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| Despite some shortcomings this series had, mainly with the animation and pacing, I enjoyed watching this every Saturday evening. I liked the action/fighting scenes and the build up to the big fight that broke out towards the end with Ragna vs. Kamui, Ultimatia vs. Crimson, etc. The outcome of this arc was bittersweet with Ragna's team winning but at a big cost. Hopefully Starlia wakes up one day and we get to revisit Leo again (assuming she's alive somewhere) if/when a season 2 is announced. 8/10 |
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xZabuzax said:
Some people might be confused about this because they will see Kamui transformed into a dragon and getting captured by the Solarians but Ultimatia wasn't even a Dragon Monarch at that moment which means there's no way for Kamui to be a dragon at this point, however, I must remind you that Kamui was not a dragon there, that's simply his normal transformation, he transforms like that as a human, and even as a human, he had insane regeneration abilities, and even survived a decapitation by Gilzea, you heard that right, when Kamui attacked Gilzea he was still a human and survived that encounter without a head, Kamui was that special.
Some people might be confused about this because they will see Kamui transformed into a dragon and getting captured by the Solarians but Ultimatia wasn't even a Dragon Monarch at that moment which means there's no way for Kamui to be a dragon at this point, however, I must remind you that Kamui was not a dragon there, that's simply his normal transformation, he transforms like that as a human, and even as a human, he had insane regeneration abilities, and even survived a decapitation by Gilzea, you heard that right, when Kamui attacked Gilzea he was still a human and survived that encounter without a head, Kamui was that special.
Wait what 💀. Dam, Thanks for the explanation as I was also confused lol
| @Apratim Yep but let me make this clear, characters like Kamui, Fu and his sister Majorca, the twins Glea and Hazella, etc... are not entirely humans, they are a species between humans and dragons and some people of those species have transformations too, you saw Fu and Majorca transforming into something else in the previous episodes. More of this subplot will be revealed in season 2 if we ever get another season, I do advise reading the manga from the beginning, the anime removed stuff and also removed the Leo chapters, plus the manga has awesome art and paneling, it's good stuff. |
| Fucking masterpiece.Glad to see that bitch Ultimatia suffering.Man I enjoy every episodes and finally a good way to end S1. Hyping for S2 |
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| Starlia's plot armour is impenetrable. She survived being straight up killed twice. |
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| thank god this is over. out of all the battle shounen I've watched, this is the absolute worst. creating such unlikeable, repulsive MCs (and most of the rest of the cast tbh) must have taken incredible dedication and skill although the reasons for doing so are unknown. to think I'd been lured in by dragons which I usually love to watch about, and this is what I got instead. I don't really know why I completed this, I guess I thought I was already in too deep and just had to watch how much worse it would become. |
| a decent finale but man that was a tough watch overall, first part of this anime really had a vibe, it was pretty entertaining and refreshing but the moment the princess was introduced this turned into a very generic nekketsu, It lost all its edgy charm and storywise it made less and less sense, i also stopped caring about the lore and didn't care at all about the new characters introduced, really ruined it for me, It felt like watching Nanatsu no Taizai season 2 and 3 all over again, with ridiculous power scaling, half the characters being fucking useless, not good So yeah solid 4.5/10 won't bother watching a possible sequel, i'm done. |
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| Wow, in the end, they defeated the Time and Lighting Speed Dragon. The backstory is told very well too. |
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| I dont know. The anime is pretty mediocre but there is something about it I just love. I don't know what it is but it feels like the creators of this show put so much effort and love into it. I can see and feel that. Had a great time and was entertained. Nice finale. |
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can someone explain to me why glea can move on the ulti's time stop ?
did i miss smething lel?
did i miss smething lel?
| @liong_son mbe bcs she is from her bloodline. Remember that only her bloodline can move during the time stop. |
| You know I wasn't sure how I felt about the princess being alive again, but the implication that Olta Zora was the one to undo his poison is actually really nice. The damn dragons in this series are the best written characters I s2g. A significant portion of the princess squad died nevertheless. Even if we never see any of em again I'm glad they gave that twin girl one big moment to shine showing her struggle over her sisters death but still making a huge and actually relevant to the story decision. This wasn't too bad of a show tbh. I'd watch a season 2 for sure. |
| They are wasting time on that sad little scene, i usually would feel a lil bit bad for the villain on their final moment, but in this case, i dont feel bad at all, i dont even care about them, its boring. I wish it coulda been for something better than that like leo for example. She was the one that motivated ragna to keep on going, and they never even mention her ever since they split up, this is so stupid. |
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Arkx919 said: Marinate1016 said: Almost felt a little bad for Kamui and Ultimatia there at the end. When Kamui launched his sword there at the end, I thought he meant killing Ragna would be how he protected Ultimatia from death, but making a literal shade for her to be protected from the sun in was actually powerful. In the end, he did fulfil his promise and paid her back for saving him. Such an interesting romantic dynamic with the two of them. With her bloodline gone, I wonder what the future will hold for Ultimatia. What are you on about? Ultimatia did not survive. She got punctured and smoked, like the bitch deserved. Neither her nor any of those filthy "dragons" deserve any remorse, consideration, sympathy, mercy, or understanding. They need to be put down without a second though, and as brutally as possible, after all the lives these monsters have taken. Glad the author of this series agrees. You clearly didn’t watch the ending then lil bro. Before you get disrespectful make sure you finish an episode. |
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| Great show, I love the characters, especially Lia... Crimson can be annoying and drag things down at times, but meh, everyone else makes up for it. I'm sad we never got to see Leo again after the first few episodes, but I imagine she'll be back eventually. I'm about to start the manga, so hopefully the story has progressed a decent amount after this point in the anime. |
xZabuzax said: @Marinate1016 He's not wrong though, Ultimatia died and the Bloodline of Wings perished in this episode, that shade wasn't enough to save her, you could literally see her body burning after the sad little scene when she said that she would "wait again". There are 6 bloodlines, the Bloodline of Wings is gone but we have 5 more bloodlines to kill. Also blocked. No idea why people wait 40 hours to reply to me with nonsense. |
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Resus-2 said: @Marinate1016 Are you even watching this anime? they aren't wrong, you are simply blocking people due to your own ignorance. Ultimatia died in this episode, you better start coping with it and blocking me only proves my point, apparently you can't handle a conversation without blocking people around here. Grow a pair bruh. wtf is up with these alt accounts spamming this over a day after the finale. Blocked and reported |
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| Intense and cool last season episode!!! Well, she is alive, the princess and it was a great point!! The battle ended, bloody battle full of deaths, and with victory!!! Ragna continues his travel to kill all the monachrs dragons!!! kekeke |
| Eeeh, I don't know what to feel about this. The last 10 episodes were very messy. Some hype moments, some interesting ideas, some neat characters, but also lots of stupid plot points and characters paired with some mediocre animation. |
It's only a passing thing, this shadow. Even darkness must pass. A new day will come. And when the sun shines it will shine out the clearer. |
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Resus-2 said:
@Marinate1016 Are you even watching this anime? they aren't wrong, you are simply blocking people due to your own ignorance.
Ultimatia died in this episode, you better start coping with it and blocking me only proves my point, apparently you can't handle a conversation without blocking people around here. Grow a pair bruh.
@Marinate1016 Are you even watching this anime? they aren't wrong, you are simply blocking people due to your own ignorance.
Ultimatia died in this episode, you better start coping with it and blocking me only proves my point, apparently you can't handle a conversation without blocking people around here. Grow a pair bruh.
wtf is up with these alt accounts spamming this over a day after the finale. Blocked and reported
| @Marinate1016 as I understood it you are correct that she survived but the fact that you get so tilted over these comments is a nice meme |
It's only a passing thing, this shadow. Even darkness must pass. A new day will come. And when the sun shines it will shine out the clearer. |
Jokuc said: @Marinate1016 as I understood it you are correct that she survived but the fact that you get so tilted over these comments is a nice meme Thank God someone else watched the episode! And yea I was just annoyed cause I was travelling for a funeral already and instead of commenting on any other aspect of my long write up 4 dudes fixated on one line. |
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| Wow the final fight was so intense that I forgot this is just one of 6 bloodlines lol. Very predictable that the author will keep the princess alive, and I guess the next thing is she will make strong sword to help Ragna later. Overall good anime with decent storytelling. Some things are unexplained like how Ragna can reattach his head, his head is sword hilt so I guess it makes sense lol. Who's mr Tail? He seems more powerful than Crimson. I hope they make 2nd season. |
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LeonLanford said:
Overall good anime with decent storytelling. Some things are unexplained like how Ragna can reattach his head, his head is sword hilt so I guess it makes sense lol.
Overall good anime with decent storytelling. Some things are unexplained like how Ragna can reattach his head, his head is sword hilt so I guess it makes sense lol.
Ragna is not entirely a human anymore, he's a hybrid between a human and a sword, the moment he fused with his future self in the 1st episode he stopped being a human, the anime removed things but in the manga, Ragna said that since he's basically a sword, he doesn't get that hungry anymore, which means he can live longer than a human without food.
With that out of the way, Ragna was able to reattach his head thanks to the sword that Starlia made for him, he was connected with that sword and part of him was in it and that's why he survived, the moment he started to reattach his head the sword started to crack. Without that sword, Ragna wouldn't stand a chance against Kamui.
| @xZabuzax Another unexplained thing in the anime, maybe I missed it but I don't remember he's basically a sword now other than the silly depiction from the princess lol. Is the reason why the princess survived also explained in the original source? And Why other bloodlines dragons don't help Ultimatia? Are they just waiting for Ragna to kill them one by one lol. |
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@xZabuzax Another unexplained thing in the anime, maybe I missed it but I don't remember he's basically a sword now other than the silly depiction from the princess lol.
Is the reason why the princess survived also explained in the original source? And Why other bloodlines dragons don't help Ultimatia? Are they just waiting for Ragna to kill them one by one lol.
Is the reason why the princess survived also explained in the original source? And Why other bloodlines dragons don't help Ultimatia? Are they just waiting for Ragna to kill them one by one lol.
@LeonLanford Those are unexplained things in the anime but the anime gave us another hint that he's not entirely a human, this happened in episode 13 when he was fighting Taratectora:  For your 2nd question, do you mean Starlia surviving the decapitation or the poison? both of those reasons were already explained in the anime: 1: Starlia survived the decapitation because Kamui didn't really want to kill Starlia at that moment so he reattached her head quickly and thus, she didn't die, he just wanted to make Ragna mad so he could fight with him at full power but Kamui realized that this didn't work so Kamui let both of them live because he realized that Ragna is actually stronger when he fights trying to protect someone. You heard that right, Kamui could have easily killed both Ragna and Starlia there but he didn't, he let both of them live because he wanted to fight strong opponents so he could get stronger himself because he had his own agenda, he wanted to get strong enough to kill Gilzea and eventually, challenge the Dragon God himself. 2: Starlia survived the poison because Olto Zora saved her, before he died he recovered a bit of his sanity as a human and he told Issac (the guy with the glasses) that the Argentum Corps did a good job in defeating him and that he wishes to give them more of a prize than just his life for their efforts and their prize was saving Starlia, the finale made this part clear when Ragna visited the hospital, Olto Zora removed her poison and even used that poison to heal her, well technically, it wasn't poison, it was chemicals but you get the drift, she's alive thanks to Olto Zora. And don't worry, in the next arc some of the other Dragon Monarchs figured out that the Bloodline of Wings died so they start working together. The next arc is pretty damn good. |
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@LeonLanford Those are unexplained things in the anime but the anime gave us another hint that he's not entirely a human, this happened in episode 13 when he was fighting Taratectora:
For your 2nd question, do you mean Starlia surviving the decapitation or the poison? both of those reasons were already explained in the anime:
1: Starlia survived the decapitation because Kamui didn't really want to kill Starlia at that moment so he reattached her head quickly and thus, she didn't die, he just wanted to make Ragna mad so he could fight with him at full power but Kamui realized that this didn't work so Kamui let both of them live because he realized that Ragna is actually stronger when he fights trying to protect someone. You heard that right, Kamui could have easily killed both Ragna and Starlia there but he didn't, he let both of them live because he wanted to fight strong opponents so he could get stronger himself because he had his own agenda, he wanted to get strong enough to kill Gilzea and eventually, challenge the Dragon God himself.
2: Starlia survived the poison because Olto Zora saved her, before he died he recovered a bit of his sanity as a human and he told Issac (the guy with the glasses) that the Argentum Corps did a good job in defeating him and that he wishes to give them more of a prize than just his life for their efforts and their prize was saving Starlia, the finale made this part clear when Ragna visited the hospital, Olto Zora removed her poison and even used that poison to heal her, well technically, it wasn't poison, it was chemicals but you get the drift, she's alive thanks to Olto Zora.
And don't worry, in the next arc some of the other Dragon Monarchs figured out that the Bloodline of Wings died so they start working together. The next arc is pretty damn good.
For your 2nd question, do you mean Starlia surviving the decapitation or the poison? both of those reasons were already explained in the anime:
1: Starlia survived the decapitation because Kamui didn't really want to kill Starlia at that moment so he reattached her head quickly and thus, she didn't die, he just wanted to make Ragna mad so he could fight with him at full power but Kamui realized that this didn't work so Kamui let both of them live because he realized that Ragna is actually stronger when he fights trying to protect someone. You heard that right, Kamui could have easily killed both Ragna and Starlia there but he didn't, he let both of them live because he wanted to fight strong opponents so he could get stronger himself because he had his own agenda, he wanted to get strong enough to kill Gilzea and eventually, challenge the Dragon God himself.
2: Starlia survived the poison because Olto Zora saved her, before he died he recovered a bit of his sanity as a human and he told Issac (the guy with the glasses) that the Argentum Corps did a good job in defeating him and that he wishes to give them more of a prize than just his life for their efforts and their prize was saving Starlia, the finale made this part clear when Ragna visited the hospital, Olto Zora removed her poison and even used that poison to heal her, well technically, it wasn't poison, it was chemicals but you get the drift, she's alive thanks to Olto Zora.
And don't worry, in the next arc some of the other Dragon Monarchs figured out that the Bloodline of Wings died so they start working together. The next arc is pretty damn good.
| @xZabuzax Now I remembered that sword scene, I was confused at that time but forgot about it after lol. I understand about the decapitation but not the poison. Olto only said he wished to give more prize, meant he was unable to gave more. It's also physical substance not magic, if it's possible to remove the effect, the drugged people can also be cured by another way. My point is it's really convenient for the princess to survive, all the death flags were meaningless. When the enhanced equipments turned off, everyone seemed to understand the princess was already deceased but turned out she's alive and now recovered fully with only in coma state. Poison is chemical substance, Crimson said it poison herself, and no mention about poison healing her instead lol. Seems like missing another original source explanation again?  EDIT I just read the wiki about his skill. Apparently the chemical substances are his magic and can be neutralized by Silver or Sunlight. I vaguely remember this in the anime when he was introduced first time. |
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@xZabuzax Now I remembered that sword scene, I was confused at that time but forgot about it after lol.
I understand about the decapitation but not the poison. Olto only said he wished to give more prize, meant he was unable to gave more. It's also physical substance not magic, if it's possible to remove the effect, the drugged people can also be cured by another way.
My point is it's really convenient for the princess to survive, all the death flags were meaningless. When the enhanced equipments turned off, everyone seemed to understand the princess was already deceased but turned out she's alive and now recovered fully with only in coma state.
Poison is chemical substance, Crimson said it poison herself, and no mention about poison healing her instead lol. Seems like missing another original source explanation again?
EDIT
I just read the wiki about his skill. Apparently the chemical substances are his magic and can be neutralized by Silver or Sunlight. I vaguely remember this in the anime when he was introduced first time.
I understand about the decapitation but not the poison. Olto only said he wished to give more prize, meant he was unable to gave more. It's also physical substance not magic, if it's possible to remove the effect, the drugged people can also be cured by another way.
My point is it's really convenient for the princess to survive, all the death flags were meaningless. When the enhanced equipments turned off, everyone seemed to understand the princess was already deceased but turned out she's alive and now recovered fully with only in coma state.
Poison is chemical substance, Crimson said it poison herself, and no mention about poison healing her instead lol. Seems like missing another original source explanation again?
EDIT
I just read the wiki about his skill. Apparently the chemical substances are his magic and can be neutralized by Silver or Sunlight. I vaguely remember this in the anime when he was introduced first time.
| @LeonLanford It was like this in the manga too, it didn't specifically say that Olto Zora healed her but both of them made it clear that Olto Zora was actually the one who saved Starlia, it was done in a subtle way without telling us but he did save her, we are the ones who needs to connect the pieces in this part. Issac (the guy with the glasses) is the one who realized it first, this is what he's saying in this part: As you can see, this part is not necessarily saying that Olto Zora saved her but it's telling us that he did save her in a subtle way. |
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@LeonLanford It was like this in the manga too, it didn't specifically say that Olto Zora healed her but both of them made it clear that Olto Zora was actually the one who saved Starlia, it was done in a subtle way without telling us but he did save her, we are the ones who needs to connect the pieces in this part.
Issac (the guy with the glasses) is the one who realized it first, this is what he's saying in this part:
As you can see, this part is not necessarily saying that Olto Zora saved her but it's telling us that he did save her in a subtle way.
Issac (the guy with the glasses) is the one who realized it first, this is what he's saying in this part:
As you can see, this part is not necessarily saying that Olto Zora saved her but it's telling us that he did save her in a subtle way.
| @xZabuzax Beautiful, I missed that. Thank you. It's been a while since someone engaged discussion with me in MAL. |
| Well at least it seems like Starlia is alive, that's a good way to end it I guess... not my cup of tea at all overall to be honest. |
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