Butt cheeks and Nipples Confirmed removed via Episode Leaks

WAHHHHHHH WAAAAAHHHHHH THERES NO NIPPLE WAAAAAHHHHH
HOW AM I GOING TO ENJOY MY SHOUNEN ANIME WITHOUT NIPPLES WAAAAHHHHH

do you realise how stupid you sound

@Mr_Sai

i hate having to say this NO ONE is forcing them to work for MAPPA nor is anyone obligated to like something based on how hard someone worked on it

people want to see things done faithfully, end of story

Only when the change is the loss of nipples. If the adaptation is more lewd and adds nipples, then it's fine?

@Fail_Man_X

If an adaptation is more lewd and adds nipples I'm not going to complain obviously but I'd expect others who are familiar with the material to

Like Mieruko-chan being turned borderline ecchi, I mean, if the manga wasn't like that then I'm not mad at the people who complained about it's adaptation even if I loved the change

I wouldn't tell them to "get over it" or "stop whining"


And wouldnt we agree is it's usually the removal of stuff that pisses people off more so than the addition of something?

Inclusion (attempted global audience) through exclusion (censorship) is never the way and doesn't work

No one likes seeing their hobby or entertainment get cucked just so more people might watch it

That's what happened to Marvel, Star Wars, western comics and video games

People who wouldn't normally watch Ranma or Urusei Yatsura aren't suddenly gonna watch them cause they removed the nipples

Remove the ecchi tag.

I am so mad right now.

@EcchiGodMamster I don't think the lack of nipples is so related to gobal audience (they would likely censor more things if Americans were the main audience). In itself, mainstream anime has turn more "prude" in the last years.

Of course, there are still anime with a lot of ecchi in Japan. However, these are shown on not mainstream channels and timeslots.

@Mr_Sai

i hate having to say this NO ONE is forcing them to work for MAPPA nor is anyone obligated to like something based on how hard someone worked on it

people want to see things done faithfully, end of story

1. "Faithful" doesn't always automatically translate to "good".
2. You make it sound like it's entire story or characters being changed, and act like not showing some nipples is the end of the world.

@Oongbuh

Obviously "faithfully" doesn't necessarily mean 100% spot on, but censorship is censorship and excusing one thing because "it doesn't change much" is how you end up with today's avalanche of censorship but people saying, "its just one snowball"... then another... then another

Since people were ignoring the butt crack removal I felt obligated to add pics. Even some non ecchi anime like russia girl are not ashamed to show butt shots with panties and that is pg13.

@rohan121 You mean the lowres leak that can barely underline finer detail, having a supposed butt crack removal of a rather non-existent buttcrack display in this very same scene in the manga?


You are making a bad faith argument, they added that extra shot to the anime.

How about you add some other buttcrack shots which you can actually see better and compare them to the manga? Oh right, if you read the manga, you would know there aren't ANY lol

And even then, Mappa still gave us one anyway, how about you post that too?

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Another one not in the manga, btw:


Ranma doesn't have much else in terms of fanservice other than nipples, and even that isn't exactly highly detailed, the nipples are mostly little circles that rarely get some actually detailed shape. You don't even miss much without those. As is, the new anime is actually more fanservicey than the manga (excluding the mostly circle nipples, I suppose). The manga also has a whole ton of nippleless nudity, at that.

Might as well just rewatch the original at this point.



Which had plenty of fanservice.

The Urusei Yatsura remake suffered from same issue.

@Danpmss same scene?
isn't the anime from ch15-16 and manga you're showing from ch1?

@Luc36 HAH. and where's your buttcrack in there? Mappa delivered what you wanted, when the manga didn't.
You hate to see it.

And yeah. they added it in, extra fanservice right there. For you complaining the anime is omitting fanservice.

Also, here's an actual direct comparison of scenes (Mappa also gave us some nipple shapes in their nippleless body btw).

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@Danpmss huh? who said i talking about buttcrack?
i just asking the same scene that you said. and manga showing far more better than that buttcrack though so i don't complain.

@EcchiGodMamster It's just missing the nipples, because Mappa has the artistic choice of never putting nipples in their anime (happened with other titles like Dorohedoro in the past). The boob jiggle physics and nudity are still all there to be seen, and so are the sexual jokes/tension, not much different from something like Love Hina and Negima in that regard (massively known harem ecchi series with nippleless fanservice).

The adaptation was pitch perfect, and you guys complain about nipples from a studio that never use nipples, c'mon. You should know better about that at the very least, the nippleless nudity "censorship" didn't make Vinland Saga 2, Dororo, Shingeki no Bahamut (both), Garo (all) or Jigokuraku any better or worse in quality, it literally changes nothing when the focus isn't the fanservice (likewise Ranma's biggest attractives is the romcom by a long shot -especially the com part- not the fanservice).

Mappa doesn't like nipples, that's an artistic choice from them period, it has little to do with censorship (I listed a bunch of original animes from them to prove that point). If they wanted to censor something, there's plenty to get rid of in every single one of these series.

Hell, I'd argue they hypersexualized series if anything, despite the nippleless streak (Kakegurui has almost none of that horny energy in the manga, and the anime sucks because of that, it messes with what actually mattered most). Punch Line was a prime example that they can do full ecchi even without nipples.

Ranma as it was adapted is very faithful to the manga, the sexual parts feel just as right as in the manga (not exaggerated nor toned down, just without nipples). The old anime is the thing that actually toned up a bit the fanservice (like the poses and full shots, and even that took like a big percentage of the nipples from the manga), the new adaptation goes more towards a panel-by-panel approach.

@Luc36 Let me remind you, since your short term memory is not that great:



The manga just show nipples, and one of which is a super rare example in which they aren't just circles in the manga. The anime shows everything else it does and a bit more. There's no buttcrack removal. The manga has no buttcrack on display to begin with.

@EcchiGodMamster You can start your argument on that without bullshitting about removed buttcracks that weren't in there originally in the first place. Makes for a terrible display on my book. The nipples change literally nothing in this particular case, my point is that you are caring too much about it (a whole lot of nippleless nudity in the manga too).

It was obvious MAPPA wouldn't include nipples, because they never do, even for their original releases. It's less about censorship and more about artistic choice. You not liking censorship doesn't defend you from making slanderous claims about their work in the series (especially when, quite ironically, they added more fanservice, even buttcrack shots you complained they supposedly were censoring).

@Danpmss I question this part though... I just confused why showing 2 different scene but saying the very same scene.

i have no plan to re-read this and i read this series like 20y+ ago so my memory already vague about this, i will just leave it as it is.

you're thinking about someone else, i never said anything about a buttcrack? when did i say that? wtf?

i've never read the manga or seen the original anime, i've only seen clips from it

i can care "too much" about whatever the hell i want to, thank you



removing sexual content is censorship, we all know why sexual content is removed from anime, just because a studio "never shows nipples" doesn't mean its not censorship

@Luc36
In short, that scene is the scene in which the buttcrack is in display in the anime.
It's just a bathtub shot in the manga (the image I linked), the new anime added a backshot of female Ranma instead (a shot not present even in the sexier OG anime adaptation either).

Point is, people complaining about it not being fanservicey like the original anime have to understand that was way more detailed with nudity than the original material (which the new anime follows much closer, starting with an actual adaptation of the full battle in the ice ring from the manga, and not the random anime original conclusion).

We are getting an outstanding, miraculous re-adaptation of the manga, and people are complaining about a couple of circles in there missing here lol
The nipple nudity in the manga isn't even higher in number than the nippleless nudity in there as well (an example from above, people complained about a scene lacking nipples, when in the manga it was a nippleless scene, made sexier in the first anime).

That's some of the stupidest complains I've seen around these parts in a while. So I do beg forgiveness if I sounded rude, but Jesus Christ. One of my favorite mangas getting an adaptation of this quality being nitpicked for being less sexualized than the first adaptation do get on my nerves a bit.

@EcchiGodMamster

Oh, that's on me, you both have a tanned anime girl as a profile pic and are defending the same argument in a way, so I mixed the two of you, sorry about that. But my point stands.

Anyway. as I was saying, I do not deny artistic choice or not, you are removing something, and therefore censoring what was once there, however minimally. My argument is about the intention of said censorship. And it's less about censorship and more about artistic choice, I repeat.

It may be censorship all the same if you are removing something, but the OP is treating this like if he was flamebaiting this as an anti-ecchi agenda, to quote:


Which is not the case, the fanservice is still all there with some more (hell, they added buttcheeks/cracks that weren't even there), it just doesn't have nipples. It's just intellectually disonest, especially when you are complaining about censorship that isn't even in the original (in fact, extra fanservice in the new anime).

I don't care if it's censored or not but the fact that they went the Barbie doll route to censor the nipples is weird as fuck. It doesn't look good.

What I'm more excited about is that this seems like a more faithful adaptation with almost no cuts unlike Urusei Yatsura remake. They're probably gonna start cutting chapters after the episodic stuff begins but I hope they'll actually adapt the popular chapters for this at the very least and also finish the damn series unlike the original Ranma 1/2 adaptation. That'd be more than enough to make this adaptation superior to the original.

@Danpmss Aren't the first image actually also showing front shot too in the manga?

@Luc36 That other shot with the bare boobs in the page was adapted in the anime. The buttcrack shot is the bonus I'm talking about that was absent (much like all other few Mappa added), and it happens in the screenshotted panel I posted, which is what Ranma says while it happened.


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@EcchiGodMamster
No, you still don't get it. that's literally what this particular studio does to every single anime displaying nudity even late night or in BD releases.

It's not FOR censorship in itself, it's just what they ALWAYS go with, even with their very own original anime that isn't adapting something else with nipples on display. Every single Mappa anime production without exception has the artistic choice of just using nippleless bodies even in scenes of explicitly sexual nature, regardless if it's in the uncensored versions being aired or released physically (which usually uncensor gory moments or show more skin/panties' cameltoes/etc (in the case of Punch Line).

So yes, it IS a conscious artistic choice to just use nippleless bodies, regardless of how ecchi they are going with the content (Punch Line and Kakegurui being hornier than a whole lot of ecchi anime that shows nipples). We have no way of knowing how people in the studio feel about it, but that's just how Mappa works with nudity.

Look on the positive side if you are an ecchi enthusiast though. They are at least compensating by sexualizing it a bit more and including more nudity shots not present in the manga (buttcracks are all anime original). So yeah, while you lose some (nipples), you still win some if you really want a bit of spice to go with your comedy gold romcom.

@Danpmss

While I do see what you're saying, the fact remains that nipples aren't removed from something where they existed before for artistic choice, they're removed because they aren't allowed to be shown in certain instances, this is no exception

Creatively covering nipples from the start would be artistic choice

And I'm sure deep down the studio knows people don't want them removed

I never said it was an agenda against ecchi, I never said the show was ruined, and I completely believe it'll still be raunchy

But it's still censorship

@EcchiGodMamster Creatively covering nipples isn't an artistic choice. That's definitely censoring nipples because they can't show nipples on mainstream channels. Not to mention that those creative ways of covering nipples are usually pretty poor. I will totally hate they do this for Ranma 1/2.

That's why I'm happy with the "no nipples" compromise. At least, they can show the characters' bodies without any problem that way.

as far as I'm concerned a studio shouldn't adapt a series:

- with nipples if theyre just going to remove them

- with pantyshots if theyre just gonna remove them

- with blood and gore if theyre just gonna tone it the fuck down (like how theyre making a new Fist of the North Star, who knows how hard the violence IT WAS KNOWN FOR is gonna get cut)

- if it has sexy shots they feel don't need to be in the anime

-SKIPPING WHOLE ASS CHAPTERS AND ARCS

etc

if you're gonna remove shit people like to see, don't use material with it in the first place

i find it extremely disrepectful to the creator/creators/artists of the the source material, especially as an artist myself, i know if people removed stuff from my work, i'd be pissed and wouldn't give a shit what the reason was, so i will NEVER not feel this way

and considering how they tend not to complain in Japan due to their culture, you don't always truly know how mangaka feel about adaptations of their work. they could simply be agreeing to have their work adapted by whoever cause if they don't say yes they think they'll never get another opportunity and therefore don't have a choice. its not like they themselves get to decide much

theres already been several mangaka who have said their work was adaptated incorrectly or not with their vision in mind or even that they were forced to make changes they didnt want to... who fucking knows what others are thinking and just not saying in a culture where you "can't say no"

@EcchiGodMamster I mean, there are also many people who don't have issue with changes on their work. Not to mention that what are important changes for some people are not important changes for others.

Honestly, it's pretty likely Rumiko Takahashi doesn't have a lot of issue with the lack of nipples, since she must have known that Mappa don't usually draw nipples when she gave them the rights to Ranma 1/2.

no no, i mean creatively covering them FROM THE START/SOURCE.. like never showing them in the first place is artistic choice

if somoene doesn't sexualize their drawings/art in whichever way, or at all, from the get-go, THAT is artistic choice

i was already saying that "if they were there before and now theyre not, for reasons" then of course its censorship

so yes, whats going on with Ranma is 100% censorship

Since people were ignoring the butt crack removal I felt obligated to add pics. Even some non ecchi anime like russia girl are not ashamed to show butt shots with panties and that is pg13.

@EcchiGodMamster Honestly, even if the creatively covering nipples is from the source, it still likely happened because they aren't allowed to show nipples in that media. That still could be considered censorship.

Mappa not drawing nipples is likely censorship (although this seems to be normal for them), but I'm just happy they aren't reducing the nudity.

as far as I'm concerned a studio shouldn't adapt a series:

- with nipples if theyre just going to remove them

- with pantyshots if theyre just gonna remove them

- with blood and gore if theyre just gonna tone it the fuck down (like how theyre making a new Fist of the North Star, who knows how hard the violence IT WAS KNOWN FOR is gonna get cut)

- if it has sexy shots they feel don't need to be in the anime

-SKIPPING WHOLE ASS CHAPTERS AND ARCS

etc

if you're gonna remove shit people like to see, don't use material with it in the first place

i find it extremely disrepectful to the creator/creators/artists of the the source material, especially as an artist myself, i know if people removed stuff from my work, i'd be pissed and wouldn't give a shit what the reason was, so i will NEVER not feel this way

and considering how they tend not to complain in Japan due to their culture, you don't always truly know how mangaka feel about adaptations of their work. they could simply be agreeing to have their work adapted by whoever cause if they don't say yes they think they'll never get another opportunity and therefore don't have a choice. its not like they themselves get to decide much

theres already been several mangaka who have said their work was adaptated incorrectly or not with their vision in mind or even that they were forced to make changes they didnt want to... who fucking knows what others are thinking and just not saying in a culture where you "can't say no"

@EcchiGodMamster Considering that Rumiko is basically a queen in the mangaka world, and that she usually oversees and makes requests for all the adaptations of her works and is highly respected by any production comittee in existence, I doubt she was in any way bothered by the removal of nipples in both Urusei Yatsura and Ranma 1/2 for these new adaptations.

She herself used a lot of nippleless nudity in her mangas (including those two lol), and after Ranma (starting from Inuyasha), after around volume 15, she herself toned down her nudity and violence quite a bit (apparently because she felt that Inuyasha got a bit too extreme in that regard), and she never looked back (hell, around that very same time when production started, she even made requests for Sunrise -which was quite infamous for some fanservice around that time because of Gundam Seed- to tone things down and not to show Kagome's panties in the anime under any circumstances).



She ever since drawn about 100+ volumes worth of manga without much gore or any nipples (as well as following her own "no pantyshot" rule). If anything I'd say she wasn't a big fan on how many of those were added in the old Ranma anime (which had a whole lot of panties on display with Happousai flipping the skirts of a thousand girls). Needless to say, Inuyasha, unlike the previous two shounen manga of hers, was the first to take away nudity overall in the anime adaptation.

So I'm sure you, as an artist, may be happy that this is probably coming from Rumiko herself, that preferred to tone down some things in her works ever since like 20-ish years ago. So yeah, Mappa and Wit were quite the great picks from her in that case (considering both have nippleless nudity in every single one of their animes). I think it's more likely that this isn't at all a coincidence, considering the entire background.

If that's the case, the author's wishes, would you still consider censorship and blame the artist for what they wish to do with their art?

if it is entirely 100% her decision and she's not simplying complying with standards/coping, then sure, i can't be mad about it

however, if this is supposed to be a more faithful adaptation, its still technically censorship

@EcchiGodMamster
Yeah, can't argue against that myself, by definition of the word and comparing A to B.
But I do think it's a perfectly reasonable case of toning down the original mangas a bit, when Rumiko herself is one such author that toned herself down and asked for committes to do the same for her own work in the past.

Well then! Thanks for the discussion, I could introduce some cool trivia because of it and even learned about some other tidbits myself (didn't know Wit was a nippleless studio before I checked everything in the meantime lol).