Kaguya-sama wa Kokurasetai: Tensai-tachi no Renai Zunousen Chapter 276 Discussion

samsince04 said:
Damn, that was boring. Is that how Aka thought to end Hayasaka's involvement in the story? That was bad. And I thought Osaragi's potential as a character was wasted... Hayasaka is on another level.

RioFS said:
Just re-read the chapter and dunno how I missed that huge Oshi no Ko reference just lying there on the first page. No possible way Hayasaka's "dreams" managed to predict
Then again, supernatural occurrences are canon in the Akasaka verse.

RobertBobert said:


Then how old are they if the events of Oshi take place several years after the end of Kaguya, but Yuu and Iino are still at the university when the group already exists? And why was all this sleep shit needed when literally on the same frame it was allegedly confirmed that this would happen in reality?

RioFS said:

I think it's Akasaka trolling again. I dunno why the sleep shit is there though. Maybe meant to show that she can dream happily now or something and her life is no longer attached to the Shinomiyas or something like that.

RobertBobert said:


I'm just showing you the possible readings instead of referring to the only option as "the most obvious and the only one possible".

Again, this makes perfect sense without any dreams. But why was it added and, according to your own logic, refuted on the same page? What's the point? And why should it be read the way you want it to be? Why is it supposedly such an original narrative and it can only be trusted in this form? Because you decided that the narrative is just such and trusting it, we can only come to such a decision? Doubtful.

The intentionally abstract "a bit in the future in the future" could just mean that she is dreaming, and it not happening or will happen in reality.

FlamepriesT said:

Hmmm, I think that's just reading too much into it. Too many questions and what ifs.

Think of it this way. When you're reading a murder mystery, you still have to trust the narrative. If you stop thinking just because there could be secret doors all over the place... or because the perfectly sane protagonist could be hallucinating at any given point... you won't get anywhere. Especially if the narrative explicitly shows/tells you otherwise. And in the case of Kaguya-sama, which isn't a murder mystery, being suspicious makes even less sense to me. It would only make sense if this were a mindscrew and the narrative didn't outright tell us otherwise.

Long story short - this is Kaguya-sama, not Serial Experiments Lain.

FlamepriesT said:
Schrodinger's yuri:
Haters will say it's just another gag, but deep down ya now what they be doin' in that room.

CQLLIST said:
Ah, the Oshi No Ko reference and Kaguya's cameo in that series referring to this chapter were true after all. Anyways though it's getting better they're bringing the main cast to tell and get their end of the story, I didn't care less about Nagisa's and Osaragi's conclusion to the main story and Maki on the other hand, oh how long had they been together till now.. Also, Ishigami got cool piercings yeah.

fourscarsman said:
Well, I think it's a real future, but it was a dream. One thing interest me that Akasaka-sensei resonating what he inserted in Oshi no Ko that Kaguya become a photographer. Are Kaguya-sama's and Oshi no Ko's story set in the same universe, aren't they?

hinkahinkhurrrr said:
Some sort of time skip it looks like? Aka is so done with this series major character developments are just mentioned passively in exposition dumping instead of giving it any time to flesh it out. I've been extremely disappointed with this series the past couple of chapters because it used to be my favorite. Now I'm just wishing it would've ended sooner.

TheGunfireGuy said:
If Oshi no ko and its reincarnation thing is in the same canon as kaguya I want to attribute this whole chapter to hayasaka having some sort of vision of the future instead of just a dream I want it to be real so bad lmao.

That little bit of wishfulness aside, this was such a cute chapter. I am not ready for the end.

Satan1234 said:
Hayasaka's character was always based around her lack of freedom and a lack of unique identity for herself. Showing her travels around the world and coming back and meeting up with the crew, shows how she managed to break out of her shell and is finally free now. She was also bound by rules and had to act stiff her whole life, and is now shown to be acting immature and carefree in this chapter. The contrast is what brings an end to her character. Imo, that was a perfect ending for her.

Also, about the dream thing. I didn't interpret like it was an actual dream. Her 'dream' probably refered to her future goals/aim. And the final panel simply shows her current self, moving towards that future. And the narrator declaring in the very first panel how the story is set in the future, imo, basically confirms the future is a certainty.

RobertBobert said:


I don't think that becoming a lowkey version of Chika, who also loved to travel and was lazy with her friends, can be called a unique identity. On the contrary, Hayasaka had a unique and memorable personality before that. Moreover, she was already able to get all this before the final arcs, so this chapter actually did little more than her POV for a kind of epilogue. And that's not to mention the ongoing boyfriend issue, which was literally thrown into the trash in favor of a couple of jokes about "her harem" and another manzai gags with Chika.

Then again, why was all this sleep shit necessary? If we consider this the real future, then this is literally refuted in the same frame where it says that "this is a dream." This is probably the most lame and pointless cliffhanger in my life.

Satan1234 said:

You are certainly right about the identity part. Under normal circumstances we would have gotten more chapters flushing her character. But with the lack of time, this is the best way to show it, through contrasts as I said previously.

And my interpretation isn't the same as yours about the dream part. I don't think the chapter even meant to suggest that it was a dream in a literal sense. Just that those are the goals/vision hayasaka has for the future. And we would most probably never even revisit hayasaka's character, so it definitely isn't a cliffhanger.

RobertBobert said:


Yes, the ending is rushed, but I wouldn't call it a contrast. The contrast is when Iino suddenly turns into a one-dimensional character. Here we just get a standard set of gegs instead of real development. It reminds me of the classic "and the adventure continues!" finale, which for some reason is presented as a full-fledged finale.

I call it a cliffhanger because of the dream frame that looks like "was it or wasn't it?" baiting. My complaint is that if it's really real, it just doesn't make sense and confuses readers for no good reason, being not only pointless but also lame, as in such a reading the phrase "all her dreams will come true" , refutes this in the same frame. If Aka really wanted to portray this as the future of the characters, then this could very well be a bonus epilogue to the physical version of the volume. Yes, it would make character development even more frustrating for me, but it would at least make more sense.

Satan1234 said:
I fail to see the "was it or wasn't it?" Part in the chapter. It was all explicitly stated. Guess we can only agree to disagree here.

We still have yet to see lino's final chapter. Whether she becomes a one dimensional drunk in the future or not is dependent on that. And the adventure continues is the kind of finale that we were gonna receive anyway. Most of the issues raised in the main story line about characters have already been resolved to the best capacity. The final chapters are winding up those stories. Lino's final chapter would wrap up her story. This chapter is set up in the future after that happens. Meaning, this chapter contains a version of miko possessing issues other than the ones high school miko had. And drinking simply happens to be her new problem/issue here. It's not like a college student would be a perfect character anyway, they would continue to change and getting more negative values, thus giving the "And the adventure continues" vibes. I prefer it that way, you don't. That's just the simple reason for our disagreement here.

RobertBobert said:


I just wanted a more coherent and complete ending than a bunch of weird decisions, many of which either don't make sense to me or just strange. Ishigami remaining "just friends" with Iino who became an alcoholic, Chika and Hayasaka continuing manzai for manzai and switching personalities, this is not what I expected to see from a manga with such elaborate plot and humor. Maybe someone sees more sense in this, but it's just not for me. I've said several times that I hope that the next chapters will continue to develop and complement each other, but after the confusion in this chapter, I just don't know what to expect. However, I agree that it's better to just leave it here until we start arguing over whose subjective perception is better. Last time, this already led to the cleaning of the thread.

_Redo_ said:
in the end, Fujiwara is still Hayasaka's girl

Light- said:
It’s really ending isn’t it? A bit surprised that ishigami and miko still seem to not be together even in the future after all that build up.

FMmatron said:
That's Aka's way of giving us a timeskip without giving us an actual timeskip at the end.