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ABSOLUTE MASTERPIECE.

yeah my roommate is of similar mind as someone thats been reading it for years. I mean, ive been intentionally waiting for it to conclude for so long for this purpose. Tho i think reading it as it came out would make me appreciate the earlier parts more, which is why i think the reread will be necessary.

to be honest, the ending saved the fuck out of hnk for me, it probably woulda been that 5-6 range without that final stretch. I never thought it was bad obviously but i wasnt too attached until then. i think ill like it more on a slower, more thorough reread with physical editions, which i will be buying. as for fire punch... maybe one day. im not very big on fujimoto. was gonna start kenshin next asw

Random question: do you use vndb?

Damn, i hope they do make another season. Not that i'm interesting in watching the show, but i am interested in seeing that sword scene animated, If there's a god out there :P

Yeah, he seems to over-complicate things in most of his work from what I've seen. And complexity, as long as it's not too inaccessible, always seems to make for a quite acclaimed title. Even if it has a lot of problems and is kind of the opposite of what people will celebrate it as. Probably does work better if you somehow encounter each arc as a short stories and part of a comp, but it's quite odd as one complete series, indeed. There are so many parts in Monster where I would reflect on a subplot much earlier on and would think, did we really need that? I wonder what his best title is. Doubt Master Keaton is good either...

Oh, right, the Parasyte author. I've been meaning to read that one. Sounds like it would be better. Kind of surprised they haven't taken a crack at adapting it yet, since Parasyte was so popular.

Yes, I'd also agree that it's theme-driven, with everything being a vehicle for the themes. Part of the problem is how the author seems willing to twist anything and everything on a whim to heighten the impact of his themes, even if it might be ill advised... Hey, I'd totally believe the head monk had already taken a ball too. Maybe Dan isn't the only anime with missing balls this season. XD

Actually, speaking of Monster, I kind of feel like Urasawa does something similar, though maybe not always for themes specifically. A lot of things are black and white there, and while it's not as bad for a few of the mains as time goes on, he'll do this thing with his characters where they're even relatively normal or semi-relatable, then he'll use every trick in the book to make them into the most malicious conniving assholes (or whatever else was needed) without any subtlety or buildup. It's like a switch was flipped to maximize the impact of the scene at hand, but it feels kind of off as a whole. I especially felt this in the earlier episodes, so it was a rough start.

So I think you would say the sword death is the peak of ridiculous scenes in the manga? Bridge scene is definitely the most absurd thing in the anime so far.

Oh, okay, so that's why you were singling those Urasawa titles out. I don't know anything about the author of Orb, so I wonder if those manga were an influence. Not sure with Japan, but I especially hear about 20thCB a lot. lol, basement arc is an interesting comparison.

The dreadful "another" tier developments and edgy drama is just a byproduct of the baton passing XD you need to make the audience care about the walking plot devices. The expression in the first spoiler just killed me XD
yeah, The fake suspense is why it reminded me of monster.

gsar says it didn't reach till the part in the second spoiler apparently, the jolanta arc. I guess showing the inquisitors as all mean and degenerate is not okay, need to put in <catholic humanity> moment now.

Just that the heliokyo/scieneKyo does feel more eerie and magical than the majo kyo in re zero which feels considerably more tame, so the supernatural feel comes from there at times XD The heliocentrists feel a bit like a cult right out of berserk or smthn. you dropped the anime on ep 1, but there's a scene you definitely have to see in ep 5 17 min mark for a couple mins (it was pointed out to me by gsar), it is executed in such a way in the anime that even blows monster out of the water.
Here you have it time stamped XD:-
https://youtu.be/TGrTE0xYsw4?si=pZldSK64fjQUfEUo&t=1016

lol at the meme btw, it's hilarious.

Wow, it just gets more and more bizarrely hilarious.

Ah, I don't feel like it's that understandable (though I haven't seen the full arc with Badeni). Anyone who isn't a moron would give up there and try again later, when given such an opportunity. Reckless would have been snooping around for the book, given the situation, which he was already doing; opening it, after such a stern warning, knowing you won't be able to absorb much of anything given the circumstances and will pay a severe price for basically nothing, is more like insanity. I would have preferred that the monk caught him reading and simply punished him over what happened (which is believable enough, since he was already beating the hell out of him before). Most of the characters are so painfully exaggerated and stupidly passionate and make a point of eventually becoming true to their ideals and licking their wounds in a smug way. "If you open that book, I'll take your eyes." "Fuck you. I'm opening the book." Him getting a line from it at all is just convenience. Nah, I can't take it seriously. This kind of thing is something I have an intense hatred for. Easiest 1/10 for me in a while.

Okay, it looks more believable in the manga for the fire part. I think the anime suffers from time distortion, which sometimes happens with the way they have to cram the episodes, and makes it feel like everything could have very easily been destroyed, though most everything about the script says that he saved the bulk of it.


Yes, agreed, but I find the execution to be garbage throughout. I found the Rafal thing unbearably stupid, and they just copy Socrates as justification, when reasonably the boy could have accomplished more in secret regarding heliocentrism than probably anything Socrates could have done in Athens at that point (plus, he actively has students he actually directly influenced, meaning a more literal "passing of the torch," a luxury Rafal does not have). Going by the story, it feels more appropriate and meaningful with Socrates. But the author has to do his cheap passing on the torch and quote mining thing to force the idea. Plus, I feel kind of bad for Hubert, given he had just sacrificed himself for Rafal not long ago, lmfao. Feels awkward as hell. Now I'm wondering if I imagined that line, though. But even if what I recall were correct, that would only be a partial motivation at best, with the influence being the greater reason, so I guess it doesn't matter. I think a lot of what I'm saying is bad here in Orb is not inherently bad, it's just the author executes most things in a ham-fisted way. Everything about the drama feels rough and unfinished to me. Like it needs more crafting and smoothing out.

Right, I'm probably not going to bother with anything else by Urasawa. Dislike his Pluto adaptation/remix too. Well, at least Orb is shorter than Monster and consistently more hilarious, which makes it better.

The cultist manga still that you posted on Chouun's comments, where he passes him the medallion, looks like some kind of propaganda poster when out of context. It has even more of a hilarious impact in the manga compared to the anime, tbh. XD

Spoilers for Orb:

yo kizumi-dono, Have you found our lord and savior, the most seinen anime ever made? ✧ (˵ ͡~ ͜ʖ. ͡°˵)ﾉ⌒♡

https://myanimelist.net/anime/52215/Chi__Chikyuu_no_Undou_ni_Tsuite

This>>>Monster

Thank you so much! And sorry as I have been thoughts a hard time in life, but I will try to finish and comment on Hi no Tori as promised this month

I haven't, but it's on my wishlist. And I am aware that it was a heavily truncated adaptation of the VN, which I was already anticipating going into it after the similarly flawed adaptation of Frontwing's other title in Grisaia no Kajitsu. I'm not the sort to prejudge the original work based on only its anime.

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