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Mar 12, 2022 8:55 AM
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NextUniverse said:
Just thought I'd ask to see where people would have wanted the series end. Some people are complaining about new sequel, most are hyped, but what is your stand on it.

Personally, I think it should have ended with Rebellion, it would have been an amazing bittersweet ending, but I haven't even watched this and only vague theories will show how movie 4 will end.


It definitely should have ended with Rebellion. The ending was unexpected but at the same time a perfect conclusion for what I would call a perfect movie. Tho a sequel doesn't hurt. I just wanna see more of my fav's!!
Mar 20, 2022 1:08 AM

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indeed, we need more answer to rebellion, considering rebellion was hilariously weird with unexplained twist, original ending was better imo
Mar 22, 2022 1:02 AM
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Are you broken? Rebellion most certainly was *not* a resolution, although I'll be damned if it wasn't f***ing incredible. A sequel is most certainly needed, I'm not sure why that's a question.
Mar 23, 2022 6:21 AM
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I think they could've just stopped at Rebellion because topping that is near impossible. If they do that I'll be damned
Mar 30, 2022 7:54 AM
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All the other characters found their peace, but the original TV series never really showed Homura letting go, and Rebellion saw her only dig the hole deeper. In classical Urobuchi style, that means we're not done with her until she either lets go or takes a bullet to the back.

My expectations are that this sequel will address that problem somehow. Until it does, Homura will feel like an incomplete character.
Apr 9, 2022 10:26 AM
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Can't understand people who are saying, that Rebellion ended it perfectly. It certainly wasn't a real Ending, there was so much left open, that it blows my mind. It would have been different, if the Director made a clear statement that this was indeed the finale.But since Urobotchi finished the Story for the Sequel in 2014, it is clear that a Sequel was decided from the get go. Why they took 8 freaking years, god knows. This is always risky, because Rebellion was at the peak of Madokas Hypetrain and yet they decided to let the Hype die down.
Apr 12, 2022 2:39 AM

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I think Madoka is in the unique position were the original ending was good, but so was the choice to extend it. Rebellion ended with a hard cliffhanger though and we have speculated about a proper sequel basically since it launched. I remember seeing an interview from the VA and director implying the original take sounded "too final" so I always had hope.

I wouldnt mind if this continues for more than just movie 4, as long as the quality remains high. 12 eps and 2 movies is barely 2 cours, so thats definitely not an oversaturation or milking.

Speaking of which, is this supposed to be related to the mobile game/anime in any way?
"This emotion is mine alone.
It is for Madoka alone." - Homura
or how I would descripe Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica.
Apr 12, 2022 8:11 PM

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Ryoketsu said:
The anime had a perfect ending that needed nothing else, while Rebellion's ending screams for a sequel. The third movie was never necessary, but after it, the fourth movie is extremely necessary to close everything that the third left open.

This. Thank you.
You just forgot to mention that Rebellion sucks, since TV series has a perfect ending/closure, just like Code Geass.
Apr 13, 2022 1:31 AM
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ShadowUnown said:
Ryoketsu said:
The anime had a perfect ending that needed nothing else, while Rebellion's ending screams for a sequel. The third movie was never necessary, but after it, the fourth movie is extremely necessary to close everything that the third left open.

You just forgot to mention that Rebellion sucks, since TV series has a perfect ending/closure, just like Code Geass.


Except it doesn't.
Nov 17, 2022 11:18 AM

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Hatreddd said:
indeed, we need more answer to rebellion, considering rebellion was hilariously weird with unexplained twist, original ending was better imo


Nothing of sorts. Everything is explained in the series, maybe you failed to understand it. There are a bunch of good video's on YouTube that explain it.





Yes. Both the anime and the Rebellion had perfect endings alone. The rebellion was not necessary, yet it ended up fitting very well in the story.. When you look at how the anime evolved you see a pattern. At the end of the anime, Madoka made a selfish choice, ignorant of Homura's feelings and how it would affect her when she chose to become a God but let Homura be the only one to remember her. In Rebellion it was Homura who made a selfish choice in overwriting Madoka's will and choices. At the same time, both choices were selfless. Madoka sacrificed herself to save the magical girls from becoming witches. Homura on the other hand, chose to bring Madoka back after she realized that Madoka herself was a normal girl who wouldn't make that choice and wouldn't want to leave her family and friends and be forgotten. Both choices were made out of love, but their ideals are different. So in the 4th movie, we need them to confront those ideals, and rather than make selfish choices for each other, look each other in the eyes, and make a choice together. Unlike the anime, Rebellion had an open ending, which made it clear that a confrontation between Madoka and Homura was unavoidable. We need a conclusion.
Dec 8, 2022 5:11 PM
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This is more of a situation of all the media is so good that theoretically in could’ve ended with just the first season, but Rebellion already foreshadowed in the end that Madoka and Homura would face each other one day. If Rebellion just ended with Homura dancing after she talks to Sayaka then it may have been a perfect conclusion, but the bridge scene is to powerful a moment that suggests the battle between Homura and Madoka is just beginning.
May 2, 2023 2:56 PM
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Rebellion certainly wasn't needed and its ending was ridiculous. So if this one continues the Rebellion route, I won't be looking forward to it.

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May 9, 2023 12:44 PM
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I mostly love the Rebellion movie, but I very much dislike the ending. 

And Shaft totally botched the anime adaption of Magia Record like, DAMN.

Right now this is my most-anticipated project in either film or anime, but I'm VERY nervous that they may screw it up again.
Jul 9, 2023 6:50 AM
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I just think it should've ended with the main series. Perfectly fine, sad and bittersweet ending with Homura never truly achieving her desire to be with Madoka, the latter managing to save everyone (and potentially the universe) from Walpurgisnacht.
Honestly I didn't really like Rebellion, it ruined it for me, so that's why I believe the sequel movie is needed. Plus one major asset of the series, that being Walpurgisnacht, never received any background or details surrounding her identity, and I hope for this to happen with the sequel movie. Like, who or what is Walpurgisnacht, exactly?
Nov 8, 2023 2:32 PM
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i want a happy ending for homura, please creator senpai
@GothPuppy A happy ending with everything she did isn't easy, and neither I think it is what I want to see.
I have shipped Madoka x Homura ever since Rebellion, they are probably my yuri OTP due to everything Homura did for Madoka, so I want that twisted love to be explored, but whatever outcome comes from that... what I want is for Homura to be satisfied with what she achieved in life leading to this.

I want everything she did to matter, to maybe break Madoka and the other girls out of the loop for good, but I don't think such a thing would fit the movie and the series without heavy sacrifices and consequences.
A happy ending will not fit this series.

Such an odd affirmation, anyone would normally want a happy ending for their favorite works, but the genius of this franchise is that it twisted my feelings for it to the point even if we get something horrible (not in the sense that sucks, but very fucked up), i m all for it, as long as the journey made me genuinely feel for the characters and see once again all that sweet despair.
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I don't really mind tbh as long as this one doesn't pull a pyscho pass s2

The rest of Psycho-Pass after S2 is good imo
Mar 10, 5:43 PM
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Yes, it's very much needed.

The original show didn't really allow Homura to grow and change. Even after Madoka ascended she remained in the same "i fight for madoka" loop, just in terms of activity instead of time.

Rebellion was the first step of the healing process; Homura coming to the realization that she's sick was an important step, but it stopped short of presenting a solution. Ultimately, I think she needs to let Madoka go, else she'll always be stuck in her orbit. Given that Urobuchi is all about turning down unilateral ideals I expect this to be a hard process--one that will continue to hurt her the more she resists, but one that she must succeed at if there's any hope for a happy ending here.
Apr 14, 1:08 AM
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Rebellion ended on a cliffhanger, so this one is definitely needed. I hope they'll give us a satisfying resolution to this saga
Jun 2, 7:56 AM

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Personally would've wanted this series to stay as grounded as it was instead of turning into space goo... like every anime ever.
But I'll probably watch this 4th movie as well, when it's available for me. Maybe.
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i guess it was needed since i kinda want to see homucifer defeated,the law of cycles and madoka fully repaired and whole again but if it doesn’t happen in this movie,i hate to wait another 10 years or so
Jun 9, 5:24 AM
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I'm very late to the party, I didn't know this project was even announced back in 2021, lol.

Anyway, I personally think a new ending is required. Hangyaku was an excellent movie, but not a good end point for this story. For me, it's not about getting a happy ending or not, it's about tying loose ends, and the ends were very loosely tied at the end of the movie... or not even tied at all.
Everything changes. Even the happy and funny things eventually disappear. How can I still enjoy this place then?
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I was perfectly happy with how the TV series ended. Rebellion was... Interesting, and I don't know if I like it or not. I admire it for it's artistic side, but have mixed feelings regarding the story.

Overall, I'd absolutely watch the 4th movie and really curious how will the story conclude.
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Tbh I think I liked some of the side stories in Magia Record more than Rebellion. They should adapt the one when Madoka in a moment of foolishness and kindness turns Charlotte back into a human girl but it backfires horribly. It think it showed the flaws and strengths of Madoka's character better than Rebellion. She means well but her kindness is like a double edged sword.

Rebellion mostly focuses on Homura's angst which I have personally never found all that interesting? Her backstory is kind of vague, why is Madoka so important to her? Why is she more important than the other girls? My guess is that Madoka will be sidelined again while all the focus is on Homura's vague feelings (lesbian love?) that will probably never become more than subtext. But if it does become more than subtext, how does Madoka truly feel about her? If Homura's feelings actually are romantic, does Madoka reciprocate? If there is one thing left to explore it's probably that. If Utena could have canon lesbians back in the 90s, why can't this modern series...?
Aug 20, 2:48 AM
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rebellion felt like it had no clear ending but more of a cliffhanger for a more proper end to the entire series
Aug 20, 3:50 AM
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The character arc for both Madoka and Homura hasn't finished, both still don't appreciate themselves and their lives. The fourth movie should either be the tragic ending of the magical girls who couldn't see the worth in their lives or them learning their worth
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I just need more Homura in my life.
Aug 27, 10:32 AM

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short answer yes,
long answer no.
Sep 16, 12:33 AM

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No.

Series ending was actually amazing. Movie ending I personally really liked still. I don't think it needs to keep going.
Sep 16, 7:03 PM

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No.

Series ending was actually amazing. Movie ending I personally really liked still. I don't think it needs to keep going.
@Gar_Logan The sequel is necessary. We clearly saw the universe re-written by Homura is very unstable and her altitude of feeling guilt and smirk is also problematic. We need to know what the contradiction of causality caused by Homura's decision will bring about and how it will be resolved.
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I needed it. I certainly didn't feel rebellion was a satisfying ending to the series.

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They could have stopped at TV and that'd be fine but Rebellion is an awful ender. Homura doesn't deserve to get things her way, her mind's clearly corrupted. What happens when Madoka dies of old age or an accident Homura can't prevent no matter what? Would Homura forcefully reincarnate her? Assuming that's possible, it would prob work in way similar to how Godoka housed pre-witch magical girl in her realm somewhere. As much as I love Homura, her world sucks and while, consciously or not, she did give some positive attention to to other magical girls, Madoka is pretty much her sole focus. Godoka had compassion for everybody.

In my preferred ending, Homura joins Godoka's side and is tasked with watching over the Incubators. If it wasn't for them, Akuma might have never been born and we wouldn't want that happening again.

Or both Madoka and Homura die and we get re-enacment of the scene from TV where they were both lying on the ground before Madoka cleaned Homura's witch seed. Out of all flashback scene, I feel like this one showed them being the most close with each other. Madoka is supposed to inherit all her memories from the failed timelines, so I'm sure she understands how much of a trouble Homura can be if left alone.
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They could have stopped at TV and that'd be fine but Rebellion is an awful ender. Homura doesn't deserve to get things her way, her mind's clearly corrupted. What happens when Madoka dies of old age or an accident Homura can't prevent no matter what? Would Homura forcefully reincarnate her? Assuming that's possible, it would prob work in way similar to how Godoka housed pre-witch magical girl in her realm somewhere. As much as I love Homura, her world sucks and while, consciously or not, she did give some positive attention to to other magical girls, Madoka is pretty much her sole focus. Godoka had compassion for everybody.

In my preferred ending, Homura joins Godoka's side and is tasked with watching over the Incubators. If it wasn't for them, Akuma might have never been born and we wouldn't want that happening again.

Or both Madoka and Homura die and we get re-enacment of the scene from TV where they were both lying on the ground before Madoka cleaned Homura's witch seed. Out of all flashback scene, I feel like this one showed them being the most close with each other. Madoka is supposed to inherit all her memories from the failed timelines, so I'm sure she understands how much of a trouble Homura can be if left alone.
@Hakaminah Madoka's world wasn't perfect either. Even if there are no witches, magical girls still be created and fell into despair and tragedy under the the control of the Incubators, but Homura's rebellion finally broke this cycle and neutralized those cursed cats.

You should read the Wraith Arc, the manga that connects Season 1 and Rebellion.(Fucking Shaft should've animated this first before the Rebellion...)
There, in some ways, it's even worse than when the witches were around. It became harder for magical girls to survive from battle, and there's even Madoka's witch, which is even more disastrous than Walpurgisnacht and was prophesied directly to the destruction of the Earth.

Homura really did nothing wrong, and it's not even a meme.
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@Hakaminah Madoka's world wasn't perfect either. Even if there are no witches, magical girls still be created and fell into despair and tragedy under the the control of the Incubators, but Homura's rebellion finally broke this cycle and neutralized those cursed cats.

You should read the Wraith Arc, the manga that connects Season 1 and Rebellion.(Fucking Shaft should've animated this first before the Rebellion...)
There, in some ways, it's even worse than when the witches were around. It became harder for magical girls to survive from battle, and there's even Madoka's witch, which is even more disastrous than Walpurgisnacht and was prophesied directly to the destruction of the Earth.

Homura really did nothing wrong, and it's not even a meme.
@GETNAKED Next you're gonna tell me to watch YT of the video game that closed. I ain't got no time for that. Don't know how Madoka's witch could exist with her existence erased and I ain't got a damn to spare atm. Both the TV and the Rebellion movie were original titles, the latter build upon the former. That's all it needs to be. The series went multi-media has has like 20 mangas, no one's gonna read all that just to watch a movie.

And even if Homura's world was somehow better than Godoka's, she still sucks eggs so this ending for the series as a whole is nothing but lame. If she "did nothing wrong", then she would deserve a better ending than *this*.
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Probably relevant information: Urobuchi actually finished the script for the new film ~Fall 2014, it just got stuck in "development hell" for 10 years due to being a Shaft movie. I guess this doesn't necessarily invalidate the discourse of Rebellion as the ideal ending, but also on the creator side it was always intended as just another part of the story :p
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