Eureka Seven AO Episode 6 Discussion

sspit said:
you probably like Darker than Black then

sspit said:

i think your theory makes sense but i at the same time is completely irrelevant, because the connection to the prequel as another world doesnt seem to be strong and at all important
this is more of a spin off then sequel and i hate the fact...

Dangerr said:

I, uh... I guess? Yes, the first season of DtB really had me gripped in that aspect, though S2 largely ruined it for me, as, well... anyone who's seen it knows why.

Please elaborate; I'd like to know how it makes sense but is at the same time is irrelevant (?). Also, the series has been stated as a sequel to the first, so I'm not really going to second-guess BONES on this one; you can go back and look at the numerous discussions / screen-caps we've had as to why many of us believe this way -- I'm getting tired of reiterating the argument.

Also, as I feel like I'm on of the only consistent posters / defenders of this show, I don't want to come off as a die-hard, wind-bag fanboy; objectively, I'd give this show an 8 so far, as there are plenty of consistent and noticeable flaws to be seen, but mostly contrivances that plague the industry today (moe elements, child-centric cast, some pacing issues, and under-used / side-stepped characters). Now, elements such as a child-centric cast and under-used characters can be remedied with time and / or simple progression of the story. For a generally serious show trying to tell a serious, relatively believable story, however, moe-syndrome never helps, and is just flippant pandering to its intended demographic. Is it effective? Yes. Is it creatively bankrupt, and further poisoning the industry as a whole? In my opinion, hell yes; I certainly find it distasteful being in the show, but won't let it change my outlook on it in any major way. Child-pilots, also, are a common trope to be seen in mecha anime, and haven't often been done very effectively. That is not to say, however, that such a story component can't be done well - we'll just have to wait and see where this one goes. I can also see why some people are complaining about the characterization thus far, but it's honestly too early to criticize this aspect one way or another, as the series is only 6 episodes in; it has to get in the major exposition and identity of conflict before we can be more familiarized with the characters themselves - for what has been shown thus far, however, I think has been done an adequate to good job.

There's other minor complaints I have of the series, but generally feel that it's underrated, and is often being discounted for reasons that are based upon faulty information / ignorance, misplaced expectations, or both. Viewing the show for what it is, cliches aside, I think shows great potential, and in general, has been living up to my lofty expectations week by week.

Dangerr said:

For the millionth time, this isn't the same Earth -- THIS Earth is the one that the migrant Coralians are likely flocking to. In this dimension, it is year 2025 Earth, and the one Eureka "fell" into (subsequently being pregnant with Ao). I hope this makes more sense to you.

Darkdrone said:
We are almost a quarter of the way through and we still have no attachment for any of the characters besides Ao.

Darkdrone said:
So far with the pacing and the characters as they are.......the show is bland. Check out Eureka 7 and see the characters. We had Eureka who was mysterious but nice. Holland who was a hot tempered, belligerent and reckless but cared for his crew. Talho who was loud, stuck up, caring and intelligent. Matthieu who was cool, bored, fun and goofy. Stoner who was a jokester, easy going, philosophical and interesting. Hap who was intelligent, calm minded and goofy. Hilda who was responsible and organized. Gidget who was a cute, air headed and nosey. Moondoggie who was childish, funny and cowardice.

Tyrel said:
The way you try and say it makes no sense. Eureka and Renton both fell together, and nirvash told them to live on this planet (They were hovering over the same Earth) at the time. They both fell together; however, in Eureka AO all we get is "Eureka Falling" from the sky..? I don't see how Eureka could of had a child inside her (When she was falling). Unless she somehow fell again into a different universe, after the previous universe, but thats unlikely in all honesty..

Dangerr said:

I disagree; I think the show's done a good job of letting the audience know the characters up to this point, given the rapid pace going on in the last few episodes - Ivica even remarked that Ao "Hasn't slept in days".


Yeah, but that's retrospection given the entire first series; did we as viewers have such a concise understanding of all these characters by episode six? We sure don't know most of the characters' backgrounds and aspirations in AO, but they do clearly exhibit their own distinct personalities, and in this aspect, doesn't come off to me as "cardboard", and feel that it's the most important trait they could have tackled given the time thus far.

Also, realize that it's a balancing act - I'll agree that E7 placed some greater emphasis on characterization in the beginning, while focusing more on the plot later in the series; AO is taking the opposite route, focusing more on plot at the beginning, at opportunity cost of in-depth characterization. Of course, any great story needs to be complimented by great characters, or it just doesn't work. To me, Ao has at least done its job making me care about the characters, for the most part, which is enough for me *up to this point*. To reiterate, I think what they have done for the characters thus far is fine, given these circumstances - I'm also certain that the main cast will get their time to develop.


That's assuming that Eureka fell into this world RIGHT at the end of E7, when that's clearly not what happened. She was pregnant with Ao when she was taken in by Toshio, and that leads me to assume that some amount of time had taken place on Original Earth before she found herself stuck here. I also won't believe that the father is anyone but Renton - I mean, come on; I don't think the series will go THAT far. Also, the fact that the Type I "Nirvash" seen in this series is the progenitor of all IFOs, and the fact that its existence seems to owe itself to Eureka, means either that it had "come through" to their world in relation to Eureka, or that she had somehow given Gen Bleu the complete basis for creating it, though I'm doubtful she possessed all of the technical knowledge required in the construction of an extremely advanced, bipedal fighting machine that's capable of aerial combat and transformation. Also - take into account the flight-suit she was wearing when she "falling".

I will concede, however, that there *is* a lot unanswered thus far, and I'm not completely concrete on this, but I really can't see anything else making sense.

WAHa_06x36 said:
They sure introduced Kaworu much more quickly in this one.

Orion1 said:
My first thoughts when I saw Truth shit into a women

Darkdrone said:
Anyone notice how Eureka Seven Ao is getting a lower score each passing day. It went from like a 8.11 to now 8.04. Surprised.

Nasty001 said:
Is it just me or does that shapeshifter plans to either steal the Mark 1 or is it another party who gonna fight the secrets?

Riftguardian said:
Is it me or is there a seventh swell in this episode when Truth notices the nirvash appearing.

sspit said:

i have been checking up on that number for some time now, nothing unexpected really if you ocnsider the facts

- first episode doesnt give you any hints other than the artstyle and some first impressions, so people (me included) were enjoying their little joy that there is another Eureka anime - looks the same (no, most probably better), feels the same, gives off the same vibe
i too, would have rated this higher in the beginning (thats why i only rate finished shows)
- with more episodes being aired, the picture is clearer and so the score goes down
- people will have to accept this is not the same eureka and most probably not the eureka we wanted to see, but it might be a good eureka

i dont think initial 8.11 is that high given its the peak either, of course it may redeem itself, we will see, rating doesnt matter anyway


i wrote before, that i want more organic mechs like in the prequel, but at the same time, i have to say the new designs also look nice and more realistic (they dont transform into weird mech-cars, instead are cool jet planes (really reminds me gundam, in a good way though), the mech side seems more techy to me, more militaristic and more practical

i still want the skateboards, did you notice that Truth's robot also use the board to fly? except for those two (the other one being Nirvash) i dont remember any other robot using board, but the 'green effect' was used on other flying tech too, like cars etc
i find this puzzling, there is technology, but they dont use it in military
i hope they 'discover it' and implement the boards to everyone, i liked the rocked motors in prequel too and i like that here too (looks very military-like), but the boards should be the primary thing - it was the most appealing idea of the Eureka 7


my bet is that he is some screwed up coralian, i expect him to be cool acting as a villain, speak philosophical nonsense and wtf crap (but hell be cool doing it and i want this to happen) and then Ao or someone shows him the right path (coexistence) and he will transform into big hearth on the moon or something
the endo

i think he will be above-average intelligent (evil is intelligence) and very knowing about things, also morally 'right' and not really a villain


btw i totally want this anime to bring some quantum mechanics + information theories into this, like in the prequel - was confusing but great



i liked the style in the prequel, its sad they abandoned the halo effects, it looks too scientific or like magic circle and not like a rainbow in form of a nuke

i dont remember what seventh swell was all about, but yeah i too think it is the same thing
this happened in other episodes too (always when those corals appeared)


i also want to point out how they no longer give enough emphasis on the 'nature' - in the prequel there were clouds everywhere, and they were always part of the eureka universe, they used the clouds to strenghten the feel they are flying freely in the sky, now the clouds are like simple backgrounds or something
id like to see that weird big spherical cloud - what was it called again?

Darkdrone said:

I also really liked how they would take breaks and catch the waves in the skies. The green trapar waves was the keynote of the series and was instantly recognized for it. I don't know this show feels way to military and following the rules. I really liked the concept of the Gekko being a rouge ship doing its own thing.

Also, I agree the Seventh Swell in Eureka Seven>>Eureka Seven Ao. The problem with Ao is it looks like a final fantasy magic circle and way to big. Eureka Seven was protrayed more natural and a beautiful seventh swell effect. Same with the LFO's, they look to mechanical in Ao but looked magestic in Seven.

Sigh this show is going down hill and I hope it picks up. I really want it to do well and be a true sequel to the show.

Dangerr said:

Well, these differences are intentional, and is following military organizations that are very similar to the ones we have today. Funny thing is, however, Generation Bleu seems to be a maverick entity of a sort, holding most of the secrets the international coalition seems to be dying to get their hands on. This difference, however, doesn't seem like a detractor to me; just different.