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Nov 17, 2020 7:28 AM
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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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More hiding for Headkeeper's mercenaries from the Imperial Empire and the Diet, and the more covert their operations become. They CANNOT afford to fail.

Innumael still flailing around in town, and Leocardio working covertly as well, but the cowardice side of the former giving away his location, but managed to stay out of track aganst the latter and his soldier colleagues.

Elfriede's evidence from her spy duties, and now confirmed by Arnolt and Benjamin. Though saved, but the effect is pretty much damaged by the scheme that all along was human experiementation with light: luminosis. And the person behind it: the "professor" Faust (to which the question is: Is he siding with the Imperial Army or the Diet?)

Only the start of the terror? YES. But where does this plot go...again another "wait and see".

Story's getting somewhere, so at least that's a plus giving to the suspense. Please have a good plan, Naoto Hosoda.
KANLen09Nov 17, 2020 8:46 AM
Nov 17, 2020 7:50 AM
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Anybody see that animation error when Arnold took his hat off?
Nov 17, 2020 7:51 AM
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Welp shit. Everything is going to hell for now. In for more of a bumpy ride.
Nov 17, 2020 8:46 AM
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HexusTG said:
Anybody see that animation error when Arnold took his hat off?
It was very slight around 15:30.
Nov 17, 2020 8:59 AM
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Me during the halfway stage: Fuck fuck fuck fuck.....get out of there my Magatsu bros, you don't deserve to die yet.

Damn, I have never felt so much anxiety in that whole sequence where they found Elfriede and it was revealed that they pretty much fallen into a trap and all the monster started knocking about. The fact that we heard Elfriede speak a little actually gave me some damn hope before she pretty much was already gone. Man....she didn't last long ahhh damn it.

Y'know, I am actually getting pretty damn attached to these characters, I really wanted Inumael, Benjamin, Elf and everyone to survive so much, I was biting my nails from the midpoint to the end. There's this looming feeling of dread I felt quite a bit this episode which I really hate and love at the same time.

Also underrated part of this show? How great and unique all the characters are. I think a lot of the characters are pretty unique and our new blonde girl was so awesome, why is she so cute but serious at the same time. Made me forget that we had zero Schaake this episode. And the banter between Ben and Arnolt was really cool too, made me laugh a little. This show had some underrated funny moments, the driver helping out Inu twice was pretty funny.

Story-wise, it's pretty clear that there is a clear divide between the Empire and what Mary Bult is trying to do, no way they would release monsters to attack their own soldiers, so there's clearly some sort of rift/faction coming around here. Also, it's probably Faust that released the monsters right?

Y'know, the quality wasn't too bad tbh, I mean I'm used to it (Cop Craft), a good story and characters can carry a show very far, sound design and OST is still top notch, as long as they don't completely shit the bed, very clear AOTS for me.
Nov 17, 2020 10:11 AM
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This ep. Holy crap. Hope they're survive
Definitely there's traitor among them
Nov 17, 2020 10:12 AM
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I have to imagine that scientist who released the mutants, let's call him Niles Samson, has gone rogue, or is just insane. I can't imagine the Diet would want to release uncontrolable mutants in their capital city. All this does is tie up the military, that the Diet controls, and makes it easier for Headkeeper to escape, or get more information in the confusion.

KANLen09 said:
(to which the question is: Is he siding with the Imperial Army or the Diet?)



from everything I've seen so far, it seems that the Imperial Army is loyal to the Diet.
The army is enforcing the laws that the Diet seems to have come up with in opposition of the Emperor.
HOOfan_1Nov 17, 2020 10:17 AM
Nov 17, 2020 11:12 AM
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Turning into a “monster” scene was great.
Nov 17, 2020 11:54 AM
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The story and world seems to be quite interesting, but my god the slow characters make it hard to watch.
Just a hint, if your characters repeat previously said sentences they might not be good characters...

The animation is budget, but what really makes it hard to watch are how stupid the characters are.
Nov 17, 2020 12:46 PM
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Animation is acceptable. Small new studio, low budget, Naoto Hosoda compressed 3 jobs in one hand (director, series composition, script), story mostly original (prequel of the game), just some character are from the game most character are original too. Plan & production only took 2 years from 2018. It's not Akudama with big studio, big budget, 7 years production, Great pretender with 4 years production from reputable studio. MWZ's story & plot is more interesting than other. Innumael character is unique ( its because i already got spoiled & saw some info of him).


Just want to share, found this on Twitter, full OP & ED (plus instrumen):
https://hikarinoakari.com/h-el-ical-disclose-single-magatsu-wahrheit-zuerst-ed/

https://hikarinoakari.com/magatsu-wahrheit-zuerst-op-kimi-wo-sukueru-nara-boku-wa-nani-ni-demo-naru/
Nov 17, 2020 2:19 PM
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This episode was exciting! Got the thrill from the new made zombies 🤯
Nov 17, 2020 4:40 PM
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Animation schedule was not the best for this chapter. Random soldier being killed by monster scene was more like a three-frame tomato crush, but at least impact frames and best scenes were quite decent, even if sometimes lacking more movement. Anyways, story and pacing in the first mid-chapter was awesome, and the second half depends on how this monster thing is handled in following chapters, but I'm kinda reluctant about it. Also, how did Arnolt and the other survive with that much monsters around?
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Nov 17, 2020 4:46 PM
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savtruff said:
Animation is acceptable. Small new studio, low budget, Naoto Hosoda compressed 3 jobs in one hand (director, series composition, script), story mostly original (prequel of the game), just some character are from the game most character are original too. Plan & production only took 2 years from 2018. It's not Akudama with big studio, big budget, 7 years production, Great pretender with 4 years production from reputable studio. MWZ's story & plot is more interesting than other. Innumael character is unique ( its because i already got spoiled & saw some info of him).


Just want to share, found this on Twitter, full OP & ED (plus instrumen):
https://hikarinoakari.com/h-el-ical-disclose-single-magatsu-wahrheit-zuerst-ed/

https://hikarinoakari.com/magatsu-wahrheit-zuerst-op-kimi-wo-sukueru-nara-boku-wa-nani-ni-demo-naru/


Well, for sure. Yokohama Animation Lab is a brand new studio that has been doing nice works such as Lapis Re:Lights and Miru Thighs, both gorgeous but not really demanding. MWZ has some excellent key animators, but sure budget and production time is a thing, especially consider that this anime comes from a freaking mobile game, and the anime really demands. Anyways, even if it's comprehensible, mediocre animation is a factor that infuences enjoyment overall, and even if I guess this can be fixed in future episodes, specially the last 3 weeks, it's still quite underwhelming sometimes. But don't get me wrong, the anime is very solid, and even animation is really outstanding in some scenes.
Akkarin! Hai!
Nov 17, 2020 5:11 PM
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The situations of HK at the capitol, after Inu reached its hideout looks so rumbling. They wanted to do an escort mission, for the sake of gathering the intel information from the intel they wanted to rescue. However, they had Inu on them, so ofc everything was not going very well for them. But, its quite nice to see Inumael always had a good friends on his surrounding when he need it . Either its his friend at those delivery company, and Irma that quite attached to him, accompanying him the whole episode duration. Hah! How lucky you were, Inu!

Well, back to the main story. It seemed that the situations in the capitol was completely chaotic. And those man in the white coat acted like its just a rehearsals for him? Crazy shit! Who was him? Its looks like he might be related to the Empire Diet, but the detail still unknown within them. And where the fuck he was after that chaos? Still no information. But oh well, Elfriede, such a sad revelations. She became a monster experimentation after getting caught off in the previous operation. I wonder if she still can be saved? Lol, the chance was low, but i am still hoping. I still don't know how Arnolt could survive from those monsters horde previously. Because the scene just skipping for the sake of a useless Inu escaping scene. Lol. But oh well, lets continued the progression, how they handle with those Elfriede that turned out into a monster. And how they handle with the man in the white coat. Also, the battle in the capitol was not just an empire army against HK that got caught off in the middle of an escort mission. But its also included the desire of a petty man who was not clear what his real purpose for making such a crazy experiments with the lights.

Oh well, lets continued again! For the sake of a better quality of information!
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Nov 17, 2020 5:40 PM

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I love this high tension!
I wonder, is this is the beginning of the end for their world?
Nov 17, 2020 7:50 PM

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Jesus Christ, everything is going to hell now. We are probably approaching that world we saw in the very beginning where everything is destroyed.

Fuck, RIP Elfriede hopefully there is a cure but, there most probably is not. At least Arnolt and Benjamin are still alive.

I also really liked Irma, hopefully she survives all of this. Really looking forward to the next episode.
Nov 17, 2020 9:07 PM
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Too bad for Elfriede ...perhaps she still has some of her humanity (like that one previous episode where the older sister with the ring was trying to "communicate" with the others before Innumael stabbed her to death).

I like Irma. She's cute and has a perfect upbeat personality to go with it. Schaake is still the best grill though.

So glad I gave this series a chance and kept watching. Honestly, I was hesitant because of the low rating but now I know next time to watch a series and find out for myself (if it's good or not) instead of simply looking at the ratings.
Nov 18, 2020 1:04 AM

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Is Immanuel getting a Harem, lol? :D Other girl seems nice for him as well. Then she started to joke about being noble. (When Schaake really was nobility.) :D

Nice episode and good progress. The thing with Elfriede was to be expected.

Didn't think they'd just let all the monsters attack the city though. (But maybe it was an accident and the scientist wanted to control them to only attack the intruders and they went out of control.)

The military "knowing" about the 2 possible attack locations ... might have been a reason to get a lot of soldiers ready ... to have a lot of them for actually experiments going out of control. (And not for a few Headkeeper guys.)
Nov 18, 2020 2:38 AM

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Luthandorius said:
Is Immanuel getting a Harem, lol? :D Other girl seems nice for him as well. Then she started to joke about being noble. (When Schaake really was nobility.) :D

Nice episode and good progress. The thing with Elfriede was to be expected.

Didn't think they'd just let all the monsters attack the city though. (But maybe it was an accident and the scientist wanted to control them to only attack the intruders and they went out of control.)

The military "knowing" about the 2 possible attack locations ... might have been a reason to get a lot of soldiers ready ... to have a lot of them for actually experiments going out of control. (And not for a few Headkeeper guys.)

The chief scientist that led Arnolt and Benjamin into the lab to Elfriede looks very shady to me so I wouldn't be surprised if him activating all the rampaging monsters wasn't an accident at all,
Nov 18, 2020 4:30 AM

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Maybe they are actually going to blame it on Headkeeper - while the military presents themselves as the saviours. To get more support for the empire while putting pressure on Headkeeper and making the population hate them.
Nov 18, 2020 7:39 AM

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Damn that episode really set the bar high to me. The tension is running high as the Headkeeper tries to rescue one of their (hot) spy that got abducted. First of all, Irma doesn't need that high-pitch voice, it feels wrong to me. Anyways, Leo almost caught Innumael stalking on them, as he found out that the Headkeepers are already spotted and is on its way to capturing them.

The two finally met up with the female spy as she is bare naked and is being experimented on along with other girls in the lab. But before they escaped, the scientist went nuts and unleashed the monsters that they created. And the capital city went into hell! It's been a really really slow road to get here but MWZ is having some thrills in these past couple of weeks, I'm hoping for a solid arc.
Nov 19, 2020 3:03 PM

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Well we now know what has become of spy girl....so, making monsters , is that part of the empire's plan, to not only eradicated them peasants but their own forces as well????
Nov 21, 2020 10:37 PM

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Arnolt said they are Luminosis patients inside those capsules but Elfriede doesn't have luminosis, why is the Empire doing these experiments? It makes me wonder if there's a way to turn those monsters back to normal...

Damn...Helman is on his way, I hope Inumael stays safe.

This Irma is kinda annoying.

I'm guessing the ending would be like Leo will come to know about the Empire's secrets and might decide not to take revenge against Inumael...
Nov 23, 2020 10:51 PM

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oh no they're cultivating monstars!
our MC is such a cowardy wimp i guess we need something to make the MC man-up like something bad would happen to his imouto? hmmmm...
4/5.


Mar 9, 2021 3:52 AM

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Kinda bad that the animation is of poor quality but damn does the story take a chaotic turn. I wonder what the goal behind releasing the monsters in the middle of the capital is considering those monsters will not only attack the Headkeepers but also their own people.

Jun 11, 2021 9:17 AM

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How come these 2 rebels are still alive after encountering the monsters from secret lab (hospital)?

Meh...

If you are aiming for a dark, bloody, "real-life" show there is no logic in making "good guys" literally invincible.


P.S. In a world of surveillance cameras, guns, hand granades, bazookas and stuff like that (and aditionally - magic) why the hell does army people still fighting against monsters with ordinary swords?
Jul 17, 2021 1:25 PM
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savtruff said:
Animation is acceptable. Small new studio, low budget, Naoto Hosoda compressed 3 jobs in one hand (director, series composition, script), story mostly original (prequel of the game), just some character are from the game most character are original too. Plan & production only took 2 years from 2018. It's not Akudama with big studio, big budget, 7 years production, Great pretender with 4 years production from reputable studio. MWZ's story & plot is more interesting than other. Innumael character is unique ( its because i already got spoiled & saw some info of him).


Just want to share, found this on Twitter, full OP & ED (plus instrumen):
https://hikarinoakari.com/h-el-ical-disclose-single-magatsu-wahrheit-zuerst-ed/

https://hikarinoakari.com/magatsu-wahrheit-zuerst-op-kimi-wo-sukueru-nara-boku-wa-nani-ni-demo-naru/



most of the animation is outsourced with a tight schedule so it isn't really a low budget i'd say.
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savtruff said:
Animation is acceptable. Small new studio, low budget, Naoto Hosoda compressed 3 jobs in one hand (director, series composition, script), story mostly original (prequel of the game), just some character are from the game most character are original too. Plan & production only took 2 years from 2018. It's not Akudama with big studio, big budget, 7 years production, Great pretender with 4 years production from reputable studio. MWZ's story & plot is more interesting than other. Innumael character is unique ( its because i already got spoiled & saw some info of him).


Just want to share, found this on Twitter, full OP & ED (plus instrumen):
https://hikarinoakari.com/h-el-ical-disclose-single-magatsu-wahrheit-zuerst-ed/

https://hikarinoakari.com/magatsu-wahrheit-zuerst-op-kimi-wo-sukueru-nara-boku-wa-nani-ni-demo-naru/


akudama drive wasn't good. if people liked the animation then ok? whatever floats their boat. but good animation ≠ good show

great pretender was never as good as its first arc. abigail jones though, omg

so far i think wahreit is improving as it goes along. it's about as good as GP and better than AD

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