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Jul 6, 2023 12:36 PM
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For those who are unaware, this Anime is a "Remake" of the 1996's one (Episodes 01-31). The latter didn't cover the entirety of the Manga, so we hope to get multiple seasons of this one to do so. This season adapted Chapters 01 to 57 (Volumes 01 to 07), while skipping only Chapter 39 (which contained a side battle, unnecessary to the story). The Author actively took part in the production of this adaptation, and made some minor alterations and add-ons, without changing much of the story already known to the fans. ________________________________________________________________ In this thread, I'll list which chapters are adapted by each episode, on top of pointing out all altered, skipped, or original content. But before that, I vividly recommend you to read these few paragraphs : (If you want a quick summarization, you can follow the bold words.) To begin, there is the Main Manga. (Officially licensed in English by Viz and Manga Plus.) He's composed of 3 Story Arcs : Tokyo (Volumes 1-6/Chapters 01-47), Kyoto (Volumes 7-18/Chapters 48-151), and Jinchuu (Volumes 18-28/Chapters 152-255).
The Volumes release also includes the 3 prototypes of the story :
Tokuhitsuban is a re-telling of the Tokyo Arc, made to celebrate the announcement of the first Live-Action Movie in 2012. Its 1st Volume also includes "Act Zero", another Prologue to the original Manga. (It's licensed in English by Viz under the "Restoration" name.) To celebrate the release of the second Live-Action Movie in 2014, Uramaku : Honoo wo Suberu, a one-shot telling us more about the antagonist of the Kyoto Arc and his allies, was released. The Volume also includes a short Novel written by the wife of the Author, which is the same story, but told from the point of view of a subordinate. (The one-shot was licensed in English by Viz as "Master of Flame", but it doesn't seem to be available anymore. You can find a fan-translation on MangaDex.) In 2016, Hokkaido-hen, a Sequel story taking place a few months after the Epilogues of the original Manga, started. (It was licensed in English by Viz, but they dropped it because of the Author's crime. You can find the fan-translations on the site of the translator.) There are also 4 Light Novels in the franchise :
Kamiya Dojo Monogatari is fan-translated on this Tumblr. Unfortunately, Yahiko's Battle and Ginmaku Soshi-hen never got translated. Unlike Mangas, Animes entries on MAL have an "Available at" section in the information, so I won't post the links for it. If there is no link, or if there is, but they are not available in your region, then it may be time to sail the seas... but I won't help you to. The original Anime adapted the Tokyo and Kyoto Arcs. (Respectively episodes 01-27, aka. "Season 1", and episodes 28-62, aka. "Season 2".) The Tokyo Arc got many mild alterations and a few fillers here and there, while the Kyoto one was done very faithfully, with only very few minor (but wonderful) alterations and original content. Unfortunately, the Jinchuu Arc was not adapted. Being still ongoing at the time of the release of episode 62, the producer committee did a series of fillers instead (episodes 63-94, aka. "Season 3"), to wait for it to finish. However, the fillers were so badly received that the Anime was cancelled, before it could even touch this Final Arc. To give a sense of closure to the series, a Special (aka. episode 95) was released a few months after the cancellation. During the run of the series of fillers, Ishinshishi e no Chinkoka, a filler Movie, was released. We also got 3 Specials :
Even with the cancellation of the original series, the staff got the rights to bring back the franchise a few years later, and made a few OVAs episodes.
Finally, here we are, with the 2023's Remake of the Tokyo Arc, which is not really a Remake, but more a re-telling. This adaptation followed the Manga more closely, but also greatly reduced the comedy, offering us a more serious and dramatic version of the start of the story. It also includes many short additional scenes, supervised by the Author himself. A 2nd Season, titled Kyoto Douran, adapting the Kyoto Arc, has also been announced. As for the 5 (good!) Live-Action Movies :
Overall, this adaptation is very faithful to the events of the Manga, and even took the time to adapt one of the Extra Prologue (present in the Tokuhitsuban Manga) and extend the fight scenes, which got an extra level of care put into their choreography and sound designing (they clearly are the good point of this version!). It also uses character designs close to the ones of Hokkaido-hen (the currently ongoing Sequel Manga), and changed how one of the villains acts, to be more coherent with it (probably in the highly possible scenario where it gets an adaptation too). However, a few scenes were mirrored, and some violent and/or shocking ones have been very slightly censored. The production quality is also just a little bit above average, and the storyboarding and directing are awfully plain throughout the entirety of the series. Unfortunately, that is how most Animes are nowadays, but looking at how extremely popular it was back then (and still is in Japan), we could have hoped better for Rurouni Kenshin. The only major change made for this adaptation is the drastic reduction of the comedy. As we go further into the story of the Manga, the Author, consciously or not, used less comedy reliefs, to not discredit the seriousness of the events happening. To make the overall tone more consistent, and attract new fans in search of more mature stories, the numerous typical (often slapstick) 90's gags have been nearly entirely removed. The characters and their interactions are therefore perceived differently, especially Kenshin, who's almost always shown as a goofy and indifferent idiot in the Manga (think Sakata Gintoki or Vash the Stampede), whereas he's more of a cool and silent superhero here. This will please the ones turned off by this style of comedy, preferring something like the extremely serious depiction of the Tsuioku-hen OVAs (despite the OVAs not supposed to be experienced beforehand), but may disarray old fans, feeling that something is missing. I believe it also made the Tokyo Arc weaker, as it's composed of short and simple semi-episodic stories, which benefit from the very quick and light-hearted breaks caused by the humor. However, some of the add-ons push the characterization of a few characters further, which may counterbalance this problem on certain occasions. Officially, this adaptation is not a Remake made to replace the adaptation from 1996, but a new re-interpretation of the Manga, with the same story, but depicted differently (which is something very common in the Rurouni Kenshin franchise, as we got it with the Anime from 1996, the OVAs, the Tokuhitsuban Manga, the Live-Action Movies, ...), therefore, if you have the time, I recommend to watch/read all of these versions. As for my personal opinion, even if I enjoyed a lot each and every episode, I must admit that I was expecting much more from this take on the beginning of Rurouni Kenshin, especially for the last few episodes... I hope the directing will be better for the rest of the project, as we have barely seen what made this work so popular to begin with! So, would I recommend the previous adaptation from 1996 or this one as an introduction to the franchise... ? Well, that's actually a very hard question... Concerning only the Tokyo Arc (Episodes 01-27 for the series of 1996, and Episodes 01-21 for the one of 2023) alone : While the 1996's Anime is very far from perfect (contrary to what some people try to imply on certain threads/sites), and took a good amount of liberty with the story and characters, the staff that worked on it were truly passionate about the Manga, and did their best to enhance and bring it to life. Almost all episodes have masterful storyboarding and directing, making many scenes dynamic and impactful, even with the obvious low budget. The 2023's re-interpretation fixed all the issues the previous adaptation had (mostly its animation and voice acting), but ended up creating other ones (mostly its storyboarding and directing), with its severe lack of dynamism, outside of the fight scenes. (This YouTube video of ForgottenRelics perfectly shows it. (/!\ Spoilers for both episodes 01 /!\)) Honestly, I really don't know which one to generally recommend... I guess it'll all come down to the preferences of the person, who will need to make his own choice. If not for its lack of comedy and boring directing, the 2023's more fleshed-out and more logical takes on the stories would have been perfect. Aside from the introduction with episode 01 and the end of the Oniwaban-shu sub-Arc, they are all better than their old counterpart, narratively speaking. (Jin-e's sub-Arc with episodes 06 & 07 (!), Raijuta's with episodes 15-17, and Katsu's with episodes 18 & 19, were particularly impressive!) However, the 1996's series is more engaging, thanks to its very memorable atmosphere. The perfect Rurouni Kenshin series would have been the takes of the 2023's series, but with the directing of the 1996's one! TLDR : No matter which one you choose to watch first... watch both! If I had to do a Pros vs Cons for both versions :
However, where the 1996's one really shined was during the Kyoto Arc (episodes 28-62)! All the cons the adaptation had previously suddenly vanished, and that, right from the start of the Prologue (episodes 28-31). It still kept a very strong artistical vision, that completely sublimated and iconized many scenes of the Manga. It will be a real challenge for the new adaptation to equal what was done prior, and looking at the result of episodes 22-24 (lack of iconization, rush of scenes, censorship, ...), it's very hard to be optimistic for the continuation... For those who want, here is a Google Sheets. (Attention, notes are only vaguely summarized!) In the notes below, I've put in bold what I think are the most important changes and additions of this adaptation. Be aware that I haven't listed all of the alterations or original content that are due to the differences in medias (like how Kenshin moves his scabbard in the Manga, or the pictures used to illustrate what the characters are talking about in the animation). Episode 01 : Chapter 01.
Episode 02 : Chapter 02, half of 03.
Episode 03 : Chapters 03 (second half), 04, two pages of 05.
Episode 04 : Chapters 05, 06.
Episode 05 : Chapters 07, 08, two pages of 09.
Episode 06 : Chapters 09, 10, 11.
Episode 07 : Chapters 12, 13, 14.
Episode 08 : Chapters 15, 16, half of 17.
Episode 09 : Chapters 17 (second half), 18, 19.
Episode 10 : Chapters 20, 21, 22.
Episode 11 : Chapters 23, 24, 25, two pages of 26.
Episode 12 : Chapters 26, 27, half of 28.
Episode 13 : Chapters 28 (second half), 29, 30.
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Alexioos95Dec 23, 2024 2:25 AM
"Genius lives only one storey above madness." – Arthur Schopenhauer. "Stupidity is a talent for misconception." – Edgar Allan Poe. "I'm tired... and hungry." – Alexioos95. |
Jul 6, 2023 12:45 PM
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Thanks man this is really nice, good job. |
Jul 6, 2023 12:46 PM
#3
Thanks for making this thread, very interesting ! |
Deep dark fantasies |
Jul 6, 2023 12:46 PM
#4
This is beautifully done I’ll for sure try to keep coming back after every episode!! |
Jul 6, 2023 12:55 PM
#6
@Alexioos95 so in the 1997 anime the characters like that old doctor and then his two granddaughters were fillers? also in the 1997 there was no conspiracy to take away Kaoru's dojo but it's there in the 2023 one. so which of one's correct 1997 or 2023? |
Jul 6, 2023 12:59 PM
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Previous post (Episodes 01-13) ________________________________________________________________ Episode 14 : Chapters 31, 32, 33.
Episode 15 : Chapters 34, 35, 36, 37.
Episode 16 : Chapters 38, 39 (only two pages), 40, 41.
Episode 17 : Chapters 42, 43, 44.
Episode 18 : Chapters 45, 46.
Episode 19 : Chapter 47.
Episode 20 : Half of Tokuhitsuban's Extra Chapter.
Episode 21 : Second half of Tokuhitsuban's Extra Chapter.
Episode 22 : Chapters 48, 49, 50, half of 51.
Episode 23 : Chapters 50 (three pages), 51 (second half), 52, 53, 54.
Episode 24 : Chapters 55, 56, 57.
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Alexioos95Nov 19, 2024 7:11 AM
"Genius lives only one storey above madness." – Arthur Schopenhauer. "Stupidity is a talent for misconception." – Edgar Allan Poe. "I'm tired... and hungry." – Alexioos95. |
Jul 6, 2023 1:06 PM
#8
Got it, thanks for the info. I am really gonna miss the doctor and his granddaughters. |
Jul 6, 2023 3:52 PM
#9
much appreciation for this thread its informative and easy to read! i was a huge fan of Kenshin and i watched every entry but i forgot everything because i watched it almost 20 years ago, i'm excited for the new remake so thank you for refreshen my memory :D i'll definitely come after every episode |
Jul 6, 2023 4:43 PM
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I'm curious of how many episodes of the first adaptation, the first episode of the 2023's version adapted... and how many manga chapters. that would be nice to see in this topic, too. Just bookmarked this topic as a huge Rurouni Kenshin fan. |
Jul 6, 2023 11:52 PM
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Sarah-Sama said: much appreciation for this thread its informative and easy to read! Happy to hear that , i had some trouble making it easy to read. I tried tables thinking it would be nicely arranged , but it was extremely weird with some notes added , and it's completely bugged on smaller devices. (And the code was awful to maintain...) I ended up going for plain text with spoilers tags , but i fear it'll be a little bit too long and/or not ergonomic when i'll hit the 20th episode. AxShinigami said: I'm curious of how many episodes of the first adaptation, the first episode of the 2023's version adapted... and how many manga chapters. that would be nice to see in this topic, too. Just bookmarked this topic as a huge Rurouni Kenshin fan. The equivalent of episode of the Original is a good idea. Do you think it fits in the extra notes , or should i do a separated section ? As for how many chapters it adapted , if you talks about this Remake , i already do so. (It's next to the episode number , not in the spoiler tag.) Or you meant that for the Original Anime ? I could try , but i need to find a good way of putting it without taking too much characters... Edit : Or should i do a complete breakdown of it in a different thread ? |
Alexioos95Jul 7, 2023 2:57 AM
"Genius lives only one storey above madness." – Arthur Schopenhauer. "Stupidity is a talent for misconception." – Edgar Allan Poe. "I'm tired... and hungry." – Alexioos95. |
Jul 7, 2023 12:13 AM
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Alexioos95 said: For those who are unaware, this Anime is a Remake of the 1996 one. The latter didn't completely adapted the Manga, so we hope to get multiples seasons of this Remake to do so. This season will run for 24 Episodes, but we don't know how many content they plan to adapt. The Author actively took part in the production of this adaptation, and did a few alterations on top of adding some elements to the story, that he wished to do but couldn't during the publication of the Manga. ________________________________________________________________ In this thread, i'll list which chapters are adapted by each episode, on top of pointing out all altered or skipped content. But before that, here is a tour of the Rurouni Kenshin franchise, explaining every entries : To begin, there is the Main Manga. (Officially licensed in English by Viz and Manga Plus.) He's composed of 3 Arcs : Tokyo (Volumes 1-6/Chapters 01-47), Kyoto (Volumes 7-18/Chapters 48-151), and Jinchuu/Revenge (Volumes 18-28/Chapters 152-255). The Volumes release also include the 3 prototypes of the story :
Unfortunately, they are not available legally in English anymore, but you can read the fan-translations on MangaDex. (1, 2) Tokuhitsuban is a re-telling of the Tokyo Arc, made to celebrate the announcement of the first Live-Action Movie, in 2012. Volume 1 also include "Act Zero", another Prologue to the Main Manga. (It's licensed in English by Viz under the "Restoration" name.) To celebrate the release of the second Live-Action Movie in 2014, Uramaku : Honoo wo Suberu, a one-shot telling us more about the antagonist of the Kyoto Arc, and his allies, was released. The Volume also include a short Novel written by the wife of the Author, which is the same story, but told from the perspective of a subordinate. (It's licensed in English by Viz under the name of "Master of Flame", but it doesn't seems to be available anymore.) In 2016, Hokkaido-hen, a Sequel story taking place a few months after the Epilogues of the original Manga, started. This time, the Author co-write the story with his wife. (It's licensed in English by Viz, but they dropped the translations after Volume 3 because of the Author's crime. You can find the fan-translations on MangaDex.) There is also 3 Light Novels in the franchise :
Unfortunately, Yahiko's Battle and Ginmaku Soshi-hen never got translated. Unlike Mangas, Animes entries on MAL have an "Available at" section in the informations, so i won't post the links for it. If there is no link, or if there is, but they are not available in your region, then it may be time to sail the seas... but i won't help you to. The original Anime adapted the Tokyo and Kyoto Arcs. (Respectively episodes 01-27, aka. "Season 1", and episodes 28-62, aka. "Season 2".) The Tokyo Arc got a few fillers here and there, while the Kyoto one was done extremely faithfully, without any filler or highly altered material. Unfortunately, the Jinchuu/Revenge Arc was not adapted. Being still ongoing at the time of the release of episode 62, the producer committee did a series of fillers instead (episodes 63-94, aka. "Season 3"), to wait for it to finish. However, the fillers were so badly received that the Anime was cancelled, before it could even touch this Final Arc. To give a sense of closure to the series, a Special (aka. episode 95) was released a few months after the cancellation. During the run of the series of fillers, Ishinshishi e no Chinkoka, a filler Movie was released. We also got 3 Specials :
As for the 5 (good !) Live-Action Movies :
________________________________________________________________ For those who want, here is a Google Sheets. (Attention, notes are summarized and not hidden !) Episode 01 : Chapter 01.
Episode 02 : ?
PS : If you have any questions, or some suggestions about this thread, don't hesitate to @ me. And don't hesitate to make a post either, like that the thread will be bumped, and more peoples will be able to read it. keep it up buddy....it's a tough work but I guess you are a fan!! so it's easy for you |
Jul 7, 2023 1:29 AM
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Jul 7, 2023 1:32 AM
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Jul 7, 2023 8:51 AM
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Kihei pees himself when he passed out in the manga, this didn't show that. |
Jul 7, 2023 8:59 AM
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antonnn said: Kihei pees himself when he passed out in the manga, this didn't show that. It did , but we don't see his pee spreading on the floor. But nice find tho , i admit that i didn't realized that , and had to quickly look back. x) I'll count it as a problem due to the difference in media , and won't add it to the list. (Just like how Kenshin moves his scabbard in the Manga.) |
"Genius lives only one storey above madness." – Arthur Schopenhauer. "Stupidity is a talent for misconception." – Edgar Allan Poe. "I'm tired... and hungry." – Alexioos95. |
Jul 7, 2023 9:34 AM
#19
Damn. You work really hard in this thread. Much appreciated ☺️ |
Jul 7, 2023 7:14 PM
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Alexioos95 said: Sarah-Sama said: much appreciation for this thread its informative and easy to read! Happy to hear that , i had some trouble making it easy to read. I tried tables thinking it would be nicely arranged , but it was extremely weird with some notes added , and it's completely bugged on smaller devices. (And the code was awful to maintain...) I ended up going for plain text with spoilers tags , but i fear it'll be a little bit too long and/or not ergonomic when i'll hit the 20th episode. AxShinigami said: I'm curious of how many episodes of the first adaptation, the first episode of the 2023's version adapted... and how many manga chapters. that would be nice to see in this topic, too. Just bookmarked this topic as a huge Rurouni Kenshin fan. The equivalent of episode of the Original is a good idea. Do you think it fits in the extra notes , or should i do a separated section ? As for how many chapters it adapted , if you talks about this Remake , i already do so. (It's next to the episode number , not in the spoiler tag.) Or you meant that for the Original Anime ? I could try , but i need to find a good way of putting it without taking too much characters... Edit : Or should i do a complete breakdown of it in a different thread ? Maybe under the remake number of the episode and manga chapters comparison, would be nice to show the equivalent of episodes from the first adaptation (1996) |
Jul 8, 2023 1:35 AM
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AxShinigami said: Maybe under the remake number of the episode and manga chapters comparison, would be nice to show the equivalent of episodes from the first adaptation (1996) I just tried to do that , but it doesn't feels right. It hinders the reading when the notes are closed , especially because it's a little bit too long compared to the Episode : Chapter above... It could be even more problematic if they keep including events from the Tsuioku-hen OVAs. And if i indicate the equivalent in the old Anime , i would very much like to make a small sentence on how faithful that was too... So i'll let it under a special section of the notes , and see how it goes. |
"Genius lives only one storey above madness." – Arthur Schopenhauer. "Stupidity is a talent for misconception." – Edgar Allan Poe. "I'm tired... and hungry." – Alexioos95. |
Jul 8, 2023 1:26 PM
#22
Thanks a lot for this very comprehensive list. So far, the episode 1 changes seem like really good improvements. |
Jul 8, 2023 1:49 PM
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Tomislavr7 said: So far, the episode 1 changes seem like really good improvements. I'm not entirely sure about that , to be honest. The few changes made here are totally not important , aside from one : the reduction of the comedy. Kenshin is supposed to be very goofy , and even a little bit idiot. It create a huge contrast with his past , and confirm him to be an hidden master. It's also what other characters think , which makes them question themselves : "Is THAT guy really THE legend ?". (Similar to Vash The Stampede , from Trigun.) That's also why the Author made him seems very young , with a petit and feminine body/face. I totally understand what they are trying to do : Making the story a tad more mature to appeal to the viewers of nowadays. However , i felt that it makes Kenshin lose a bit of his charm , and i fear it'll make the Tokyo Arc a little bit weaker. Because , to be honest , the Tokyo Arc consist of simply "nice" short stories. (The Manga started to get a reputation with the Oniwabanshu sub-Arc , and really became a behemoth only with the Kyoto Arc.) But well , we'll see how it goes. At the very least , this Remake won't totally render the Original Anime irrevelant , they will just be 2 different interpretation of the same story. |
"Genius lives only one storey above madness." – Arthur Schopenhauer. "Stupidity is a talent for misconception." – Edgar Allan Poe. "I'm tired... and hungry." – Alexioos95. |
Jul 9, 2023 7:03 PM
#24
My guess is this season will end with the first fight of the Kyoto arc, and Maybe the Trust and Betrayel flashback in the end(something like Hajime no Ippo did with one of it's seasons) |
Sup... |
Jul 10, 2023 4:58 AM
#25
You really love Rurouni kenshin huh. Anyway this was a really neat thread and I feel that this adaptation is pretty good. We'll have to see how they handle music during some of the important parts cause the old anime did it fantastically. Also, Kenshin's new voice feels weird because the old kenshin sounded kinder than this version. |
Jul 12, 2023 7:43 PM
#26
VERY nice thread! I've watched basically everything but have not delved into the manga. I knew the anime felt filler like after the Kyoto Arc. Good to know I was right. Hoping the final arc of the manga gets adapted. |
Jul 13, 2023 3:42 PM
#28
Thanks for another week of comparisons with ep.2 |
Jul 13, 2023 4:48 PM
#29
Thank you so much for making this thread, it's incredibly helpful and illustrative. I was really happy and excited when they announced this new adaptation, but I was also a little worried that they would try to get to the Kyoto and Jinchuu Arcs as soon as possible, rushing the story. However, judging from the pacing of this first 2 episodes and Watsuki's involvement in the production, I think it's safe to say that this season is probably only going to focus on the Tokyo Arc, with the hypotheticals upcoming seasons adapting the rest of the manga. That would be great. |
Andan210Jul 13, 2023 5:05 PM
The only True Ending is the Harem Ending. |
Jul 14, 2023 1:00 AM
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Alexioos95 said: damn, for "filler" characters, the doc an his grand daughters stayed around for awhileWilliam_san said: @Alexioos95 so in the 1997 anime the characters like that old doctor and then his two granddaughters were fillers? also in the 1997 there was no conspiracy to take away Kaoru's dojo but it's there in the 2023 one. so which of one's correct 1997 or 2023? The doctor and his granddaughters indeed were fillers. They were good characters tho. As for the Dojo of Kaoru , the 2023 Anime is the one who's right. In the Original Anime , they replaced the conspiracy with a revenge. and in the first episode, may be 1997 version only, but as kenshin would say "i much prefer" how they had kaoru figure out who the fake is and confront him herself, than be some damsel that needs saving, sure the end result is effectly the same, but it showed that she was a character that could think on her feet, so to speak, in episode 1 of the 1997 version, even if it was only due to liberties being taken, the original is always best, i just hope not too many more liberties were taken and ends up ruining the story i remember from only watching the anime Andan210 I doubt they'll get to kyoto, at least in season 1. Judging by the opening, and whos in it, I have a fair idea of where it will end. I don't expect pacing to be an issue. also apparently the characters to the left of this are counted as "0" characters? way more than 15, but 0? what has mal come to these days. edited this post to add it, maybe it was due to this previous post? i dunno... its late for me69531565 Thank you so much for making this thread, it's incredibly helpful and illustrative. I was really happy and excited when they announced this new adaptation, but I was also a little worried that they would try to get to the Kyoto and Jinchuu Arcs as soon as possible, rushing the story. However, judging from the pacing of this first 2 episodes and Watsuki's involvement in the production, I think it's safe to say that this season is probably only going to focus on the Tokyo Arc, with the hypotheticals upcoming seasons adapting the rest of the manga. That would be great. |
Hito420Jul 14, 2023 1:08 AM
Jul 17, 2023 5:02 AM
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I see that you keep going with the comparisons. :) Regarding the ones that you listed for episode 2, I am mostly positive about them, except for the shouting of the sword styles, which felt a bit weird with everyone doing it at once. |
Jul 20, 2023 1:17 PM
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Updates : Notes for Episode 03 has been added ! Edit : Also, i fear to hit the character limit before the final episode... I will probably moves the explanations of the entries to my blog when i hit the limit. |
Alexioos95Jul 26, 2023 2:06 PM
"Genius lives only one storey above madness." – Arthur Schopenhauer. "Stupidity is a talent for misconception." – Edgar Allan Poe. "I'm tired... and hungry." – Alexioos95. |
Jul 20, 2023 1:21 PM
#33
Very interesting thread! I didn't read the manga or watched the old anime so it's very useful |
Jul 20, 2023 2:24 PM
#34
Thanks for this week's information |
Jul 21, 2023 2:25 AM
#35
Thanks again for the god's work this week |
Deep dark fantasies |
Jul 21, 2023 6:06 AM
#36
I think the biggest difference here is that how Kenshin at the start of the story "took in" "that event", which plays around on how Kenshin is represented as a person. The Kenshin of the 1996 Anime was a kind man who lives in regret due to his sins in the past, and he was looking for a direction. He is always trying to be kind and down-to-earth not only because of his upbringing, but also because of his wish that this direction is the way to more peace. It was the peace he wanted "because of that person". "Both the good things and the bad things that person did to him." The Kenshin of this anime is both a hero and a killer. He said he was wandering, but in his heart he is still the killer he is. That "event" from the past and "that person" don't seem to live much mark on him as a person, albeit I'm sure they'll include her anyway. I don't know if this changes are done bcs that's how the author wanted it in the past, or he just changed his mind due to newer adaptations (this Kenshin is closer to the live adaptation version than the manga, let alone the 1996 adaptation. despite the obvious differences in the story, ofc.) or was it just because the preference and art direction of the director/somebody in the anime SC. but it will change the meaning of Kenshin's romance with Kaoru, and the overall relationship between Kenshin and the cast. btw: great thread. I'm looking forward to following this thread. just ask a mod to allow you to add post just under you/just make a new thread where you book the next 6 replies for yourself, if you fear you'll run out of char limits. thanks for your hard work bro. |
Revvie-chanJul 21, 2023 6:21 AM
Jul 21, 2023 11:10 AM
#37
Revvie-chan said: The Kenshin of the 1996 Anime was a kind man who lives in regret due to his sins in the past, and he was looking for a direction. He is always trying to be kind and down-to-earth not only because of his upbringing, but also because of his wish that this direction is the way to more peace. It was the peace he wanted "because of that person". "Both the good things and the bad things that person did to him." The Kenshin of this anime is both a hero and a killer. He said he was wandering, but in his heart he is still the killer he is. That "event" from the past and "that person" don't seem to live much mark on him as a person, albeit I'm sure they'll include her anyway. I'm not sure to follow you on this... All you said about the '96's Kenshin is also valable for his Manga's counterpart , and also most probably will be for this one. About the part where you says that this Remake's Kenshin is still a killer... well yes , just like how he was in the Original Anime or the Manga. That's what's shown in the Jin-e sub-Arc , and at multiples times in the Kyoto Arc. He wants to believe that he won't need to kill again , and made a vow on it , but peoples just won't let him be happy. In the Manga , his scar his used as a symbolism for his regrets. Revvie-chan said: just ask a mod to allow you to add post just under you/just make a new thread where you book the next 6 replies for yourself, if you fear you'll run out of char limits. Oh , i didn't knew mods could manipulate replies like that. I'll definitely ask one when the time comes. I wouldn't really like to create another thread tho , it'll mess up with the watched thread , and the history in the profile. |
"Genius lives only one storey above madness." – Arthur Schopenhauer. "Stupidity is a talent for misconception." – Edgar Allan Poe. "I'm tired... and hungry." – Alexioos95. |
Jul 21, 2023 11:31 AM
#38
Jul 22, 2023 2:58 AM
#39
Alexioos95 said: Revvie-chan said: The Kenshin of the 1996 Anime was a kind man who lives in regret due to his sins in the past, and he was looking for a direction. He is always trying to be kind and down-to-earth not only because of his upbringing, but also because of his wish that this direction is the way to more peace. It was the peace he wanted "because of that person". "Both the good things and the bad things that person did to him." The Kenshin of this anime is both a hero and a killer. He said he was wandering, but in his heart he is still the killer he is. That "event" from the past and "that person" don't seem to live much mark on him as a person, albeit I'm sure they'll include her anyway. I'm not sure to follow you on this... All you said about the '96's Kenshin is also valable for his Manga's counterpart , and also most probably will be for this one. About the part where you says that this Remake's Kenshin is still a killer... well yes , just like how he was in the Original Anime or the Manga. That's what's shown in the Jin-e sub-Arc , and at multiples times in the Kyoto Arc. He wants to believe that he won't need to kill again , and made a vow on it , but peoples just won't let him be happy. In the Manga , his scar his used as a symbolism for his regrets. Revvie-chan said: just ask a mod to allow you to add post just under you/just make a new thread where you book the next 6 replies for yourself, if you fear you'll run out of char limits. Oh , i didn't knew mods could manipulate replies like that. I'll definitely ask one when the time comes. I wouldn't really like to create another thread tho , it'll mess up with the watched thread , and the history in the profile. nah I mean only for the representation of Kenshin as a character, in relation to the narrative of each version of adaptation. it's like "focus on the aspect that is the killer" vs "focus on the aspect that is the humble rurouni looking for a sanctuary for his soul" it changes on where the starting point of the story for him as a character is (which obviously will change how the journey should be seen) maybe I should say it like this: this version feels more like John Wick than as Ezio Auditore at the final part of his trilogy. both still killer? yes both are not allowed to get out of that life throughout the story? yes both are weary? yes but the former's whole journey throughout the story was him finding reprieve as he mentally goes through those stages of grief vs the latter is griefing, yes, but while he carries that regret all of his life, he's done with the stages of grief before, and now his journey is about fixing those things that he either did, or was forced to do. So it's like: okay so what? it's not like the sacrifices were pointless, and it's not like the good times weren't there or the good times now only leave regret, and only regret. to me, it feels like that the 96 anime seems to try to potray by making Kenshin's starting point as a character "more humble". while the current remake, since it wants more grit (thanks to Kenshin's starting point being a killer), the comical gags are reduced. The manga for me feels more neutral, in this sense, as it tries to portray Kenshin's reality of life and the salvation he receives by meeting Kaoru and basically getting to spend the 2nd half of his life with her. (I don't know. Maybe this is what the author originally wanted but couldn't portray that well, back then? publishing schedule for manga was and is still mad, after all.) the words don't change, but some of the order of the dialogues do. some action changes, some are more faithful, some are simply cut out. those changes each respective adaptation took change how the meaning of the delivery is. Mod: I think they do? just ask, really. Good luck, bro. |
Jul 23, 2023 12:03 AM
#40
Alexioos95 said: For those who are unaware, this Anime is a Remake of the 1996 one. The latter didn't completely adapted the Manga, so we hope to get multiples seasons of this Remake to do so. This season will run for 24 Episodes, but we don't know how many content they plan to adapt. The Author actively took part in the production of this adaptation, and did a few alterations, on top of adding some elements to the story, that he wished to do but couldn't during the publication of the Manga. ________________________________________________________________ In this thread, i'll list which chapters are adapted by each episode, on top of pointing out all altered or skipped content. But before that, here is a tour of the Rurouni Kenshin franchise, explaining every entry : To begin, there is the Main Manga. (Officially licensed in English by Viz and Manga Plus.) He's composed of 3 Arcs : Tokyo (Volumes 1-6/Chapters 01-47), Kyoto (Volumes 7-18/Chapters 48-151), and Jinchuu (Volumes 18-28/Chapters 152-255). The Volumes release also include the 3 prototypes of the story :
Tokuhitsuban is a re-telling of the Tokyo Arc, made to celebrate the announcement of the first Live-Action Movie, in 2012. Volume 1 also include "Act Zero", another Prologue to the original Manga. (It's licensed in English by Viz under the "Restoration" name.) To celebrate the release of the second Live-Action Movie in 2014, Uramaku : Honoo wo Suberu, a one-shot telling us more about the antagonist of the Kyoto Arc, and his allies, was released. The Volume also includes a short Novel written by the wife of the Author, which is the same story, but told from the perspective of a subordinate. (The one-shot was licensed in English by Viz as "Master of Flame", but it doesn't seems to be available anymore. You can find a fan-translation on MangaDex) In 2016, Hokkaido-hen, a Sequel story taking place a few months after the Epilogues of the original Manga, started. (It was licensed in English by Viz, but they dropped it because of the Author's crime. You can find the fan-translations on MangaDex.) There is also 4 Light Novels in the franchise :
Kamiya Dojo Monogatari is fan-translated on this Tumblr. Unfortunately, Yahiko's Battle and Ginmaku Soshi-hen never got translated. Unlike Mangas, Animes entries on MAL have an "Available at" section in the informations, so i won't post the links for it. If there is no link, or if there is, but they are not available in your region, then it may be time to sail the seas... but i won't help you to. The original Anime adapted the Tokyo and Kyoto Arcs. (Respectively episodes 01-27, aka. "Season 1", and episodes 28-62, aka. "Season 2".) The Tokyo Arc got a few fillers and alterations here and there, while the Kyoto one was done extremely faithfully, without any filler or highly altered material. Unfortunately, the Jinchuu Arc was not adapted. Being still ongoing at the time of the release of episode 62, the producer committee did a series of fillers instead (episodes 63-94, aka. "Season 3"), to wait for it to finish. However, the fillers were so badly received that the Anime was cancelled, before it could even touch this Final Arc. To give a sense of closure to the series, a Special (aka. episode 95) was released a few months after the cancellation. During the run of the series of fillers, Ishinshishi e no Chinkoka, a filler Movie was released. We also got 3 Specials :
As for the 5 (good !) Live-Action Movies :
________________________________________________________________ For those who want, here is a Google Sheets. (Attention, notes are summarized and not hidden !) Episode 01 : Chapter 01.
Episode 02 : Chapter 02, few pages of 03.
Episode 03 : Chapters 03, 04, a page of 05.
Episode 04 : ?
________________________________________________________________ Don't hesitate to make a post, like that the thread will be bumped, and more people will be able to read it. If you have any questions about the franchise, or some suggestions about this thread, you can @ me. I'm reading it when every EPISODE AIRS so keep it up bud tough work but your work is APPRECIATED by the FANS |
Jul 23, 2023 12:48 AM
#41
this thread should be definitely pinned...i hope MAL has that function... |
Jul 23, 2023 1:16 AM
#42
WVM said: I'm reading it when every EPISODE AIRS so keep it up bud tough work but your work is APPRECIATED by the FANS Thanks ! But can you please stop to quote the whole post ? It makes the thread longer , and harder to read. You can simply post without quoting anything , i have this thread on watched. (You can also @Alexioos95 , to ping me.) matias067 said: this thread should be definitely pinned...i hope MAL has that function... Pinned threads are for extremely important threads only , made by mods. (Rules , warnings...) You can "watch" this thread tho , it'll save it in your panel , and ping you when someone post in it. |
Alexioos95Jul 23, 2023 1:19 AM
"Genius lives only one storey above madness." – Arthur Schopenhauer. "Stupidity is a talent for misconception." – Edgar Allan Poe. "I'm tired... and hungry." – Alexioos95. |
Jul 27, 2023 1:38 PM
#43
Updates : Notes for Episode 04 has been added ! @Revvie-chan i asked a forum mods, and they can't manipulate the replies like that. (It's a time-based system, so it can't be modified) I think i'll just move the explanations of entries to one of my blogs, and link it here. It'll also permit me to detail a little bit more too. |
"Genius lives only one storey above madness." – Arthur Schopenhauer. "Stupidity is a talent for misconception." – Edgar Allan Poe. "I'm tired... and hungry." – Alexioos95. |
Jul 27, 2023 6:22 PM
#44
Alexioos95 said: oh. sadge.Updates : Notes for Episode 04 has been added ! @Revvie-chan i asked a forum mods, and they can't manipulate the replies like that. (It's a time-based system, so it can't be modified) I think i'll just move the explanations of entries to one of my blogs, and link it here. It'll also permit me to detail a little bit more too. thanks for your hard work, as always |
Jul 28, 2023 11:07 AM
#45
@Alexioos95 thanks for making this thread. It's very informative. |
Jul 31, 2023 9:43 AM
#47
I haven't picked the anime yet, but after a quick glance of this info it seems the anime is too much differ from the source material; I wonder is it really worth to watch the anime? |
plin plin plon |
Jul 31, 2023 9:55 AM
#48
nishant0 said: I haven't picked the anime yet, but after a quick glance of this info it seems the anime is too much differ from the source material; I wonder is it really worth to watch the anime? Absolutely every Animes makes some minor alterations , they can't do a perfect 1:1 adaptation of all details. In reality , all alterations here are extremely minimal and almost unnoticeable , i'm just very meticulous. As of Episode 04 , there is only 2 important changes. #1 - They modified the timeline of events in Episodes 02 & 03. It's not too much of a change , and it actually makes more sense like this. #2 - They greatly reduced the comedy aspect. This one is extremely important , as it completely changes the viewers perception , which is why i'm doubtful , even if i still love it. I already talked about that in one of the reply : https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2104576&msgid=69497992#msg69497992 But it's important to know that this Anime is not expected to be a 100% faithful adaptation of the Manga anyway , but a re-interpretation of it. The Manga , the 96 Anime , and this one , are all the same story but told differently. The Manga is a balance of Comedy/Action , the 96 Anime added more Comedy , and this one almost removed it. No matter what , each version doesn't render the previous one useless/irrevelant. You can always try them all. |
"Genius lives only one storey above madness." – Arthur Schopenhauer. "Stupidity is a talent for misconception." – Edgar Allan Poe. "I'm tired... and hungry." – Alexioos95. |
Jul 31, 2023 10:09 AM
#49
Alexioos95 said: I see, if there is less comedy then ig it is more focused on the plot, that is a good thing for me. Lesser the comedy, more the better, but yeah only if the story is engaging. nishant0 said: I haven't picked the anime yet, but after a quick glance of this info it seems the anime is too much differ from the source material; I wonder is it really worth to watch the anime? Absolutely every Animes makes some minor alterations , they can't do a perfect 1:1 adaptation of all details. In reality , all alterations here are extremely minimal and almost unnoticeable , i'm just very meticulous. As of Episode 04 , there is only 2 important changes. #1 - They modified the timeline of events in Episodes 02 & 03. It's not too much of a change , and it actually makes more sense like this. #2 - They greatly reduced the comedy aspect. This one is extremely important , as it completely changes the viewers perception , which is why i'm doubtful , even if i still love it. I already talked about that in one of the reply : https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2104576&msgid=69497992#msg69497992 But it's important to know that this Anime is not expected to be a 100% faithful adaptation of the Manga anyway , but a re-interpretation of it. The Manga , the 96 Anime , and this one , are all the same story but told differently. The Manga is a balance of Comedy/Action , the 96 Anime added more Comedy , and this one almost removed it. No matter what , each version doesn't render the previous one useless/irrevelant. You can always try them all. thanks btw. |
plin plin plon |
Aug 3, 2023 12:50 AM
#50
Thanks for the thread! I’ve one question about the 4th episode: to prepare for the fight with Kenshin, Sano did some research about his past even by going to Kyoto. But… in the kyoto arc Sano didn’t know how to get there, in this aspect he is like Zoro from One Piece (or the other way around) So, because i don’t quite remember the first part of the manga, there is some difference in it or is just a little continuity/characterzation error? |
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