| I want to ask this question to people who don't like morally disgusting characters. Let's have a debate. |
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| People who hyperfixate on one negative trait, that is early dropped and does not come back, pretending like show is all about that, while completely dismissing the rest are bad actors, who do not deserve attention they seek. If that's what you are asking for. |
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stop being a weakling and enjoy the anime. the world isn't sunshine and rainbows. there is no super good guy or super bad guy. Everyone has motivations and different morals. stop pushing your woke agenda on fictional characters.
| @ReyielGun Tbh, this is what I wanted to say to those people that hated Mushoku Tensei because it featured Rudeus being this morally disgusting person and how they emphasized this is a man in a child's body. I put this forum out there because I wanted to find those exact same people that argue Mushoku Tensei is bad because of Rudeus. |
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| An anime is bad if it has a bad response to it. If the general viewership dislikes it, it’s probably a bad anime. If everyone loves it, it’s a great one. What the anime contains, whether it be nudity, a morally psychotic person, or just a rapist… doesn’t matter. It can still be a great anime. |
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| I have heard that this anime is about an old man reincarnated into young boy's body and since he has his memories intact, he comes into borderline sexual contact with young girls which poses a moral quandary. This would be an interesting case study. Since an approximate opposite of this also exists. I have heard of a manga called "Kodomo no Jikan" where a mature teacher is attracted to a teenage kid in his class who behaves in a much more mature way than other kids her age. So comparing these two together, we can see that there are 2 separate criteria for this. Are we looking at the physical age or mental age? If the physical age is the morally correct criteria, then there is no need for any controversy regarding Mushoku Tensei. Yet such a controversy exists. So I guess ppl are looking for the mental age. But this would mean that Kodomo no Jikan is a normal romance manga which is also not the case judging by people's reaction about that. If we are to balance both physical and mental ages, we get a normal romance story which no one really has a problem with. So I guess it depends on who uses which criteria to judge the anime. In my opinion, how far the fictional story and plot execution holds up is what makes the difference between a good anime or a bad one. Good guys don't always win. Bad guys don't always lose. Some ppl get punished for their bad actions. Some others get away with it. If the story can make sense even from the point of view of an atrocious scumbag, it's worth watching. If we let our moral standards affect our sense of entertainment, it will lead down the rabbit hole of having no portrayal of anything that any of the audience may find as offensive including murders, gore, torture, glorifying violence, lucky pervert scenarios, underage alcoholism etc. |
| Best ending line in anime history = "My name is Saiki Kusuo. I am a psychic." |
| I dunno about it being good or bad, but I'm less likely to watch the anime if it has a repulsive character like Rudeus as the main protagonist. That said, I don't care about MT at all and usually avoid all discussions about the series for my own good. |
StyxParadiseOct 11, 2023 11:17 AM
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| It's never about the character being a good or a bad person, but how the work portrays this. I don't think MT is bad because the protagonist is a bad person or for simply having sensitive themes, but because i think it portrays all this very bad. |
Saimatsu_Fan said: Piromysl said: People who hyperfixate on one negative trait, that is early dropped and does not come back, pretending like show is all about that, while completely dismissing the rest are bad actors, who do not deserve attention they seek. If that's what you are asking for. the last time rudy even " assaulted " someone was eris in that episode at the beginning when she was dueling Rujerd and.........uh.. that's it ? he never does anything to anyone again lol heck, what he did to the cats doesn't even count Yet we still have this debate even in second season. ANN even tried their usual stuff by deliberately strawmaning author's statement and lied in weekly review about what happened within the episode. This is a majority of those, who criticize Mushoku Tensei. Just bad faith. |
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Saimatsu_Fan said: Piromysl said: Yet we still have this debate even in second season. ANN even tried their usual stuff by deliberately strawmaning author's statement and lied in weekly review about what happened within the episode. This is a majority of those, who criticize Mushoku Tensei. Just bad faith. it says something when Vinland Saga S2 had Einar and Thorfinn Literally praise Ketil and say that " he's a good master " despite him being a rapist and doing other vile things but Rudy frees a slave one day and suddenly all hell breaks loose Rudy wasn't even the one who bought nor owns her, but Zenoba does. Rudy is just teaching her magic. ANN deliberately lied about that as well. |
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| Not necssarily. Series like The Sopranos have characters who are pretty morally bankrupt. Seeing these characters react to given situations and learning about who they are is interesting. You are not suppose to think Tony Soprano is right in many situations or even forgivable, despite him having positive character traits to make him out to be human and not an outright monster. Of course, the issue with this fandom is that many hyperfixate on the idea that many if not all criticisms of this series is based on people finding Rudeus so morally repugnant as to render his depiction of him and characters like him worthy of some censorship. To me, this is a strawman. I criticize Rudeus of course, but I do not oppose the legality of the depiction of a character like Rudeus anymore than I do for Tsubame from Uzamaid and Satou Matsuzaka from Happy Sugar Life, both of whom are fundamentally much worst than Rudeus. It is such an easy out to negate or not interact with criticism of this series on a fundamental level to pretend every critic has a problem with the mere depiction of Rudeus. Part of me wonders if you made this post for validation rather than discussion. For me? I really do not like Rudeus as a main character. He is annoying. Part of this is of course tied to his perverted nature. Part of the reason I dislike the anime is the degree of ecchi I have seen in the first season. Overall? I don't find Rudeus really engaging, and this to me seems due to the fact that his character arc is an amoral one focused on him overcoming his self-esteem issues and accomplishing something in life. Now, having him be amoral is not bad in itself, with an isekai The Saga of Tanya The Evil using this to great effect. The issue is that to me the anime seems focused on having Rudeus simply do stuff rather than actually grapple with what made him so pathetic in his previous life. He may have his moments of self-doubt yes, but it hardly if ever leads him to reconsider his actions in the previous life and his responsibilities for his own failings. He just has moments of self-doubt and just...moves on. A character like Rudeus to me demands greater levels of introspection than what the anime has given me, and it is so farcical. Maybe being a sex obsessed otaku with a lolicon fetish is not a recipe for success. I wish the series did much more than simply having Rudeus do stuff, because I think there is a ton to be said and do with a character as flawed as Rudeus, things that would make the series fundamentally more discomforting while at the same time of greater substance. There is also the issue that the anime also doesn't go out of its way to condemn the actions of various characters, and yeah, I think moral disagreement is a proper means to dislike a series, even if I am not fond of the actual reasoning. I mean, I do not like The Idol because of how it glamorizes rape and abuse as good things. |
PeripheralVisionOct 9, 2023 12:08 AM
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| The anime is bad if the morally bad character is not handled well, and thats what happens in MT, first season was fine but second season is pure garbage writing. For whole 12 episodes all we get see is Rudus crying about his insecurities, the plot didn’t move an inche. |
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RopeBuny said: Paindora said: I don't like this type of character from the get-go, but in Rudeus case this is different. He has to work his traumas and bad behavior in new environment. Yeah, he and some other characters here (i.e. his father) are morally disgusting in some instances but that doesn't mean the anime is bad (I quite enjoyed it a lot). I think it even adds some flavor to the watch, a spark of realism maybe (not everyone here is automatically bad or good like a black and white picture). There is a fine balance here, I think. How is his father disgusting? Apparently bringing a character who spent his entire life in medieval fantasy setting to modern day morals is logical thing to do. |
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| Nope. But if it relies on degeneracy and/or corny writing, sprinkled with some Power-Fantasy Dialogue, to the point where it is it's main-feature, I think calling it bad isn't surprising or entirely wrong^^ |
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| No. Only if the story in which the character exists celebrates it. |
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