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Feb 14, 2:53 PM
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There're some concerns regarding how Steins;Gate mechanics functions and I'd be much appreciated if anyone here could provide plausible explanations. On the other hand, I'm also glad to answer any questions from you guys.

My post attempts to give a solution to any potential plothole and will include spoilers for both the anime and the game. It's also a pretty long read, and thus, if you hate wall of text, you can ignore this.

Feb 14, 3:19 PM
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A question for you before I try to answer, did you read the rest of the Science Adventure series besides Steins;Gate? Your usage and definition of the terminologies are surprisingly consistent with the nature of this world which is revealed through the rest of the franchise
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Feb 14, 4:21 PM
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i aint reading all of that💀
Feb 14, 5:24 PM
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Now I’m confused too! I enjoyed SG and SG Zero but never tried to study it in depth, just accepted what I was told. That lot just hurt my brain.
Feb 14, 5:50 PM
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I know exactly why you are confused. You are overthinking things and bringing up questions that even the author has given barely any thought on.

The reason you can't answer why certain things don't make sense is because they were never meant to make sense.. it's an anime, it's not that deep. 99% of people aren't going to understand that crap nor want to. Everyone however, understands not to mess with time and the consequences that is has when it does. Beyond that, no one cares.

I agree the show is complex at times and quite accurate however, you don't need to be a scientist to understand this show. You can frankly fail science in school and still understand everything.. the show wasn't made to be dissected in the way that you are trying to dissect and analyse it. So don't, you're simply wasting your time posing questions and problems to answers that never existed.. because it's an anime, not one of Einsteins thesis.
FenyyFeb 14, 5:55 PM
Feb 14, 8:22 PM
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I know exactly why you are confused. You are overthinking things and bringing up questions that even the author has given barely any thought on.

The reason you can't answer why certain things don't make sense is because they were never meant to make sense.. it's an anime, it's not that deep. 99% of people aren't going to understand that crap nor want to. Everyone however, understands not to mess with time and the consequences that is has when it does. Beyond that, no one cares.

I agree the show is complex at times and quite accurate however, you don't need to be a scientist to understand this show. You can frankly fail science in school and still understand everything.. the show wasn't made to be dissected in the way that you are trying to dissect and analyse it. So don't, you're simply wasting your time posing questions and problems to answers that never existed.. because it's an anime, not one of Einsteins thesis.
@Fenyy Get the fuck out of here with this sensible and rational take, who do you think you are?

If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that.
Feb 14, 9:53 PM
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What having too much time on your hands looks like.
Feb 14, 10:31 PM
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A question for you before I try to answer, did you read the rest of the Science Adventure series besides Steins;Gate? Your usage and definition of the terminologies are surprisingly consistent with the nature of this world which is revealed through the rest of the franchise
@SciADV_Maniac For now, I've only read Chaos;Head Noah besides Steins;Gate, but I'm planning to check out Chaos;Child and Anonymous;Code too.
kizumi91Feb 16, 6:39 AM
Feb 14, 11:12 PM
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I know exactly why you are confused. You are overthinking things and bringing up questions that even the author has given barely any thought on.

The reason you can't answer why certain things don't make sense is because they were never meant to make sense.. it's an anime, it's not that deep. 99% of people aren't going to understand that crap nor want to. Everyone however, understands not to mess with time and the consequences that is has when it does. Beyond that, no one cares.

I agree the show is complex at times and quite accurate however, you don't need to be a scientist to understand this show. You can frankly fail science in school and still understand everything.. the show wasn't made to be dissected in the way that you are trying to dissect and analyse it. So don't, you're simply wasting your time posing questions and problems to answers that never existed.. because it's an anime, not one of Einsteins thesis.
@Fenyy
Fenyy said:
I know exactly why you are confused. You are overthinking things and bringing up questions that even the author has given barely any thought on.
I admit that I was overthinking stuff, yet I don't see anything wrong with that. Otherwise, these kinds of guidelines, maniacs never existed in the first place.



Fenyy said:
The reason you can't answer why certain things don't make sense is because they were never meant to make sense.. it's an anime, it's not that deep. 99% of people aren't going to understand that crap nor want to. Everyone however, understands not to mess with time and the consequences that is has when it does. Beyond that, no one cares.
Steins;Gate is indeed an anime, but it's also adapted from the game. The anime cut a lot of sci-fi parts that made the source material excel. It's deeper and more niche than what it appears to be. And your statement about 99% perhaps can be applied to every field and subject.

Fenyy said:
I agree the show is complex at times and quite accurate however, you don't need to be a scientist to understand this show. You can frankly fail science in school and still understand everything.. the show wasn't made to be dissected in the way that you are trying to dissect and analyse it. So don't, you're simply wasting your time posing questions and problems to answers that never existed.. because it's an anime, not one of Einsteins thesis.
You completely miss the mark of my thread. My post simply aims to discuss and interpret the series in a logical way, it never means to judge your enjoyment from the get-go. And the parts that I dissect are the mechanics of the series, it's the same as trying to analyze how Death Note functions. You know when people keep coming to ask for the watch order or claim writing plothole, it's that questions and problems exist.
Feb 15, 12:15 AM

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I know exactly why you are confused. You are overthinking things and bringing up questions that even the author has given barely any thought on.

The reason you can't answer why certain things don't make sense is because they were never meant to make sense.. it's an anime, it's not that deep. 99% of people aren't going to understand that crap nor want to. Everyone however, understands not to mess with time and the consequences that is has when it does. Beyond that, no one cares.

I agree the show is complex at times and quite accurate however, you don't need to be a scientist to understand this show. You can frankly fail science in school and still understand everything.. the show wasn't made to be dissected in the way that you are trying to dissect and analyse it. So don't, you're simply wasting your time posing questions and problems to answers that never existed.. because it's an anime, not one of Einsteins thesis.
@Fenyy

Oh boy. This series has deeper planning than you would ever think. And by "series", I mean the Science Adventure series, a series of visual novels (and other related materials) in which Steins;Gate is just the 2nd part (from 6, currently)

It's not "just an anime". Its source material is part of a pretty well thought-out game series
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Feb 15, 4:57 AM
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Nobef said:
i aint reading all of that💀

fr bro wrote a whole essay😭
Feb 15, 6:04 AM
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bro did his thesis about okarin 😦
Feb 15, 6:21 AM

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I'm also confused, why does someone try to make sense of something so irrelevant that isn't even real?
Feb 15, 8:31 AM

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I'll try to tackle question 1 here, because there's a lot going on. The present in Steins;Gate can most easily be defined as "the current perception of the one with Reading Steiner". There isn't really an objective present, hell, Okabe even causes changes to his own past that is perceived as the present with the video D-mail. World lines reconstruct themselves, so every instance of time travel will have always been true once it has occurred, the present only matters to Okabe, who doesn't get reconstructed.
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Feb 15, 8:48 AM

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@SciADV_Maniac For now, I've only read Chaos;Head Noah besides Steins;Gate, but I'm planning to check out Chaos;Child and Anonymous;Code too.
@kizumi91 I think a lot of stuff will be much clear once you've finished Anonymous;Code
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Feb 15, 8:54 AM
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anonymous;code will literally answer all your questions. there's an explanation for all this physics defying stuff that let's all the sci;adv stuff be possible
Feb 15, 9:06 AM

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I'm also confused, why does someone try to make sense of something so irrelevant that isn't even real?
@Zarutaku

So any Anime plot, ever, isn't worth thinking about, just because it's "not real"
Interesting.

You know, when you have nothing to say to a specific topic, it's sometimes just fine to not say anything.
(Do not try the "You too!" angle, please. Spare yourself that fourth grade defence and regain some dignity)
Feb 15, 9:16 AM
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I'll try to tackle question 1 here, because there's a lot going on. The present in Steins;Gate can most easily be defined as "the current perception of the one with Reading Steiner". There isn't really an objective present, hell, Okabe even causes changes to his own past that is perceived as the present with the video D-mail. World lines reconstruct themselves, so every instance of time travel will have always been true once it has occurred, the present only matters to Okabe, who doesn't get reconstructed.
@Timeline_man Your idea is very similar to mine, that only one instantaneous moment of the active WL does present "The present". Reading Steiner works like God Eyes that observe the world. There's no guarantee and confirmation, but I guess it's safe to assume Reading Steiner will be shifted to another WL's Okabe when the current Okabe meets his demise. And when "The present" moves to the point where Okabe's live status probability reaches zero, the ability will be bestowed upon another person.
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Feb 15, 9:22 AM
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@SciADV_Maniac @Normalite That helps a lot. Gonna give it a try soon.
Feb 15, 9:36 AM

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@Zarutaku

So any Anime plot, ever, isn't worth thinking about, just because it's "not real"
Interesting.

You know, when you have nothing to say to a specific topic, it's sometimes just fine to not say anything.
(Do not try the "You too!" angle, please. Spare yourself that fourth grade defence and regain some dignity)
@Merve2Love Not "any anime plot ever" but "something so irrelevant" in the plot, miniscule details that almost nobody cares about, because they aren't even real.

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@Timeline_man Your idea is very similar to mine, that only one instantaneous moment of the active WL does present "The present". Reading Steiner works like God Eyes that observe the world. There's no guarantee and confirmation, but I guess it's safe to assume Reading Steiner will be shifted to another WL's Okabe when the current Okabe meets his demise. And when "The present" moves to the point where Okabe's live status probability reaches zero, the ability will be bestowed upon another person.
@kizumi91 That's an interesting idea, but I don't think Reading Steiner is exclusive to Okabe, per se. In some scenes of the VN, it seemed like Reading Steiner might not be as simple as having it or not, but that there are people with certain degrees of ability to sense worldline changes. It's been a while, but iirc, Faris seems to have some, if a much lesser, ability to know that the worldline has shifted. But ultimately. the "present" is a matter of perception, future and past are just concept to refer to a difference of time from the time you are currently perceiving. Okabe has the strongest form of Reading Steiner for the time being. Of course, we have no idea where it came from or how it manifested, so who would have the ability that strong after Kyoma's death would be anyone's guess.
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Feb 16, 12:01 AM
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@kizumi91 That's an interesting idea, but I don't think Reading Steiner is exclusive to Okabe, per se. In some scenes of the VN, it seemed like Reading Steiner might not be as simple as having it or not, but that there are people with certain degrees of ability to sense worldline changes. It's been a while, but iirc, Faris seems to have some, if a much lesser, ability to know that the worldline has shifted. But ultimately. the "present" is a matter of perception, future and past are just concept to refer to a difference of time from the time you are currently perceiving. Okabe has the strongest form of Reading Steiner for the time being. Of course, we have no idea where it came from or how it manifested, so who would have the ability that strong after Kyoma's death would be anyone's guess.
@Timeline_man I actually tried to analyze Reading Steiner in section C4 of my long post. The nature of Okabe's Reading Steiner and others' are entirely opposite. Okabe's Reading Steiner allows him to retain memories from other previous WLs; meanwhile, it's only the memories of the current WL with a tiny fraction from the old WL to people. Hence, Okabe's one is a special, unique one. Perhaps Reading Steiner can be interpreted as a phenomenon representing "The present".
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So im rewatching it with my girlfriend and i can say it is brilliant. So what im gathering from my 2nd watch , the 1st time you watch this you view it as our main character so all the confusion and information your getting is from his lens ,your learning information like he is and processing it as such . Now on my 2 nd watch everything is clicking because im viewing it as our main character who experienced and has the knowledge of what the intended message was. Things I missed my 1st watch makes more sense now especially when you understand who is talking to who (tried to explain without spoilers because it literally was a whole new experience re watching) My 1st watch I was like ehh it ain’t bad but I don’t get it. And things that deal with time often confuse my brain because like it said there becomes infinite streams and I want to figure out which is which

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