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May 18, 2021 9:27 AM
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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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That's the vengeful Sawa I know. Blue eyes filled with anger and with a purpose. However, it seems that spending time with Asahi gave her a final moment of mercy and hesitation.

Not going to lie, watching Sawa's continuous struggle with herself and feelings was touch to watch. This show is like a curse to her...Sawa's journey, personal vengeance, life, etc.
May 18, 2021 9:27 AM
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The way that the heartless Makoto shape-shifted into a fox-ninja demon and literally forced Saa to summon her blue blood as an act of revenge, that's quite the bigotry from a peaceful life to yearning for one with a sole mission. Yelp, sike for losing more people: first Asahi, and now Makoto.

It's only thanks to Jin that Sawa is given another chance to live, and she is left alone once again to lament on past deaths that deserve a second life better than her. Try as she might commit suicide to forgo her original mission, Yukimura's life has been one much of tormenting situations one after another, and releasing all that pent-up frustration with him (real name Iori Makabe), they're peas in a pod one way or another.

Well well well, not all players are exactly dead, not just yet as a farce plot device.
The last job, most likely with Book 3 for the final quarter.
May 18, 2021 9:59 AM
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From putting yourself into Yuki's perspective, it's crazy to think how many people she used to care about have died. She has lost so many loved ones. I felt really bad for her. To escape from this reality, she tried to take an easy route, taking her own life. Luckily, Jin rescued her in time.

Glad to see that at least Jin is taking care of her and understand her feelings quite well. But, looks like he's off to one last job there at the end. And, Elena is also alive. What a surprise!
May 18, 2021 10:03 AM
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And she still has to live, a tough life that she has. Struggling and struggling while losing people dear to her.


“You yourself have to change first, or nothing will change for you!”
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May 18, 2021 10:42 AM
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I don't know how to feel towards Makabe: I hate him, yet I don't know anything about him...besides this, an episode that touches very deep themes such as the meaning of life, suicide, the loss of a loved one, really beautiful!
May 18, 2021 10:51 AM
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I'm seriously wondering wtf is the point of this show.
May 18, 2021 10:52 AM
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Heaviest episode (so far). Filled with emotions and gosh it's so pitiful to see Sawa like that...
May 18, 2021 11:56 AM
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Damn.

That was just endlessly depressing ouch.
May 18, 2021 12:19 PM
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Man, Asahi better be alive too, for me this show's score is solely depending on that.
KanameYuukiMay 18, 2021 12:27 PM
May 18, 2021 12:43 PM
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Damn. Sawa just can't ever catch a break :/

Let's hope that the next job is really the 'final' job...
May 18, 2021 12:51 PM

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That episode was good. I can tell they used all of their budget on this one episode. This show loves killing off characters doesn’t it?
under”Mebius” is my salvation


May 18, 2021 1:15 PM

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Sawa's tsundere boss, is so unpredictable that I don't have the idea about his real deal.
May 18, 2021 1:29 PM

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"One last job" said every dead guy ever
May 18, 2021 2:53 PM

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Makoto did take a crow from the top rope into a gaping hole in the chest, so that's a little more like it, but you can only kill and revive main characters so many times, and right now, the number of named characters who have stayed dead after totally for real being killed is still well under the number who have popped right back up no worse for wear. Still, at least someone did end up with a gaping hole in the chest, so we can count that as a vaguely positive thing.

Anyway, after the welcome brief return to action at the start, the rest of the episode was unfortunately re-consumed by Sawa continuing to exististentially despair. So much for this arc being about her getting her assassin groove back. It's fine for the hero to lose their way after a setback, but at some point, they're going to need to come back from the brink, rediscover their purpose and reason for existing, and take control of their destiny again. Sawa spent this entire four episode arc wallowing in misery, and come out the other side… continuing to wallow. She didn't grow as a character from these struggles or find new purpose from the hardships. So what was the point? To kill off a kid? Maybe? If Asahi is even really dead?
May 18, 2021 4:25 PM

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Confusion. I understand Sawa's pain, it must be very hard on her. How did Elena survive, didn't she get brutally murdered or something, that sure was a surprise. Also like hope Asahi survives.

Has a 8.60 mean score
Akasaka > Other Mangakas

May 18, 2021 5:02 PM
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Well, this episode 8 is by far the most successful of all, both for the plot and for the animation. Makoto's death was inevitable. Life was a sad theater where everyone had a role to play according to her, and this is how she orchestrated her end. Moreover, the design of her fighting form has nothing to do with the previous episode, with a very badly drawn face. Here, it's successful and I even find it beautiful.
I'm not surprised that Elena is alive. It's the only character who isn't dead under our eyes. We only saw some hair sticking out of her shroud.
What is Iori's plan? To bring down the shogun he has protected so much? That's all I can think of at the moment.
It's a strange anime in the sense that it's very irregular in its construction and in its narration but it's still pleasant to see.
May 18, 2021 6:21 PM
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I don't even disagree with Sawa's suicidal decision considering everybody close to her keeps getting murdered, always in some connection with her clan's blue blood. She won't get a break for sure anyway, not that there are many people left, even including Elena.
It still annoys me how pointless the whole thing with Makoto arc was, at least Makoto ended up NTR-ed even in death - killed by someone else while Sawa was thinking about Asahi.
May 18, 2021 6:33 PM

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The fight between Yuki and Tsuki was a bit underwhelming, but what the fuck was that at the end of it that killed Tsuki. I’m pretty sure that has never even been mentioned before.

I didn’t expect Jin to be so comforting to Yuki and I called Elena still being alive a while back.

Honestly, I’ve been wavering between dropping this series for most of the time I’ve been watching and at this point I might just have to watch it to the end.
May 18, 2021 7:26 PM
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Every episode leaves me with a number of questions, most of which can be answered with "because these crazy writers said so." However, there are always those others that will probably never get answers:

With Elena alive, does this mean the guy she was with is alive as well? You would think that I should be able to infer that he too is alive. However, given what little we really know of Elena and her ability to have lasting emotional attachment to anyone, it could go either way. Either they are both alive, or she alone is alive and couldn't give a damn about him being dead.

Why did Jin call Elena back for one last job? / What kind of job would she be willing to do while heavily pregnant? She clearly has already set limits, given that she already told him she wouldn't sleep with him because she was pregnant.

What was with the skeleton found in their house? / Which character will have been secretly dead this entire time, and whose identity is used by another character? My money is on Jin being Sawa's brother.

Where the hell is this plot going, given that we only have maybe three named characters with plot significance remaining and no other characters of potential importance?
May 18, 2021 7:35 PM

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Man, the world sure hates Yuki. I'm still hoping Asahi is alive since we only saw Jin carry out one body.
Maybe the Makoto's cat fused with her and healed her? We saw it healed Makto's arm. Or maybe Jin gave Asahi the last blue pill. He took one himself and I don't think he'd have a need for another. Elana is still alive, that much was obvious.
May 18, 2021 11:50 PM

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could’ve swore it was supposed to be obvious Elena lived and whatever dead body that was found wasn’t actually her but simply a body double since she ran away from the association
May 19, 2021 3:48 AM

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I think it is quite obvious, that Asahi still lives and Makoto helped her fake her death again.

May 19, 2021 3:48 AM
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Man this episode was beautiful, tragic, but beautiful.
May 19, 2021 4:22 AM

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I'm seriously wondering wtf is the point of this show.


There is no point. The storyline is a shambles.
May 19, 2021 4:44 AM
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I really liked the actions of the episode, it is clear that there was a lot of information about the previous events.

I do not understand anything, practically does not explain what is happening with the plot of this work.
May 19, 2021 4:46 AM
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SkwebSalt said:
I'm seriously wondering wtf is the point of this show.


There is no point. The storyline is a shambles.


True from the beginning I don't understand anything about the events.
May 19, 2021 6:29 AM

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My god, why does this show keep trying to put a plot twist in our heads every 5 seconds? It has no impact, I don't know how someone managed to be sad or angry about the events or deaths, they were all spread out by the Episodes in a lazy way hoping that something would work out, I can only think of one thing every time I see an episode of this anime and it is:
May 19, 2021 7:15 AM

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Well, that was pretty depressing. Great episode! Best episode so far. And the fight looked beautiful, though I wish the sound effects had a bit more oomph into them. Damn, so is Asahi really dead? Though I wouldn't rule out Tsukishiro doing some fake death fuckery again with Asahi. Didn't expect Tsukishiro to get doughnutted by a gigantic monster crow, that thing's probably gonna be important.

Sawa's life is nothing but pain, that I wouldn't have minded if no one stopper her from drowning herself, you can't blame her. I am guessing Iori's lover is one of Sawa's people or she might even be related to Sawa. And as expected, Elena faked her death, presumably with the help of Iori. That must be the end of book 2, looking forward to book 3.
May 19, 2021 10:11 AM

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I don't understand the confusion about the plot and where it is going, it is quite evident. The only thing barely detailed is the political stated of the country and the mistery about the organization.
She'll probably find a new reason to live, but it wouldn't be a bad thing if it didn't happen
May 19, 2021 1:39 PM
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My confusion comes from the motivations of some of the characters, especially Tsukishiro. She was obsessed with Sawa and wanted to help Sawa get revenge? But she also wanted to be Sawa’s center of attention which conflicts with the revenge part (esp cuz Tsuki was doing things in secret to help Sawa). Tsuki wants Sawa to be happy but then she doesn’t with no real explanation on what changed, unless you count the secret info she found from the 3rd item of the treasure hunt. Tsuki thinks Sawa still needs to get revenge but had no plans to explain why or who also had a part in the killing of her clan. So which is it? I understand that motivations for characters can evolve but this show seems to be changing them just because they want to add another random plot twist.

‘You’ve always been strong and beautiful’ - strong since when? Sawa was never shown to be emotionally strong and she struggles in every single fight. She has no real growth and the only time we saw her somehow get stronger was half-way through her fight with Janome.

Also, why did Hana and Sawa hate each other? They briefly touched on that in their ‘goodbye’ but it seemed like such a weak reasoning compared to everything in the world around them.
May 19, 2021 4:11 PM

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xoxogirl said:
My confusion comes from the motivations of some of the characters, especially Tsukishiro. She was obsessed with Sawa and wanted to help Sawa get revenge? But she also wanted to be Sawa’s center of attention which conflicts with the revenge part (esp cuz Tsuki was doing things in secret to help Sawa). Tsuki wants Sawa to be happy but then she doesn’t with no real explanation on what changed, unless you count the secret info she found from the 3rd item of the treasure hunt. Tsuki thinks Sawa still needs to get revenge but had no plans to explain why or who also had a part in the killing of her clan. So which is it? I understand that motivations for characters can evolve but this show seems to be changing them just because they want to add another random plot twist.

‘You’ve always been strong and beautiful’ - strong since when? Sawa was never shown to be emotionally strong and she struggles in every single fight. She has no real growth and the only time we saw her somehow get stronger was half-way through her fight with Janome.

Also, why did Hana and Sawa hate each other? They briefly touched on that in their ‘goodbye’ but it seemed like such a weak reasoning compared to everything in the world around them.


Yes, the trigger for her change is omitted, but the dichotomy of his desire to give to Yukimura happiness and freedom vs his obsession with her that was always there. This obsession grows while she has a mental decline from pain and allusions.
It's before those moments that she gives him the poison. In parallel, she discovers that Yukimura isn't free yet, which we see in this chapter where the place where she live was also part of the organization, that makes Sawa go find Yukimura and want to run away with her because everything is a lie (Part where Sawa literally says "you are fragile, but strong"). Faced with her refusal, she does not say anything to her and takes a monstrous form as a visualization of victory of her desire over reason, as in Dororo and in so many other similar anime. Yes, not great not terrible.

The great mystery of the series remains the organization, politics and the importance of her clan as supposedly revealed by the third treasure.
May 19, 2021 5:32 PM

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If Elena returned then maybe there's a still a chance Asahi will...nah, better prepare for the worst.
Let's see how the last book will wrap things up.
May 19, 2021 11:48 PM

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so there's no hope of Asahi rising from the dead huh...
instead they made Elena alive huh...
1/5.


May 20, 2021 8:30 AM
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How awesome the story would be if in the scene in the cabin, after being saved by Kuzuhara, with the pieces of the cup laying around, Sawa decides to stab him in the back. As he lays down dying, she tells him: "so my destiny is to be a murderer, thus I will become the best one. I promise you I'll kill Tokunawa and it will put an end this regime once and for all..." so the following episodes we'll se how she completes her revenge...
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May 20, 2021 6:05 PM

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that was the most emotional episode by far, hearings words like those are sometimes real comforting to me i hate it. but ah.. of course elena is still alive, and asahi also probably is too. makoto's villain shit is still really ?/??? to me, but that shot showing that makoto had a robot(?) hand, what's that supposed to mean did i forget a plot piece
May 21, 2021 1:20 AM
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so there's no hope of Asahi rising from the dead huh...

Asahi's body was not shown. As was her funeral. She might be alive.
but that shot showing that makoto had a robot(?) hand, what's that supposed to mean did i forget a plot piece

Apparently, Makoto's prosthesis became such after the transformation.
May 22, 2021 8:27 AM

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that was a heavy episode i can only imagine how desperate sawa's feeling right now with no one left i just wanna hug her
May 22, 2021 11:01 AM

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Sawa breakdown was quite sad to watch.
"The future is always blank. Only your willpower can leave footsteps there."

"Ruling over death means ruling over life. Death is the climax of life. To have the best death, you must honor life."
May 23, 2021 3:45 PM

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matias067 said:
so there's no hope of Asahi rising from the dead huh...
instead they made Elena alive huh...
1/5.

Come on, her death was so anticlimatic that was obvious she was alive.
May 25, 2021 8:01 AM

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I have a few things in my mind, I wonder if any of those will be proven right. Also as expected Elena is alive.
Jun 10, 2021 2:01 AM
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It's sad to see Sawa like that, she even tried to kill herself... and wow, turns out Elena is alive, wtf
Jun 16, 2021 3:30 PM

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(English) Sawa experiences the greatest suffering of her life for the second time. Losing the closest people is never easy after all...

(Portuguese/Português) Sawa vive o maior sofrimento de sua vida, pela segunda vez. Perder as pessoas mais próximas nunca é fácil, afinal...
Aug 3, 2021 11:29 PM

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this and last episode were.. oh God.. wtf... this started to go down the hill
Aug 6, 2021 1:02 AM

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I knew it! Elena is still alive and well, now hoping Asahi is also still alive...
Sad to see Sawa having lost a lot of loved ones to the point where she wants to commit suicide.

Dec 17, 2021 2:22 PM
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This is looking pretty hectic now.

Dec 29, 2021 9:58 PM
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Huh, so that temple girl was a cleaner from the organization as well...

Contrary to many, I don't think the storyline is bad. The setting is what's lacking. The worldbuilding is in shambles and many things are left underdeveloped.

That clip of Sawa crying in her sleep was sad.

Huh, so Elena did survive. Interesting.
I guess the "No Corpse, No Death" rule was broken.
May 12, 2022 5:08 AM

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Feeling bad for Sawa in this episode

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