Diamond no Ace Episode 58 Discussion

Kerozinn said:
saying it now..ppl will be dissapointed next week.

Kerozinn said:
saying it now..ppl will be dissapointed next week.

Kerozinn said:
saying it now..ppl will be dissapointed next week.

Sourire said:
really nice spoiler bro.

LOAD said:
Ugh :-( They're seriously throwing that intense tension they built up this episode out the frickin window?!

xahjun said:



Precisely

ijen said:
Do you know whats the most interesting thing?
It takes more than two episodes to finish just one innings.(even that's not finished yet)
This gets way beyond drama.and its getting annoying. The image in my mind of shounen is getting worse everyday.the hell with 'nakama'(my ass) and 'i won't lose next time' (even after losing 100 times).these trademark dialogues needs to change.'nakama',fuuu!!!!!
Let me onto you something,you can't win anything no matter how much trust you have on your teammates.You need skills to back you up.if you have time to waste time on relying on others you can at least do image training to strengthen your mind.'nakama'!!!! maybe i am growing up.OH boy i miss MAJOR

AJWilliams said:


Well this game started at the second half of episode 51 and now we're on episode 58 and the game is at the bottom of the eighth. Eight episodes, eight innings so I think we're okay in that aspect (for now). This is a team sport, if you don't trust your teammates and rely on them you aint gonna win nothing and I haven't seen Major but im guessing it's similar to this.

ijen said:
Do you know whats the most interesting thing?
It takes more than two episodes to finish just one innings.(even that's not finished yet)
This gets way beyond drama.and its getting annoying. The image in my mind of shounen is getting worse everyday.the hell with 'nakama'(my ass) and 'i won't lose next time' (even after losing 100 times).these trademark dialogues needs to change.'nakama',fuuu!!!!!
Let me onto you something,you can't win anything no matter how much trust you have on your teammates.You need skills to back you up.if you have time to waste time on relying on others you can at least do image training to strengthen your mind.'nakama'!!!! maybe i am growing up.OH boy i miss MAJOR

ijen said:


You can always ignore this if you don't like but the truth doesn't change.
Actually what said was that i takes more than two episodes to finish a not yet finished innings.even 8 episodes for not yet finished 8 innings are too much.but compared to before its tolerable.
MY god you just gave the statement of the year."This is a team sport, if you don't trust your teammates and rely on them you aint gonna win nothing". Have you ever played outdoor sport?from your speech its obvious that you have no experience whatsoever.if you think team means trusting your teammates and growing strong, then your dead wrong.trust just doesn't work that way.If your thinking is right lets imagine a setting where you have a team and LOTS of trust among yourselves and in important decisive moment you make some error because of your incompetence and lose something big.What do you think would happen?can you honestly say that your teammates and fans will say 'ohhh!don't mind we are a team aren't we?' i can assure you that nothing will be same again.everyone will think 'if there was someone better' whether its directly or indirectly. This is a setting but you won't under since you have no experience.Trust grows from acknowledgement of strength,skill,superiority not something like covering for others,relying on others.11X1<12+0X10.in a team game everyone will have to do their role.A strong person can change the game by himself.Do you honestly think the person who covers for your mistakes will stay in the same team always.Not a chance,either he will be promoted or you will be discarded.This is team game.All that matters is winning and if you are skilled enough you will win.So, at the end of the day,my point is don't brag about the knowledge based on animes.Anime is nothing but entertainment and its the idea of an author who may not even experienced sports.If you thinking anime is right then Japan would have been the world champions by now.So why?lack of trust?lack of hard word work?Everyone will follow you when you are strong and when you are weak you have nothing but to rely on others.And in the end by relying on others its not your doing.
Like i said you can always ignore but the truth is different.
And don't make assumption about AOD being similar to major.The only similar aspect is that both of them are baseball.I recommend that you watch major it is better than this.I like AOD and its human nature to compare with something better

xahjun said:


Sorry if I missed any key points because I just scanned through it (yeap I'm a lazy person)

Well in my opinion,
You can only trust your teammates when your team are strong. You trust them because you believe that they have the abilities to accomplish something. Lets say in basketball (well it seems to be the only sports I roughly know about) if the shooting guard has trust in both their center and power forward, the shooting guard can take shots without much stress, tension or pressure that it may be a turnover if he ever miss a shot as those two players can get the rebound. He will trust them because of the amount of training they have together, and he knows how much fight he is able to give to his opponent, and not backing down easily.

Therefore, you can't trust your teammates if you know that he/she is no match, or has great skill difference compared to his opponent. If that's the case, even if you are a greatly skilled player, you still have things here and there you need to worry about. Yes, you are still strong, but you can't maximize your full potential. And yes, you can still win if there's just one strong individual (which causes the lack of trust everywhere, however the weaker individual will maximize more of their potential, HOWEVER, it usually is not much of a help actually. *emphasis* USUALLY)

If you have a team full of STRONG players, however without trust, like one who always think "tsk if I do this myself, I'll probably do better" or of the sort, would usually messed up because there won't be "chemistry" among them. But of course, if this type of team played against a team or weak players but with good chemistry, this team can still win ( it still depends on how strong is their strong, how weak is their weak, and how bonded they are )

So putting it into this anime, with trust, they can swing with full confidence, make plays smoother etc.
Yes, this may not seem much, but between Seido and his opponents, they are BOTH STRONG. They're elites. They're professionals. So this little thing, called trust, plays a big role in them.

Because, it's STRONG + GOOD TEAM CHEMISTRY vs STRONG + GOOD TEAM CHEMISTRY
And since you can't possibly improve your skills suddenly during a match, the team chemistry is the only factor that can decide the game. To me, in this match, both teams are equally strong. That's why it's those little mistakes that cause the runs. I know that in real life, this is rare (usually we'll see the strength difference instead of "the battle of uhhh teamwork"?), that's why this anime kind of make this type of situation possible so that it's interesting to watch. It's like making aliens invade earth to gain our interest of what would happen to earth if this situation were to happen, which would never realistically happen. (uhh just ignore this line if it doesn't make sense because I'm quite bad at comparison or showing the concept sooo ya)

Lastly, I haven't watch much sports anime yet, so I may not how cliche this anime is but hey, it's because they work well and they are great that's why they are cliche, right? Maybe my opinion may not make sense to you but I think it's fine since everyone as different perspective haha

PS: I just wanna empahsise that I'm not really a great sports player so if it's really illogical to you I may be the one who's really not making sense haha but these are just my views for now~

ijen said:
Your point is simple and clear.However, your point somehow seems like based on kuroko no basket.let me tell you that anime is nuts.the powers kagami and the generation of miracles has isn't possible.the best player in the real world can't even do 1/10th of it.

ijen said:

In Baseball,a pitcher pitches.if the the opposition hits the fielders stop it.Now,a pitchers job is to pitch and not to get hit.and the fielders job is to stop the ball if its a hit.
My point no.1. would you like a pitcher who gets hit and the fielders stop it or a pitcher who can shutout the opposition by himself.
2.In a pro team,if the pitcher got hit and the ball is coming your way and you didn't stop it and let it go just because there isn't any trust between you two.Now,thats stupid.

ijen said:

At the end of the day,my point is don't try to rely on others from the start in the first place,if you can do it,do it by yourself.But we know that,that isn't possible all the time.if you get hit,your teammates will stop it.Because that's their job.Trust is irrelevant.

ijen said:

You said something about a strong team player thinking,"i can do it better"or something.what's wrong in thinking like that.if your better just prove it and you will get the better spot in the team.Do you think this will create bad chemistry.

But why that topic comes in the first place?If your not good then why are you in the team in the first place.

A strong team is combined of strong individuals.they don't need trust in the first place.Because they do their job as professionals.This is called a pro team.

Sawamura Eijun screams every time,"i will keep sending your way so thanks in advance". He thinks about relying from the start.(Now,lets not think of it as a anime but real life). All is good but when a strong batter comes and hits a homerun whose fault is that?Sawamura?the teammates?or someone will say why the batter is strong?

In a pro field,you don't play friendship games.so its better to be strong from the start.
Anime is entertainment but is far from reality and nothing but ideal.so lets not be a lunatic.Lets just enjoy without believing that nonsense