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| Really enjoyed that I think the scene at the end with Suzume and her younger self really made the movie and tied it all together nicely. Not just from a time loop perspective, but also in that it was nice to see a modern Shinkai movie where there are character arcs that aren't just all about the central romance, it made Suzume feel a lot more multi-faceted compared to the likes of Taki, Mitsuha, Hodoka or Hina. Easily the most emotional scene in the movie. One thing though, where Tenki no Ko was playing Radwimps songs every 2 minutes, this movie had the opposite issue, there are some goddamn lovely songs on this OST. Shame to have them all play one by one in the credits rather than in the actual movie. But the score was also very nice, so that kinda made up for it. Good stuff, will rewatch some time |
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| For a Shinkai movie, it's... ugh... Let's just say its visuals carried so that it's a very good movie instead of a merely good one. That it's Howl's Moving Castle or Bubble but written by Shinkai post-2016 is the best summary I can make of it. I watched it in English dub. The VAs are good for the most part. I felt the writing/dialogue let the voice acting down if I'll be very blunt. It's that atrocious for someone of the director's caliber. It may better serve the story if they kept the dialogue to a minimum and leaned instead on "show don't tell". Edit 1: Good points: Visuals, cinematography, humor Bad points: Dialogue, pacing Edit 2: |
mo_laveApr 15, 2023 9:37 PM
| I saw it today. I loved it! Great characters and interesting story. I thought it was better than weathering with you. |
| Crunchimation strikes again. Nearly the whole entire movie Suzume's lip dubs were so noticeable. Mostly any of the cast, you could feel it be expressed from their bodies or at least be fine or serviceable. Still, it looks visually pleasing as the last 2 movies when looking back to one of his older films like 5 Peggies per Centimeter. I also felt like the male love interest's voice hard carried out of the 3. But the supporting cast was solid. |
NonAtmosphericApr 16, 2023 1:14 AM
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| This was wonderful. Makoto Shinkai and the whole team did great! =) |
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| This is, so far, my favorite movie directed by Makoto Shinkai. I love how all the action intertwined with the love story—a little bit of a coming of age, too. I teared up in the end. |
| Finally watched Suzumu no Tojimari last night! I think it was a great movie, but at the same time. It recycle the same themes from his last two movies (Kimi ni no Nawa/Tenki no Ko). I feel like that's one of the reasons why a lot of people are not liking it. I still think it was a great movie when it comes to visuals (As usual). I do hope Makoto Shinkai will experiment more for his next one! Tenki no Ko is still my favorite work from him!! It will be a long time till it gets topped. But, I'm glad the movie has sold extremely well (Overtook both Kimi ni no Nawa/Tenki no Ko even!), so they should have no problem funding their next project! https://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2023/03/27/suzume-passes-weathering-with-you-to-be-8th-highest-grossing-anime-film-in-japan 8/10! |
| I finally had time to catch Suzume in the cinemas here in the U.K. My mother was highly looking forward to it after liking Shinkai's previous works, Your Name and Weathering with You. To keep a post as short and simple as possible, I really enjoyed it. Me and my mother watched it with the English Dub audio, as she would struggle to keep up with the subtitles otherwise. Either way, I felt that the dub performance was very solid and consistent overall. =) The visuals was simply a masterpiece, though. Considering how gorgeous the production values Your Name and Weathering With You had, the staff at CoMix Wave Films really outdid themselves here with how beautiful the visuals were, the camera work and animation in both 2D and even the CGI, too. There was a lot to take in with the story, but as a whole, I think it worked out really well, from the odd comedic moments, to the more serious and sad parts of the film. I think I'll settle with a 9/10 for now, which is a score that I'll probably stick to in the future. |
| Weird movie. How magic was introduced was nice: with cats and bright lights and metamorphosis, that's how magic should be: a goofy inanimate object chasing after a feline divine herald. But then action gets in the way of magic. No problem since there's romance as well, right? But the action gets in the way of the romance too. As the running away turns into a fugue, we grip at the main character expecting either the closure or the moving on promised by the title, but there again any form of introspection is delayed until the very end. Running away becomes the movie itself. While constructing the movie around this gives off a certain shallowness that is reminiscent of Millenium Actress, here it manages to turn the instinctual fight-or-flight response into a single flight-and-fight one that more than anything anchors the movie into a coming of age story (while metaphorising quite well how teens usually overcome double-bind situations like being in the foster care of a relative). And best of all the Radwimp boss kept the pop rock to a minimum. Interesting movie. |
EratiKApr 17, 2023 4:18 PM
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| Man, this is probably the first Shinkai movie I disliked. it wasn't bad on any technical level, the animation and funny moments were spot on like his other films but I was able to call one of the big reveals pretty at the start of the film... not a bad thing but it kind of ruined the charm and surprise I would have had. gonna sit on it some more but for now it's a 5/10 can't really recommend watching it more than once |
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| My second Shinkai movie to watch in theaters (after Weathering with You) and it didn't disappoint. The visuals were top notch, the BGM resounding and the characters rather playful. Although it felt short regarding it was on whole journey from west to east. While his other movies focused on characters around the lead, this one solely focused on the leads. Also is this still considered the third of trilogy? There does not seem to be any past character appearances in this one rather than the fact the MC's town felt nostalgic. |
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| Looks beautiful. Sounds wonderful. Makes me feel that these resources could have been better invested in something with a better story and more worthwhile characters. |
| 8-9. Was an enjoyable movie and it didn't really leave me bored when I was watching it in the cinema. The comedy parts that were done in the movie were really well placed and actually made me laugh. Production wise in terms of sound, animation, etc. is all top-notch just like the previous two movies. |
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| Much better than Weathering with You, which was needed since that movie kinda made me doubt Shinkai. I love that this movie was a little more "action" than the previous two. In terms of OST, this is easily the best of Shinkai. Maybe only disappointment is the main track of the action scenes being repeated, but since it's an amazing track I was fine with it. Also liked that there was almost no lyrical song in this, since that would ruin the tone. The plot is simple but captivating. Was scared it would be repetitive but after 40-50min the movie takes a turn and it's focused in one thing. The main emotional impact comes from the use of real life events and I loved it. Watching this on Imax was worth it and it made me dream that in an ideal world, we would have gotten SNK Final Season Part 3 as a 2h30min movie released worldwide in the same day. But I guess I'd be happy only to see more anime movies on Imax before they are released on Bluray |
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| Beautiful visuals as always from Shinkai's movies. But from the ones I've seen this one is the weakest storywise. It's still a good watch. 7/10. |
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| First Shinkai movie I saw in theatre. Positive impression NGL. IMO still not even close to beating "your name" but certainly an improvement when compared to "weathering with you" - IMO "weathering..." was the weakest of his works. Romance made 0 sense here, but apart from that it was a pretty entertaining and exciting journey. I suppose the anime will be more emotional for the Japanese, considering it touches topics such as devastating Tohoku earthquake, as well as towns, villages, amusement parks being abandoned. xD Shinkai is cursing Tokyo hard though, lol. Flood, major earthquake, what's next - nuke? |
| Today I went to the movie theater to watch this movie and it was awesome! |
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| While I found Suzume to be the weakest lead character among the three recent Shinkai films, and I wasn't particularly keen on a lot of the yelling Souta's name, I understand that the story is about her overcoming trauma which she had kept locked. In my opinion, I think this was done very well. I cried buckets at the end when Suzume talked to her child self who had just lost her mother and was looking for her. The grief of losing someone and having to continue on without that person was really well done and something I could connect with. And really, just the fact that it was a young child in all her desperation to look for her mother who is gone is enough to make me cry. And particularly when Suzume tells her younger self that she will grow up and things will turn out okay, that really home. Daijin was a really interesting character. It seemed ambiguous whether it was an antagonist or not, but when Daijin became all emaciated because Suzume said she did not like it, I couldn't help but cry. Daijin's personality was very child-like, it wanted to be loved and it wanted to play. It never asked to be a keystone, locked for all of eternity, and when Daijin was released, it enjoyed its freedom. In the end, Daijin knew that Souta was more important to Suzume than itself, so it became the keystone again. I also found it interesting that Suzume asked Daijin, "Do you want to become my cat?" Which I think we're suppose to connect with when Tamaki asks Suzume, "Do you want to be my daughter?" (iirc, or maybe it was "to live with me"). The significance of this line is that it comes with responsibilities. You sacrifice some things when you take care of another, such as freedom, and there are some times when you may even feel annoyance–whether if you think your cat is acting out, or if you realize your time or youth is being taken away. Shinkai had said in a few of his Suzume interviews that he felt that Tamaki was the most relatable character to him. I'm glad he portrayed such a relationship between Suzume and Tamaki, and it was heartwarming to see them make up. (LOL at Serizawa playing the "Stop Fighting (けんかをやめて)" song in the car though) The themes of depopulation, abandonment, and natural disaster, particularly 3/11, was an incredibly emotional one. Even though I didn't personally experience it, it's still incredibly sad what happened, and when you, as the audience, hear all the voices and see all the families saying the daily "ittekimasu" and "itterasshai" to each other, knowing that they might never seen each other again. Additionally, the scenery of the area after the disaster could be beautiful to some (Serizawa), but terrible to others who experienced it and were directly affected by it (Suzume). Related, but this was an interesting insight on the places Shinkai chose for Suzume and Souta to close doors at: I also remember checking Twitter the day the movie came out in Japan, and I saw a lot of people saying that the earthquake alarms and 3/11 was really haunting to them (even though it the movie's alarm sounds were completely original as to not actually alarm the audience), or it reminded them of the trauma of the natural disaster. But I think even without that knowledge, or connecting the events of the movie to reality, one can really relate to the theme of loss and moving on in the movie. Also interesting to read that Shinkai "wanted to tell a story about grieving over these places. When a person passes away a funeral is held for them, yet when people leave and regions become abandoned, there are no ceremonies to commemorate the loss." (Source: Animation Magazine). Lastly, I wanted to briefly mention the relationship between Suzume and Souta. While the first meeting between the two seemed to prepare you for a romance between them, I think ultimately, that's not the case. She did kiss him to wake him up once as chair, but the obvious age difference aside, the last line of the movie, Suzume saying "okaerinasai (welcome home)" to Souta signifies to me that they are important to each other like family. Of course you also say that to your partner if you live together, but in this case, where it is unclear if Souta romantically loves her, as well as the importance of family to Suzume (her mother and aunt), it fits much better for that to be meant in a familial way rather than romantic. It's also incredibly wholesome to think of the ending that way as well. Now that I think about it...the door has multiple meanings, closing doors to give closure on things before moving on and opening new doors, and it's a symbol of everyday life, a place where people say "ittekimasu/itterasshai/tadaima/okaeri." |
| Honestly, I really can't see how Suzume is a better film than Weathering With You, let alone Your Name. The character dynamics are the weakest, the romance is the least believable, the side characters are forgettable and unimportant, everything happens for no rhyme or reason (most of what happens is thanks to the whims of Daijin as opposed to the actions of the characters), the doors and having to close them feel more like a plot device to get the characters moving from one point to another than anything else, and there really isn't any serious consequence to any of their actions (everything goes back to status quo at the end). Here, it felt like there were the least personal stakes out of all three movies, and they didn't connect very well to the wider external stakes either. In a direct comparison to Weathering With You, Hodoka and Hina's relationship was built up over the course of the entire movie, and we get why Hodoka wants to get Hina back so desperately. In Suzume, the latter half of the movie really fell flat because of the lack of that initial build-up. More importantly, in Weathering With You, they literally screwed up the entirety of Tokyo and countless lives in order to get back together. Not only is that a refreshingly ballsy decision, allowing the audience to ponder if they made the right choice or not, but their actions also had consequences. Suzume was like if Weathering With You allowed Hodaka and Hina to get back together and have Tokyo somehow have amazing weather as well. Yes, I agree that the film did a good job of showing Suzume overcoming her past trauma, her relationship with her aunt, and the effects and impacts of natural disasters. However, I felt like everything else was sacrificed just for that. A much smaller and more personal movie might have been able to do just as good of a job, if not better. My opinion might change on a rewatch and further analysis, but that's my current opinion. |
| Suzume no Tojimari I finally saw it. What a beautiful movie, I loved it. It was very entertaining, very beautiful and the animation is TOO AMAZING. Very good.  |
| Just a random thought that's been bugging me since finished watching the movie last night.. Isn't the chair a paradox on itself then? Like, how did it lose a leg then? If "Present" Suzume have no recollection on why it has three legs, and "future" Suzume gave it already three-legged to "past" Suzume, isn't the giving and receiving of past and future selves make it a "perfect" loop in which then that makes it an object without an origin? I might need to give it another watch just in case maybe. |
"The sun rises today and sets again. A flower that bloomed in the morning, falls from its stem. The sun sets today and rises again. Flowers bloom to fill the land, but not the flowers of yesterday..." |
| why are the top reviews not recommended and mixed when this has a 8.5 lmfao |
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| Movie felt like a mess for me, and didn't have any sort of entertainment or interest value that even Weathering with You did ironically to make up for the mess. Visually one of the least impressive movies I've seen from Shinkai, makes me actually miss the earlier showings like Garden of Words which I really loved back in the day. This looked more flat, had some awkward CG that was noticeable easily while in the theatre and overall, the presentation felt lacking. I feel like the themes that the movie was tackling sound interesting on paper, but are a lot for a 2 hour film which resulted in sacrifices and a messier story overall in the process. Some of the people that Suzume met along the way in her long journey were kinda dope but had very short roles and only returned with the ED, and Serizawa too. |
| It was good, but definitely not one of my favorites of his. Was anyone else confused by the cat? Why was it so chill with people dying wholesale, then one 10 second fight with the other cat made it behave? |
| Kind of dragged towards the middle but I really enjoyed it. I'd put it behind Your Name but in front of Weathering With You. |
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| This is the 2nd anime movie I've ever seen in a theater. Really enjoyed the experience! q(≧▽≦q) |
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| I saw it in the cinema's today and wow, It was truly an incredible experience for me, I have loved Shinkai movies before and he delivered once again. I love how Suzume is so determined and caring to help Souta with closing the doors for the curse that wanders Japan. The movie itself even had some funny parts in it, like when Chika was crying and Souta was a chair and everyone looked at them like "what is going on?" lol. I must admit that i didn't like Daijin at first because i thought that he was the villain but he only tried to guide Souta & Suzume towards the doors that needed to be closed. The ending was beautiful imo and i loved it. I admit that even the children were quite funny when Suzume was in their home, caring for them. Suzume took a big role in her to save the world, otherwise many people could've died if the worm fell down, and the scene where Suzume rescues Souta was truly heartwarming. Also Makoto Shinkai knows how to make his movies beautiful, whether its scenery or animation, he truly nails it and i appreciate his work fully, also huge respect to Makoto Shinkai's team who made this incredible movie and plot. |
__andre__Apr 21, 2023 11:13 AM
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| Was greeted by some nice scenery, and a little girl wandering through the plains. But then I hear a "mommy? mommy?".... in english. F*ck. I had unknowingly bought a ticket for the dubbed version. I was legit thinking of leaving the theatre and buying another ticket for the subbed version, but I decided it would be too much of a hassle and ended up staying. And I'm glad I did. This audience was pretty lively. Having a theatre that really laughs at the jokes and audibly responds to major events in a movie can alone enhance the viewing experience imo, and it did in this case for sure. Anyway, a few thoughts on the actual movie: I did enjoy it. Definitely felt better finishing this than I felt with Weathering with You, but still doesn't top the emotional highs found in Your Name. And maybe it's just my theatre which was very responsive to the jokes, but I think it was actually pretty funny when it meant to be. It's a Makoto Shinkai film so of course we don't even need to mention the visuals. There were several shots where I responded in my head with just "wow". Sound design was orgasmic at times imo. Loved what I heard every time Suzume locked a supernatural door with the supernatural key (which, is different from the keystones I suppose, although they essentially perform the same purpose?). Ok but that "worm" thing though? Looked like a dong. Especially the one in Tokyo, where it rises and then kind of just stays there for a moment, fully stiff like a morning wood. While we're in the slightly lewd talk, yes sir Suzume does indeed sit on the chair-guy. Thought they wouldn't actually do it, but they did. Some guys sitting behind me literally said "ayo?". As long as you go into this casually to have a good time, it will be a good time and you will most likely enjoy it. There's some technical things I don't quite understand which is not worth getting into, and some character motivations that maybe I don't quite buy. Suzume likes chair guy kind of out of nowhere, but it's okay, it wasn't like the romance in Your Name was well developed either. The thing is, she kind of puts the fate of the world at stake for this one guy. I guess love will prevail, and love conquers all. And, the cats, er, keystones/ex-keystones? What's the deal with them? Can they like, just go back to their place so none of these catastrophes would happen? Or is the point that they want to be free? Because it seems like the willingly returned to their keystone forms at the end there. What led to that being so I'm not sure, I didn't pick up on anything. Maybe they're just there to give the audience a sense of mystery, like who and what are these guys? What is THEIR goal and objective? Why did it turn Souta into a chair? Did it just not want to be the keystone anymore? I thought there was going to be some sort of reveal of their identities, like maybe one of them would be Suzume's mom. But no, they're just, cat-keystone-things. Also that confrontation of Suzume and her aunt made it seem like her aunt was being mind-controlled or something. Whatever it was, it's kind of shrugged off, and the proceed on their road trip. Which, maybe felt kind of random, but I liked it. Chair-guy's friend (sorry I don't remember names) is cool, and his car is certainly a piece of work LOL. Just like after watching Your Name and Weathering With You, I'm left wanting MORE after watching Suzume. Which is, both a good thing and a bad thing. Wanting more of something shows that it is good, but on the other hand, it's not quite satisfactory, which isn't so good. I will say that out of these 3 movies, this has to be the most satisfactory out of them. And that's probably because Suzume actually feels like it has substance, like it has weight, because there's a real event at the centre of it all. People's lives were at stake in this one, far more than in Your Name. Protecting people was more of a forefront objective of this movie rather than its romance, and that gives the film a bit more meaning behind it. Also it seems like they were actually trying to get deep, profound, and thoughtful towards the end there. Maybe I'm overthinking it and it really does simply boil down to Suzume telling her young self that everything's gonna be okay, just some words of comfort, nothing more. And even if that's just the case, then it already has gotten more meaningful than anything we've seen yet from Makoto Shinkai. As for Suzume herself as a character, I think she's the one I like the most out of all Makoto Shinkai's main characters. I haven't seen ALL of his films, but I can quite confidently say for myself at least that Suzume feels like she has the most character out of everyone I've seen. Or maybe she's just really likable. Either way is a win. Definitely gonna re-watch it later, immediately as it's available on digital, but subbed this time lol, where maybe I'll enjoy it even more. Until then, I'll leave it with an easy 7. Won't necessarily call it a good movie, but I did really enjoy it, and hey that's all that matters really. 7.5/10 Think I'm gonna go re-watch Weathering With You, it's been a minute since then. Maybe I won't dislike it as much this time. edit: just re-watched weathering with you, and damn, I actually really liked it this time... maybe a little more than suzume actually?? I think the first time I was just expecting too much from a writing standpoint. But just going into it completely vulnerable and ready to let the emotions flow, it's pretty good actually. |
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