What this fan of the show has an issue with.(Episdoe 11 spoilers)

Roxy didn’t force herself on anyone, just to think that is not knowing the characters Rudeus & Roxy.

Rudeus knew full well what happened, he didn’t blame her, because he knew that he let it happen.

Roxy did it to help Rudeus, who was an empty shell of himself, after his father died, which he blamed himself for, and his mother forgot her own son’s existence.

It actually helped Rudy come back to reality, that was the entire point, Roxy was trying to help Rudy when he was at his lowest point and had no escape from his extreme depression and despair.

And Elinalise suggesting Rudeus take responsibility for his actions and for Roxy is not bad, it is a suggestion that helped solve the issue of them loving each other, wanting to be together, but not wanting it to be an affair or to break up the marriage.

And this has been done in history, between humans, so it actually has a basis for happening.

The problem is that people are ignorant of history and human behavior, so it is sad that they keep saying Rudeus, Roxy, Elinalise are bad people.

Just to add to the comment above, which is well presented, The thing a lot of people are being influenced by is Roxy saying to Rudy that she took advantage of him. That is clearly her trying to take the guilt from him, as she doesn’t want to replace one cause of depression with another. She clearly has the mental strength to control her urges as proved when she pulled away afterwards even though it was emotionally painful for her. She slept with him purely to break him out of his desperate state knowing it would cause her pain afterwards. It was an act of self sacrifice rather than selfishness. The subsequent suggestion of polygamy from Elainalise is her trying to see a way for nobody to have their heart broken, although not in a conventional manner… she is definitely not acting in any way that is harmful to anyone, although how her granddaughter reacts is still a risk. Everyone will be hurt a little by this solution rather than one person being hurt a lot.

This quote is one of the best comments ive seen on one of these threads, damn.

@PunGood020 No it's someone who hasn't bothered reading anything about human psychology and doesn't realize what Roxy was extremely toxic. We really shouldn't be saying out here that sex is a way to get over grief. That's very bad and toxic.

@ejleon

Making assumptions only makes you look bad. Think twice about what you type. Just a heads up for the future.

You can’t call someone out for making assumptions and then assume something about that person. It makes you and your arguments look stupid.

You dont get it that well i see, human nature, you cant just say that smth shouldnt have happened like that and think it is bad that it happened, if it helped him in a good way thats all that matters, you know what was said afterwards on the end of ep 11, i believe it can work, and if it doesnt no hard feelings towards them ofc.

And who the F are you? The moral police? Looks like you’ll die a virgin…

@MasterHavik

I am no "fanboy", making assumptions only makes you look bad.

I did not say heartless mindless lust / sex were the things that helped Rudeus.

It was not about Elinalise or any random woman doing whatever for or to Rudeus.

I was saying that Roxy's love and support was what helped Rudeus in his time of needing someone to comfort him and to lean on. Sex was not even the main thing that helped him, it was her sharing in his grief and sorrow, she cared about his father and mother too, and she loved Rudeus, sex was just the thing that demonstrated how much she loved him, trusting him all the way.

But you are obviously a modern generation that knows nothing about the human heart mind soul behavior or history, hence why you can't understand something as beautiful and wonderful as love.

Just because your own personal opinion is against something, does not mean it is wrong in history.
I hate when modern people force their own personal ethics / morals on people that were in the past or in stories that have nothing to do with them.
It is the heights of arrogance.

Well the main character is kinda a hypocrite, and that's not necessarily a bad thing.

Anyway you're missing two key points
1) Sylphy already suggested a mistress
2) Having two wives is kinda normalized in the setting and not the "outrageous" thing it would be in our world.

This decision literally got foreshadowed at multiple points.

Also, charactes being something else than just always completely morally right paragons is a sign of good writing.


"And I clearly said sex shouldn't be used as a way to get over massively amounts of grief. That's just toxic. "
That's literally just your personal opinion.

@abystoma2 When did she suggest a mistress? Refresh my memory as that is new to me even LN readers aren't saying this.

Also...yeah it is a bad thing and let me explain if a character acknowledges something is stupid and hypocritical but still does it they look like a hypocritical it's like pointing out jaywalking is bad and then doing it yourself. Never a fan of main characters looking like hypocrites and contradicting themselves for the sake of the plot. It's one thing if Rudy was an unreliable narrator but he isn't.

Also I don't see how I miss point 2 when I said I'm fine with him having two wives and just offered a better way to go about it. I'll make it clearer for you since you missed that part. I don't mind having two wives but doing it this way is not only poor writing but woefully rushed. There was a better way to do this. I'm shocked you created a strawman argument when I made clear I'm not fully against that.

No it isn't.

@abystoma2 When did she suggest a mistress? Refresh my memory as that is new to me even LN readers aren't saying this.

Also...yeah it is a bad thing and let me explain if a character acknowledges something is stupid and hypocritical but still does it they look like a hypocritical it's like pointing out jaywalking is bad and then doing it yourself. Never a fan of main characters looking like hypocrites and contradicting themselves for the sake of the plot. It's one thing if Rudy was an unreliable narrator but he isn't.

Also I don't see how I miss point 2 when I said I'm fine with him having two wives and just offered a better way to go about it. I'll make it clearer for you since you missed that part. I don't mind having two wives but doing it this way is not only poor writing but woefully rushed. There was a better way to do this. I'm shocked you created a strawman argument when I made clear I'm not fully against that.

No it isn't.

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That you ignore that says a lot about you

This statement is based on personal opinions and interpretations. While you may feel disappointed and frustrated with certain writing decisions, it is important to remember that art is subjective and everyone can have different reactions to the same material.

It is also worth noting that the author's intent and the motivations behind certain plot developments may not necessarily align with the reader's expectations. Criticizing the author for their choices and suggesting alternative storylines is valid as part of a critical discussion, but ultimately it is up to the creator to decide the direction of their work.

Furthermore, it is important to consider the cultural context of the story and how certain themes and actions may be perceived differently in different societies. What one person considers "shitty human behavior" another may view as a complex and realistic portrayal of flawed characters.

Ultimately, while you may have valid criticisms and concerns about the show, it is important to recognize that art is a reflection of the human experience and can evoke a range of emotions and reactions. It is okay to disagree with certain elements of a story, but it is also important to approach criticism with an open mind and respect for the creative process.

I have made no assumptions, I didn’t need to, their comments exposed them.

I did not call you a bot.

I never assumed their age.

But I was right, he is 31 years of age, he said it himself, which means that they are in the modern generation that lacks knowledge and understanding of Social Science & Science.

I think the guys above explained it pretty well.
I just want to defend the writing a bit.
In countless entertainment medium we saw how a guy saves a girl and she fells in love(it also happened here).
But it's actually unique too see both Sylphy and Roxy saving Rudy in his worst of times just like he saved them.
Sylphy said in s2(maybe not could be overlapping things with manga) that she can't protect Rudeus with power but she protect him with love. Which exactly what she did.
Roxy also kinda did the same thing but in a scummy way.
Rudy always liked Roxy but after she helped him there it became more apparent.
They could have expanded a bit like showing flashbacks from Rudy perspective liking marrying her after 10 years and other stuffs that would have made it better.

Also what I read Elinalese did more wild things like forcing Rudy to take responsibility and guilt shaming him to that relationship. But I think they handled things better the confession did feel more natural.

Bringing home a gf while your wife is pregnant and your father just died is actually a lot messed up tbh. But I am not sure how can they do it otherwise.

What op said waiting for a year is ridiculous, Roxy already spent 7 years of her life trying to help Greyrats. If she wait for a offchance that Rudy might cheat on his while STAYING TOGETHER is actually worse.

As a Sylphy fan I am a bit sad when I come to know he will have multiple wives. But as long Sylphy is happy I am fine
I also don't want to see Roxy sad she did so much for Rudy and his family she deserves it. That's why Elinalese suggested it.

Could the writing be better ofcourse everything can be improved but they still did a good , may sound like fanboy but it is what it is.

I would disagree this.

@MasterHavik She did say that clearly in ep15 ss2, let me quote it for ya: "If I'm not able to have kids, you can take a mistress if you want".

Okay, the first point to defend Rudeus is, Sylph allow him to reproduce with other girl(s). That mean he can have a second wife without any problem.
The second is although he has Sylph's allowance, he still feel sorry which was expressed in the conversation between him and Roxy, Elinalise.
Not to mention the third point, that Roxy fell in love with Rudeus, it's inevitable since he became the ideal husband model (she claimed that in the past episode), and her hint to Rudeus was obvious in episode 20, 21. Also, Roxy is more (or just equally) important to Rudeus than Sylph (She rescued him from his trauma).

Let's talk about some weak point, Sylph is in pregnancy btw, but I think that's the reason Rudeus feels sorry, not that he's talking to another girl. So I would accept him for being sorry, solved.
Rudeus has the most fragile soul comparing to Norn, Eris or any character of the series. Remember when he lost Eris? He was just continue to being sad all the way until Counter Arrow party and Soldat help him, that was atleast 3 months of sadness. That depression surely can't be worse than losing Paul and Zenith's state of mind.
By the way, Rudeus is a scumbag and a fragile soul at the same time, and these little details I said above was built step by step, episode by episode. I would say, the author even participates in directoring the show, the studio was just founded to make the show, there are even more small details and I want to say more about it but this comment is long enough.

Hopefully this help commnent help you understand the anime adaptation. Btw, one of the best anime I've ever seen.

@MasterHavik When they were talking about the low possibility of getting pregnant, I think it was either shortly after getting married or shortly before? Rudy refused at that time, but but this shows that she is actually fine with it.

"Character acknowledges something is stupid and hypocritical but still does it they look like a hypocritical"
You do know that hypocrites exist in real world right? Just because a character is a hypocrite doesn't make the character a bad written one. If anything, usually the opposite unless it seems like the *writer* is unaware of the hypocrisy.

"There was a better way to do this"
Again, that's just your personal opinion, I think delegating Roxy to a cuck chair for years before they actually get married would be much worse. Why even postpone the innevitable if all involved are okay with going with it?

I’m almost 40 and I got As in all subjects

@WaterMage_658 No your take is fine. I enjoy reading your posts. Keep it up. You're not a fanboy.

@abystoma2 But she got knock up so the point is kind of voided out my guy. I don't think she would be okay with this.

Of course we have them in our government but that doesn't make it okay to fuck your narrative over.

I know dude. I'm not writing it off as fact. Also....because relationships take time and marrying someone after fucking once is never a good idea no matter the setting? It's like asking thee girlfriend/boyfriend that beats you up daily to marry you. Not only that, but the show didn't rush Rudy/Slyph. So why should we give them a pass for rushing Roxy/Rudy?

That's bad writing. I can't believe I have to say to make an effective romance you need to build and develop it. this isn't a fanfiction where two characters are fucking like rabbits by the third chapter.

@ejleon You aren't that much older than me then but to call the 90s modern is something a boomer would say.

So OP is saying,Roxy graped Rudeus? Did we watch the same episode???

OP is blinded by recency basis (or whatever it's called) where someone judges what'w happening in a history (a medieval inspired one for our topic) based on morals of today.
Taking a second wife is viewed badly because of our heavily christian influenced world.

in conclusion: nonsensical topic. Next.

I’m glad to see other people criticizing this, because honestly it seemed uncharacteristic of Roxy and Elinalise to me as well. I didn’t realize these seemingly developed characters would turn into plot devices for a male fantasy, and in such a clumsy way. It also cheapens the blow of Paul’s death, because now it just feels like a plot point to push the harem as well. It’s not that I’m against fanservice or these fantasies within anime, but this bait and switch when I thought the show would have some emotional depth instead is disappointing. I thought the show was well written with some ecchi aspects after the first season, but after this season I’ve come to the conclusion it’s a pretty harem fantasy anime that just had me fooled in the first half. I’m glad I stayed long enough to see that last fight scene but otherwise this season has been a slog.

@MasterHavik
You *think*. I *know*, unless the anime is going to have some large departure from the source material.

Narrative is not "fucked over" when the characters behave as real people.

"because relationships take time and marrying someone after fucking once is never a good idea"
You forget that Rudy and Roxy have already known each other for quite some time.

The main reason Sylphy took longer was because Rudeus did not know she is in fact Sylphy and not just some guy.

@MasterHavik but I am 😂
MT is my first (proper) anime I will try to defend it as much I can.

@MasterHavik

As a word of advice on MAL, please refrain from cussing / calling people names, or else the mods will get you. Unfortunately, they have banned me for way less. We are now best friends, so I thought I should protect you from people that can't understand that we are not arguing, but are genuinely discussing the art of anime that we love. ( lets hope they do not ban me for saying this )

It is not a "gotcha", but it does say something about someone, if they judge certain people for their actions, but then praise people that cheated in sports, kind of funny to think about, but I was trying to say that you shouldn't just judge based on bias or personal opinion.

Actually, I went to a private school, which was started in the 80s because our parents were right about the public school system in the US, they were working to indoctrinate students from a young age, which has been happening since the 60s, when the leftists took over the school system. Now we have a bunch of people that hate the US, without being able to answer why they hate it, which is so embarrassing. I mean if you hated the US at least know why, but come on, they can't even say why they want to change the US, it is sad.

Anyways, I don't think Rudeus, Roxy, or Elinalise did anything that terrible. Sylphie already considered how Rudeus grew up and how he was. Roxy loved him, wanted to help him, didn't want to break up the marriage, backed off when he asked her too. Rudeus was in a weakened state, or he would have stopped Roxy otherwise, because he does love Sylphie, but he also loves Roxy, so it wasn't like sleeping with a prostitute. And Elinalise suggested that they get married, which is way better than an affair or cheating, Rudeus would need to take responsibility for his actions.

I hope you have a good day.

@ejleon I'm shocked people are championing this response but this is MT fanboys for you. Line by line.

I know the characters and she pretty much did as he legit just laid there. She was also aware of his mental state. This isn't much different than a guy picking up a girl that just dump her old boyfriend.

I mean he couldn't do much due to his mental state. So, I don't think his response and answer is a bad thing he is just rolling with it. Keep in mind, I don't blame Rudy for this. He should say no though as it is scummy to do this to someone.

Did it though? I made clear in my post that there are ways to do this without sex. You are just basically justifying her actions. Damn then Elinalsie just needed to suck his dick when he nearly died that time then. Since people are really trying to tell me sex is a coping method to get over massive amount of griefs while forgetting it is a physical display of effect between two people.

Ah yes victim blame the dude going through life changing events as he just laid there. It's so his fault Roxy fell in love with at sight all because he saved her. I mean it's nice Rudy is going to ask for Slyph's approval but I think any decent woman is slapping the shit out of him. Either way this makes Rudy look very weak.

Just because it has happened in history doesn't make it okay. I hate when people use that argument. I was pretty clear on why I didn't like this and it's crazy to see fanboys of this show cook up bizarre defenses to defend any poor writing decisions it comes off as being fake deep and not seeing the situation for what it is a woman taking advantage of someone. I am shocked anyone would try and argue sex as a way to cope with massive amounts of grief.