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| THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER. ---------------------------------------- Welp, that got dark fast. Rize reminding of Kaneki what he did and how he became the character he is now. That was some mindfuckery right there. |
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| Oh jesus no, ken don't fold, you said you'd press forward, grim determination ken |
  come, you sweet hour of death |
| Dictator on approach, really good chapter. |
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| What happened to “I’ll press forward like a centipede” Kaneki? I hope he changes his way of doing things now. |
| Rize is as good as ever. Amazing chapter, goddamn Ishida! |
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Bowman145 said: What happened to “I’ll press forward like a centipede” Kaneki? I hope he changes his way of doing things now. Exactly what I was thinking too. This dude goes through so many character changes that its just silly now. His character has become so predictable. I hope we get Dictator Kaneki now and its his final "form". Sick of this wimp Kaneki (worst version of him by far, felt like he regressed completely). |
Aardwolf94Jan 29, 2018 11:19 AM
Aezeryel said: Though I wonder why she said he shouldn't have done anything from the start, considering she was the one who told him the opposite when Yamori killed the mother and child. I think that since Rize is just a representation of the constantly changing resolves of Ken then it's logical that she would change what she tells him depending on the given situation. In Jason's case, Kaneki was still completely weak in every aspect, so he figured out that he should grow stronger at that time. And now while he has gathered strength and followers, he still got screwed. So it's just him swinging back and forth between "I should've done" and "I shouldn't have done" in the form of Rize mind-screwing him. |
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| Kaneki we have been through this already the bitch is a illusion like the hide was during the Arima fight. If there is a time to man up and cut the bullshit its now or you have lost the real war. Well his reaction was expected about the killing people thing I would of loved to have seen him fought back a little after all he has been through but oh well lets have despair. I still don't think its his fault the Rize here is like a toilet the only thing coming out of her mouth is shit like what you hear on a tumblr analyst about how Kaneki is wrong and Furuta was in the right. I can safely assume Kens illusions are Ishidas self insert at this point. |
Cyborg_Dragon said: Kaneki we have been through this already the bitch is a illusion like the hide was during the Arima fight. If there is a time to man up and cut the bullshit its now or you have lost the real war. Well his reaction was expected about the killing people thing I would of loved to have seen him fought back a little after all he has been through but oh well lets have despair. I still don't think its his fault the Rize here is like a toilet the only thing coming out of her mouth is shit like what you hear on a tumblr analyst about how Kaneki is wrong and Furuta was in the right. I can safely assume Kens illusions are Ishidas self insert at this point. Kaneki's character is just going in circles. We have already been through shit like this. I don't even see what the point of Chapter 144 was, whatever happened to “I’ll press forward like a centipede”? Ishida just doesn't want to let Kaneki actually grow up for some reason and keeps shitting all over him just because. |
| The mindfuckery continues. Kaneki's reaction once he saw what he did through Rize was pretty much expected. He blames himself now that his plan to make both ghouls and humans coexist led to this tragedy. I wonder how things will go from now on. |
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| Absolutely brilliant! One of the best chapters of TG:RE Mindfuckery is something Ishida is noticibly good at. |
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Aardwolf94 said: Cyborg_Dragon said: Kaneki we have been through this already the bitch is a illusion like the hide was during the Arima fight. If there is a time to man up and cut the bullshit its now or you have lost the real war. Well his reaction was expected about the killing people thing I would of loved to have seen him fought back a little after all he has been through but oh well lets have despair. I still don't think its his fault the Rize here is like a toilet the only thing coming out of her mouth is shit like what you hear on a tumblr analyst about how Kaneki is wrong and Furuta was in the right. I can safely assume Kens illusions are Ishidas self insert at this point. Kaneki's character is just going in circles. We have already been through shit like this. I don't even see what the point of Chapter 144 was, whatever happened to “I’ll press forward like a centipede”? Ishida just doesn't want to let Kaneki actually grow up for some reason and keeps shitting all over him just because. Its only going to go one of two ways I can see happening. 1. Kaneki becomes the antagonist against everyone as a new persona by becoming the dictator which rize claims he wants to be that rules the ghouls with a Iron fist as Furuta wanted of him in 101. In this scenario Furuta the meme opponent wins and Kaneki ultimately loses when he is struck down by everyone. Most people expect this scenario to happen when Ken takes the role as nameless king. People will think its cool but in the long run we will all be giving shit on Ken for turning into the antagonist, now before people say I am wrong just remember we where expecting great things of OEK Kaneki. 2. Kaneki tells this illusion to shut the fuck up at the beginning of next chapter and acknowledges that he really did the things he did for Touka and his kid and would do anything for them while also acknowledging he is a bad leader and should leave the rest to others and focus and what he really wants which is to protect his wife and kid as he cares about them more then the ghouls as was made clear. Apparently this won't happen according to some because this means Kaneki gets rid of his flaws (but in all seriousness it would be about time). How do you feel about this? |
Cyborg_DragonJan 30, 2018 2:00 AM
MonkeyDMike said: The mindfuckery continues. Kaneki's reaction once he saw what he did through Rize was pretty much expected. He blames himself now that his plan to make both ghouls and humans coexist led to this tragedy. I wonder how things will go from now on. Most people are expecting him to scorch the earth he steps upon with the next persona and be the antagonist you can see all theories for it on reddit based on Ishida illustrations. . |
| Rize is awesome! Keep pressing forward Kaneki |
| just because I’ve gotten weaker, doesn’t mean that you got stronger, does it? |
Cyborg_Dragon said: Aardwolf94 said: Kaneki's character is just going in circles. We have already been through shit like this. I don't even see what the point of Chapter 144 was, whatever happened to “I’ll press forward like a centipede”? Ishida just doesn't want to let Kaneki actually grow up for some reason and keeps shitting all over him just because. Its only going to go one of two ways I can see happening. 1. Kaneki becomes the antagonist against everyone as a new persona by becoming the dictator which rize claims he wants to be that rules the ghouls with a Iron fist as Furuta wanted of him in 101. In this scenario Furuta the meme opponent wins and Kaneki ultimately loses when he is struck down by everyone. Most people expect this scenario to happen when Ken takes the role as nameless king. People will think its cool but in the long run we will all be giving shit on Ken for turning into the antagonist. 2. Kaneki tells this illusion to shut the fuck up at the beginning of next chapter and acknowledges that he really did the things he did for Touka and his kid and would do anything for them while also acknowledging he is a bad leader and should leave the rest to others and focus and what he really wants which is to protect his wife and kid as he cares about them more then the ghouls as was made clear. Apparently this won't happen according to some because this means Kaneki gets rid of his flaw (but in all seriousness it would be about time). How do you feel about this? The first opportunity is definitely far more likely. Look at Kaneki in this chapter, he doesn't stand up for himself and just takes Rize's shit. I don't see this crybaby telling this illusion to shut the fuck up at all, especially now that he knows that he killed countless innocents. Not to mention all the art from Ishida regarding the Nameless King persona (its clearly planned). This wouldn't exactly be satisfying development but then again with Ishida's obsession with letting this story remain a tragedy (although I thought :Re wasn't supposed to be like that) it makes sense to do an ending where the MC goes full edgy and everyone turns on him. Maybe this is how peace will be achieved ? The second way would be more satisfying for Kaneki for sure (instead of just repeating the cycle it would mean he grew up) but its too optimistic. |
Aardwolf94Jan 29, 2018 3:55 PM
SeidouTZ said: Definition of insanity according to Einstein: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. You may ask what this have anything to do with this chapter, well i tell you boys and girls because Re once again proves to be the pure embodiment of insanity. Kaneki is perpetually stuck in this cycle of self doubt and desperation yet again, and his character will suffer a reset yet again because is forced to. This is not only repetitive, is unarbitrary ultimatly making the plot feel artificial. I thought i could continue reading but truth be told i am honestly sick of this. Sick of this constant back and forward, sick of looking at kaneki character and most of all sick of the way this series turned out.. so i am dropping it. I agree, this turned into tragedy porn. Back in the day Kaneki having this type of inner dialogue after a huge event was impactful and him getting a new personality made sense. Now its just repetitive and senseless, you just know that this won't be the last anyway. His character regresses & is dumbed down whenever the plot demands it. |
Aardwolf94Jan 29, 2018 9:56 PM
SeidouTZ said: Definition of insanity according to Einstein: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. You may ask what this have anything to do with this chapter, well i tell you boys and girls because Re once again proves to be the pure embodiment of insanity. Kaneki is perpetually stuck in this cycle of self doubt and desperation yet again, and his character will suffer a reset yet again because is forced to. This is not only repetitive, is unarbitrary ultimatly making the plot feel artificial. I thought i could continue reading but truth be told i am honestly sick of this. Sick of this constant back and forward, sick of looking at kaneki character and most of all sick of the way this series turned out.. so i am dropping it. I disagree, I don't think he is going to revert, too much has been put up at stack to revert. I think this is the build up to catharsis. The kaneki arc is coming to a close and while I am not certain in which way, I am certain his development is in it's final stage. Either he will break the cycle or he will die. And I for one enjoy these clear parallels, as much as ken has changed, his core flaw has not, which isn't artificial, i much prefer this to a mary sue mc who has no notable personality traits. |
come, you sweet hour of death |
Aardwolf94 said: Cyborg_Dragon said: Its only going to go one of two ways I can see happening. 1. Kaneki becomes the antagonist against everyone as a new persona by becoming the dictator which rize claims he wants to be that rules the ghouls with a Iron fist as Furuta wanted of him in 101. In this scenario Furuta the meme opponent wins and Kaneki ultimately loses when he is struck down by everyone. Most people expect this scenario to happen when Ken takes the role as nameless king. People will think its cool but in the long run we will all be giving shit on Ken for turning into the antagonist. 2. Kaneki tells this illusion to shut the fuck up at the beginning of next chapter and acknowledges that he really did the things he did for Touka and his kid and would do anything for them while also acknowledging he is a bad leader and should leave the rest to others and focus and what he really wants which is to protect his wife and kid as he cares about them more then the ghouls as was made clear. Apparently this won't happen according to some because this means Kaneki gets rid of his flaw (but in all seriousness it would be about time). How do you feel about this? The first opportunity is definitely far more likely. Look at Kaneki in this chapter, he doesn't stand up for himself and just takes Rize's shit. I don't see this crybaby telling this illusion to shut the fuck up at all, especially now that he knows that he killed countless innocents. Not to mention all the art from Ishida regarding the Nameless King persona (its clearly planned). This wouldn't exactly be satisfying development but then again with Ishida's obsession with letting this story remain a tragedy (although I thought :Re wasn't supposed to be like that) it makes sense to do an ending where the MC goes full edgy and everyone turns on him. Maybe this is how peace will be achieved ? The second way would be more satisfying for Kaneki for sure (instead of just repeating the cycle it would mean he grew up) but its too optimistic. It all depends on what happens next chapter will solidify kens fate he either lets it get to him and be the tyrant according to Furutas plan in 101 (Tragedy ending) or he actually does something against the illusion and becomes more logical and realistic in terms of goals (actual development). |
| Rize is freaking poor Kaneki out damn you bitch, I think next chapter going to be dark as well, hopefully we can see some light after the next chapter cause Kaneki went through a lot. |
| A new Kaneki will be born |
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| I don't know which would be worse, him leaving, or staying...? |
"At some point, I stopped hoping." |
| Nice chapter, been a bit burned out from :re lately, but this was a refreshing comeback to its roots, and now I hope the next chapters maintain the same quality. |
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Cyborg_Dragon said: Aardwolf94 said: Kaneki's character is just going in circles. We have already been through shit like this. I don't even see what the point of Chapter 144 was, whatever happened to “I’ll press forward like a centipede”? Ishida just doesn't want to let Kaneki actually grow up for some reason and keeps shitting all over him just because. Its only going to go one of two ways I can see happening. 1. Kaneki becomes the antagonist against everyone as a new persona by becoming the dictator which rize claims he wants to be that rules the ghouls with a Iron fist as Furuta wanted of him in 101. In this scenario Furuta the meme opponent wins and Kaneki ultimately loses when he is struck down by everyone. Most people expect this scenario to happen when Ken takes the role as nameless king. People will think its cool but in the long run we will all be giving shit on Ken for turning into the antagonist, now before people say I am wrong just remember we where expecting great things of OEK Kaneki. 2. Kaneki tells this illusion to shut the fuck up at the beginning of next chapter and acknowledges that he really did the things he did for Touka and his kid and would do anything for them while also acknowledging he is a bad leader and should leave the rest to others and focus and what he really wants which is to protect his wife and kid as he cares about them more then the ghouls as was made clear. Apparently this won't happen according to some because this means Kaneki gets rid of his flaws (but in all seriousness it would be about time). How do you feel about this? I think it's gonna be like Kaneki finally realizes that true peace cannot be obtained without sacrifice (like Kiritsugu from FZ), which causes him to not be hesitant in killing humans anymore That, and your first suggestion also seems plausible but I think it'll probably take a Code Geass approach where Ken purposely acts as the antagonist to bring peace between humans and ghouls in order to bring down the common enemy (kinda like what's happening right now) |
 'On-Hold' is another way for a completionist to say 'Dropped' |
| It's interesting that Rize, in his mind, is the one showing all the wrong that Kaneki has done seeing as she was the reason he became a ghoul in the first place.But ,in this sense, its not really Rize herself but its the fact that shes the representation of his frustration and doubt that hes been feeling in mind trying to bridge ghouls and humans together. |
| what Rize said actually more realistic than what Kaneki does, Kaneki being idealism all the time, "Create a world where humans and ghouls can live together". they might be able to work together, but live together? pretty impossible. as long as ghoul eat human, that's definitely impossible. unless if they find some drug that could make ghoul eats ordinary foods just like humans do, I think that's the only way if this series wants a "happy ending". Well, I bet it will never happen |
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| Glad to see so much Rize. Ppl seemed to forgot that the one creating this illusion of Rize is Kaneki himself. At least his subconcious mind did. He murdered tons of innocent ppl and kids. It's a fact. I wonder how he'd cope with that. Even though at the end of the day, he's just a victim, a pawn of the more responsible ppl like furuta and kanou, but still... I wonder how he'd react if he learned Hide is alive... it's the current biggest mystery imo, also the most anticipated moment for me personally... I mean, in original TG, he conjured up illusion of Hide to escape from the thought of dying... |
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| I like that Rize told Kaneki that he was about to be a dictator, if he truly wanted to talk with the CCG about humans and ghouls co-existing... I think the humans will always be afraid of the ghouls, precisely because ghouls consume humans to survive. Not all ghouls can live off the bodies of people who have committed suicide, for example. "It is precisely because you keep doing things that people keep dying." <- I love Rize's words; the harsh reality she embeds into Kaneki. It's true that if not for Kaneki's actions, everything up 'till now won't be the way they are... How will Kaneki live with the fact that he killed so many people, as the Dragon? Who could Kaneki save? How would he save them? |
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| Strangely, I love when Rize torments Kaneki lol. I’ve missed her |
| The usual Rize things. She makes Kaneki suffer everyone she talks to him.... |
| Poor Ken, but it's all the truth. But anyway, a fight was unavoidable. |
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| The emo levels are over 9000. |
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| How could Kaneki live knowing he killed so many people? The best thing he could do is just die! In fact, why not commit genocide along with his fellow ghouls so that humans can live happily ever after. Man...this manga is overrated!😒😒 |
 She got him back. If you understand the characters well enough, you'd know she did! |
| Rize would make a great instigator for the ghoul world. She really draws out the darkness in people. Definitely a lot of instigating and mind fuckery going on here. She made Kaneki reflect on his actions with one simple touch of her hand and all hell broke through. Hearing all the cries of agony and despair from people that were killed by Kaneki's dragon kakuja transformation and having to witness the dead bodies in the water. So much tragedy and destruction had been brought upon the world. Rize really called out on Kaneki for his "protecting everyone" BS ideology and laughing it off. She really became a menace to Kaneki's thoughts. |
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