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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Holy shit, I think I see Yura at an arcade now practicing shooting. She's way tooo obsessed with winning now. Poor Rento, I don't like seeing her with a crying face ;.; I loved watching Rin and Sonora's reunion this episode though. It felt a bit refreshing. Dat weather. Somehow, I think Yura is going to go back being the old Yura again soon. |
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| Hello supernatural being! Well, at least I knew it will be brought back... Otherwise it would be just another what-the-heck episode to me. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| Sempai girl is leaving soon for oversea, so Stella side are in sad mood, and remembering Yura that they cannot play anymore. Yura playing shooting game in arcade. Even Elegent girl cannot bear anymore about Yura’s pessimistic thoughts, and sempai girl is worried even though she’s busy packing. The enemy girl visiting her with umeboshi. She said Yura is like the sempai girl in olden time. Stella club vs. Sempai girl… while Yura seeing Stella girls for everyone. That historic spirit while her solo training again, to reach to her gun. When everyone lost, Yura’s back. Yura vs. Sempai girl next? |
I ♥ Two Syaorans from Tsubasa RESERVoir CHRoNiCLE and TRC!!! |
| Awwwww snap! Yura vs Sono, the match we've all been waiting for. Wasn't expecting the fox mask dude to appear again and offer words of encouragement. |
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| I'm loving Yura's character arc. |
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PaleBlue said: And the person happens to be a Genpei war veteran… ChoujiroYura really needs some adult guidance. She needs a mentor like the one Rin and Sonora had. Someone with some age, experience, and insight that can guide her to a better path and still accept her when she's being selfish or throwing a tantrum. http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=658691&show=40#msg24934441 |
| Awesomely awesome episode, one of the best! Nothing surprising, it went how I figured it would, but that's certainly not a bad thing! Notice the jazz music came back once Yura got herself out her situation. It's pretty obvious, as I always figured, that Choujiro is just Yura conversing with her inner self, and Sonora clearly put the Skorpion there for Yura to find. |
| Yura and her delusions again. Can't wait for the next episode. |
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| Looks like Yura is coming back to the C3 Club, and she's making her return in style, her battle with Sonora will be interesting. I didn't think that Choujirou would ever return though, but it makes sense on why he appeared, it's basically like she's Yura's conscience. And who put that scorpion there? It's obviously the same person who left that trail of bb's on the stairs, and it looks like Sono's plan worked. With only 2 episodes left, I'm guessing that next episode will be the battle between Sono and Yura, and when Yura apologizes to the club and they all come to terms with each other. Then the last will most likely be when Sonora leaves, and I'm assuming Yura will take control of the club. |
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45Ravager said: And who put that scorpion there? It's obviously the same person who left that trail of bb's on the stairs, and it looks like Sono's plan worked. The very person you just mentioned: Sonora. That's what the scene of her looking at it earlier was for. This is the saddest picture ever. Of all time. :( http://i.imgur.com/yeJC9Ql.jpg |
| That was a nice farewell between Rin and Sonora, I like how they both turn around at the same time to point at each other with their "gun." And wow, Yura was in terrible condition in the beginning at the arcade. Poor Rento crying too because she thought it was her fault >< I knew Choujiro had to show up, though I find it not too convincing that he's the one to get Yura out on her slump. Still, he said some motivational things :) |
| Nicely done reunion, looks like it won't be a bad end. |
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| Why are the club members who did absolutely nothing wrong regretting their actions? Why do they keep forcing these 5deep3u mental delusions? Why can't they solve the conflict through a simple intervention to help Yura realise the error of her ways? Why the fuck does this scene exist Gainax? http://i.imgur.com/BsN2cqK.jpg |
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| Aw man, this episode. That depressing picture of Yura at the arcade. Just-just depressing. |
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| I'll give this episode two thumbs up, mainly because the ending scenes were interesting. Sonora, still strong then any other members until Yura shows up with a big showdown next episode. Kind of painful to see Yura in the arcade and wondering off in the park. Can't wait to see the fight between Sonora and Yura. |
| Rento once again confirmed to be the best girl in the show. I'm okay with that. It's kinda late now to make Sono look sympathetic, I just want to punch her in the face. Well, at least we got a little more of Rin. It seems we are going for a happy ending (though it's Gainax, so it ain't over until the fat lady sings) which is disappointing, but I'm willing to forgive them if Yura can defeat Sonora. Yura has suffered enough. 5/5. |
| Woo more Yura delusions. |
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| Yura: "How can this be? Where are you drawing all of this accuracy from?" Sono: "We evolve beyond the person we were a minute before! Little by little, we advance a bit further with each shot. That's how a BB gun works!!" Yura: That is the path that leads to extinction. Why can't you see the pathetic limitation of the airsoft? Sono: No, that's YOUR limitation! You sit here, closed-off, locked away other lifeforms like some kind of king! That's nobody's limitation but your own!! "Mark my words. This BB gun will open a hole in the universe! And that hole will be a path for those behind us! The dreams of The C3-bu who have fallen... The hopes of those who will follow! Those two sets of dreams weave together into a double barrel, shooting a path towards tomorrow! That's Commando Controllo. That's Communikashun!! My Gun is the gun... THAT CREATES THE HEAVENS!!!" honestly, the best part about watching C3 was in the last few episodes where it went full Spec ops: the line/starwars/PTSD its incredibly amusing to make parallels to other popular works |
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| So Yura is getting cured from her obsession by seeing what she did wrong or will she stay obsessed with winning, she did come back to the team suggesting change. Tho i still think there was no reason for Yuro to get obsessed in the first place, Rin was right with Sonora she is a bit to laid back. She needed to play her role as a leader and Yura might not have gotten obsessed at all. Then again this is anime and some drama is needed at times. |
| Good episode. I have missed the delusions. I guess the fact that she's having those delusions again is sort of a good thing. Last time she had one, she came to a realization. I want to see the match between Yura ans Sonora. Can't wait for the next episode. |
| "We should be more proud of NEETs! Love the country that strives to produce NEETs, for world peace, we must stand up! We must find more non NEET-in-waiting elites, learn from each other , form a new Japanese Party, and bravely challenge the evil! Grow, NEETs! Grow like blazing fire! NEETs!” |
| And so the Yura's development begins. I dunno why but I really love her character despite all she's done. |
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SaberKurisu said: Why are the club members who did absolutely nothing wrong regretting their actions? Why do they keep forcing these 5deep3u mental delusions? Why can't they solve the conflict through a simple intervention to help Yura realise the error of her ways? Why the fuck does this scene exist Gainax? http://i.imgur.com/BsN2cqK.jpg Her club members are assholes, they better be sorry. Yura did nothing wrong, she is just surrounded by awful people. |
| wtf was with that guy "were you the one who just called me" ? and what's that fox part of the story anyway? |
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Takuan_Soho said: If someone is at fault her it is Rin, she best understands Yura's talent and drive, but is deliberately trying to sabotage it. Making her play medic was not an exercise in "team play", indeed it is the very opposite of it (there is a great scene in season 2 of Major which shows why this is the case), and indeed Rin actually costs her team several victories rather than accept that Yura is now actually better than her. The idea that Yura should have purposely lost and help her teammate is an excuse Rin invented. I very much doubt that Rin, in an important battle doing that. She is being a hypocrite there. Rin's only mistake was misidentifying Yura's passion to win. Rin treats airsoft as a military simulation, and that explains why Yura--despite her undeniable skills--is not a fit for that team. Rin tried to make Yura realize that by making her play the medic, a role where one's personal survival is vital to the team, yet one is also bound to support the team. Instead of realizing that she was supposed to be part of the unit, Yura instead sees the medic role as playing with a handicap--she can only fight in the last five minutes and sees that as her time, her window to win. She sees medic as a burden and a punishment. Yura showed that she was willing to sacrifice herself to win. That can be good or bad; unnecessary sacrifice doesn't have severe consequences in the game, but if you're treating it as a military simulation, then you are basically throwing your life away in a situation that doesn't necessarily require it. In the forest, Yura showed that she was unconcerned with an actual injury on her team, which makes a pretty strong case that she would sacrifice a teammate to win the game. For someone like Rin who, again, sees airsoft as a battle simulation, that's completely unacceptable. Rin can be forgiven for thinking Yura was just like her; Rin's impression of Yura during the 24 hour tournament was that she was highly skilled and willing to get dirty to win but Yura was also acting as a part of the Stella team. Yura's teamwork then was precise, but only because it was her strategies and she was leading. If your group is a bunch of friends that play to have fun and compete, then have more solo-type players and reacting to the situations as they change is fine. If you want to play the game as a game, then having someone like Yura on your team is fine. But if what you want to do is emulate a military unit, then someone like Yura is a liability--highly skilled but reckless, stubborn, and does not play well with others. You can certainly argue that it is dumb to take the game so seriously that you equate it with actual battle, but Rin's motivations based on viewing airsoft like that are completely sound. |
CNagy said: *snip* That's a very sound and well written analysis, great points :) |
| I'm pretty sure I know how the next episode is going to go. Remember in Episode 2, Yura wanted to quit, so they said that she can if she beats them? But after she beat them, even though that let her quit, she realized she didn't want to and stayed. Now Sonora agreed that she's only allowed to leave if the rest of them beat her. The parallel here is fairly obvious: Yura's going to win, but even though she lost, Sonora's going to choose to stay anyway. Nice, perfect bookends, just like this episode bookended Episode 3 where Yura first decided to change herself and unchanged herself in 11. |
| next week hurry up already |
| I don't know why, but I'm shipping Sonora with Karila. Sonora's going abroad and the club will have a final match against her. They were about to lose, but then Yura appeared! With the power of Choujirou, anything is possible! I think Yura's going to go back to her normal self. |
I’m always searching for something, for someone. This feeling has possessed me I think, from that day… That day when the stars came falling. |
| kinda sad when seeing yura playing the shooting game in the arcade.. when that "taaaaaa" -_- kinda stupid :/ I know she is down.. and choujiro is back :3 yey yeah :3 that ending. really want to see next episode now :3 |
| Rento = best girl. |
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| Yura in the arcade was fantastic. Rena's crying scene sounded rather poor... did anyone else react? |
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Fireego said: I don't know why, but I'm shipping Sonora with Karila. Sono and Karila are cute. Anyways, good episode. I don't have too much time to write much about it though, so I'll just leave it at that. XD |
Takuan_Soho said: But that is what I would disagree with. Yura wasn't reckless. In the first battle she understood that time was running out, that the rest of the team was dead and that Rin was pinned down on three sides. The only way to complete the simulation (and simulation or not, the goal of any military action is to complete the mission) was to risk herself to give Rin the opportunity to complete the goal. If Rin was actually into "military simulation" Yura did exactly what she should have done. Furthermore, the job of any leader is to take the natural talents of your members and best utilize them. What Rin did was a terrible waste of talent. Again if Rin was really into "military simulation" she would have recognized this and used this knowledge to come up with the best battle plan to utilize this talent. Or even if she wanted to use Yura as a medic, she should have trained them during their off time instead of waiting until before matches and make it seem like punishment. So Rin failed both as a military tactician and as a basic leader. There's no indication that time was running out in their battle. Yura simply decided to take at least two of them out by sacrificing herself. Her choice ended up working out incredibly well, but that doesn't change the fact that it was also extremely reckless. She made herself vulnerable (wide open, if anyone reacted in time) prior to firing, and had she been hit it prior to firing then Rin would have been all by her (extremely competent) self. Perhaps the most revealing part of that entire sequence was that she didn't even give Rin any sort of heads-up that she was going out. This series makes a big deal about communication, and Yura is good at it right up until she doesn't bother with it. That's reckless. Rin decided to assign Yura the medic position as a result of their previous battle. Until Yura acted recklessly at the end of that last battle, Rin had no reason to suspect that Yura's teamwork was suspect. It wasn't a punishment, it was a move intended to patch a sudden and unexpected gap in their unit cohesion. Yura is a waste of talent, from a leader's perspective. Rin was hoping to salvage her by forcing her to play medic and hoping that would get her to reflect on how individuals in the unit are supposed to complement each other. Rin told her explicitly that Yura could attack in the last five minutes but that her medic duties took priority. When the time came, Yura prioritized getting hits over answering the medic call. When Yura demanded to know what she did wrong, Rin told her that there are some things she has to figure out for herself. If Yura couldn't understand how the unit works together, then she would be worthless to the unit. And in the end, she couldn't. Yura is a loner. She was a loner in the past, and getting really good at airsoft didn't change that. Her skills are respected. She amazes people. But she is still a loner. She doesn't have concern for her teammates and she doesn't follow orders that she doesn't like. Rin's team lives on teamwork--that's how, despite all of the other members being less talented than Yura, they still got to the finals of the 24 hour tournament, including wiping out a team of marines. Yura is getting hate for all the right reasons. She is the hotdog pilot character who in other works is granted leeway because she is just that good, despite being reckless and disobeying orders from time to time. Realistically, such people end up washing out and the sentiment is "you've got a lot of talent, it's a shame you're such a screw-up." |
| God, why? Why should they again shoved it Chodjiro? Everything was going so well. Well, the last 3 seconds have pleased. |
CNagy said: Rin's team lives on teamwork--that's how, despite all of the other members being less talented than Yura, they still got to the finals of the 24 hour tournament, including wiping out a team of marines. Exactly, Rin's team is so good specifically because of their amazing coordination; a good leader makes an okay squad great. This is something we've known about Meisei since they were first seen on the field in Ep3, and all the training in Ep7 was completely about being as coordinated as Meisei. While Yura became reckless and wanted to win over all else after Ep3, she didn't gain that loner playstyle until after she cheated to win at the tournament, and that's what Rin was trying to help her with. I love Sonora and Rin's teaching styles because it revolves around Yura having to figure things out for herself, rather than having her hand held and being spoon-fed everything. More people should teach like that. Yura is getting hate for all the right reasons. She is the hotdog pilot character who in other works is granted leeway because she is just that good, despite being reckless and disobeying orders from time to time. Realistically, such people end up washing out and the sentiment is "you've got a lot of talent, it's a shame you're such a screw-up." Agreed, it's nice to see the "hotshot pilot" type character actually being a bad thing, as opposed to it being viewed as more or less a good thing like most fiction does. C3 has outdone itself with amazing portrayals of characters and their character arcs, especially Yura's, it's one of the most believable and realistic things I've seen in a while. |
RediceRyan said: Nicely done reunion, looks like it won't be a bad end. AWW THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN SO UNIQUE. I WANT A BAD END, MAYBE A NICE BOAT ENDING OR SOMETHING. WHO WANTS A GOOD END ANYWAYS, BORING PEOPLE DO. |
 ^ Why isn't this updating... |
| Man, if they played some cards before and changed some stuf. This could totally be about how one delusional girl's obsession to a game causes her to alienate her friends and brings her into a downward spiral to depression + bad end. |
| wow, from last episode to this episode. so shocking :P I like the last episode.. but, lol in this one. oh well, I still like it. At least, they've realized their mistakes too.. "self-centered" nice one Rento!! ^___^ Omg.. the last part!! this is going to be awesome :D |
nseika said: PaleBlue said: And the person happens to be a Genpei war veteran… ChoujiroYura really needs some adult guidance. She needs a mentor like the one Rin and Sonora had. Someone with some age, experience, and insight that can guide her to a better path and still accept her when she's being selfish or throwing a tantrum. http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=658691&show=40#msg24934441 I suppose he is, lol. Perhaps a little older than I was envisioning at first, but it works for me. |
Berzin said: Yura is best girl. |
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| Cool episode. I wasn't too fond of the god figure again. But a good episode nonetheless. |
| A bit meh and the supernatural figure didn't help too much to rescue this. I hope the last episode delivers. |
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CNagy said: If Yura couldn't understand how the unit works together, then she would be worthless to the unit. And in the end, she couldn't. Yura is a loner. She was a loner in the past, and getting really good at airsoft didn't change that. Her skills are respected. She amazes people. But she is still a loner. She doesn't have concern for her teammates and she doesn't follow orders that she doesn't like. Rin's team lives on teamwork--that's how, despite all of the other members being less talented than Yura, they still got to the finals of the 24 hour tournament, including wiping out a team of marines. Yura is getting hate for all the right reasons. She is the hotdog pilot character who in other works is granted leeway because she is just that good, despite being reckless and disobeying orders from time to time. Realistically, such people end up washing out and the sentiment is "you've got a lot of talent, it's a shame you're such a screw-up." I can't disagree with you more. Yura is an ideal fighter and commander. She is aggressive without being reckless. Her most aggressive actions in this show have always been highly calculated; Yura considers her team, the enemy and their objective before taking action she feels is reasonable within those certain conditions. Yura never once disobeyed a direct order. If fact, she did everything she could to help her team win in spite of commands that make it difficult to do so. Yura has the spirit, tenacity and initiative that commanders desperately want in their NCOs and junior officers. However, Rin didn't want initiative, she wanted people who blindly follow orders. Rin is the only person who thinks on that team, and she is also very risk adverse. Rin's main goal is to limit casualties on her side instead of beating the enemy. Rin isn't the kind of person who is good at fighting from a losing position, because it usually requires sacrifice to turn the tide. I completely agree with Rin doing nothing to help her teammate, there really was nothing for her to do. In modern warfare, you don't immediately help the wounded on the battlefield. You first try to gain fire superiority so that it is safe to bring the wounded soldier to a safe location. I have met officers who held medics back from helping the wounded because the situation was such that the medic was far more likely to get wounded themselves than actually help the wounded. Now Yura's situation wasn't a battle, but there really wasn't anything she could have done. Yura doesn't have medical experience, what good would dropping everything for that girl do? There is no point trying to jump into the water to save a drowning person if you don't know how to swim. |
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