The scene with Lucifer and Azazel was great. |
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| RIP Mugaro. I expected him to survive but he died in the end. Quite a sad episode. Alessand has to die. |
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| Sorry, but I blame Kaiser for this one. His being such a beta bitch of a leader for the Orlean's knights was the instigator for all of this. His men would rather try attaining glory under the Onyx Knights without even knowing what it meant, rather than be associated with the Orlean's faction. Just goes to show just how his wishy-washy policies of trying to protect everyone has led us to this moment. Cannot fault Jeanne for siding with the gods, seeing as it was a human who murdered her child. That said, because it's her instigating the rebellion, am pretty sure everyone who has beef with Charioce will fly under her banner. Azazel finally convinced Lucifer to take arms, but gets his ass beat for calling him out. Looking forward to the Demon army finally retaliating. As for Nina.. her delayed reaction to Mugaro's death was a little annoying. I still think she's holding on to the hope that she can convince the king to reneg on his ideals though. That's why she said she wanted to go see him, and not "defeat" him. As nice as it seems that she's resolved to stop whoever wants her friends killed, I cannot help but feel that she still believes that she can save Charioce, and I'm afraid that very point is going to throw a huge curveball when everything else is going Jeanne and Azazel's way. |
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| Pretty anticlimatic death for El, but at least his demise was useful at the end. Ironic how Alessand of all people has been the one who has set in motion the climax, he has served his purpose too. I have respect for the Onyx Knight Captain. He may be on the side of the bad guys, but he is a dude who is going to literally die for his people. It's a pity his character hasn't been explored that much through the series. Also, Lucifer finally is going to move his ass. It was about time. Now is time for the final battle to start now that everyone is moving (I hope Cer-chan ends this safe, btw). |
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| the show is beyond saving. Even if the final battle is amazing by battle standards I won't really care Nina and Charioce is a waste of time. I feel more bad for Azazel that his friend died than feeling bad for Jeanne losing her child. Mostly because we only really saw them together for one episode Kaisar and Favaro which was the best part of season 1 aren't focused enough on but are side tracked for boring dragon girl who is still our main character while bringing nothing good to the table. |
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Mouloxas said: Not the only ones. You're forgetting demon waifu with big boobs and obligatory demon named Dante. How could you forget about them? I mean, they even had names! At least, i think the demon waifu did... Oh, righto, my apologies. Though they paid for another person's stupidity and arrogance. And they had names! Really, black knights are disrespected by the writers something special. Edit: She has a name in the game, so ppl knew who she was supposed to be, but I am not sure it's been mentioned in the show. I've checked a bit, haven't found it so far, and I'm too lazy to continue. |
deadoptimistSep 8, 2017 1:55 PM
Mouloxas said: Found it! Apparently her name was Belphegor and it was not mentioned in the show. Interesting bit of trivia as well, in the cardgame her story is different, in the lore of the game she actually sides with humans. This actually wasn't a total waste of my time! Lol, truly, a metafact that makes things better. They killed her here, so she has no chance to. |
| welp Mugaro is dead but he may come back somehow to stop the war and since his body is not yet buried/disposed right? lol wishful thinking on my part there but i just cannot believe it at the moment |
Mouloxas said: Azazel was truly the saving grace of the first half for me since Kaisar became completely side tracked for Nina Deknijff said: This sentence sums up the failure that is Virgin Soul perfectly. We sympathize more with a demon, a villain from season 1 that most people would hate, for losing a child that he practically used as a tool and put in harm's way to achieve his goals, even though he had no other choice, than we do with Jeanne, a badass heroine from season 1 that most people would love, and mother of said child, even though it never felt like that was the case. It shows what great character development Azazel has gone through and how Jeanne (and everyone else really) have been pretty stale or outright uninteresting.I feel more bad for Azazel that his friend died than feeling bad for Jeanne losing her child. |
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| Azazel should seriously stop caring about people and go back at being an emotionless, bad demon. They all just ending up dead lol. ... I still have hope that Mugaro/El will be revived somehow. |
| >holy child, has special powers >dies from being stabbed in the belly once mmmkay |
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Mouloxas said: Yeah he was great in the beginning with the amount of time he was given.Deknijff said: Frankly, Kaisar was almost as great as Azazel in the first 8 episodes, opposing the king, clash of political ideologies, extremely badass moments like the three-way fight vs Azazel and Charioce. And afterwards, absolutely freaking nothing from him. Such a waste...Azazel was truly the saving grace of the first half for me since Kaisar became completely side tracked for Nina its a shame that he is getting so little focus despite being such a good appeal for the show |
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Mouloxas said: Frankly, Kaisar was almost as great as Azazel in the first 8 episodes, opposing the king, clash of political ideologies, extremely badass moments like the three-way fight vs Azazel and Charioce. And afterwards, absolutely freaking nothing from him. Such a waste... But he doesn't have an ideology besides wanting everyone to play well together. Kaisar is such a lost case. Let's look at his development: - The life of Kaisar's father and knight heritage are lost because of Azazel, he tries to kill his best friend because of a misunderstanding that was orchestrated by Azazel. - The events of the first season take place, where Kaisar finds out the truth, reconciles with Favaro. - Kaisar is given his knight title back by a king and enters Orlean knights because of Jeanne. - Jeanne is wounded and disrespected. Kaisar fails to remedy this. - Jeanne entrusts the knights to Kaisar. - Jeanne doesn't vow to the king, Kaisar does (we don't know about his exact motivation). Also a gaping plothole with the knight's reaction to 3 kings fast dead. - Jeanne is thrown out of the capital, Kaisar fails to know where and doesn't look for her afterwards. (A gaping plothole with Orlean kinghts and the demon capital conquest. Did they take a part or what?) - Kaisar is the king's personal guard somehow. - Kaisar is disrespected by his knights, as he says to Rita, fails to learn about their opinions or secure good officers. - Starts to act as a bounty hunter and to betray the king, despite knowing about the Onyx soldiers security and warnings. - Loses the priviledge of the order he has been entrusted with as a result. - Betrays the king more and sides with the demon attacker during a terror act, raises a weapon his king. Is asked by the king what he suggests, says that he doesn't know but is against the current status. - Starts to get punished by the king. - Works with Azazel. - Has no opinions on his knight order slaughtered during the gods attack. - Sides with the living weapon that was the reason his knights died in packs, no second thought given whatsoever. - Involves his knights in his betrayal plot, making the order to lose more officers with disgrace. + Plans to side with the former head of the knight order in a revolt. (That's actually the first sort of sensible thing.) That's a lot of contradictions for someone who is supposed to be inflexibly honorable and a ton of failure. |
deadoptimistSep 8, 2017 3:52 PM
| Great episode. And very sad. Kind of figured that was it for El, but at least Rita tried her very best. Allesand is such a coward. Can't even go through with the stone. What the hell was the point of it all, you idiot? I hope he dies a painful death. Jeanne is back in her season 1 warrior mode. And finally, Nina is stepping up. Thankfully, Azazel was able to convince Lucifer to join the battle. Took him a while, too. This episode got things moving. Unfortunately, it came at a huge cost. |
| War has already begun now. There is no turning back. And whatever Charoice was doing whether it was for all life or something. It will now be interrupted by war and vengeance. |
| Alessand = Kujan 2.0 |
When someone asks me why I like anime, I'd say Just Because. |
| Alessand has officially become my most hated anime character ever and I absolutely despise everything about him I didn't think that I would hate anyone more than Charioce but this guy easily takes the cake....Fuck him, fuck the Onyx Knights and their leader, fuck Charioce and fuck everyone that supports him Nina better stay true to her new resolve because if she doesn't help to kill his ass I'm gonna be pissed....That man is a cunt and he deserves to die for his acts of cruelty regardless of his reasons behind it all |
| OKAY LISTEN THIS WAS THE SADDEST ANIME DEATH IN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS Lots of tears were shed. El was is one of my favourite characters in this series. And they had to throw in flashbacks to make it even more painful... Thanks a lot. |
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| Add some slow-motion to spice up the tragedy and make Allesand to realize (or at least think) about whether what he done is "worth" the same with what he wants most. |
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| The writing for this show is so shit. Why is Kaisar such a naive idiot? He was thickheaded in Genesis, but how has he managed to get even more naive in the span of 10 years? I liked him a lot in Genesis too, but seeing him act like this is pissing me off. It's even more jarring since in the second short that was released before Virgin Soul aired, him and Jeanne seemed pretty close with him even promising to be there for her if she ever needed help. Where did that promise go? Not only do they barely interact, but her son was just murdered by somebody that he invited into their group, and the only thing that's bothering him is that he couldn't understand what Alessand was thinking. Three more episodes to go. I'm only watching this shit for Favaro at this point. |
| Great episode. That scene of everyone in distress over Mugaro was heartbreaking. Alessand needs to pay for what he has done. Everyone gunning for Charioce. Cool to see Lucifer again. |
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| I fucking called it that Jeanne would play a bigger role into this. Ya'll said she was useless. How about now? The sad part is I didn't realize it sooner considering it's in the title, "Virgin Soul." |
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