| It seems like every new Gundam entry always generate hate from the Oldtype folks. Anyone else feel this way about all these discourse? |
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Yeah, there's a contingent of fans that hate anything that isn't OYW/Zeta rehashes and/or just hate women.
| Bruh episode 2 was a literal OYW rehash. GQuuuuuuX has had more shot-for-shot remakes of 0079 scenes than The Origin and CDI combined. And episode 1 featuring Machu gundamjacking after seeing military police oppression is the closest Gundam's come to a Zeta rehash since the Asemu arc of AGE 13 years ago. This is this year's token UC entry (and yes it counts, victorious Zeon still kept the calendar), and it's better than last year's Reqiuem for Vengeance. I've seen more complaints about this show from newbies who've never seen any UC since the terminology isn't spoonfed to them. |
 Novels I have read/am reading pending approval: since November 10 2022 |
| I would say the anime veterans are heaving more fun with this, since they are getting the Gundam references, but also the FLCL+ GunBuster + DieBuster references (and probably more Gainax stuff ahead). Some of the newcomers are "They told me this is suitable for noobs, but I am not getting what is going on, also so many plot holes!", "Why the second episode comes as a different show? Ewww, I want my yuri couple back!", "Wait, how is this turning into a triangle instead of a yuri couple?" and "Is this actually an isekai?". nrrc102 said: Heaven forbid a female mc dares exist in their precious giant robot show Haman Karn, Kycilia Zabi, Sayla Mass (aka Artesia Som Deikun), Mineva Zabi (the real one), Marida Cruz (aka Elpeo Ple No 13), Roux Louka (by the way my favourite), Claudia Peer...and the list with strong and interesting female characters goes on. It is you who is unfamiliar with the Gundam lore. The other referenced here shows FLCL, GunBuster and DieBuster are also full of remarkable female characters, especially the last two. |
alshuApr 23, 1:22 PM
| I genuinly think there is some truth to Hardcore Gundam Fans kinda beeing dicks, whenever an easy, casual Entrance to the Genre, like this one, comes along. They hate the mainstream. And the only way to enjoy Gundam is THEIR way. Watch everything, or watch nothing. There's no Wiggle-Room for the Normie, who just wants to get in, on this. It's such Gatekeeper mentality. And that's true for every popular Genre or Series, pretty much. But Gundam-Fans seem to be extra-elitist. They really do. It's almost like loving these old Shows and watching some of the stuff in their Golden and early Days made them Anime-Royalty, somehow xD "I was there!" On a milder note I also think that Hardcore Gundam Fans are kinda old, at this point. So there's a lot of nostalgia, aswell. And they might not "get" newer Anime.....maybe they're just old guys, remembering the good ol' days 😅 |
Merve2LoveApr 23, 3:38 PM
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| Probably, but I just think all modern Gundam has been ass and has been that way for like two decades. I don't think it's trying to cater to older viewers, it's clearly trying to cater to newbies. |
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I genuinly think there is some truth to Hardcore Gundam Fans kinda beeing dicks, whenever an easy, casual Entrance to the Genre, like this one, comes along.
They hate the mainstream. And the only way to enjoy Gundam is THEIR way. Watch everything, or watch nothing. There's no Wiggle-Room for the Normie, who just wants to get in, on this. It's such Gatekeeper mentality.
And that's true for every popular Genre or Series, pretty much. But Gundam-Fans seem to be extra-elitist. They really do.
It's almost like loving these old Shows and watching some of the stuff in their Golden and early Days made them Anime-Royalty, somehow xD
"I was there!"
On a milder note I also think that Hardcore Gundam Fans are kinda old, at this point.
So there's a lot of nostalgia, aswell. And they might not "get" newer Anime.....maybe they're just old guys, remembering the good ol' days 😅
They hate the mainstream. And the only way to enjoy Gundam is THEIR way. Watch everything, or watch nothing. There's no Wiggle-Room for the Normie, who just wants to get in, on this. It's such Gatekeeper mentality.
And that's true for every popular Genre or Series, pretty much. But Gundam-Fans seem to be extra-elitist. They really do.
It's almost like loving these old Shows and watching some of the stuff in their Golden and early Days made them Anime-Royalty, somehow xD
"I was there!"
On a milder note I also think that Hardcore Gundam Fans are kinda old, at this point.
So there's a lot of nostalgia, aswell. And they might not "get" newer Anime.....maybe they're just old guys, remembering the good ol' days 😅
| @Merve2Love We don't need to do even half the work when I've seen non-UC watchers complaining about the UC technobabble (it's only as much technobabble as Unicorn had). GQuuuuuuX is gatekeeping itself, and that's a good thing. Lolipops said: yet the newbies are leaving because the second episode catered to older viewers, and good riddance.I don't think it's trying to cater to older viewers, it's clearly trying to cater to newbies. |
Fortress_MaximusApr 23, 3:57 PM
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@Merve2Love We don't need to do even half the work when I've seen non-UC watchers complaining about the UC technobabble (it's only as much technobabble as Unicorn had). GQuuuuuuX is gatekeeping itself, and that's a good thing.
Lolipops said:
I don't think it's trying to cater to older viewers, it's clearly trying to cater to newbies.
yet the newbies are leaving because the second episode catered to older viewers, and good riddance.I don't think it's trying to cater to older viewers, it's clearly trying to cater to newbies.
| @Fortress_Maximus How?^^ You can watch and understand everything even if you never heard of Gundam before. That's not Gatekeeping, is it? Sure, if you know the Genre you get some of the Insider-Stuff. But it's not mandatory |
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@Fortress_Maximus
How?^^
You can watch and understand everything even if you never heard of Gundam before.
That's not Gatekeeping, is it?
Sure, if you know the Genre you get some of the Insider-Stuff. But it's not mandatory
How?^^
You can watch and understand everything even if you never heard of Gundam before.
That's not Gatekeeping, is it?
Sure, if you know the Genre you get some of the Insider-Stuff. But it's not mandatory
| Literally linked to an example of someone put off by the UC terminology. Sure, some new fans can easily adapt. But, in general, most complainers before GQuuuuuuuX's story was known were UC fans unhappy with the Eva-like designs. Now that three episodes are out, I'm seeing more complaints from newbies realising how much jargon there is. People into UC and Gainax/Khara works are geeking out over GQuuuuuuuX. |
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| everyone I know who watches Gundam are enjoying GQUUUUUUX, and they've all been fans for a while |
| Every gundam starts bad, gets worse, and then becomes good. Give it time. |
| The only "new" Gundam I'm aware of, is Suisei no Majo, I think. And as an old anime fan and moderate enjoyer of Mecha, I very much liked the 1st season. Have any Gundam shows from 2024 or 2025 come out, that are especially bad? |
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deg said: they said main character like suletta and machu As previously mentioned - DieBuster aka GunBuster 2 aka Top wo Nerae 2! Diebuster - https://myanimelist.net/anime/1002/Top_wo_Nerae_2_Diebuster has such characters (more Machu than Sluetta tho). ...and those two female MCs from DieBuster are more or less reinterpretations of the two female MCs from GunBuster. Needless to say they are Gainax shows. deg said: im the only one Actually I saw such interpretation in a YouTube comment too...so I thought I have discovered a pattern. kuribo-04 said: they mean Main characters specifically The ones I mentioned are main characters, especially those from GunBuster and DieBuster. Basically GQuuuuuuX is ex Gainax employees recycling stuff, but with different animation tools. (Still better that the FLCL sequels by Production IG.) |
alshuApr 24, 8:14 AM
kuribo-04 said: but what bothers some people is girls being the Main characters. Seriously? In Top wo Nerae! Gunbuster - https://myanimelist.net/anime/949/Top_wo_Nerae_Gunbuster Noriko Takaya - https://myanimelist.net/character/3497/Noriko_Takaya and Kazumi Amano - https://myanimelist.net/character/3884/Kazumi_Amano are the main characters. Yes, there are in a sort of love triangle with that one guy (like here in GQuuuuuuX), but he is out of the picture after the middle of the show. In Top wo Nerae 2! Diebuster - https://myanimelist.net/anime/1002/Top_wo_Nerae_2_Diebuster Nono - https://myanimelist.net/character/2058/Nono and Lal'C Melk Mark - https://myanimelist.net/character/3887/LalC_Melk_Mark are the main characters. Also they give some sort of similar vibes as Nyaan and Amate Yuzuriha. What of this is unclear? Like check their profiles - they are tagged as "Main", they pilot mechs...what part is "Heaven forbid a female mc dares exist in their precious giant robot show"? As for Gundam...Sayla Mass is definitely a main character in Gundam The Origin and one of the main characters in Gundam 0079 (she even pilots the Gundam several times). Also Mineva Zabi (well she doesn't pilot, but definitely the center of story ) and Marida Cruz (she pilots and she is a CyberType) are main characters in Gundam Unicorn and Claudia Peer (probably the best pilot on this entry) is a main character in the second part of Gundam Thunderbolt. I could bring more female main characters from Gundam 0079, Stardust Memory, The 08th MS Team ect. but apparently this would be a waste of time. |
deg said: they clearly meant lead main character in a gundam show No, they ( @nrrc102 ) meant...like any mecha show. And Gainax (and should I explain the connction with Khara?) has done some mecha shows. ...but even in those retrains is Sayla Mass not one of the leads in Gundam The Origin? Or Mineva Zabi in Gundam Unicorn? deg said: tlike suletta What this even means. How is she different from the others? Or for example how is she dfferent from the female lead of Patlabor? deg said: is so hard to understand You guys are talking nonsense. deg said: i already mentioned suletta and machu here And I already responded to that. Like I am tired of listing stuff...I may not respond further. |
deg said: suletta is a main lead female character of a gundam show How is that different from Sayla Mass who is a leading female character in Gundam The Origin? ...a keep asking. |
deg said: char is the lead main character of gundam the origin She is a lead character too and she is female. The story in The Origin is as much about her, as about him. PS The Which From Mercury is not even mainly about Suletta, there are other lead characters too. |
Harkness21615 said: to prove that women could also use mobile suits? More like for insubordination and neglect of her duties, tho most of the Gundam pilots end in the brig sooner or later (Suletta even), but Amouro is the champion... Later they use her as pilot. |
alshuApr 24, 12:58 PM
| The "problem" is that when something changes, there is always someone that complains and they tend to be very loud. Considering that it's a very old and popular franchise, this is even worse. Also you have to add that it seems to be the less gundamish Gundam ever. Despite this, it seems to be doing ok so I wouldn't worry that much. I'm enjoying it for now, but so far it seems to be like an introduction, so it's hard to say how good it's going to be. |
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Guilmon1 said: at least half of g witch s1 was about Miorine more than Suletta Half of The Origin is about Sayla...how that makes Suletta a lead and Sayla not? Guilmon1 said: she is the driver of the plot Sayla is the driver of her part of the plot, this is why she ended out in the opposite political side with her brother. Guilmon1 said: development Ha! The worst part of that show is Suletta and other characters never actually changing, despite going through supposedly live altering experiences. Maybe it's somehow realistic, but where's the fun of that? Guilmon1 said: then Mineva should count as a main character too I guess you wanted to write "shouldn't", but: 1. Half of the story in Unicorn was about Mineva and her struggle against being used by other politics. She is totally a lead there. 2. I never said anything against Miorine being a lead ( @deg never remembered about her anyway). Her problem was being as badly written as Cagalli from Gundam Seed. Having all the upbringing and knowledge to be a leader...and mess up at the thing you have being prepared your whole life. I mean, you are supposed to be at least mediocre or to take some punches without immediately crumbling...but for plot reasons they crashed her (I mean both of them - Miorine and Cagalli). Like if you want your lead to loose some rounds for more drama, implement it more interestingly instead do simply using some debuffs or plot poison (as it happened with Suletta too, her entire arc was a lake of plot poison). |
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