Kano or Mahiru? Episode 9 Poll

MathMols said:
@Fail_Man_X she 100% should have punched her groupmate and yellow at Mahiru like that, both of those 2 deserves it.

Mahiru is basically saying “Fuck you Kano and our promise”. She could easily see that the mom only did this to break up Jelee with how perfect the schedule lines up, but still decides that the mom is more important than Kano and their promise.

I hope the show dont try to make them close again, Mahoru dont deserve to be with Kano and deserves more to be with the bitch of a mom

MathMols said:
@Kaze1214 Its just the correct take. Mahiru clearly only used Jelee for her own selfish reasons. Mahiru and the mom are trash and neither of them deserve to have Kano in their life

MathMols said:
@Kaze1214 The other joined cause they wanted to do it. She has a goal, which is a goal together with the others. On the other hand Mahiru literally said the mom is more important to her than Kano, Jelee and their promise to each other…

I feel bad for Kano that she had to have these 2 bitches in her life to only use her and break her heart

MathMols said:
@Kaze1214 The other joined cause they wanted to do it. She has a goal, which is a goal together with the others. On the other hand Mahiru literally said the mom is more important to her than Kano, Jelee and their promise to each other…

I feel bad for Kano that she had to have these 2 bitches in her life to only use her and break her heart

MathMols said:
@Kaze1214 She literally did imply that by accepting the offer and therefor saying she didnt want to keep the promise they made🤦🏼‍♂️ I have already given you valid reasons for why she is a bitch and the show itself did, but for some reason your brain cant understand it🤦🏼‍♂️

MathMols said:
@Kaze1214 She literally did imply that by accepting the offer and therefor saying she didnt want to keep the promise they made🤦🏼‍♂️ I have already given you valid reasons for why she is a bitch and the show itself did, but for some reason your brain cant understand it🤦🏼‍♂️

Myetx said:
@FabianPeters Kano needs to be more understanding and flexible. Everyone contributes their part for the project for free. Why Jelee cannot finish their music video after Mahiru finished with her project?

SenshadouOtaku said:

At no point did Marhiru say or even implied that “Kano’s mom is more important than their promise” 🤡

Kaze1214 said:

Yeah Mahiru never said that at any point. Stop trying to put in things that never happened. They all joined cause they wanted to do it.

From day 1, Mahiru has said she joined to improve her art and to love her heart again. Jelee allowed her that opportunity. Your argument is literally “Mahiru is a bitch” without actually giving a valid reason for that claim.

nickthegreek7 said:
why does it have to be a choice? Both are right, since their line of thought makes sense. Mahiru wants to take the chance, while Kano is hurt that her mother is about to steal her life again. Both are wrong, at the same time. Mahiru does not know the whole story, and she is basically leaving her group up in the air. Kano does not know how to control herself, hence why she always exaggerates.

WatchTillTandava said:
I just watched the episode a few minutes ago so it's ultra-fresh in my mind.

I don't think that either of them are in the wrong. Their perspectives, motivations, and their differing life circumstances up to that point which led to those different, clashing perspectives on this issue which happen to be in opposition to each other are honestly quite easily understandable. I feel like I can always understand the other perspective even if I don't necessarily personally agree with it, but sometimes it's definitely a lot more unreasonable and skewed in one direction (like maybe I'm 90% sympathetic to one side and only 10% toward the other), but not in this case. Both are perfectly understandable and it's pretty balanced.

In support of Kano, I really value and prize loyalty above virtually all other things and I have no doubt that if I were in her shoes, I also would take what I viewed as a betrayal extremely poorly and bitterly, and also have a meltdown. And it is something of a betrayal as it's not only about the importance of the relationships (that her relationship with Yoru/Mahiru is supposed to be more important than Yoru's relationship with Kano's mother, some random company, or any other random strangers she doesn't really know), but even if the relationships were all equal, she made a promise to Kano and the group, JELEE, first, and then is undermining and reneging on it for selfish personal gain. If you promise someone something and then go back on it because you later get asked to do something or receive a better offer from someone else, that can be very logically and understandably be interpreted as like a spit or slap in the face toward the first party and total disrespect, like they're being relegated to being treated as just something to amuse you and pass your time until a better offer comes along. It's expected if it's all just competing university invitations or job offers or something like that as those are institutions/businesses and not individual people you have a personal relationship with, and it's just transactional opportunism on both ends, but when you do it to an individual, you'd be braindead to expect it not to go over like a lead balloon.

In support of Yoru/Mahiru, Kano's mom's words to her were very inspirational and encouraging for an aspiring artist, and most of all for someone who has always questioned the value of their interests, passion, and what they do. She always had self-loathing tendencies and actually buried and suppressed the most beautiful inner part of herself, her inner light of her imagination and the ability to skillfully translate it to art out in the world, out of concern for social validation and fear of being ostracized and left behind for being weird or an outcast (kind of like Kiui ended up becoming) if she didn't keep her head down and conform. Now she has an opportunity to let that part of herself free and loose and actually be rewarded for it and even aided to better it and help it reach new heights (in terms of her personal ability if she receives more assistance for schooling and training, access to the best teachers, materials, computer graphics and video technology, etc.) as well as access to reach a greater audience - a national or maybe even global one, of which she never before dared even dreamed. Who could help wanting to give into "greed" of personal want and ambition in that scenario, or even doing so in the end? It's a part of her identity - something subconsciously viewed as even existential perhaps, and a large part of her whole motivation for living and joy derived from life. And at the end of the day, neither Kano nor anyone else that we know of has ever given up their lives - what they wanted to do with their lives - for Yoru, so why should Yoru do it or be expected to do it for anyone else, even including Kano?

One thing I was somewhat shocked by with this past episode in general though, and it ties into the conflict, is that we finally get Kano's backstory over why she punched that other idol girl and it wasn't what I would have expected. I didn't have an ultra-detailed specific theory in my mind as to why she did, but I thought in a general sense that it would have something to do with her mother being cruel to her and her lashing out and taking it out on one of the other idol girls, or that the idol girl who got punched would be super mean to her and bullying her for being the producer's daughter, trying to keep her down and exclude her. There was some of that, but the mother never really did anything specifically cruel toward her before that, other than the usual star and fame-obsessed stage mom stuff of having to control her name, appearance, etc. But I mean she was being treated well by the mom as long as she went along with that.

And the other idol girls made some snippy/dismissive comments toward her when they first found out that she was the producer's daughter, but after that, nothing - or at least it wasn't shown to us onscreen, so it seemed to be a pretty mild background issue, at least from what was shown. Rather, she punched her over a completely unrelated incident which had nothing to do with her or her mom's and the other girls' treatment toward her, but about some social media gossip account BS targeting other idol groups. And the mom only treated her coldly after that as a punishment and way to preserve her business and dream of reaching the top, by, I guess, throwing her under the bus (we still don't really know if she was outright fired from the group by the mother and given no choice, pressured into resigning, or willingly and enthusiastically voluntarily quit completely by her own volition).

So yeah, I had assumed all this time that it would be the other way around and the punch came just as like her pushback and rebellion to the mom and the other girls but none of them really ever did anything specific to her leading up to it to warrant something like violence in that moment. She was put under the usual pressure of high standards to perform, conformity with the group image, etc. that all idols and celebrities in general are, which understandably sucks and I wouldn't want as a life for a second either, but that applies to all of the girls really so again not really a reason for her to attack a specific girl.

dxtremecaliber said:

The wrong here is Mahiru did the KD move.

WatchTillTandava said:
I just watched the episode a few minutes ago so it's ultra-fresh in my mind.

I don't think that either of them are in the wrong. Their perspectives, motivations, and their differing life circumstances up to that point which led to those different, clashing perspectives on this issue which happen to be in opposition to each other are honestly quite easily understandable. I feel like I can always understand the other perspective even if I don't necessarily personally agree with it, but sometimes it's definitely a lot more unreasonable and skewed in one direction (like maybe I'm 90% sympathetic to one side and only 10% toward the other), but not in this case. Both are perfectly understandable and it's pretty balanced.

In support of Kano, I really value and prize loyalty above virtually all other things and I have no doubt that if I were in her shoes, I also would take what I viewed as a betrayal extremely poorly and bitterly, and also have a meltdown. And it is something of a betrayal as it's not only about the importance of the relationships (that her relationship with Yoru/Mahiru is supposed to be more important than Yoru's relationship with Kano's mother, some random company, or any other random strangers she doesn't really know), but even if the relationships were all equal, she made a promise to Kano and the group, JELEE, first, and then is undermining and reneging on it for selfish personal gain. If you promise someone something and then go back on it because you later get asked to do something or receive a better offer from someone else, that can be very logically and understandably be interpreted as like a spit or slap in the face toward the first party and total disrespect, like they're being relegated to being treated as just something to amuse you and pass your time until a better offer comes along. It's expected if it's all just competing university invitations or job offers or something like that as those are institutions/businesses and not individual people you have a personal relationship with, and it's just transactional opportunism on both ends, but when you do it to an individual, you'd be braindead to expect it not to go over like a lead balloon.

In support of Yoru/Mahiru, Kano's mom's words to her were very inspirational and encouraging for an aspiring artist, and most of all for someone who has always questioned the value of their interests, passion, and what they do. She always had self-loathing tendencies and actually buried and suppressed the most beautiful inner part of herself, her inner light of her imagination and the ability to skillfully translate it to art out in the world, out of concern for social validation and fear of being ostracized and left behind for being weird or an outcast (kind of like Kiui ended up becoming) if she didn't keep her head down and conform. Now she has an opportunity to let that part of herself free and loose and actually be rewarded for it and even aided to better it and help it reach new heights (in terms of her personal ability if she receives more assistance for schooling and training, access to the best teachers, materials, computer graphics and video technology, etc.) as well as access to reach a greater audience - a national or maybe even global one, of which she never before dared even dreamed. Who could help wanting to give into "greed" of personal want and ambition in that scenario, or even doing so in the end? It's a part of her identity - something subconsciously viewed as even existential perhaps, and a large part of her whole motivation for living and joy derived from life. And at the end of the day, neither Kano nor anyone else that we know of has ever given up their lives - what they wanted to do with their lives - for Yoru, so why should Yoru do it or be expected to do it for anyone else, even including Kano?

One thing I was somewhat shocked by with this past episode in general though, and it ties into the conflict, is that we finally get Kano's backstory over why she punched that other idol girl and it wasn't what I would have expected. I didn't have an ultra-detailed specific theory in my mind as to why she did, but I thought in a general sense that it would have something to do with her mother being cruel to her and her lashing out and taking it out on one of the other idol girls, or that the idol girl who got punched would be super mean to her and bullying her for being the producer's daughter, trying to keep her down and exclude her. There was some of that, but the mother never really did anything specifically cruel toward her before that, other than the usual star and fame-obsessed stage mom stuff of having to control her name, appearance, etc. But I mean she was being treated well by the mom as long as she went along with that.

And the other idol girls made some snippy/dismissive comments toward her when they first found out that she was the producer's daughter, but after that, nothing - or at least it wasn't shown to us onscreen, so it seemed to be a pretty mild background issue, at least from what was shown. Rather, she punched her over a completely unrelated incident which had nothing to do with her or her mom's and the other girls' treatment toward her, but about some social media gossip account BS targeting other idol groups. And the mom only treated her coldly after that as a punishment and way to preserve her business and dream of reaching the top, by, I guess, throwing her under the bus (we still don't really know if she was outright fired from the group by the mother and given no choice, pressured into resigning, or willingly and enthusiastically voluntarily quit completely by her own volition).

So yeah, I had assumed all this time that it would be the other way around and the punch came just as like her pushback and rebellion to the mom and the other girls but none of them really ever did anything specific to her leading up to it to warrant something like violence in that moment. She was put under the usual pressure of high standards to perform, conformity with the group image, etc. that all idols and celebrities in general are, which understandably sucks and I wouldn't want as a life for a second either, but that applies to all of the girls really so again not really a reason for her to attack a specific girl.

dxtremecaliber said:

but man all ive saying Mahiru did the Kevin Durant move he teamed up with the ops which is disloyality or betrayal even tho it was the right move career wise but again it shows how indecisive which made her looked like she just used JELEE for own character development tho again Kano had her own goals too but all of them wants to that also if Kano is in Mahiru shoes and shes know the beef between them she will not do it because thats disloyality thats may 2 cents about it.

dxtremecaliber said:

The wrong here is Mahiru did the KD move.

nickthegreek7 said:
why does it have to be a choice? Both are right, since their line of thought makes sense. Mahiru wants to take the chance, while Kano is hurt that her mother is about to steal her life again. Both are wrong, at the same time. Mahiru does not know the whole story, and she is basically leaving her group up in the air. Kano does not know how to control herself, hence why she always exaggerates.

MarlsMarsBars said:

Finally the only person who really understands what's going on in this episode.

i salute you

nickthegreek7 said:

Appreciate it. A lot of things happened in order to reach this point in the story. Now, whether there will be redemption, or depression, we will have to wait and see

Sogeking2_2 said:
we all realize that her mother is only doing this to breakup JELEE right? i'm with kano on this