The Case Study of Vanitas
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| I wasn't aware I was watching Diabolik Lovers. |
| I didn't expect Vanitas to kiss Jeanne. This anime is so random lmao. |
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That kiss scene between Vanitas and Jeanne really suacy. Really didn't expect Vanitas to go in like that. |
| That kiss scene between Vanitas and Jeanne really suacy. Really didn't expect Vanitas to go in like that. |
| I had this show rated highly, but I put it staright down to a 6 because of that forced kiss. Sexual Harassment is never a good plot device. |
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| The kiss scene surprised me, it seemed like Jeanne became helpless after being sexually assaulted by Vanitas LOL. btw I like how Jeanne's shy expression is when Vanitas kisses her. |
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| The kiss scene is very satisfying. Bones do their job well, but it's a shame they cut off the fight between Jeanne and Noe. |
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| Lots and lots of style. |
EeveeRosa said: Snow_dropindo99 said: it is needed to build a romance between the two later, and that is the beginning. You didn't understand, I said the kiss was bizarre because they didn't have any chemistry, they didn't know each other before, and it seemed like the guy forced it, it was almost like a harassment, because he didn't even ask, it was totally one-sided, even if she liked it, it was just a consequence. I mean, is it really so sad to kinda sexually harass the woman that fully tried to murder you 15 minutes ago Even after the kid told her to not murder them she still went for it lmao |
| Oh la la, I knew Vanitas would kiss Jeanne. It was in this man's personality, his style is frivolous for sure wow. What an interesting person. Then we go onto some more exposition and other shit that leads the duo into Altus. Well, let's see what happens next. |
Rojaseb said: I mean, is it really so sad to kinda sexually harass the woman that fully tried to murder you 15 minutes ago Even after the kid told her to not murder them she still went for it lmao Uhh, yes? Also it's not "kinda sexually harass", it's clear assault. Misunderstanding or no, the reason she tried to take away the book of Vanitas by any means necessary was a well-intentioned one. There is no well-intentioned reason to sexually assault someone who isn't even a threat and is immobilized. Not to say being a threat warrants it, but this is even worse. I do hope they don't build romance on top of that. Jesus. |
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Auron_ said: Rojaseb said: I mean, is it really so sad to kinda sexually harass the woman that fully tried to murder you 15 minutes ago Even after the kid told her to not murder them she still went for it lmao Uhh, yes? Also it's not "kinda sexually harass", it's clear assault. Misunderstanding or no, the reason she tried to take away the book of Vanitas by any means necessary was a well-intentioned one. There is no well-intentioned reason to sexually assault someone who isn't even a threat and is immobilized. Not to say being a threat warrants it, but this is even worse. I do hope they don't build romance on top of that. Jesus. How is she not a threat if she tried to murder him Also they do build a romance, as you could probably tell by how much she liked the kiss. Which is unfortunate since it was forceful but at least it was just a kiss. I've seen worse in manga. |
Rojaseb said: Auron_ said: Uhh, yes? Also it's not "kinda sexually harass", it's clear assault. Misunderstanding or no, the reason she tried to take away the book of Vanitas by any means necessary was a well-intentioned one. There is no well-intentioned reason to sexually assault someone who isn't even a threat and is immobilized. Not to say being a threat warrants it, but this is even worse. I do hope they don't build romance on top of that. Jesus. How is she not a threat if she tried to murder him Also they do build a romance, as you could probably tell by how much she liked the kiss. Which is unfortunate since it was forceful but at least it was just a kiss. I've seen worse in manga. She's poisoned, has trouble moving, and surrendered because the boy is held hostage. That's textbook being incapacitated. This is true in real life too. If an assailant attacks you, but is then defeated by you and restrained, you don't get to do whatever you wish with them because they posed a threat to you at one point. No, I really couldn't tell. |
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Auron_ said: Rojaseb said: How is she not a threat if she tried to murder him Also they do build a romance, as you could probably tell by how much she liked the kiss. Which is unfortunate since it was forceful but at least it was just a kiss. I've seen worse in manga. She's poisoned, has trouble moving, and surrendered because the boy is held hostage. That's textbook being incapacitated. This is true in real life too. If an assailant attacks you, but is then defeated by you and restrained, you don't get to do whatever you wish with them because they posed a threat to you at one point. No, I really couldn't tell. This is a fantasy world, attacking people doesn't mean the same to them as it means to us. Why are you applying XXI century logic to a world with vampires and superpowers. Also the fact that you're ignoring this woman is a mass murderer just because she got kissed against her will is so dumb. Anyways, done talking with you after this. |
Rojaseb said: Auron_ said: She's poisoned, has trouble moving, and surrendered because the boy is held hostage. That's textbook being incapacitated. This is true in real life too. If an assailant attacks you, but is then defeated by you and restrained, you don't get to do whatever you wish with them because they posed a threat to you at one point. No, I really couldn't tell. This is a fantasy world, attacking people doesn't mean the same to them as it means to us. Why are you applying XXI century logic to a world with vampires and superpowers. Also the fact that you're ignoring this woman is a mass murderer just because she got kissed against her will is so dumb. Anyways, done talking with you after this. It is a fictional work created by an author to appeal to people in the real world. Of course it's going to take into consideration real world sensibilities. Being fictitious or fantastical doesn't mean the characters' motivations and morality are utterly alien to the consumer. If that were so, nobody would consume fiction, since they wouldn't be able to connect to it. Berserk is fantastical, doesn't preclude you from being able to assess Griffith's character or actions. Or Redo of Healer with Keyaru. What relevance does her character have on whether it is right that she be sexually assaulted? I hesitate to ask what you think should be the treatment of criminals... |
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| Omg, just when I thought how cool it would be if Vanitas kissed her there and then, and prepared for it to stay as my fantasy only he actually did it! Great series so far. It has such a nice feel to it and a relatively interesting story too. I like the characters and animation very much as well. |
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| Wow, the big kiss scene with Jeanne xD and that Dominique girl also looks interesting, same for the alternate city. |
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| I have so much mixed feelings on the kiss. It looks a very forced. But i guess it’s too early to judge. |
| mfw after the kiss scene: |
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| A very good, impressively drawn and animated episode that was unfortunately marred by that kiss. I do not have a problem with the kiss itself. I realize it was meant to convey that Vanitas is a perverted, morally compromised creep at best (I wonder if that's why Noé 'slays' him at the end). What I had a problem with was the lack of any actual protest from all the other witnesses of the kiss. They were 'shocked' ... and that was it, they moved on like nothing happened. At the very least we found out who/what causes the curses, and at the end we saw the 'Altus Paris', which was truly a sight to behold, though I did not quite get what that roof / sky(?) above it was supposed to be and/or made of. I read that episode 5 serves as kind of test on whether one should continue this anime or not. So I'm moving on to watch the next two episodes while I have supper. xershey said: I have so much mixed feelings on the kiss. It looks a very forced. But i guess it’s too early to judge. It was not merely 'forced', it was a sexual assault. In the real world at least. Even for anime standards it was way too creepy. Was the kiss fair game because the 'vampire witch' tried to kill Vanitas and Noe? You know, as a kind of 'compensation'? I have no idea but I suspect that Vanitas did not kiss her due to that. |
SharpedonOct 27, 2021 6:35 PM
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| Yeah I'm on the side of "that was assault and made me uncomfortable" in this debate. Highlighted how Vanitas may have a ton of flair but he really is a huge jerk, ugh. The worldbuilding was nice though. Learned a lot about Noé. Bloodreading huh... good excuse for some more bite scenes... 😳 |
| Oof, that was on heck of a kiss, leaving aside the circumstances. Still, Domi putting a collar on Noe like that, she's definitely dominating. |
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| Any vampire tale is only as good as its lore. Thankfully, Vanitas no Carte's does not suffer from the conventional tales and stories associated with vampires. |
| “Why does an apple fall when it is ripe? Is it brought down by the force of gravity? Is it because its stalk withers? Because it is dried by the sun, because it grows too heavy, or because the boy standing under the tree wants to eat it? None of these is the cause.... Every action of theirs, that seems to them an act of their own free will is in the historical sense not free at all but is bound up with the whole course of history and preordained from all eternity.” ― Leo Tolstoy, War and Peace |
| So is the vampire world is just the reverse-normal world that is exclusively for vampires? How did that even come to be? Is there an Altus Asia or something lol |
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| To think Vanitas was that smooth by going from being the prey to become the hunter with how he stole that kiss from poor Jeanne. |
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| Vanitas really is great at coming up with beautiful poetry just to, probably coincidental, to make a girl fall in love... but he seriously did that huh... lol Domi is kind of a sadist... Wait... Domi...? Like S = Domi and M = Noé...?! lmao They really added that Childhood friend stuff but I guess she will be shipped with Noe And Jeanne for Vanitas... umu... |
CrazyButNot4UJun 18, 2022 5:56 AM
| It's not that I dislike this genre but... to add unnecessary fan services to/in/for heroines and ultimately destroys her character and personality; their purity tarnished because of it, is the only thing I hope to not happen to them. For that sole purity is my fan service. |
| my jaw is on the floor....... this episode caught me off guard ngl |
| That kiss was too intense and long, bro made a vampire out of breath. And that kid has a crush on Jeanne for sure. And the background music was great too. |
Mariasz said: Yeah... agreed. That was so uncomfortable to watch.Snow_dropindo99 said: it is needed to build a romance between the two later, and that is the beginning. You didn't understand, I said the kiss was bizarre because they didn't have any chemistry, they didn't know each other before, and it seemed like the guy forced it, it was almost like a harassment, because he didn't even ask, it was totally one-sided, even if she liked it, it was just a consequence. Sad to see that this show didn't live up to the expectations, episode 1 was fine but everything after that gradually went downhill ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Oh well. |
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| The show has started to delve deeper and darker into the fear and history of the oppressed Blue Vampire species. The red vampires who've witnessed the power of the Book of Vanitas are still skeptical of its curing abilities, But this calls only for a short period after the successor Vanitas displayed its power to the overseers, I'm sure he's proud of making this revelation among many ignorant I'm sure hehe~ Noe is a character really required for this, he adds extra spice to the show imo. I'm really psyched for the next one now! And sheesh the kiss scene was rather unexpected. |
| "All things, be they divine or mortal, find their ultimate end. It is not a harsh punishment, but a merciful pardon."  |
| Vanitas WHAR BRO IS WILD silly parade |
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| Jeanne was really pathetic. She couldn't even kill the two when she still had killing intent in episode 2. Now she almost wets herself when Vanitas intimidates her a little. Did she fight 1000 vampire toddlers in the war? Or are ordinary vampires really that weak? Why hype up a character, when they immediately go down like chumps? This doesn't make Vanitas seem more competent, it makes everyone else seem less competent. |
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