Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Gou Episode 5 Discussion

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NoviSun said:

ssjokg said:

If we annoy you because we love this series and want to GASP discuss the story and guess what each mystery will bring us then you can quietly leave.

What you are doing, trying to bait certain fans with insults every few posts, is harassment and I kindly ask you to stop.

You call me names and mock me, and then tell me I’m the bad one? Hahaha. This board is for the anime not the VN. Please stop harassing me.

Called you names huh...plz do link them.

Pal nobody even talked to you after the age thing and yet you kept baiting and insulting people.

If you are that salty that people dont give a fuck about what you think is official iinfo, suck it up and move on.No need to try and bait others.

Telling you very politely to stop isnt harassment. What you are doing without anyone even talking to you is. Just stop.

Nov 2, 2020 9:18 AM

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NoviSun said:
This place is spoiler city with all the troll, malcontents and VN fans who want to show how intelligent they are.

It's a sequel, it's fine.

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Nov 2, 2020 10:21 AM

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Raging-Man said:
Don't know why i even bother reading the forums to discuss this when OG watchers just spoil shit without tags.

Most of us OG viewers are using spoiler tags.

And on the few occasions when I haven't used spoiler tags to discuss "spoilers," it was only for obvious stuff like the fact that there's more or less a time loop going on here. Like, if you've watched all 5 episodes of Gou, you should have caught on to the time loop already.

And, since this is a sequel to the original, even we OG viewers don't know exactly what will happen. Thus, the only plot details you could be spoiled on are plot details for the original, not for Gou.

Therefore, if you're not planning on watching the OG, you don't have very much to worry about because most spoilers for the OG are probably going to be irrelevant in Gou. The whole plot of Gou has been defying the expectations of OG viewers.

And if you are planning on watching the OG, then go do that right now before coming back to this. Just because the OG was made by DEEN in 2006 doesn't mean it's bad, okay? It's actually good. Listen, just watch the OG if you're so concerned about a handful of people making untagged spoilers.

Nov 2, 2020 10:51 AM

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I can also speak for myself, being careful with using the informations of the original. I am using spoiler tags, whenever I think it might be spoilery for the background of Gou or for the main story of Higurashi.

Nov 2, 2020 2:19 PM

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I have not watched the original and I'm starting to feel that I should before watching this - or is the original equally inexplicable? Unless I'm mistaken the story time looped(?) a couple of weeks (or was it exactly 10 days?) before the events of the last episode. There was no explanation or reason given for that whatsoever, apart from that calendar showing the dates. In the last episode 3/5 of the MCs died, now everyone is alive. And yet this episode started like a cool morning sunshine, as if not a single drop of blood was spilled last week..

It appears that dates are important in this story and we need to take note of them. I just remember that it was June 1983 in the last episodes but not the exact dates. While calendars suggest that there is time travelling or looping involved they do not provide any reason for why it happens. I guess ... time will tell. My uneducated theory is that the story time loops repeatedly between 12 and 22 June 1983, in that last day all hell breaks loose and then the story goes back to 12 June .. ad infinitum.

In the first loop of the show Keiichi had flashbacks of killing Rena in a very different way (with a club) so clearly it wasn't his first loop. Presumably in that loop it was him who snapped and attacked Rena rather than the other way around. I suppose in the current loop Keiichi will also have flashbacks of when Rena stabbed him like 25 times or so and yet he survived..

Nov 2, 2020 5:42 PM

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Sharpedon said:
I have not watched the original and I'm starting to feel that I should before watching this - or is the original equally inexplicable? Unless I'm mistaken the story time looped(?) a couple of weeks (or was it exactly 10 days?) before the events of the last episode. There was no explanation or reason given for that whatsoever, apart from that calendar showing the dates. In the last episode 3/5 of the MCs died, now everyone is alive. And yet this episode started like a cool morning sunshine, as if not a single drop of blood was spilled last week..

It appears that dates are important in this story and we need to take note of them. I just remember that it was June 1983 in the last episodes but not the exact dates. While calendars suggest that there is time travelling or looping involved they do not provide any reason for why it happens. I guess ... time will tell. My uneducated theory is that the story time loops repeatedly between 12 and 22 June 1983, in that last day all hell breaks loose and then the story goes back to 12 June .. ad infinitum.

In the first loop of the show Keiichi had flashbacks of killing Rena in a very different way (with a club) so clearly it wasn't his first loop. Presumably in that loop it was him who snapped and attacked Rena rather than the other way around. I suppose in the current loop Keiichi will also have flashbacks of when Rena stabbed him like 25 times or so and yet he survived..

The original anime and the visual novel (source material) are just the same: you get thrown back in time and simply have to move along. But you're actually encouraged to ask questions, because that's part of the mystery. So if you watch the original for clarity, you will be just as lost at the beginning. Maybe even more because they don't even throw in the dates like this one haha. Only at the end of the first season and second season do we start getting answers.

This is not a bad thing, though. As I said, great part of the Higurashi experience is trying to find answers to the mystery on your own, so make sure to do that :)

Nov 2, 2020 7:16 PM

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Sharpedon said:
I have not watched the original and I'm starting to feel that I should before watching this - or is the original equally inexplicable?

They're both equally inexplicable to people viewing them for the first time who have no background knowledge on the franchise.

That being said, Gou is way less inexplicable to people who have already watched the original, so you should go watch the original.

Sharpedon said:
Unless I'm mistaken the story time looped(?) a couple of weeks (or was it exactly 10 days?) before the events of the last episode. There was no explanation or reason given for that whatsoever, apart from that calendar showing the dates. In the last episode 3/5 of the MCs died, now everyone is alive. And yet this episode started like a cool morning sunshine, as if not a single drop of blood was spilled last week..

You're not mistaken. There is a time loop, and none of the events of Onidamashi-hen happened in Watadamashi-hen. They happened in the previous iteration of the time loop.

Sharpedon said:
It appears that dates are important in this story and we need to take note of them. I just remember that it was June 1983 in the last episodes but not the exact dates. While calendars suggest that there is time travelling or looping involved they do not provide any reason for why it happens. I guess ... time will tell. My uneducated theory is that the story time loops repeatedly between 12 and 22 June 1983, in that last day all hell breaks loose and then the story goes back to 12 June .. ad infinitum.

Well, us OG viewers already know exactly why the time loop exists and who is responsible for its existence. We're not telling because it's a major spoiler though.

As for your theory, that sounds cool, but we weren't told that the time loop could function that way in the OG, so I don't know if it will happen in Gou.

Sharpedon said:
In the first loop of the show Keiichi had flashbacks of killing Rena in a very different way (with a club) so clearly it wasn't his first loop. Presumably in that loop it was him who snapped and attacked Rena rather than the other way around.

This is a big spoiler, but

Nov 2, 2020 10:54 PM

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The current day is the event prior to the festival, before Rena tried to murder Keiichi. So Rika committed suicide to reset the time? Welp, it appears that Mion likes Keiichi and she's really influential in the area.

Nov 3, 2020 12:11 AM

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DCEmperor said:

This is a big spoiler, but

Is that the dub?

Holy shiets it looks like someone dubbed over using some random dude.

Nov 3, 2020 1:32 AM

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Ok so is this like Yosuga no Sora loop where every heroine gets their own arc thing?
Or is every loop connected somehow?

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Nov 3, 2020 2:45 AM

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dasprn said:
Ok so is this like Yosuga no Sora loop where every heroine gets their own arc thing?
Or is every loop connected somehow?

Watch the start of episode 2.

You will get your answer without me spoiling anything.

Nov 3, 2020 3:08 AM

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ssjokg said:

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Ok so is this like Yosuga no Sora loop where every heroine gets their own arc thing?
Or is every loop connected somehow?

Watch the start of episode 2.

You will get your answer without me spoiling anything.

I got that it's a loop thing but are they related? I mean is each arc cannon to the other?

When someone asks me why I like anime, I'd say Just Because.

Nov 3, 2020 3:14 AM

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dasprn said:

ssjokg said:

Watch the start of episode 2.

You will get your answer without me spoiling anything.

I got that it's a loop thing but are they related? I mean is each arc cannon to the other?

It is like Re:Zero, we just dont follow the one that is aware of the loops. So yes what you learn in each loop/arc is canon.

Nov 3, 2020 3:20 AM

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ssjokg said:

dasprn said:

I got that it's a loop thing but are they related? I mean is each arc cannon to the other?

It is like Re:Zero, we just dont follow the one that is aware of the loops. So yes what you learn in each loop/arc is canon.

So only Rika knows? That's understandable.

When someone asks me why I like anime, I'd say Just Because.

Nov 3, 2020 5:41 AM

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dasprn said:

ssjokg said:

It is like Re:Zero, we just dont follow the one that is aware of the loops. So yes what you learn in each loop/arc is canon.

So only Rika knows? That's understandable.

Yep. Well, Rika and the person she was talking to.

You know, everyone's talking about Mion, Shion, and how this arc will relate to Wataganashi-hen, but nobody's talking about the real elephant in the room here...

ssjokg said:

DCEmperor said:

This is a big spoiler, but

Is that the dub?

Holy shiets it looks like someone dubbed over using some random dude.

Yep, that's the dub.

I actually don't mind the dubbed version of the OG Higurashi because I entered the franchise through the dubbed OG anime.

Nov 3, 2020 3:30 PM

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ssjokg said:

dasprn said:

I got that it's a loop thing but are they related? I mean is each arc cannon to the other?

It is like Re:Zero, we just dont follow the one that is aware of the loops. So yes what you learn in each loop/arc is canon.

I see; and judging from that surreal (and reportedly controversial) scene that would be Rika.

Nov 3, 2020 3:33 PM

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Sharpedon said:
I have not watched the original and I'm starting to feel that I should before watching this - or is the original equally inexplicable?

They're both equally inexplicable to people viewing them for the first time who have no background knowledge on the franchise.

That being said, Gou is way less inexplicable to people who have already watched the original, so you should go watch the original.

Sharpedon said:
Unless I'm mistaken the story time looped(?) a couple of weeks (or was it exactly 10 days?) before the events of the last episode. There was no explanation or reason given for that whatsoever, apart from that calendar showing the dates. In the last episode 3/5 of the MCs died, now everyone is alive. And yet this episode started like a cool morning sunshine, as if not a single drop of blood was spilled last week..

You're not mistaken. There is a time loop, and none of the events of Onidamashi-hen happened in Watadamashi-hen. They happened in the previous iteration of the time loop.

Sharpedon said:
It appears that dates are important in this story and we need to take note of them. I just remember that it was June 1983 in the last episodes but not the exact dates. While calendars suggest that there is time travelling or looping involved they do not provide any reason for why it happens. I guess ... time will tell. My uneducated theory is that the story time loops repeatedly between 12 and 22 June 1983, in that last day all hell breaks loose and then the story goes back to 12 June .. ad infinitum.

Well, us OG viewers already know exactly why the time loop exists and who is responsible for its existence. We're not telling because it's a major spoiler though.

As for your theory, that sounds cool, but we weren't told that the time loop could function that way in the OG, so I don't know if it will happen in Gou.

Sharpedon said:
In the first loop of the show Keiichi had flashbacks of killing Rena in a very different way (with a club) so clearly it wasn't his first loop. Presumably in that loop it was him who snapped and attacked Rena rather than the other way around.

This is a big spoiler, but

Thanks for your informative reply and for hiding that "big spoiler" behind a spoiler tag that I am certainly not going to click :)

Nov 3, 2020 3:36 PM

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random_weirdo said:

Sharpedon said:
I have not watched the original and I'm starting to feel that I should before watching this - or is the original equally inexplicable? Unless I'm mistaken the story time looped(?) a couple of weeks (or was it exactly 10 days?) before the events of the last episode. There was no explanation or reason given for that whatsoever, apart from that calendar showing the dates. In the last episode 3/5 of the MCs died, now everyone is alive. And yet this episode started like a cool morning sunshine, as if not a single drop of blood was spilled last week..

It appears that dates are important in this story and we need to take note of them. I just remember that it was June 1983 in the last episodes but not the exact dates. While calendars suggest that there is time travelling or looping involved they do not provide any reason for why it happens. I guess ... time will tell. My uneducated theory is that the story time loops repeatedly between 12 and 22 June 1983, in that last day all hell breaks loose and then the story goes back to 12 June .. ad infinitum.

In the first loop of the show Keiichi had flashbacks of killing Rena in a very different way (with a club) so clearly it wasn't his first loop. Presumably in that loop it was him who snapped and attacked Rena rather than the other way around. I suppose in the current loop Keiichi will also have flashbacks of when Rena stabbed him like 25 times or so and yet he survived..

The original anime and the visual novel (source material) are just the same: you get thrown back in time and simply have to move along. But you're actually encouraged to ask questions, because that's part of the mystery. So if you watch the original for clarity, you will be just as lost at the beginning. Maybe even more because they don't even throw in the dates like this one haha. Only at the end of the first season and second season do we start getting answers.

This is not a bad thing, though. As I said, great part of the Higurashi experience is trying to find answers to the mystery on your own, so make sure to do that :)

Thanks a lot for the reply. Though I am tempted I am not going to spoil myself by looking stuff up so that I ask questions and find answers on my own as you suggested :)

Nov 3, 2020 4:34 PM

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dasprn said:

ssjokg said:

It is like Re:Zero, we just dont follow the one that is aware of the loops. So yes what you learn in each loop/arc is canon.

So only Rika knows? That's understandable.

Yes, but there's a difference. To make it simple: in Re:Zero, Subaru's course of actions are the ones decisive on the outcome. In Higurashi anyone's course of actions can actually change the outcome of the events. As you have already noticed, it's not rewinding the tape, onidamashi and watadamashi are different scenarios.

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Nov 3, 2020 4:45 PM

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I would need less than 1 minute with Sonazaki Sisters, that would be enough time.
They could kill me after that, but I would want 45 seconds with them in a room

If you're a fanboy, please don't waste my time.

Watch more movies, please.

Perhaps, this is hell.

Nov 3, 2020 6:47 PM

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Nefelupitou said:
I would need less than 1 minute with Sonazaki Sisters, that would be enough time.
They could kill me after that, but I would want 45 seconds with them in a room

If we go by the OG at least, only the one is dangerous, not both of them.

And the Sonozaki Sisters are nothing when compared to

Nov 4, 2020 3:38 AM

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Nefelupitou said:
I would need less than 1 minute with Sonazaki Sisters, that would be enough time.
They could kill me after that, but I would want 45 seconds with them in a room

I actually feel the same way. I would die a happy man.

Nov 4, 2020 11:33 AM

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Not going to lie, I'm actually pretty bored of this series :/

Nov 4, 2020 2:42 PM

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