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Tulicloure said: Oldy said: imo bad episode Twists pulled out of the writers asses I was to rate the show at least an 8 but now iam not sure about that anymore :< Have you watched/read Chaos;Head and Steins;Gate? I believe this episode would be confusing to most people who haven't, which is not ideal, but if you have, most things do make sense. If you're talking about Kimijima, though...
I mean, anyone giving it a thought would have noticed that Kimijima has his own agenda. It sure is a surprise/twist/etc that he is the (a?) villain, but you can't say it's an ass-pull. There's probably many more hints through the series, but I'd need to rewatch, and I don't think I have the time right now. Unfortunately. EDIT: Sorry if you were not talking about him, but I got carried away and wanted to write it anyway. =P The most important clue to solving this problem is Airi. She was send by Kimijima Kou to track Kaito specifically and try to contact with him. SS Anemone incident as well. And, well, Kimijima Kou's quests wasn't only about focusing on rocks, there also was ones, where Kaito should set up the antenna or release Airi from sleep. Clearly, Kimijima Kou was trying to get specifically Kaito's attention, he was trying to get Kaito interested, so he would go here and there willingly doing what Kimijima has told him to do. I don't know why it has to be Kaito, though. There is definitely some reason, it may not be revealed just yet. About Airi's parents, that bothered me too. I have no idea what's with Airi's family and life. The whole Airi's backstory seems too... synthetic and not_believable. |
FinjasMar 1, 2013 2:39 PM
| Amazing episode. |
| Everything happened. Good episode. To any who have read Steins;Gate, can someone fill me in on Nae? Of course, in spoilers. |
TravSavage said: Everything happened. Good episode. To any who have read Steins;Gate, can someone fill me in on Nae? Of course, in spoilers. Well... its a little long but ill try it Btw, OMG the show were boring me until this episode, sure C;H and S;G start slow too, but they didn't take this long to became interesting, as far as i can remember C;H just took 3/4 of the 1st episode and S;G just took 3 episodes, but this was becoming unbearable, im really glad that this episode was so good that almost, ALMOST make me forget how boring this was becoming. |
SeryMar 1, 2013 4:40 PM
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| This episode. Shit's been getting real in the series for like 5 episodes or so, but this episode right here just took it to a whole nother level. Damn. Great episode. Great plot twist. Great music. Great feels. Nae was a badass. Frau figuring things out on her own. Jaxa lowkey is prepared to fight the Committee of 300 (would be great if they came from Sparta lol). Can't wait for the next episode. |
| A match made in heaven set the fires in hell |
| interesting episode nae :) |
| So SERN appears once more! Bastards never die. Nae was kick ass here. Delusions I see? Chaos;Head is playing it's part here as well? o_0 |
| "Ogon’ po gotovnosti!" |
| wow, this episode was a complete beast to take in. o_o so many twists, kimijima kou alive through the network, airi's body stripped of life, terrorist attacks, conspiracies working behind the "solar flares", s braun, the dude who i thought was a bad guy for the past 18 episodes actually being a good guy... and so much more Dx my brain is going to explode! but the kai x aki was epic win. kai getting worked up over aki like that.. :] |
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| Wow. Many many reveals in this episode. I love that Misaki and Kou turn out to be the bad guys. That's probably why they had to get rid of Mizuka - she was part of their clique while Kou was still alive and she knew too much so Kou had to kill her. |
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| That was another great episode! I don't think I have ever wanted to hug an anime character as much as I did Aki in this episode! (Maybe besides Eureka anyway) Plus, it was nice to see Kai all worked up for once in his life! Plus, Nae kicks serious butt! That bit with Airi in the end was creepy though! The whole Kagome, Kagome song is kind of creepy too when you consider it may be about prostitution and the like. ANYWAY! I want the next episode really soon! I hope Subaru and Jun can make an appearance soon! They haven't been seen for awhile! Loving this show! |
neoneo said: So you are talking about people committing crime (my example of terrorism is an extreme example) ? Yeah, I am sure that one trick of criminals is to create chaos to execute plan. But that is not "Order out of Chaos", right? And I don't think this trick is used so frequently that I would call it "all the time". symbv said: neoneo said: You seem to be saying that chaos is deliberately created in order to execute plans, perhaps you can name a few examples of why you think it happens in the real world all the time. For now I can only think of terrorists as an example.It sort of relates to "Order out of Chaos", in a sense that chaos is created in order to execute plans. It happens in the real world all the time. hmmmm, perhaps you can name a single reason why you think it doesn't. But here is a nice little example that should illuminate that light bulb: A kid pulls the fire alarm at school, then sneaks into an empty classroom to steal a microscope. Does that help at all? neoneo said: "action that is desired to go unnoticed" is not "order out of chaos", right? Where is the "chaos" in that?This is not at all limited to stealing, but can be used for any action that is desired to go unnoticed, temporarily or permanently...so if you think about it for a moment, you should be able to come up with countless examples, small scale and large scale. Does that make sense? |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
AnimeFan500 said: I don't think so... Airi is now being controlled by Kimijou but Airi is not Kimijou. Airi is Kimijou. Now come to think of it, given Kimijou is the villain, and assuming Airi is really an innocent girl. Is it possible that Kimijou cheated Airi about her disease and in fact Airi does not have any incurable disease? Why did Kimijou spend all these money and effort to put Airi into cold sleep if he did not really mean to keep her for some future curing technology? |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| so, is kimijima kou's real body frozen like airi before?? or did he discarded it when he went to becoming immortal in the network?? 3 more episodes :D |
symbv said: "action that is desired to go unnoticed" is not "order out of chaos", right? Where is the "chaos" in that? Well, I think he means that the confusion created by these diversions (chaos) makes it easier for whoever did it to execute their plan (order). I'm not sure about the usual usage of the expression "order out of chaos", though. KingCyrus20 said: A lot of people are talking as if Actually, Robotic;Notes shows the divergence number of the world line in which it takes place in episode 1, and I'm pretty sure it's the Steins;Gate world line (the anime ending one). |
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BULLDOG266 said: So SERN appears once more! Bastards never die. Nae was kick ass here. Delusions I see? Chaos;Head is playing it's part here as well? o_0 Kimijima/Misaki stole the BHB from SERN 4 months earlier. SERN technically isn't part of the Project Atum. KingCyrus20 said: A lot of people are talking as if There's no Nae ending in S;G, the whole Nae thing is part of the Moeka arc. You can see how things unfolding in S;G ep 20 as an alternative worldline. The Nae mini-arc is canon in the VN, but now only Okabe remembers. One's nature never change. And everyone has his/her darkside. Nae being the extreme case here. She's either a positive, sweet girl or batshit crazy. In the cut Nae arc(R;N anime), she still occasionally shows her bitter personality in some of her dialogues. Kai says it best, when Nae is smiling, you get a strange feeling that she might not be smiling at all. |
KansokushaMar 1, 2013 8:44 PM
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Sery said: TravSavage said: Everything happened. Good episode. To any who have read Steins;Gate, can someone fill me in on Nae? Of course, in spoilers. Well... its a little long but ill try it Oh okay, got it. Thanks! |
| By the way, I really liked the Kai/Aki role reversal scene. Kai has had an interesting character arc, going from total disinterest and being completely passive in everything he did to caring so much that he dragged Aki back from despair. The Kai of episode 1 would have never done that. |
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AiCon said: Yes, Nae's father dies in one of the timelines in S;G. Nae doesn't find out in the VN since she isn't there when the death takes place. She only finds out later on and joins CERN to take revenge on everyone who is connected to her fathers death (which happens to be the entire cast of S;G). Nae is basically the Darth Vader of CERN. No, Nae was in the house when Tennouji commits suicide. AiCon said: That Rounder assassin from the dystopian future in Suzuha's spinoff manga isn't Nae, her name is Kayano. The only material that features Nae as a Rounder besides the VN is the S;G novels by Miwa Choushirou.I've seen Steins;Gate. One of the important characters (Suzuha) explains everything towards the end of the show. There are some side-story mangas that go over what happened in some of the timelines like the one where Nae joins CERN. |
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AiCon said: Nae knows that her father died, but doesn't know the details of how or why it happened. When she finds out that Okabe and the others either did nothing or contribute in some way to him killng himself, she joins CERN. Besides, Nae being in the house is only one timeline. There's another where he kills himself in a construction site. She witnesses the death with her own eyes. When Okabe & Co escaped to Moeka's apartment following Tennouji's death, Kurisu mentioned that she saw Nae running out from the house after the gunshot. With her young mindset, Nae could only comprehend what she saw, that her father killed himself, Okabe and Moeka weren't able to stop him, and even blames them for knowing her father in the 1st place. These eventually developed into hatred. And about the construction site. We only count the original materials as canon. Like I said, ep 20 can be viewed as an alternative timeline, but it's not what Okabe has actually gone through. AiCon said: I corrected myself earlier when I wrote that Nae was never named in S;G. The rest comes from Wikipedia and MAL itself: [url=http://myanimelist.net/character/38559/Nae_Tennouji]http://myanimelist.net/character/38559/Nae_Tennouji What do you mean by "never named in S;G"? |
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AiCon said: Kansokusha said: Nae knows that her father died, but doesn't know the details of how or why it happened. When she finds out that Okabe and the others either did nothing or contribute in some way to him killng himself, she joins CERN. Besides, Nae being in the house is only one timeline. There's another where he kills himself in a construction site.AiCon said: Yes, Nae's father dies in one of the timelines in S;G. Nae doesn't find out in the VN since she isn't there when the death takes place. She only finds out later on and joins CERN to take revenge on everyone who is connected to her fathers death (which happens to be the entire cast of S;G). Nae is basically the Darth Vader of CERN. No, Nae was in the house when Tennouji commits suicide. The construction site is just on the anime version, so they dont have to deal with the bathshit crazy Nae. |
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AiCon said: Kansokusha said: Nae wasn't named as the psycho girl in the S;G anime.What do you mean by "never named in S;G"? Well, when you said that I comprehended it as "didn't have a name". IIRC, Okabe never called Nae by name once. Just Little Animal. Or Sister Braun. Heh. AiCon said: I've only seen the anime version. Bummer. You should check the VN. XD |
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ramses90 said: im the only one here who think this anime copy some ideas from 20th century boy and lain and mix those ? and that happens too with Steins;Gate,take ideas from The Butterfly Effect movies,the book: the time machine and some of terminator and mix again the ideas ? ... And Chaos;Head, if you look closer, if very similar to "Total Recal"l (The old one). This is SciADV for you. |
| The first really good episode imo, but it sill feels kinda weak. Something just feels missing and it just feels wrong for some reason. This could've been much better if it had proper direction, this just lacks the impact, while the show itself it also talking about impact... That's ironic. |
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| SERN and Braun was mentioned. ftw i'm worried about Frau :/ and to think that yashio is being led like this..can't wait next ep!!! |
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MasterMeNL said: The first really good episode imo, but it sill feels kinda weak. Something just feels missing and it just feels wrong for some reason. This could've been much better if it had proper direction, this just lacks the impact, while the show itself it also talking about impact... That's ironic. Yeah, I thought so too. |
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| ohh S;G character mentions~ |
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OGHelios said: Nae was a badass. Frau figuring things out on her own. Jaxa lowkey is prepared to fight the Committee of 300 (would be great if they came from Sparta lol). Can't wait for the next episode. Actually, just like John Titor, The Committee of 300 isn't an invention of the makers of C;H/S;G/R;N. also, just reading that wiki entry... "Another author writes that the group may also be known as the "Hidden Hand"..." What was the password Kai got from Airi (or was it Genji-nee?) again? :D Also, Nae kicking ass for great Justice was made of win, though I cannot give her the first place. Suzuha is still occupying it. |
| I want Rambo in a mecha-suit with a laser-chainsaw gun that fires nuclear warheads, fighting the love-child of Predator, Alien, a group of Bangladeshi terrorists, and Satan. (Actually that would be a pretty sick show) - StopDropAndBowl |
AiCon said: I've only seen the anime version. Well, that explains all, you really should read the VN. |
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| Wow, the series really went almost full-on S;G and C;H crossover there. Especially C;H . A little suprising 'I'm old and my hair is gray but I still make it look as cool as possible'-san is a good guy. |
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Wordsmith said: OGHelios said: Nae was a badass. Frau figuring things out on her own. Jaxa lowkey is prepared to fight the Committee of 300 (would be great if they came from Sparta lol). Can't wait for the next episode. Actually, just like John Titor, The Committee of 300 isn't an invention of the makers of C;H/S;G/R;N. also, just reading that wiki entry... "Another author writes that the group may also be known as the "Hidden Hand"..." What was the password Kai got from Airi (or was it Genji-nee?) again? :D Also, Nae kicking ass for great Justice was made of win, though I cannot give her the first place. Suzuha is still occupying it. That's why I like the SciADV series, they know how to use some real life example to their series & put some twist in it. Man just marathon until this ep, I always knew that Kimijima is the villain, not Sawada because of his report just feel very ominous. The music in this ep also very good. - So the Noah machine from C;H have been upgraded to IV & even portable!! - They also use S;G's SERN black hole things to start the catastrophe, damn. - Misaki in expo is a delusion is also unexpected, never see that coming. - Knew that Kagome Kagome song is some sort of trigger because in C;H Let Me Pass also work like that, sort of... Though Airi actually sing it make it more creepier. - S Braun lol, Nae got some move there. Thank God she save Frau in time. Glad that I read C;H & S;G VN to understand all the reference. XD Kimijima show up at the end, damn cliffhanger! |
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arena149 said: Not doubting your predictive power, but the fact that his reports feel ominous cannot be the deciding factor for knowing Kimijima is the villain I think? It can be just as possible that he is really a good guy trying to expose the ominous happenings planned by the 500 Committee, for example.I always knew that Kimijima is the villain, not Sawada because of his report just feel very ominous. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| SERN does it again! It took awhile to get here, but we finally have things tied together. Excited for the conclusion. |
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