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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Anyway, I was very surprise particularly at the very very end with Ryoko’s pregnancy. Kyo would likely be the father, but they don’t show Kyo anywhere in that future scene. By the lighthouse ruins, it would seem that many years have passed now, so there’s no guarantee that Kyo is still alive. But it’s at least implied that Kyo is the father, and that regardless of whether or not Shizuno got a real body, he ended up with Ryoko. Speaking of Shizuno, they sneakily answered the question of where her name came form posed back in episode 20. They don’t verbally say it in this episode, but the credits of this final episode lists Kyo’s little sister’s name as Sogoru Misaki. Although the kanji are different, it would seem that that’s where Kyo got the name from. Incidentally, Kyo’s little sister is so cute! She would have easily become one of my favorite characters in this series if she had appeared earlier. As for the overall ending, I was quite happy with it. Not only did they give an exciting end that wrapped things up nicely, they also put in a few small surprises. It was nothing big such as having Shizuno end up with Kyo or something, but they still managed to give Shizuno a fairly happy ending along with the rest of the Oceanus crew. Some of the best endings are ones where you go in not sure what to expect, and come out pleased with what you saw, which is what was the case for me here. |
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| Just finished this show in a marathon. The ending(even show overall) was, good, not amazing but good. It's indeed unclear if Kyo is still alive but I hope he is but we will never find out, also the thing that Lu Sheng said at the end towards Shizuno was nice I guess that was to give the ShizunoxKyo ship hope :p personally I like 'em both but tend to go more towards Shizuno. In the end a decent show which deserves a 8/10 from me ^^ |
| Finished this from morning to evening, I surely regret it, but I enjoyed a few scenes, only the last few episodes, which actually got interesting to me, everything else was trash. I'd rate this 3/10. I probably would've rated it lower, but the last few episodes changed my mind. I gave it a low score because of personal feelings. I disliked, or you could say hated the characters, Kyo and Ryoko. I hated Kyo because I felt that he was too simple, and I've seen a lot of characters like him and I'd say they are way better than him. I would've loved this show if Kyo's personality, his original one didn't change. Since I'm a fan of Kyo (the original one, with the first memories) and Shizuno. It really could of been interesting, and much better for me to watch this if Kyo only kept his memories when he basically died the first episode. Basically the first 20 episodes or less were a total bore to me, I couldn't stand watching, only a few scenes from those episodes were decent / good. The last few episodes were good, but ehhh-like. I also hated Ryoko, that type of character is way to common, and typical. I also hated her appearence, to me she looked ugly, well not ugly but way below average for an Anime character. Seriously, I think she looked the worst in appearance out of all the girl characters in this Anime, only including the main characters and support characters, not random civilians, etc. I also hated her hair, way to short. I hate that kind of hair in Anime characters, basically I hate short haired girls (only in anime), but it depends on their personality too with their hair, since I like a few characters from different animes with that kind of hair style. I hated the very ending, well I really didn't care anymore, when they showed she was pregnant. In the end, the best I would rate this is 4/10, but I'm going to rate it a 3 or even a 2, since most of the episodes to me were pointless. Well, I'm only rating it on personal feelings, but If I had to rate it normally, I can't even do it. Episode 26 was good, but hated the ending, especially when it showed Kyo and Ryoko, well only those parts, since I am a fan of Kyo (the original) and Shizuno even though Kyo (first memories) wasn't basically shown in the Anime, only a few 10 second scenes. Oh yeah, hated the action, only the first 20 episodes or less. They say he was better with Ryoko, saw nothing that even changed in their fighting skills, looked exactly the same, which pissed me off. All that changed when he switched Wizards was how much they killed and the preparations. The fighting needs way more improvement, but the last few episodes of it were decent. In the end I really don't regret watching this, since I learn new stuff from Animes I finish. |
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| Was Kyo dreaming about his family from the server? I don't quite that that part. Overall, great story although the ending could have been a bit better (I root for Kyo x Shizuno). The pregnancy scene implies Ryoko is already a human (evident from the cup of water) but since she's alone, Kyo could be either: 1. went swimming (lol) 2. dead 3. after having fun with Ryoko, he went to find Shizuno for some more fun XD (afterall, he got the job of increasing human population) :P |
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| ah i remember watching this when it was airing at that time it was hard to get used to and understand everything, but since then i have re watched it like 4 times not to understand it but because it was good, whenever i felt bored i just re watched it, second time around was when i finally under stood it also the end its clear its Kyo x Ryoko, also it probably didn't take that much time to humanize everyone, the tower had weed growing on it and stuff but that amount does not = a long time, it was less then 5 years for sure. anyway it was a fun series. |
| Very nice series ^^ I like the way how they think "life" is and how "life" suppose to be .. The ending weather report is fantastic LOL |
| ugh so in the end Kyo got own by aging >.> and he got Ryoko prego then how is that possible oO |
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Setsia said: ugh so in the end Kyo got own by aging >.> and he got Ryoko prego then how is that possible oO it didnt really show what happend to kyo and since ryoko is pregnant that could only mean that he is alive. anyways that was a great show i really enjoyed it |
| I didn't expect this show to be this good ... you know there are hundreds of mecha anime and i've liked maximally 3 of them so far, this one was one of those 3 ;) Hey i don't think Kyo has aged to death yet. He said 2 more years to met them while he seemed to be under his 30 at that time(or did i get it wrong?), Maybe he just got eaten by shark while swimming in ocean,you know how he loved to have a swim, haha just kidding around :P than We got pregnant Ryoko saying things like "This world is full of light" . Can there be connection to that wanna-be-immortal bad ass girl? They always kept talking about missing light thing. And Ryoko said "I will never forget your Name!" right after her death. Maybe Ryoko planed to name baby after her, i wonder if there's connection. I miss "everyone human again" part... it would be awesome to have some specials about what happened when they again could touch things, how they had problems with real bodies or How they started to rebuilt that city of theirs :) |
( Currently interested in OP MC genre. Recommendations are welcomed, preferable those yet not on my list ) |
| I didn't expect this show to be this good ... you know there are hundreds of mecha anime and i've liked maximally 3 of them so far, this one was one of those 3 ;) Hey i don't think Kyo has aged to death yet. He said 2 more years to met them while he seemed to be under his 30 at that time(or did i get it wrong?), Maybe he just got eaten by shark while swimming in ocean,you know how he loved to have a swim, haha just kidding around :P than We got pregnant Ryoko saying things like "This world is full of light" . Can there be connection to that wanna-be-immortal bad ass girl? They always kept talking about missing light thing. And Ryoko said "I will never forget your Name!" right after her death. Maybe Ryoko planed to name baby after her, i wonder if there's connection. I miss "everyone human again" part... it would be awesome to have some specials about what happened when they again could touch things, how they had problems with real bodies or How they started to rebuilt that city of theirs :) |
| ( Currently interested in OP MC genre. Recommendations are welcomed, preferable those yet not on my list ) |
| Quite decent show overall. I somehow iliked the other Kyo far more than the one usually shown, depite his really limited appearances. At that, is there somebody who can help with a particula BGM from the flashback scene, before he blows himself up? (Episode 26, Minute 2:48-4:34) I just can't seem to find it on the OSTs >-< It sounds closest to "forget me not", or rather almost a shortened Version of it, but somehow this shortened Version sounds more dramatic. =X |
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| very underrated show.. the plot alone is better than most mech series out there.. |
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| A satisfying ending tbh although I feel like this series didn't click with me at some variances. I thought the premise of the original few episodes were good but later on seemed to drag out. The romance in this series didn't work out though from my perspective, it just didn't. Even the aquarium episode and some of the beginning ones didn't seem to connect. I'm not too surprised though as romance isn't really a major theme in Zegapain. Still, it didnt work. Other than that, it was nice watching some of the mecha battles and I loved the fact that they added in the sports theme of swimming to balance out the science fiction a bit. Zegapain did that part quite well. Overall for me, 6/10. |
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Stark700 said: A satisfying ending tbh although I feel like this series didn't click with me at some variances. I thought the premise of the original few episodes were good but later on seemed to drag out. The romance in this series didn't work out though from my perspective, it just didn't. Even the aquarium episode and some of the beginning ones didn't seem to connect. I'm not too surprised though as romance isn't really a major theme in Zegapain. Still, it didnt work. Other than that, it was nice watching some of the mecha battles and I loved the fact that they added in the sports theme of swimming to balance out the science fiction a bit. Zegapain did that part quite well. Overall for me, 6/10. I felt the opposite about the romance. It developed very believably and realistically, slowly over time with some sudden jumps. They were practically a couple from the beginning so seeing them finally acknowledge that and realize it over time - as teenagers would tend to do - felt very natural and nice to see for once. They even fool the viewer into believing miss generic is going to be the winner in terms of the love triangle - and then actually let the girl who deserves it and who realistically would get it be the victor, they even end it off with a shot of her pregnant. I'm not accusing, assuming, or anything else - but it sounds like you were just a fan of the other girl instead of Ryoko and that may be why you didn't like that aspect so much. Or that you simply weren't interested in the romance aspect to begin with and so just hated it when it showed up because you were watching for mecha which is just bad judgment (in terms of watching a show with aspects you dont like being mixed in - which is just you watching a show with things you don't like, not the show doing them badly). The romance was always, from the start, a very key big aspect in the story and was actually more well done than many romance stories in FULLY romance focused stuff. It just seems like it wasn't what you wanted out of the show, which feels bad to judge the series based on. |
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| Yes I think I'm going to give the show a 7 too, it's a shame since the first half had such potential but I agree with everything Andrew just said. - The CGI was out of place and annoying - The battles were CRAP (from a mecha anime perspective) they were just boring and repetitive - The ending was rather cliche and essentially they pulled the same old contrived ending that many 26 episode shows decide to do when they're left with a 4-5 episoides. - Characters were needlessly secretive towards the end, at the beginning their secrecy was explicable by kyo's lack of mental composure but by the end some things came out....waaaay later than they should have (things that actually endangered the mission) and this was done as a SHAMELESS PLOT DEVICE. I thought the characters in Zegapain were very cliche too Kyo was your typical easily hyped shonen lead with no brain cells whatsoever. The only character I actually thought was well done was Kaminagi, even though she fits the osananajimi cliche perfectly I thought the way she was executed was fresh. 7/10...part of me feels like giving it a 6 but I must say that the first half of the show was really quite impressive..so 7 it is. |
| This show gets a 7 from me, Imo the first half of the story was an absolute drag and Kyo didn't help with his ignorant whining, "That's impossible!" x232, but the 2nd half was a huge improvement and Kyo came across more mature and likable when he finally showed real resolve. |
| I surprisingly loved this show. What got me hooked was the plot. The whole "meta-bodies" stored in a quantum super server was an interesting subject. The series started off a little slow the first few episodes but picked up when the story starting developing. My only problem with this series is the mech fights. Reused animations and some boring fight sequences were a little off putting. The romance in my opinion paced out pretty nicely throughout the show. I'm not much of a mech fan but I enjoyed this one. This show is definitely underrated. |
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| Very good stuff, one of the few mech titles where I really dug the romance. The complex setting didn't cause the story to collapse under a load of plot-holes as well. Not sure what the point of that last 20 seconds was though. CGI was a load of bullshit considering Sunrise made Aquarion a year before this and that one had muuuuch better CGI. Still a 8/10 title |
gedataJan 28, 2015 10:24 AM
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| I'm really surprised of how underrated this show is. Zegapain did everything with what it had but if even that is not enough then what is? I guess it was worth digging for some older titles cos nowadays anime suck. |
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| Definitely underrated anime, too bad because a lot of people hate mecha. But this was more about sci-fi than mecha, and one of the best plot that I've seen. 7/10 overall - I would rate this 8 or 9 if the action and animation was much better. |
blessofcurseJul 5, 2015 7:54 PM
| AND TIS FINISHED <YET HAS JUST BEGUN! Finally I have completed a series that, without me knowing, came out almost 10 YEARS ago and I just began this year (2014 for those years from now reading this lol). I highly enjoyed this show; the ideas, the names and symbolism, of course the intro song and the first outro song were gorgeous! I shall always fondly remember this show, and with a personal 8.5/10 ( 8/10 with the modern scoring system T.T) it shall be in the top 50 favs out of the hundreds of anime I have watched. With an ending that concluded that all was well on earth again; everyone reborn and new life awaiting, it was a simple but satisfying ending. PE@CE YALL ^~^!!! |
| It took a while but finally finished this show. I think the biggest problem with this anime were the characters. They never felt anything more than archetypes. which is why I couldn't care about any of them. Except for Kaminagi. She wasn't exactly a complex character, but much more interesting and likeable than the rest. The generic villain with a god complex didn't help either. Still, it was entertaining and I did enjoy the show. The romance was also surprisingly good, despite how annoying Kyo was, which again was mostly because of Kaminagi. And I'm glad they didn't end the show with an open ended love triangle. Overall, it's a generous 7/10 for me. |
| quantum/10 data too sporadic give me a fish, and i'll live for a day teach me to fish, and i'll live for an hour in the end wat/quantum fuck |
| Really underrated show but also so much wasted potential. I usually dislike mecha shows and avoid them but somehow came across this one and picked it up. I'm glad I did. The general idea for the mechas is ok I think and for the first 20 episodes this had much more focus on its sci-fi aspects than on the mecha ones. The overall setting and story was very well done for a long time. There have been small hick-ups and breaks in continuity here and there but it didn't too much damage. Only for the last few episodes the writers decided to go all nuts and create an ending full of asspulls and plotholes. It's sad because it's not like they wrote themselves into a dead end like in so many other shows. They had tons of options to end this series in an interesting adn captivating way but they didn't. I'm also a bit sour that they had some nice set ups for characters psychological development and didn't go through with it. For example Ryoko being only available in the mecha or the death of arque. I'm still giving this an 8/10. It was a very good show for a long time and I enjoyed it a lot most of the time. For the overall show, the bad ending hadn't too much weight. I just created a sour after-taste in my mouth because it could have easily been so much better. JK said: /snip Wtf did I just read? |
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| Amazing ending to arguably one of the most underrated anime series ever. Deals with important themes such as dualism and identity in a really efficient way, whilst managing to be really fun for the whole ride. About the only thing that's bad in it is its production values. Engaging yet incredibly sentimental, Zegapain manages to get an 8/10 and become one of the shows that no one should miss. |
Vhailor said: It took a while but finally finished this show. I think the biggest problem with this anime were the characters. They never felt anything more than archetypes. which is why I couldn't care about any of them. Except for Kaminagi. She wasn't exactly a complex character, but much more interesting and likeable than the rest. The generic villain with a god complex didn't help either. Still, it was entertaining and I did enjoy the show. The romance was also surprisingly good, despite how annoying Kyo was, which again was mostly because of Kaminagi. And I'm glad they didn't end the show with an open ended love triangle. Overall, it's a generous 7/10 for me. Pretty much this, it was a fun enjoyable ride but had a hard time giving a shit about the characters even now at the end so overall I gave it a 7/10. |
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| This show had an interesting premise and a good plot. It did sci-fi mecha in a very good away. Unfortunately I have agree with the posters above, the characters were extremely flat and uninteresting. Specially the show's main characters. Ryoko has to be Hana Kana's most boring character performance ever. |
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| Very very strong Anime. Although boring at times, and riddled with plot conveniences during the end of it's run, I commend it for developing it's characters in a way that I have yet to see of a mecha. Great show. Also, Kyo with the long hair was funny to see. |
| Meh, overall im unimpressed. The series had an interesting "the matrix meet mecha" concept but is unfortunately handled with little finesse. Most of the characters were forgettable.. Not to mention the plot conveniences throughout. :/ 5/10. Wasted potential. |
--PhantomJul 3, 2020 7:17 AM
| I enjoyed it. It's story and themes were pretty interesting. The battles weren't very interesting and Sunrise's penchant for shamelessly re-using animation is in full display here. The characters weren't very interesting either. The side cast are woefully underdeveloped and Kyo was actually way more likable in his first re-incarnation. I didn't care for the romance either. 6/10. |
| The main theme pretty much shifted midway point, which makes sense since the mistery of what's the "real world" is unveiled, but I think they could have done more with that concept. Story-wise, this anime isn't bullet-proof, but it wasn't atrocious. Overall I'll give it a 7/10 since I expected better, but wasn't really disappointed. |
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