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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Another great episode. The encounter between Himura and Amamiya-sensei was intense. I wasn't terribly surprised that Himura didn't kill him, but wow, that guy deserves it. He abuses Yuuko, tells her to kill him, and then uses her embarrassment to get her to keep living with him. Three of the most horrible things you can do to another person... It's weird that Himura hasn't offered to let Yuuko live with him. Not that she'd accept, but that's the only reasonable choice I can see for him at the moment. |
| Hmm, the biggest issue w/ this episode was that it came after the bombshell of episode 6, so the major revelations still seem overshadowed. I don't know about you guys, but i'm willing to bet that there's still a lot of Yuuko's story that we're missing. Speaking of overshadowed... Mizuki/Kuze had some development this week as well... but it didn't seem to have the same impact. But I'm still really curious as to where that story is going |
| this show keeps getting more and more epic by the episode, truly a masterpiece |
| Sigh... No more screenshots and reviews before the subs now that angel999's been banned... Oh well, not that many people appreciates his efforts, anyways. Now on to the topic, once again, another great episode, just like episode 6. Tekky99 said: I don't know about you guys, but i'm willing to bet that there's still a lot of Yuuko's story that we're missing. Speaking of overshadowed... Mizuki/Kuze had some development this week as well... but it didn't seem to have the same impact. But I'm still really curious as to where that story is going I have to agree, there's a lot of parts about Yuuko that's still missing, and there is some Mizuki/Kuze relation development, but not enough. What I'm worried about is that they would take up too much time for the Yuuko/Himura relationship, leaving too little time for the Mizuki/Kuze one. |
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zStorm_Dukez said: Sigh... No more screenshots and reviews before the subs now that angel999's been banned... Oh well, not that many people appreciates his efforts, anyways. he was banned? it seemed awfully quiet around the message boards... anyway... regarding Mizuki/Kuze... I actually don't think it's bad. It's actually probably as good the first season stories. It's just... it's coupled w/ Yuuko's story, which so far has been pwning everything else. I mean throughout the episode.. whenever they show Yuuko and Himura... it just oozes tension. If mizuki's story manages to match up in the next few episodes... then melodies should surpass memories (unless the ending is completely botched up). |
| Akari Amamiya my hero. First he rapes a hot girl. Second he uses her embarrassment as a living and to get away with it. Third he is fucking strong and kicks ass, he knock the shit out of Himura. To add, I love the tongue skill of Kuze. Pure awesome, with that skill Mizuki or Nagi will be pleasured. |
Tekky99 said: zStorm_Dukez said: Sigh... No more screenshots and reviews before the subs now that angel999's been banned... Oh well, not that many people appreciates his efforts, anyways. he was banned? it seemed awfully quiet around the message boards... anyway... regarding Mizuki/Kuze... I actually don't think it's bad. It's actually probably as good the first season stories. It's just... it's coupled w/ Yuuko's story, which so far has been pwning everything else. I mean throughout the episode.. whenever they show Yuuko and Himura... it just oozes tension. If mizuki's story manages to match up in the next few episodes... then melodies should surpass memories (unless the ending is completely botched up). Seems he left something as someone else but that's it. http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=53233 |
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| Well, I was curious about the hidden meaning in the title since episode 1, and now it becomes a bit more clear. It seems like the "future" spelled out backwards by the first six episodes will be reflected quite clearly in the following six episodes. Ever, read, union, turn, utter, flection :mirrored by: reflection, reutter, return, reunion, reread, re-ever? Or perhaps, forever. Quite a curious why to title your series, or intriguing none-the-less. |
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AegisReborn said: Well, I was curious about the hidden meaning in the title since episode 1, and now it becomes a bit more clear. It seems like the "future" spelled out backwards by the first six episodes will be reflected quite clearly in the following six episodes. Ever, read, union, turn, utter, flection :mirrored by: reflection, reutter, return, reunion, reread, re-ever? Or perhaps, forever. Quite a curious why to title your series, or intriguing none-the-less. Interesting point. Probably Shaft the studio responsible for this are playing mind games that way. Someone mentioned it before in previous episodes. I checked this out. The only thing I do not get is why does Yuu not SCREW everything and gets a job to get his place? I mean it's not hard, only the age is a problem but in this town it seems like he could get away with farming or being a arts dealer. Ultimately the best would be to kill the sensei and take his place in the church. Could that be possible future of this series? Still intriguing. It tends to get out our emotions. Wonder if Shaft has other ideas about this series other than what we see in it. So many questions. *need to check this series more* |
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| wow when i thought the 1st season had the best romance storyline ever (the mental illness one) and yet im pleasantly surprised that i have found some rivals! rape and death.... powerful stuff |
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naikou said: It's weird that Himura hasn't offered to let Yuuko live with him. Not that she'd accept, but that's the only reasonable choice I can see for him at the moment. i agree |
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| Lame episode. How can you use the same visual and narrative technique back to back and expect the same impact? And to top it off Mizuki ends up being one of these lame characters who have no resolve when it gets right down to it, and can't explain herself at all. She just walked out. I was quite disappointed in that development. Everything is so hyper-exaggerated that I can't really take anything in this show seriously on an emotional level, which seems to be what the production wants...they want us to cry and hope for these characters, but I'm just not really buying it all this time around. |
| Just need to note that Justice usually loses. Seems so weird that Yuuko would go out of her way to try to screw over Yuu. I guess when you're in that situation, you wonder why, and often assign blames when you can. |
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ejm0 said: king4k2 said: Akari Amamiya my hero. First he rapes a hot girl. Second he uses her embarrassment as a living and to get away with it. Third he is fucking strong and kicks ass, he knock the shit out of Himura. I should just punch you in the face right now... I agreed let's do that! I like your comments. Very interesting. So will that sensei die? He did mention that next time he will kill Yuu. |
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| yu is very intelligent, killing amamiya sensei wud only cause a major trouble with the police, but i dont think theres any problem telling the police about it.. sensitive cases are mostly confidential.. i hate yuuko.. she only returns to yu in order to tel him that she is suffering because he abandoned her.. yu has nothing to do with yuuko in d 1st place, for its only a coincidence that they are in the same orphanage. as for shuichi/mizuki story, i tot mizuki will answer those questions.. she just walks out and i dont even recall her cryin.. and whats more confusing to me is that kuze-san begs to live when he already isolates himself from his loved ones. this story is getting more interesting.. answers had been made, but a lot of questions are still unanswered.. i think this is their trademark |
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| While I'm not going to absolve any of the blame on Amamiya-sensei (did we ever hear his first name?), Yuu is also partially to blame for this. Now who could have expected such a thing to happen to Yuuko? Yuu was just a child back then and had his own worries, his own trauma to conquer. Though he can just shrug off the responsibility, the current Yuu understands that everything could have been prevented if it wasn't for his selfishness. There are some irreversible mistakes in the past you could and should have prevented that will forever haunt you for the rest of your life, and this is probably the revenge Yuuko wanted. Now Yuuko shouldn't blame Yuu for the events that transpired, but who could blame her for doing so? She has been forever broken and has lost the will to live. This small revenge of hers is probably one of the few things keeping her going. Then to sensei...as much as it seems that he is blackmailing both Yuu and Yuuko to keep things quiet, the man is indeed seeking death. In his own sick and twisted way, he is caring for Yuuko's well being. Understand the culture difference in Japan concerning rape charges and the humiliation a girl has to face. Rather than things being kept under wraps, everything would be exposed for the whole world to see, both her shame and her battered body. Can you honestly see a girl who is afraid of being alone doing something that will effectively cut off what little she has? Oh well a rather lackluster episode compared to its predecessor. While the episode still had impact, everything was just overshadowed in comparison to episode 06. They should have split the two halves of the episode into Yuuko's and Mizuki's scenario. The switching between the two was very distracting, especially during Yuuko's arc. The immersion one felt on the last episode was sorely missing, thus making Kuze's monologue rather bland... For some possible spoilers, @king4k2 There are just some things you don't joke about man. How tasteless... |
| One of those episodes you love to hate... Agree with toad about Amamiya seeking death. Then I also reckon he wants to free Yuuko from the despair by pressuring Yuu to the extent of bashing him. Felt kinda strange that Mizuki would back down from all of Kuze's BS. Thought she would push through at the end... |
| I can't believe we're past the half-way point already. This episode kept up with the pace of the last one in my opinion, we learn a little more about each of the couples. It's nice to see that deep down inside Kuze really wants to live. At some point I'm going to have to arrange a list of the numbers with words that appear in between scenes, they obviously say something, I'll wait till the series is done and then go over it again. I would write more but I need some sleep. |
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| Hmmm that was almost a copy/paste of the last episode, too bad... Still a somewhat enjoyable one. |
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Jacut said: And I thought that there were scars everywhere on Yuuko's body, but the last scene showed almost nothing? Did you not see this frame hidden in episode 6  I would say thats quite alot of scars there. |
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| Well quite frankly, it could have been this bad... NSFW! Notice the change in location? Though having that scene in the church helps with the imagery they were trying to portray...or something. There is a perfectly valid reason as to why Yuuko covers her body from head to toe even if the rest of the school is already on the summer uniform... While still a bastard that deserves death, at least Wakame (that's his name right?) spared her from the neck above. |
PimpToad said: Well quite frankly, it could have been this bad... NSFW! Notice the change in location? Though having that scene in the church helps with the imagery they were trying to portray...or something. There is a perfectly valid reason as to why Yuuko covers her body from head to toe even if the rest of the school is already on the summer uniform... While still a bastard that deserves death, at least Wakame (that's his name right?) spared her from the neck above. I just checked this picture of yours. O_O that is wack! Sick person if any to do such a thing. My friend would kill this guy if he knew someone like him existed. |
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| This was a great episode~ I really don't even know where to start, everything was beautifully laid out. Although I was hoping for an episode that wouldn't be as intense as the last one (episode 6 is still etched deep into my mind), I was incredibly pleased. It was a bit uncalled for when Yuuko told Yuu that she only told him about her problem with Amamiya because she wanted him to feel guilty. I mean, when Yuu said he didn't want a sister back in the orphanage - he said it because he had already lost one precious to him. It's not like he knew that his small outburst could consequence to something so significantly heinous. Anyways, when Yuu decided to go over to Amamiya's home - he felt like he was doing it in order to protect Yuuko. And I found it important when he couldn't kill Amamiya. To me it portrayed that Yuu cares for Yuuko when he didn't kill Amamiya because he wants to protect Yuuko's secret. And Amamiya's such a sly individual, he's using Yuuko in more than one way. As for Mizuki and Kuze - I find their relationship all the more interesting~ Seeing everything in Kuze's home --> the calendar with the days marked off by "X's", the insane amount of pills, and the masks made me want to learn all the more about his character. However, what really caught me off guard was Kuze's breakdown. Although it wasn't as extreme as Yuuko's from the last episode - I still loved it. I believe that 'Warum' was the best word to be used as it could be interpreted as a question that refers to all and everything and in some cases - mean no answer~ The ending, when Kuze was having a heart attack (at least that's what I interpreted it to be), was bit hard-hitting. It was odd to see how he had so many mixed ideas about dying. I'm sure I remember in some episodes he was completely impassive about it - and now he wants to live. What's more is that he was thinking of Mizuki when he was stating the fact that he didn't want to die. That to me was definitely something significant -- I was a bit disappointed when the ending song flashed on the screen because I wanted to see more of what was happening to Kuze. A little gloomy that I have to wait to see the results. In addition, the mood and atmosphere that was set throughout this entire episode was brilliant. First with Yuuko appearing in the rain, and then with Yuu reaching his boiling point with Amamiya. My favorite part had to be the way Amamiya and Yuu's 'fight' was illustrated - the colors weren't all that vivid - but the aura was intense. Moreover, when Kuze is at home - the crimson shade set a dark disposition. Uh, everything's too beautiful~ I can't believe we are more than halfway through this season... I'm especially looking forward to next week's episode. I hope my thoughts made some sense - I was writing while still in the aftermath of the episode |
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| I hate that art teacher. It just kills me to know that there are people out there like that. |
SHInoSHIkamaru said: I hate that art teacher. It just kills me to know that there are people out there like that. There's people worst than him in the real world. I hope you know that, do you? |
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maxime1007 said: SHInoSHIkamaru said: I hate that art teacher. It just kills me to know that there are people out there like that. There's people worst than him in the real world. I hope you know that, do you? About that, yes there are. There are some who would do the same crap with murder to top it off. I watch a lot of Law and Order. So I understand your point maxime1007 |
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| I'm not taking the sensei side tough he really gave a possibility for Yuko to leave or even kill him, he doesn't seem that he would even have fight back. Amamiya is an asshole but Yuko is an idiot. |
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| So Yuuko's charm wasn't the watch but a knife. Oh and I hate Akari so much for what he has done to Yuuko. |
king4k2 said: Akari Amamiya my hero. First he rapes a hot girl. Second he uses her embarrassment as a living and to get away with it. Third he is fucking strong and kicks ass, he knock the shit out of Himura. To add, I love the tongue skill of Kuze. Pure awesome, with that skill Mizuki or Nagi will be pleasured. I lol'ed. I didn't think that bait would catch anyone. Anyway, I agree that the impact of Kuze was lost on this ep since it followed Yuuko's. But an even worse travesty was that Yuu backed into a tree and then the very next shot he was in he middle of the sidewalk. Poor continuity... |
| wow the end was really horrible, i dont know if he will survive though. And this episode reminds me a lot of higurashi, i thought that he would really kill him. its really too insane. |
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| 5/5 In addition to the things already mentioned: I really liked the fact that Kuze had to learn that the "will to survive" is stronger than logical thoughts like "if you cant win, dont try to fight". Now he has to realise that there will be people grieving for him, whether he shuts himself in his room or not. The ideal plan of disconnecting every relationship in order to prevent misery is an illusion. He should enjoy his life as long as it lasts and with the friends he has! maxime1007 said: I'm not taking the sensei side tough he really gave a possibility for Yuko to leave or even kill him, he doesn't seem that he would even have fight back. Amamiya is an asshole but Yuko is an idiot. No he is not! If he would have killed the teacher, he would go to jail and Yuko would have to bear the consequences (loneliness, embarrassement). In addition to that, the teacher would have had a way too easy death. The best thing he can do is to inform the cops and ask them to keep a low profile and refrain from going public. With this the teacher would go to jail for a long time.... and maybe you have heard that rapists are really "favored" among the detainee. Soon enough he would know what pain the poor girl had to go through every day and night. Thats justice for me.... |
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De-JaY said: Oh and I hate Akari so much for what he has done to Yuuko. qft~,Yuko T_T |
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| Good episode, can't wait to see the Himura and Amamiya-sensei rematch! |
| Awh. Though I didn't get such an impact like the last epiode, it was still pretty good. I feel like they used the same method back to back so it didn't really work out for me. I didn't even bother to read all of his "why's". His tounge was a pretty lawl moment for me. Well, onward we gooo! (During Kuze's scenes, I was getting very paranoid that the masks would change faces or something x___x) |
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| The why scene this time didn't work for me, it just annoyed >_> Someone fucking kill Yuuko's brother now. |
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| What a piece of shit brother. Hard to believe they're part of the same 'family'. I don't like where this is going. T_T The Why-scene was good, especially the visuals but it felt a bit like I've seen it before. |
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| with kuze hahahaha omg i just laughed so hard when he just totally owned her and all she could do is walk out the door. great episode, loved how everything was played. |
| Shaft's symbolism approach is truly epic! It makes for a great masterpiece. Why! Why? WHY! ~That was just as intense as Yuuko's use of symbolism to explain her daily life with his guardian from last episode. Kuze sure has a dilemma... I love all of this developments and revelations! xD |
| Wow another intense episode, from Himura's confrontation with Amamiya to Kuze falling over and his endless torrent of questions. Even though it seems to be becoming common place it's still enjoyable enough. |
| the epic "warum" and the BGM this show is the best i ever seen 8DD gonna DL moar~~~ |
| This Show Is Effin Great this is truly a great and well put together sires and im lovin every minute of it |
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| Shit. Kuze. My heart has stopped. |
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| oh gawd it was the guy that adopted her raped her :/ fuked up shit |
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| i think i may be the only one but i still suffer mental trauma from this episode (and the last). i went to therapy (no joke) not long after watching.i always needed to but those episode snapped the saneness in me. to quote melbshaw there yes very very heavy f*cked up shit. for some apparent reason i'm horrified by rape(note:i'm a guy). all the abuse i was ok with. heck i've seen worse without feeling anything but the rape this really got me. Question to men(specifically rapist) out there: WTF is wrong with you? You are fucked up Question to men(normal) out there: 1.what do you think of rape? 2. what would u think if you found out the person you love lost there first time to a rapist? WTF is wrong with you people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! not really a spoiler but u may or may not want to read this[BTW plz be 18+]: |
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naikou said: Another great episode. The encounter between Himura and Amamiya-sensei was intense. I wasn't terribly surprised that Himura didn't kill him, but wow, that guy deserves it. He abuses Yuuko, tells her to kill him, and then uses her embarrassment to get her to keep living with him. Three of the most horrible things you can do to another person... It's weird that Himura hasn't offered to let Yuuko live with him. Not that she'd accept, but that's the only reasonable choice I can see for him at the moment. Thats what I was thinking too. Himura could of at least beat Amamiya up! |
| ...who did you think abused her..? Anyways, good episode. I would have wanted to kill him, but would have stalled once he posed those same points on me about how it would have resulted for Yuuko. Also surprised that he didn't demand that she stay with him.. hmm... |
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