Raise wa Tanin ga Ii Episode 12 Discussion

Where is the episode from the intro with Kirishima carrying Yoshino while running and jumping down the stairs?!? That looked like a hell of an episode we'll most likely never get to see! I was robbed, Goddamn it! ROBBED!!! 😡🤬

I'm sad this season is over! This one of my favorites for this season.

Crazy that Yoshino gave him the silent treatment. Kirishima's commitment to trying to get her to talk was pure dedication. All the food he made sounded so good. Yoshino looked so cute in her white dress and updo! The lotion scene was unsettling though ngl

I was hoping we'd find out why Kirishima thinks Shoma is being used and a dog to the org.

Genuinely confused about what's going on with the car crash and wanting to get revenge on Renji? Why did they have to end on a damn cliffhanger? Its annoying bc so many anime this season ended with a cliffhanger, why? (Dandandan, I'll become a villainess who goes down in history, and as of right now this one)

8/10 for me, it was a unique and interesting story. The characters were fun to watch. The animation style was rather interesting, but it wasn't horrible. Second lead syndrome is real though. I hope we get a second season

I would think it's because Kirishima doesn't think much of the yakuza, its structure, the hierarchy, its goals. And from my understanding of the yakuza, he's not wrong to think so, especially the lower ranks don't have much a say in what's happening. Kirishima claims he's not part of the yakuza, even if he gets his hands dirty he does it for his own gain (if I rememeber correctly), he has no delusions of being part of a "family". The thing is, the anime omitted Shouma's backstory and left only a cryptic "We choose to stay/be there".




You need the manga to get the backstory and be able to go back and re-read and understand, and even in the manga we haven't reached the conclusion of this.

Offscreen, even plenty of relationships in actual real life aren't on "equal footing" due to all forms of disparities, be it financial, intellectual, societal position and legal standing, physical strength, nationality and immigration status, etc. Or any combination thereof.

Equality, for many folks, isn't the end goal or be all end all in a relationship, romantic/sexual, familial, or otherwise. Whether in life or in fiction. Firstly because it's often not a top priority or even a ranking acknowledged priority of either or both parties involved, and second of all, even in cases where it is, people often have a radically different view of what constitutes or is an acceptable form of equality. What appears unequal to you in a negative or abusive way may be unequal yet regardless ideal to another pair or not unequal at all because of some other factor at play which you aren't privy to. In the case of a fictional account we only have what has been written or shown to us, so for Raise wa Tanin ga Ii and Yoshino, she's been surrounded and brought up by ruthless violent men her entire life. Her grandfather is one. So in the first place her comfortability and threshold of tolerance to all that and how she relates to it is probably wildly different from the beginning.

Now, that's not to say because a romance makes sense for the characters in the context of their lives and worlds from what we know of them, and is enjoyable viewing for others, that it has to at all be a desirable one to the taste of every single person in the audience. Of course not.

But then, if your main complaint is over this power balance or "equal" issue, I feel like there are approximately 1 trillion other romances to watch, in anime and beyond it, like all the more standard vanilla middle school and high school romcoms. Even those sometimes arouse complaints from people over some ecchi-style content, but usually the actual give and take of any relationship to the extent it's shown is very by the book reciprocal and gentle. It doesn't really make sense to go into a crime romance anime and expect the values and proclivities of organized crime members and their immediate family members would line up with that. Like, isn't the whole point to be a little deviant and spicy? And being truthful, this is tame and mild as hell compared to a lot of stuff out there. If anything, Kirishima's portrayed a little too nice and attentive (exclusively to Yoshino) compared to the realistic equivalent of a yakuza gangster thug in his position and in that relationship. But if the relationship was overly artificially more balanced, as you suggest, it'd seem even less realistic and more predictable and dull.

Someone who resorts to personal attacks right out of the gate is about the level of closed-mindedness I'd expect from someone who authored your original comment. You can likewise do the same (The "fuck right off" and all that jazz), but beyond that, it's important to clarify a few things:

You seem to be misunderstanding the purpose or intent behind a previous post of mine if you're assuming posting the amount of series I've seen, which I've been doing for years on here, has anything whatsoever to do with "validation purposes". More like one of multiple forms of keeping track of it and OCD. What "validation"? If I or someone else had seen a total of four series, there's nothing wrong with and no shame in that. And on the opposite end there are others on this site who've seen many hundreds more than me, over a thousand, or whichever figure. Do you think it's a boast? What difference does it make how many series one has seen or not other than as a point of curiosity and conversation? It says nothing about the value of a person, myself or any other, for watching more or less. What a pathetic and ignorant, petty, puerile, small-minded nonsense way of thinking, but again, perfectly in line with the mentality of someone who could author a comment like the one you originally did. It all squares.

The suggested character changes would be less realistic and dull, you think that's a "shit opinion" and I think precisely the same of such a proposal, but whatever - that's like debating whether some food item tastes good or not or your favorite color. It makes sense to state your original positions on it (as you did and then I responded), but beyond that it's pointless as it's obvious we won't agree on that even remotely.

But again, you watch a series with what's implied to be a "toxic romance" as the centerpiece and then create, according to you, your first post in a while on the forum to whine about it apparently not being egalitarian enough even though what you propose and complain about runs contrary to the entire point of the anime and why many would flock to watch it in the first place. Just nonsensical.

Now whether you consider pointing that basic observation out an attempted "college course", ignore it, just jump into rabid cursing insult hysterics, or whatever suits you, fine, but if you write something on the forum someone disagrees with and they have the time, energy, and interest enough to respond, then expect it to be responded to. Doesn't really matter what you "need" or not. Too bad as that's how it works.