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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Hmm, training for tactical combat. It looks like Takeru made a hell of an impression. Pretty much just an info dump episode with strategic discussions and tactic strategies. Takeru is definitely intelligent when it comes to his role for what's worth. |
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| My mind's pretty much given up on taking the show seriously and talking in detail about it and while the pacing and rush of content is still terrible, the fact that I gave up mentally on this series somehow made this an easier watch. Loads of infodumping and references to stuff from previous Muv-Luv entries like how he played games with his friends from before and basically is using that experience to translate that to how he operates the TSF. Visuals and direction continue to offer nothing really, CG mechas and their movement's fine, rest aren't that good. The punch Takeru took too had no weight to it whatsoever, felt like a graze more than a punch worthy of blood being spewed because the animation and visuals in general were as underwhelming as ever. |
| Every anime has this under their sleeve: some fanservice to at least add SOME value to the show overall. In the case for Muv-Luv, it only detracts from the experience. Takeru and the other girls are still on the CCSE test, and especially now the TSF mastery to overcome and exterminate the BETA in the Type-94 Fubukis. Personal mechs like the Takemikazuchi under the Shogun's command take different courses of actions, and the criticism taken of Takeru from Lieutenant Mana Tsukuyomi show the in-depthness of Takeru's origins that surprisingly, isn't so hard to understand. Takeru using video game simulation logic to train flexible pilots piloting the inflexible TSFs, and it seems like a good idea with Yuuko as well to put Takeru on the spot as a test pilot (because he is the only one that could). Add the fact that Kasumi knows of future tech, and that Takeru's time-travelling knolwedge to save what could be done, it's all infodump, but really understandable and conceivable. OK, not a bad episode at all. Except the visuals and animation which is non-salvageable at this point. |
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| Pretty big infodump today. Was a bit confusing at times, but overall fun episode. Love seeing the kids grow closer. |
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| so Meiya is part of some royalty in Japan eh we video games now that cancels and combos might be a good lifesaver for all pilots and their base is a former Beta Hive wut |
| Really good episode, I’m liking this more and more with each episode. I wonder when we will see some fights. |
Stark700 said: Takeru is definitely intelligent when it comes to his role for what's worth. Well yeah, considering that this is groundhog day for takeru, Unlimited would explain this... what is it with the derp character designs? wow this pacing... Death to anime. |
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| I've come to the conclusion that this isn't a good adaptation (obviously) but a good anime. As much as I love Muv Luv and would've loved to see a proper adaptation, this is still very enjoyable and I've seen a lot of anime-onlys being able to keep up and enjoy this. |
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| This episode was a huge improvement compared to the previous one. Still, the damage was done, it feels like just a summary of Muv Luv. How are anime-only feeling about the characters? On the main girls? If I try to see it from their perspective they feel really bland and with no personality. Still would like to hear opinion on this from someone else. And Sumika, they show us some glimpses of her, but it's not the same as knowing her from Extra. So yeah, improvement in regards of story, but the characters aren't fleshed out much. Still wouldn't recommend the anime for first experience. |
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| The old Muv Luv anime and Schwarzesmarken is way better than this garbage |
thepathOct 28, 2021 8:42 AM
I'm starting to feel the same way too. There's too little to be happy about with this show. |
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| Hmmmm,a better episode,and I thought the animation was slightly better than the last,so its a tiny improvement,but the OP/ED for this really get on my nerves for some reason. |
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| Haha, this anime made me buy and purchase the VN. I'm still at Extra, but it is funny and charming. Without the Highschool romcom part, a big part is missing honestly, no wonder some viewers don't feel this show. it's more enjoyable if you know where the characters are coming from. for Muv Luv newcomers it's hardly recommendedable without any knowledge of the events in Extra. |
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| This season pretty much a buildup season for the next season, so I'm seeing their training building up slowly, Ep 2-3 were non-mech trainings alongside Yuuko and Takeru explanation, Ep 4 and so on are the REAL mecha training still alongside Yuuko and Takeru explanation. |
Fabienne said: Haha, this anime made me buy and purchase the VN. I'm still at Extra, but it is funny and charming. Without the Highschool romcom part, a big part is missing honestly, no wonder some viewers don't feel this show. it's more enjoyable if you know where the characters are coming from. for Muv Luv newcomers it's hardly recommendedable without any knowledge of the events in Extra. planetwarrior said: This season pretty much a buildup season for the next season, so I'm seeing their training building up slowly, Ep 2-3 were non-mech trainings alongside Yuuko and Takeru explanation, Ep 4 and so on are the REAL mecha training still alongside Yuuko and Takeru explanation. Yep. To be honest the VN version of Alternative itself spends its first half as buildup which sets up a lot of mysteries not mentioned in Unlimited (and of course not in Extra). I tried to tell people that they don't *strictly* need to go through Extra and Unlimited before reading Alternative, especially for those who have not read any VN before to begin with, as they definitely would not have the patience to sit through those 50 hours as their first VN experience. But still, with how little time people have these days, rarely anybody manages to get going reading even just Alternative. There's still hope that if the second cour of this anime does all the climactic parts decently, people can still watch the two cours in a row and not judge the quality too harshly, and I can at least recommend something for the casuals to get into Alternative. |
sho52Oct 29, 2021 12:27 PM
Kahirama said: This episode was a huge improvement compared to the previous one. Still, the damage was done, it feels like just a summary of Muv Luv. How are anime-only feeling about the characters? On the main girls? If I try to see it from their perspective they feel really bland and with no personality. Still would like to hear opinion on this from someone else. And Sumika, they show us some glimpses of her, but it's not the same as knowing her from Extra. So yeah, improvement in regards of story, but the characters aren't fleshed out much. Still wouldn't recommend the anime for first experience. I gotta say, Muv-Luv was never a charage, rather, it uniquely focuses on the protagonist's inner journey, getting the reader to empathize extremely strongly with him. Despite Alternative being my favorite VN of all time (I dubbed it the only life-changing work of art I've ever come across), I only listed Takeru as my favorite character, but nobody else. I don't know how the other readers felt, but my impression was that the other girls in the squad besides Sumika and Meiya were rarely very important in the whole plot of Alternative, which has a dizzying cast of characters throughout its course anyways. But yeah, all Sumika-related scenes are so much more powerful due to the time we spent with her in Extra, this I agree. |
| Felt like a random events were just simply happening, and idk what to think of the progression. |
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sho52 said: Yep. To be honest the VN version of Alternative itself spends its first half as buildup which sets up a lot of mysteries not mentioned in Unlimited (and of course not in Extra). Everyone told me that Extra and Unlimited are the buildup. I'm glad this anime is rushing the early episodes, because I definitely do not have the patience for any more buildup after the dozens of hours I spent getting through Unlimited. |
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Lucifrost said: sho52 said: Yep. To be honest the VN version of Alternative itself spends its first half as buildup which sets up a lot of mysteries not mentioned in Unlimited (and of course not in Extra). Everyone told me that Extra and Unlimited are the buildup. I'm glad this anime is rushing the early episodes, because I definitely do not have the patience for any more buildup after the dozens of hours I spent getting through Unlimited. Honestly, by playing Extra and Unlimited and then watching this anime you are basically ruining your experience in a weird way but that's just my opinion, i'm not trying to stop you from watching it. |
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sho52 said: Kahirama said: This episode was a huge improvement compared to the previous one. Still, the damage was done, it feels like just a summary of Muv Luv. How are anime-only feeling about the characters? On the main girls? If I try to see it from their perspective they feel really bland and with no personality. Still would like to hear opinion on this from someone else. And Sumika, they show us some glimpses of her, but it's not the same as knowing her from Extra. So yeah, improvement in regards of story, but the characters aren't fleshed out much. Still wouldn't recommend the anime for first experience. I gotta say, Muv-Luv was never a charage, rather, it uniquely focuses on the protagonist's inner journey, getting the reader to empathize extremely strongly with him. Despite Alternative being my favorite VN of all time (I dubbed it the only life-changing work of art I've ever come across), I only listed Takeru as my favorite character, but nobody else. I don't know how the other readers felt, but my impression was that the other girls in the squad besides Sumika and Meiya were rarely very important in the whole plot of Alternative, which has a dizzying cast of characters throughout its course anyways. But yeah, all Sumika-related scenes are so much more powerful due to the time we spent with her in Extra, this I agree. Takeru is definitely the best character in Muv Luv. But playing through Extra and Unlimited made me get to know the other girls and I actually got attached to them. Meiya and Sumika are definitely the most important, but the others also had their roles. And thanks to spending time to get to know their personalities, the most emotional parts (don't wanna spoil here) hit quite deep. Personally, I got attached to almost every character. But in the anime, the main girls don't even feel important. Just background characters. Yea, in Alternative they didn't have a very big role, but in Unlimited they were definitely the main characters, that's why Alternative didn't need to focus on them. But here, even Meiya feels like no one, and she still plays a big role in Alternative. Not to say Marimo. In Extra she was a nice and compassionate person, then when we went into Unlimited/Alternative we got to know a stricter side of her, but with her students on her mind. That change was great IMO and definitely fleshed her out. The anime so far focuses mainly on Takeru and Yuuko (what means they are focusing primarily on the story). Other characters really barely feel like characters. Either way, this adaptation is doomed, characters are only a part of the problem. I just can't imagine how can anyone care about the upcoming parts with no-one characters. |
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Lucifrost said: sho52 said: Yep. To be honest the VN version of Alternative itself spends its first half as buildup which sets up a lot of mysteries not mentioned in Unlimited (and of course not in Extra). Everyone told me that Extra and Unlimited are the buildup. I'm glad this anime is rushing the early episodes, because I definitely do not have the patience for any more buildup after the dozens of hours I spent getting through Unlimited. Fax001s said: Honestly, by playing Extra and Unlimited and then watching this anime you are basically ruining your experience in a weird way but that's just my opinion, i'm not trying to stop you from watching it. Yeah, I'd still say that Alternative manages to become gripping relatively fast. You can even fast-skip some early parts like the island training which was not much different from the version in Unlimited if you want to. You've finally trawled through dozens of hours of the worst part of the VN just to stop right before it gets to the actual point in Alternative, and instead are getting this super-abridged adaptation lol, which of course cannot reproduce the super detailed conversations and descriptions of inner thoughts that make Alternative truly different. But anyways, if this is what you've decided to do, hope they don't completely fuck it up with the 2 cours so that at least you'll want to check out the original once the anime is over. Though honestly I can't even imagine what it would feel like to e.g. read Steins;Gate only after watching the anime, which feels a massive downgrade compared with the original in every aspect yet still got such a high score for some reason. |
sho52Oct 30, 2021 1:53 AM
Fabienne said: I would suggest stop watching anime until you read the VN, some of the stuff will be much better for youHaha, this anime made me buy and purchase the VN. I'm still at Extra, but it is funny and charming. Without the Highschool romcom part, a big part is missing honestly, no wonder some viewers don't feel this show. it's more enjoyable if you know where the characters are coming from. for Muv Luv newcomers it's hardly recommendedable without any knowledge of the events in Extra. |
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sho52 said: Kahirama said: This episode was a huge improvement compared to the previous one. Still, the damage was done, it feels like just a summary of Muv Luv. How are anime-only feeling about the characters? On the main girls? If I try to see it from their perspective they feel really bland and with no personality. Still would like to hear opinion on this from someone else. And Sumika, they show us some glimpses of her, but it's not the same as knowing her from Extra. So yeah, improvement in regards of story, but the characters aren't fleshed out much. Still wouldn't recommend the anime for first experience. I gotta say, Muv-Luv was never a charage, rather, it uniquely focuses on the protagonist's inner journey, getting the reader to empathize extremely strongly with him. Despite Alternative being my favorite VN of all time (I dubbed it the only life-changing work of art I've ever come across), I only listed Takeru as my favorite character, but nobody else. I don't know how the other readers felt, but my impression was that the other girls in the squad besides Sumika and Meiya were rarely very important in the whole plot of Alternative, which has a dizzying cast of characters throughout its course anyways. But yeah, all Sumika-related scenes are so much more powerful due to the time we spent with her in Extra, this I agree. I enjoyed sumika, kasumi and teachers as well as Takeru |
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| the high lights of the episode were kasumi's signature bye-bye and the girls in bikini, the rest was an abomination. Kei's VA does a pretty good job |
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| Yeah I'm an anime only guy but this does feel like its being rushed. And video game controls are always better |
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