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elfos said: They were clearly several occurrences of direct interference in the episode so this does not make much sense here. Feels free to list them, but there were no direct interferences with the players that would kill them. |
Caleb8980 said: "In addition, what if it wasn't directly interfering? For example, [Heart] or [Water] which makes up our body."elfos said: Robin6128 said: FireKiller87 said: You're forgetting that air is only composed of 21% oxygen, so when they said "Oxygen", there was still the remaining components of air inside their lungs. What, and you are able to respire with nitrogen? I think he meant that your lungs won't collapse from it. Clearly you still won't have any oxygen though and won't be able to respire. NeoAnkara said: Robin6128 said: "Technically, it is impossible for any direct interference that causes the other party to be unable to continue the game."Jibril is such an annoying character. She should have died permanently. Her addiction for knowledge was not funny at all. Where he said "oxygen", he should have died. Breathing before he says oxygen should have made no difference, as the oxygen inside his lungs too would disappear? Their lungs should have collapsed, and since Jibril was run on magic circuits, she would probably live? Why is there so much crappy fanservice -___- "So no direct interference would happen to the players ?" "Yes." LN volume 2 chapter 2 part 4. They were clearly several occurrences of direct interference in the episode so this does not make much sense here. Well NeoAnkara didn't post the whole part; only direct interference that would kill is disallowed so things like removing clothes is still possible. And no the Hypernovea was NO direct interference as it didn't start in their bodies... Seeing Sora trying to grasp the rules carefully and with prudence, Jibril felt admiration and smiled, before replying back: "If that happens, then whatever that constitutes the player will be retained, but otherwise would disappear. For example, if water was spoken, water aside from your bodies would disappear, so does the heart ; as a Flügel myself, my body is generally [Elemental gallery]. so if [Elemental gallery] was to disappear, my body would not be affected in any way." More info about the rules from LN. |
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| Well, sorry to disappoint you, but this is the ANIME, not the LN. Did they say these rules in the anime? No. Someone explain to me how they were able to breathe in oxygen before, when they are so clearly in a VACUUM? |
| No words can describe how fucking amazing this was. |
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Robin6128 said: Well, sorry to disappoint you, but this is the ANIME, not the LN. Did they say these rules in the anime? No. Someone explain to me how they were able to breathe in oxygen before, when they are so clearly in a VACUUM? They were not in a vacuum. When they said Lithosphere they just removed the outermost layer of the planet, the atmosphere was still there, but now falling towards the core of the planet. The atmosphere was not removed until they said atmosphere. |
UzzaMay 14, 2014 1:59 PM
elfos said: What removed is Oxygen in the air not in their lung.Then by this rule, removing oxygen is in no way direct interference even if it removes the oxygen in your lungs in the process. |
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| How can I rate this anime less than 10 now that I saw this episode? I would rate it 11 if i could. It was amazing!! |
| I love how people are arguing about science in this anime. Can't you guys just enjoy this anime? |
| Ad Astra Per Aspera |
Dimitrije1606 said: Understanding it are part of enjoyment.I love how people are arguing about science in this anime. Can't you guys just enjoy this anime? |
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Uzza said: Robin6128 said: Well, sorry to disappoint you, but this is the ANIME, not the LN. Did they say these rules in the anime? No. Someone explain to me how they were able to breathe in oxygen before, when they are so clearly in a VACUUM? They were not in a vacuum. When they said Lithosphere they just removed the outermost layer of the planet, the atmosphere was still there, but now falling towards the core of the star. The atmosphere was not removed until they said atmosphere. If the atmosphere is moving towards the star, then we can assume that the gas particles are moving towards that, as it has the greatest gravitational force. The gases have little pressure, so that should mean they can't breathe it in, surely. The "atmosphere" itself would dissipate, separating out. And suppose that DIDN'T happen, when "gas" was said, the whole atmosphere should have disappeared altogether. That should have rendered them unable to say "Real atmosphere". |
| Got a few problems with the physics here. I'm no expert by any means so I'd usually be the very last one to pick on that kind of stuff unless it really strikes me as impossibly weird. But for Sora to remove the crust, mantle and lithosphere he had to assume they were there to begin with. Yet the Shiritori game is taking place in Disboard, right ? Afaic, he has no reason to assume this alternate world works anything like ours, at least physics-wise. For all we know Disboard could be but a flat land stretching to infinity. But I guess disbelief ain't that hard to suspend here : gotta get our epic game after all. Another minor problem I had was with the whole crust/mantle/lithosphere removal : Sora first removed the crust and the mantle before attacking the lithosphere. Problem is the lithosphere basically is the crust and the upper part of the upper mantle, so they (Jibril, Sora and co.) should have all started to fall down as soon as he said 'crust', and when he said 'lithosphere' the crust and the upper mantle should have actually come back. But it's anime, so it doesn't really matter. The game was still much much much fun. I was not prepared for the Shiro service though. I'm perfectly fine with Steph and Jibril but like it or not Sora-kun, a 11 year-old is still off-fucking-limits, regardless of whether or not she still has her lady parts. I'm also getting a bit tired of Steph's treatment, even though it's 100% played for the laughs (or maybe because it's 100% played for the laughs, I dunno...). The siblings ain't cool with her like, at all. elfos said: I'd give it a good 3.5/5 but I don't understand the 95% of 5's. You can thank Madhouse for the amazing balls visuals that accompanied the game: they helped a lot. Also, space makes everything more epic. Don't ask me why, it's a fact. |
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| That was, quite simply, brilliant. |
| It was a good episode but it would of been good if Jibril, Sora and Shiro had actually gotten a little scorched from being so close to the Earth's core as would of been the case if it was a yami no game. How was Sora able to summon a hydrogen bomb though? According to the rules you can't summon something that doesn't exist and a hydrogen bomb would not exist in the fantasy game world they are in. |
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Robin6128 said: Uzza said: Robin6128 said: Well, sorry to disappoint you, but this is the ANIME, not the LN. Did they say these rules in the anime? No. Someone explain to me how they were able to breathe in oxygen before, when they are so clearly in a VACUUM? They were not in a vacuum. When they said Lithosphere they just removed the outermost layer of the planet, the atmosphere was still there, but now falling towards the core of the star. The atmosphere was not removed until they said atmosphere. If the atmosphere is moving towards the star, then we can assume that the gas particles are moving towards that, as it has the greatest gravitational force. The gases have little pressure, so that should mean they can't breathe it in, surely. The "atmosphere" itself would dissipate, separating out. And suppose that DIDN'T happen, when "gas" was said, the whole atmosphere should have disappeared altogether. That should have rendered them unable to say "Real atmosphere". What I saw, he did not breathe in, aside of the kiss from his sister. The rules of the game state that when you say something, it either disappears or appears, depends on if it is their or not. Even though the physics says that the atmosphere would dissipate, the GAMES rules says it does not. So even though Gas was said, the GAMES rules said it would not affect the atmosphere In other words, the GAME'S rules overrule the RULES of the world. |
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Caleb8980 said: Oxygen was said...not gas and sound only needs any kind of medium to travel not only oxygen, every other collection of particles can be a medium, also there is no star. They are falling to the Earth's cor and no the atmosphere would not disperse as long as the Earth's core is still there...that core is the centre of the gravitational force hence as long as it is there gravity of the Earth is still there I meant to say air, but the point still stands. There should have been NO atmosphere after "air" was said. THEY wouldn't be able to produce the sound. They wouldn't be able to speak. I used the word "star" as someone else before me used it. ThirdEyeOpen said: What I saw, he did not breathe in, aside of the kiss from his sister. The rules of the game state that when you say something, it either disappears or appears, depends on if it is their or not. Even though the physics says that the atmosphere would dissipate, the GAMES rules says it does not. So even though Gas was said, the GAMES rules said it would not affect the atmosphere In other words, the GAME'S rules overrule the RULES of the world. They both breathed in right AFTER the kiss, where they said "Real atmosphere". That shouldn't be able to happen. Where explicitly did the game rule say that it would not affect the atmosphere? Mod Edit: Merged posts; please use the edit button. |
julyanMay 15, 2014 4:35 AM
| Oups, I'm 100% certain that I was in the process of writing planet, so no idea how I managed to write star instead. XD |
Robin6128 said: ThirdEyeOpen said: What I saw, he did not breathe in, aside of the kiss from his sister. The rules of the game state that when you say something, it either disappears or appears, depends on if it is their or not. Even though the physics says that the atmosphere would dissipate, the GAMES rules says it does not. So even though Gas was said, the GAMES rules said it would not affect the atmosphere In other words, the GAME'S rules overrule the RULES of the world. They both breathed in right AFTER the kiss, where they said "Real atmosphere". That shouldn't be able to happen. Where explicitly did the game rule say that it would not affect the atmosphere? The rule that states if the object is there, it will disappear. and vice-versa. Even though the components of the atmosphere and the forces keeping it intact were gone, it itself was not, like the example with the air prior to this. |
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helloworId said: Sapewloth said: Got a few problems with the physics here. I'm no expert by any means so I'd usually be the very last one to pick on that kind of stuff unless it really strikes me as impossibly weird. But for Sora to remove the crust, mantle and lithosphere he had to assume they were there to begin with. Yet the Shiritori game is taking place in Disboard, right ? Afaic, he has no reason to assume this alternate world works anything like ours, at least physics-wise. For all we know Disboard could be but a flat land stretching to infinity. But I guess disbelief ain't that hard to suspend here : gotta get our epic game after all. Perhaps he gathered that from episode 1 where we got to see how Disboard looked like from space. Still is an assumption, though, that Disboard's world is comprised of the same things as Earth's. He also did read many books in the prior episodes, where he learned a good amount of the world |
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| I'm I the only one who thought the circular breathing was just used as means to justify their kiss? Great episode the match was intense.Fanservice was good too. And it's official Jibril=best girl. |
dirtyuncle said: After "air" was said, the atmosphere became 100% oxygen. Sound would till be transmitted. So let me get this straight. They say oxygen, which removes all the oxygen. They shouldn't be able to breathe now. Let's say that the oxygen isn't removed from their lungs, which it should really. Saying air would get rid of all of the atmosphere leaving it just with oxygen. There should just be oxygen now. That should be DRAWN towards the core, if the crust and etc are gone. There are no particles to vibrate for sound. We know there is no atmosphere left, because when he said "atmosphere", one appeared. |
| Lol, they actually came up with a new and interesting way to show us the obligatory beach scene. |
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Robin6128 said: dirtyuncle said: After "air" was said, the atmosphere became 100% oxygen. Sound would till be transmitted. So let me get this straight. They say oxygen, which removes all the oxygen. They shouldn't be able to breathe now. Let's say that the oxygen isn't removed from their lungs, which it should really. Saying air would get rid of all of the atmosphere leaving it just with oxygen. There should just be oxygen now. That should be DRAWN towards the core, if the crust and etc are gone. There are no particles to vibrate for sound. We know there is no atmosphere left, because when he said "atmosphere", one appeared. They would have won anyways at this time, as Jibril would die first |
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Robin6128 said: Also, since the atmosphere was gone (it was clearly gone, since when he said atmosphere, one appeared), they should have suffered from hypoxia. Without the pressure, the oxygen wouldn't continue to act the way it would. The cardiovascular system would be rendered useless. When he said "Atmosphere" all gases disappeared, nothing appeared. |
Robin6128 said: Also, since the atmosphere was gone (it was clearly gone, since when he said atmosphere, one appeared), they should have suffered from hypoxia. Without the pressure, the oxygen wouldn't continue to act the way it would. The cardiovascular system would be rendered useless. But that is a direct interference, and is not allowed in the game. EDIT: missed the atmosphere appearing part. When he said atmpshere, the only thing left was the core of the world, nothing appeared. |
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ThirdEyeOpen said: helloworId said: Sapewloth said: Got a few problems with the physics here. I'm no expert by any means so I'd usually be the very last one to pick on that kind of stuff unless it really strikes me as impossibly weird. But for Sora to remove the crust, mantle and lithosphere he had to assume they were there to begin with. Yet the Shiritori game is taking place in Disboard, right ? Afaic, he has no reason to assume this alternate world works anything like ours, at least physics-wise. For all we know Disboard could be but a flat land stretching to infinity. But I guess disbelief ain't that hard to suspend here : gotta get our epic game after all. Perhaps he gathered that from episode 1 where we got to see how Disboard looked like from space. Still is an assumption, though, that Disboard's world is comprised of the same things as Earth's. He also did read many books in the prior episodes, where he learned a good amount of the world Ah! Fair enough. Still a bit surprised that a knowledge nerd like Jibril wouldn't be aware of such info regarding her own universe, unless we assume that the info contained in those books were just very basic information about Disboard's physics (Disboard being less advanced than Earth science-wise) and that Sora, upon realizing Disboard and our universe work similarly, completed with his own physics knowledge. That would make sense. |
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DivAsakust said: When he said "Atmosphere" all gases disappeared, nothing appeared. So you're saying that the atmosphere stayed then? After removing air? When the oxygen should have dissipated? |
Robin6128 said: DivAsakust said: When he said "Atmosphere" all gases disappeared, nothing appeared. So you're saying that the atmosphere stayed then? After removing air? When the oxygen should have dissipated? It would not dissipate that fast. It everything followed your seemingly lightspeed cause and effect, then the world would've just collapsed on itself after mantle was said. |
SphaelaMay 14, 2014 2:27 PM
| Really intense game. So now Sora has more books, that bookworm! I like the comedy in this series, it never fails to make me laugh xD 5/5 episode. Basically my thoughts on the preview. |
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| Additionally, I'm pretty sure the heat of the core would cause them both to die of heat. I'm sure the human body is not so resistant to heat is it? In a vacuum they surely wouldn't survive for much over 2 minutes (according to sources). ...or do they both count as "direct interferences" again? |
Robin6128 said: This isn't like in a yami no game where you can actually be injured or receive damage from the effects of the game.Additionally, I'm pretty sure the heat of the core would cause them both to die of heat. I'm sure the human body is not so resistant to heat is it? In a vacuum they surely wouldn't survive for much over 2 minutes (according to sources). ...or do they both count as "direct interferences" again? |
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Robin6128 said: Additionally, I'm pretty sure the heat of the core would cause them both to die of heat. I'm sure the human body is not so resistant to heat is it? In a vacuum they surely wouldn't survive for much over 2 minutes (according to sources). ...or do they both count as "direct interferences" again? You know the span of time between the jump off the temple and the ending, was around like 15~30 seconds if you cut out the inner monologues of explaining right. They weren't just floating in space for minutes on end. |
| This one episode single-handedly beat every other anime that came out in the last 2 years! The scale of this was super crazy! Please tell me more of this is going to come, I'm starting to like this anime now lol |
Caleb8980 said: Robin6128 said: Additionally, I'm pretty sure the heat of the core would cause them both to die of heat. I'm sure the human body is not so resistant to heat is it? In a vacuum they surely wouldn't survive for much over 2 minutes (according to sources). Now you even answered your own question...in a vacuum bodies can't hold their temperatur but that on the other hand means that the emission of the core lost most of its temperatur until it reached Sora and Shiro, hence they didn't freeze, nor did they die in the heat until they reached the core The lack of pressure would cause their fluids to boil, and heat is lost fast. Ignoring the core for a moment, that would lead to fluids freezing and death within 1 minute. I have sources for that too, if you want. |
Takuan_Soho said: The answer I think was a translation mistake. Gaikaku does mean "crust", but that is when it is written as 外殻. However the way gaikaku was written in the show was 外核 which literally means "outer core". So when he said mantle, she thought he meant female cloaks (but since he had taken away female clothing earlier (see there was a point) was there to disappear to prove that was what he meant). Since Gaikaku is a homophone, she thought he meant some sort of crust, not the outer core of the planet. That just left the lithosphere. I like that you are paying this much attention, when you brought it up I thought I should check, once again it looks like the writer is smarter than we thought. That was why the animators made sure to show the Kanji. Clever clever. Good! That makes much more sense now if what was removed was the outer-core and not the crust. Then again I'm completely lame when it comes to kanji so no wonder subtleties like this one went over head. The upper part of the upper mantle still should have re-appeared, tho. Yep, I pretty much figured Sora said 'mantle' expecting Jibril not to understand what was really disappearing. Even then, she should have easily caught that nothing visibly appeared nor disappeared after Sora said 'mantle' and thus should have realized something was wrong (she didn't seem to be paying much attention to what was happening on the background tho, so I guess that explains it). |
SapewlothMay 14, 2014 2:54 PM
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