Re:ZERO -Starting Life in Another World- (light novel)
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Jul 29, 2020 1:32 PM
#201
MH93 said: Very emotional episode with a lot of feelings. Tbh, it is so sad! and the fact that: I hope I'm wrong but that's what I've concluded. Thanks, i was thinking exactly the same! It would fix the lack of logic of Subaru acts until now, but still, Subaru first should know that it happened. Now take care with the Novel readers that will spoiler nuking about this, either to confirm your theory, either to deny. I preffer to be surprised by the story, if possible. |
Rob7Jul 29, 2020 1:43 PM
Jul 29, 2020 1:35 PM
#202
taynis said: Subaru being all like Jokes aside, really interesting episode and I like the character expostion we had here. His room is full of anime girls with white hair huh HAHAHAH (or Kkkkk) even in trying to be a rebel Subaru was a loser. btw, the anime adaptation has excluded (from his light novel's room) a doll with blue hair. I wonder why... |
Rob7Jul 29, 2020 1:41 PM
Jul 29, 2020 1:36 PM
#203
First episode in a while to make me almost cry, and from Re Zero of all things! Certainly wasn't expecting that. That was a wonderful episode, didn't feel even a little bit bored. 10/10, Subaru was grown on me quite a bit. Also, Echidna is definitely best girl. Hope we see more of her next episode |
Jul 29, 2020 1:38 PM
#204
Yo I think its been like 2 years since a show has made my cry. This was so good once it got to the Subaru's mom that was the knockout punch. |
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Jul 29, 2020 1:38 PM
#205
Rob7 said: taynis said: Subaru being all like Jokes aside, really interesting episode and I like the character expostion we had here. His room is full of anime girls with white hair huh HAHAHAH even in being a rebel Subaru was a loser. btw, the anime adaptation excluded (from his light novel's room) a doll with Blue hair. I Wonder why... huh, dint realize there was that sort of detail there too. Think the dolls might have been a light novel only thing and not a web novel one but its a good way to link Subaru with both Rem and Emilia considering they ve mentioned he feels that way for them both. |
Jul 29, 2020 1:39 PM
#206
AbsurdTurk said: What is unique about Re: Zero's storytelling? It's very linear; events happen chronologically. I don't want to get into spoilers so I won't comment on this much. But all the stuff happening now is actually the consequence and aftermath of some stuff that happened in past (about sealing Satella the "Witch of Envy ", Sage, and few other past stuff etc). You'll understand after a few things get revealed in this season. But...this whole episode was an info dump. I was just speaking in the context of mysteries and lore/world-building related details. I can't recall any exact examples, but I know I've seen this magical, "confront your past" thing done in other stories. Yeah, but I was saying that this is better than some randomly thrown flashback. And its rare in isekai show to get such characterization for the MC. This way of storytelling has led to a lot of criticism of Re: Zero. Agreed. It's a subjective take of course, and many people don't like it. The anime never showed Subaru missing his parents. The light novels did. I feel like you're projecting what the light novel did, onto the anime, which the anime never did. Yep, I'm speaking largely in the context of the novel. As I said above, Overall, the anime was a somewhat more harsh on Subaru's character, because they tried to be more strict on the "criticism" aspect of the show. So they tried harder to make him behave like "I'm the MC now, Haha" and punish him severely, compared to the novel which does the same, but Subaru is more relatable and likable, Again, lot of people hate him due to this reason, but still a subjective take. |
Jul 29, 2020 1:42 PM
#207
It was the best episode yet, really emotional. The talk between Subaru and his parents, especially his mother, was touching. Though some of the dialogue, as usual, feels corny to me. I can understand Subaru a bit better now, even if I still do not like him much. But I found it weird that even having such supportive and loving parents, he never thinks of them and misses them after having been transported to a different world. |
I want to know what it is, this 'sin' they say I've committed. |
Jul 29, 2020 1:42 PM
#208
AbsurdTurk said: You quoted the wrong person. I did not say any of the things that were quoted above. Lmao my bad bro made a mistake while erasing quotes rakp333 said: Re:Zero's underlying themes are to criticise the wish-fulfilment & escapist tropes of generic fantasy/isekai settings. So the anime tried harder to make Subaru unlikable and show the adverse affects of behaving like "I'm the MC of this world now, I can get chicks, and get away by doing anything" by severely punishing him for mistakes. The novels do the similar, but Subaru is somewhat more relatable there due to his inner monologues and the author's narration of the incident. And well, if you see his room is literally filled with sliver-hair figurines and posters, which pretty much implies that Emilia happened to be someone who fit well into his ideal image for a heroine when he got isekai-d. So he gets obsesses over her, starts idealizing her, objectifying her, and treating her as a "waifu"(the way a lot of weebs actually do), instead of seeing her as an actual person, by not being considerate of her feelings. His character Arc in 2nd half of the Season 1 was pretty much him realizing his own flaws, and later apologising to Emilia (ep25 confession), and loving her as a normal girl (and not like an objectified "waifu"). Overall, the anime was a somewhat more harsh on Subaru's character, because they tried to be more strict on the "criticism" aspect of the show. Well putting it that way makes more sense than I thought xD thanks for your input |
This anime shit is addictive |
Jul 29, 2020 1:50 PM
#209
Now THAT is what I call a good episode. Definitely my favorite Re:Zero episode to date, was just an amazing experience, getting to see Subaru's life in the real world and seeing the way he was when he was younger. Easy 5/5 episode. |
Jul 29, 2020 1:50 PM
#210
This was something else, something we haven't seen before in Re:Zero. I was great to see Subaru confronting his past. Great to see his parents and the interactions between them! But damn what a heavy episode. After talking to his parents, Subaru shows a lot of regret for his actions in the past and it was nice to see him actually going to school again, making up for neglecting it in the past ,which made him run into Echidna again! All very interesting, can't wait for the next episode! The flashbacks were also quite powerful! |
Jul 29, 2020 1:51 PM
#212
Mayo-13 said: But I found it weird that even having such supportive and loving parents, he never thinks of them and misses them after having been transported to a different world. He thinks a lot about them. Anime doesn't have a narrator so his inner monologues are not voiced. Moreover, he usually tries to act strong (because of his prideful nature and him trying to imitate his father) so he doesn't directly show his thought process and deeper emotions. In the Novels its lot more obvious and clear than the anime due to his inner monologues. Is this a big mistake by the anime then? Maybe, or maybe not. Re:Zero's underlying themes are to criticise the wish-fulfilment & escapist tropes of generic fantasy/isekai settings. So the anime tried harder to make Subaru unlikable and show the adverse affects of behaving like "I'm the MC of this world now, I can get chicks, and get away by doing anything" by severely punishing him for mistakes. The novels do the similar, but Subaru is somewhat more relatable there due to his inner monologues and the author's narration of the incident. And well, if you see his room is literally filled with sliver-hair figurines and posters, which pretty much implies that Emilia happened to be someone who fit well into his ideal image for a heroine when he got isekai-d. So he gets obsesses over her, starts idealizing her, objectifying her, and treating her as a "waifu"(the way a lot of weebs actually do), instead of seeing her as an actual person, by not being considerate of her feelings. His character Arc in 2nd half of the Season 1 was pretty much him realizing his own flaws, and later apologising to Emilia (ep25 confession), and loving her as a normal girl (and not like an objectified "waifu"). Overall, the anime was a somewhat more harsh on Subaru's character, because they tried to be more strict on the "criticism" aspect of the show. (sorry, I copied my comments from another answer of mine, so some of what I said above might be irrelevant to your query) |
rakp333Jul 29, 2020 1:55 PM
Jul 29, 2020 1:51 PM
#213
Well, I was about to come here and say I hope this was a bit of Subaru powering up without any spectical of mountains or cities being demolished in a wild style power up. But right at the end I was robbed of what I was going to say by the witch. Damn her! |
To have you, Id give a billion lives A-Chan best girl |
Jul 29, 2020 1:51 PM
#214
This episode was amazing, we can finally see what's in Subaru's mind and understand him a bit more. Subaru is a better character that the people think and this episode helped him a lot. 5/5 no doubt. |
Jul 29, 2020 1:51 PM
#215
I really liked this episode. We finally know more about Subaru's past. It was also sad T.T Hype for next episode 5/5 for this epiaode |
Jul 29, 2020 1:56 PM
#216
North25 said: AbsurdTurk said: spectrojan said: AbsurdTurk said: He thinks a lot about them. Anime doesn't have a narrator so his inner monologues are not voiced. Moreover, he usually tries to act strong (because of his prideful nature and him trying to imitate his father) so he doesn't directly show his "homesickness". In the Novels its lot more obvious and clear than the anime due to his inner monologues. So I guess it's the fault of the adaption but seriously why did they decide not to show said inner monologues in the anime? He's just thrown into a new world, and decides not to think about his life in the previous world or loved ones because this white haired chick saved me and now I'm in love. Don't get me wrong, I like the show xP I guess I'd have liked LN subaru more than anime subaru, but only in the beginning of the show. Now I just feel bad for all that he's been going through lmao You quoted the wrong person. I did not say any of the things that were quoted above. North25 said: Its sort of a thing with the author where he likes to introduce a character s personality and mindset before laying out their backstory, give the whole ´´ahah´´ moment as to why they acted in a certain way at one point in the story, The author could've done both in the same episode: in Naruto, in the opening scene, were see Naruto act like a troubling brat. Then later on in the episode, we get his backstory that shows why he behaves that way. North25 said: while knowing this would make you understand him better during season 1 it would also make you attempt to excuse his behaviour in the royal selection scene which the author did not want the viewer to give Subaru a pass for (one of the lines specifically calling out Julius s title of knight as something passed up by his daddy or something like that where he was projecting his own issues.) while lots of people excuse Subaru s behaviour currently due to either liking the fact he was flawed in season 1 or already knowing ahead why he acted that way its easy for the latter case to forget that the author never intended to have you support or sympathise with the guy at that point as he made his slow recovery from it into ´´Hero mode´´ in season 1. Subaru was already a hero; he was already saving peoples' lives before that scene. I don't think people would excuse his behavior, but they would understand why he behaved that way in that scene. It's common in anime: for example, Naruto's outlandish behavior in the beginning episodes, no one excused it; but we understood why he behaved that way. while that s true its a common pattern with the author that he doesnt really like to excuse past mistakes, as for him being a hero its true he was indeed helping around from early on, i just meant him getting back his groove again during season 1 s second half considering he started spirraling down into eventually trying to take the easy way out again and run off with Rem leaving everyone to die (even if it was a more hopeless situation than anxiety and others expectations driving him away from school) You can understand him now and it makes a season 1 rewatch alot more entertaining with the context this brings,it would be fine to explain it there but it would also bring out a different reaction than the one that he wanted to give to Subaru as he grew into a better person and now with context got over a few of his past issues. What kind of different reactions? If the 1st ep of Re: Zero season 1 explored Subaru's backstory; and not by having the character just stand around monologueing it like in this episode, but actually showing it; then it would've made people like him more. I mean...it's kind of basic storytelling 101: give the MC a backstory to justify their behavior early on. In Evangelion, what made Shinji such a great character, was that early on we understood why he behaved the way he did: his mom died, his father abandoned him, so as a result, he grew up shy, meek, insecure about the idea of being abandoned. Imagine if this critical info was only revealed until near the end of Evangelion; people would hate Shinji more than they already do. rakp333 said: Re:Zero's underlying themes are to criticise the wish-fulfilment & escapist tropes of generic fantasy/isekai settings. But...Re: Zero at the same time is a wish-fullfillment escapist fantasy isekai anime: it's about a really attractive, fit dude, who gets transported into a fantasy world, allowing him to escape the responsibilities of the real world. In this fantasy world, he gets surrounded by cute girls, one whom even simps for him (Rem), where he becomes a hero who saves people using his broken power that was given to him without him earning it (Return by Death). |
removed-userJul 29, 2020 1:59 PM
Jul 29, 2020 1:59 PM
#217
Rob7 said: Thanks, i was thinking exactly the same! It would fix the lack of logic of Subaru acts until now, but still, Subaru first should know that it happened. Now take care with the Novel readers that will spoiler nuking about this, either to confirm your theory, either to deny. I preffer to be surprised by the story, if possible. When I watched Re:zero for the first time, I said "wait, is that the usual way to transfer to another world? it's different than usual ways for other isekai's animes". But after seeing this scene I was partially sure about what really happened to subaru that night, and as you mentioned, I expected someone (novel reader) will tell us about the truth and I hope he will do with a spoiler alert. Actually, I don't want to know the truth, tbh. I wanna complete with this mystery. |
MH93Jul 29, 2020 2:04 PM
Jul 29, 2020 2:03 PM
#218
AbsurdTurk said: But...Re: Zero at the same time is a wish-fullfillment escapist fantasy isekai anime: it's about a really attractive, fit dude, who gets transported into a fantasy world, allowing him to escape the responsibilities of the real world. In this fantasy world, he gets surrounded by cute girls, one whom even simps for him (Rem), where he becomes a hero who saves people using his broken power that was given to him without him earning it (Return by Death). Except that he has to work really hard for even the smallest of things. In the end, he might succeed, but its more or less trying to make lazy otaku (like Subaru) work hard and face life. |
Jul 29, 2020 2:05 PM
#219
AbsurdTurk said: North25 said: AbsurdTurk said: spectrojan said: AbsurdTurk said: He thinks a lot about them. Anime doesn't have a narrator so his inner monologues are not voiced. Moreover, he usually tries to act strong (because of his prideful nature and him trying to imitate his father) so he doesn't directly show his "homesickness". In the Novels its lot more obvious and clear than the anime due to his inner monologues. So I guess it's the fault of the adaption but seriously why did they decide not to show said inner monologues in the anime? He's just thrown into a new world, and decides not to think about his life in the previous world or loved ones because this white haired chick saved me and now I'm in love. Don't get me wrong, I like the show xP I guess I'd have liked LN subaru more than anime subaru, but only in the beginning of the show. Now I just feel bad for all that he's been going through lmao You quoted the wrong person. I did not say any of the things that were quoted above. North25 said: Its sort of a thing with the author where he likes to introduce a character s personality and mindset before laying out their backstory, give the whole ´´ahah´´ moment as to why they acted in a certain way at one point in the story, The author could've done both in the same episode: in Naruto, in the opening scene, were see Naruto act like a troubling brat. Then later on in the episode, we get his backstory that shows why he behaves that way. North25 said: while knowing this would make you understand him better during season 1 it would also make you attempt to excuse his behaviour in the royal selection scene which the author did not want the viewer to give Subaru a pass for (one of the lines specifically calling out Julius s title of knight as something passed up by his daddy or something like that where he was projecting his own issues.) while lots of people excuse Subaru s behaviour currently due to either liking the fact he was flawed in season 1 or already knowing ahead why he acted that way its easy for the latter case to forget that the author never intended to have you support or sympathise with the guy at that point as he made his slow recovery from it into ´´Hero mode´´ in season 1. Subaru was already a hero; he was already saving peoples' lives before that scene. I don't think people would excuse his behavior, but they would understand why he behaved that way in that scene. It's common in anime: for example, Naruto's outlandish behavior in the beginning episodes, no one excused it; but we understood why he behaved that way. while that s true its a common pattern with the author that he doesnt really like to excuse past mistakes, as for him being a hero its true he was indeed helping around from early on, i just meant him getting back his groove again during season 1 s second half considering he started spirraling down into eventually trying to take the easy way out again and run off with Rem leaving everyone to die (even if it was a more hopeless situation than anxiety and others expectations driving him away from school) You can understand him now and it makes a season 1 rewatch alot more entertaining with the context this brings,it would be fine to explain it there but it would also bring out a different reaction than the one that he wanted to give to Subaru as he grew into a better person and now with context got over a few of his past issues. What kind of different reactions? If the 1st ep of Re: Zero season 1 explored Subaru's backstory; and not by having the character just stand around monologueing it like in this episode, but actually showing it; then it would've made people like him more. I mean...it's kind of basic storytelling 101: give the MC a backstory to justify their behavior early on. In Evangelion, what made Shinji such a great character, was that early on we understood why he behaved the way he did: his mom died, his father abandoned him, so as a result, he grew up shy, meek, insecure about the idea of being abandoned. Imagine if this critical info was only revealed until near the end of Evangelion; people would hate Shinji more than they already do. I think that s more of a style decision than something that inherently derails the show entirely. Subaru s not really supposed to be perfectly likeable at that point in season 1 the point being to have people be angry at how he acted during the 2nd half so we re just supposed to see him as a cringy yet decent dude before the royal selection hits up (or be sort of amused by his antics before it,depends on the person.) Re Zero s still tecnically at the start of its run as a series so while it could be a flaw in season 1 it can also be a good thing in the long run so saying Subaru s stuff is only revealed at the end isnt that valid. |
Jul 29, 2020 2:11 PM
#220
i really fucking hated this episode at first but thank god it improved in the second half because i was starting to reconsider if i wanted to keep watching. the first half of the episode is the writers trying to force down your throat that this is such a beautiful and perfect family with the father constantly verbalizing outloud how close he is to subaru, as if showing the two actually bonding would've been too much. it's not to say the show never attempted this, as the beginning of the episode shows the two bonding or whatever, but it never really was enough for me to feel invested in their relationship. i wanted to break subaru's neck when i heard him talk about how weak and pathetic he is, but after he started going into actual detail about his inferiority complex, the episode improved. everything got exponentially better right after that; the scene with subaru and his mom was very well excuted and made me emotional. it was so nice seeing subaru actually work towards being a decent human of society, and the conversation itself actually did try and show a bond between the two characters. the way his mom casually brought up fond memories--without feeling stiff and mechanical like the father's dialogue--and the way she played with his hair while comforting him was an ingenious way of developing a strong dynamic between the two. even the twist at the end caught me by surprise. not to mention, the ED is fucking incredible. so, in the end, the second half of this episode really neutralized the shitty first half. i still think subaru and his father's dynamic has a weak foundation and barely does anything to make me care for the two, but i'm sure there will be a chance later on in the series for it to strengthen. decent 7/10 episode |
Jul 29, 2020 2:14 PM
#221
MenchiK1 said: Not sure how I feel about this episode, it seemed like the point of it was to redeem Subaru. All this time I thought he was just your average loser NEET but now, no he had great supportive parents who let him be a NEET...uhm. Huh? I didn't really feel emotionally involved with the parents either, because that wasn't real right? That's just how Subaru imagined his parents not his actual parents right? I thought he was kind of an outcast because of his Sanpakugan (like most anime MC's with that trait) but this made it into him being cool like his dad but just something that prevented him from being as cool as him but OK because he got it from his mom (do women with Sanpakugan not face the same prejudices?). Ehh seems pretty contrived to me. Well at least Echidna was there at the end, still waiting for her to be evil. sadly you didn't get it. you should watch the episode again and pay atention. He was losing motivation to do anything because "what's the point?". He was a prodigy as a kid and people was praising him for being like his father. But when he started to get behind, that praising became a burden for him. There's multiple reasons for a person to become a neet, being a loser is one of them and it's usually the common pick in anime plots. |
Jul 29, 2020 2:15 PM
#222
i should mention though it was amusing when Emilia and Rem came to inflate subaru's ego when he was all depressed. who knew waifus could be good therapists. |
Jul 29, 2020 2:15 PM
#223
rakp333 said: AbsurdTurk said: But...Re: Zero at the same time is a wish-fullfillment escapist fantasy isekai anime: it's about a really attractive, fit dude, who gets transported into a fantasy world, allowing him to escape the responsibilities of the real world. In this fantasy world, he gets surrounded by cute girls, one whom even simps for him (Rem), where he becomes a hero who saves people using his broken power that was given to him without him earning it (Return by Death). Except that he has to work really hard for even the smallest of things. In the end, he might succeed, but its more or less trying to make lazy otaku (like Subaru) work hard and face life. Generally, most MCs in stories work hard to achieve success. |
Jul 29, 2020 2:19 PM
#224
AbsurdTurk said: yeah i 100% agree with you. the father sounded so mechanical when he had to remind the audience multiple times how close him and subaru were; it was almost comical at that point. second half saved the episode for me. found the scene with rem and emilia kinda corny too. like, imagine relying on a trashy otaku as the hero to save your life--pretty funny when you think about it. i'm glad he's good looking and fit though, because it gives an actual reason for the characters to find him attractive. it would've been a last straw for me if the main girls were fawning over him while he had armpit sweat and a quadruple chin. Well, this was kind of emotional, even if I did think it was a little cheesy with the abundance of crying, and the dialogue being hammier than usual, and the first 10 minutes being a waste of time (particularly the peas joke) My question is: why didn't we get this episode much earlier? Why wasn't Subaru's backstory shown in the 1st episode? The 1st episode could've gone over Subaru's life, showing it in extensive detail, rather than just jumping into the edginess. Season 1 of Re: Zero was 25 episodes; it could've easily spared 1 episode to focus on the protagonist's backstory. And then, between episodes 2-18, Subaru could be forced to confront his past and come to terms with it. It would've been perfect! Even though this episode finally explains why Subaru's so damn annoying, I still don't really like him much more than before. I find it very ironic know how Re: Zero fans were saying the 1st scene in episode 1 season 1 was so "deep," the scene in the grocery store, where the subtext was implying that Subaru did not get along with his parents, his mom didn't cook for him, his life sucked, but...it turns out to all be the opposite: he gets along great with his family, so his mom obviously cooks for him. I found it incredibly corny that Rem came out and said Subaru was her "hero" and whatnot, as though Subaru actually risks his life. As annoying as Subaru is, he's a good person like most people. So of course, when he has the power to come back to life after dying, he's going to continue dying to save other people who are near him, just like anyone would. Subaru is a confusing character to me: because he's supposed to obviously represent trashy otakus, yet...he's the ideal trashy otaku: he's ridiculously good looking, he's fit as fuck. spectrojan said: Amazing episode, best of s2 yet. 5/5 I almost held back my tears until it began rewinding to his mom saying take care before the events of the first episode. Lmao tf kinda asshat was Subaru to not once think about such loving parents when he arrived in the other world, respect --. But well, he made up for it in this one so I guess I'm not mad anymore. Yeah, it's really weird...Subaru got along great with his parents. They love each other. So when he became isekai'd, how did he never ever miss them? Laplace_kun said: There are 1. People who watch Re:Zero mainly for the torture porn 2. People who watch Re:Zero mainly for waifus And then there's people like me sitting in a lonely corner watching it for the story dynamics and character exploration. Really good episode, the fact that White Fox extended it to 30 minutes gives me hopes for the future. Animation is still considerably drab. I liked the fact they didn't overdramatize this episode by obvious feels music and incessant sobbing. Did hit my heart tho, when it gave us huge hints about Subaru 's nature as a person. That dad is a chad. And now, a greedy schoolgirl wants to talk~ The ED truly seems to point out something... I like the song already. Didn't the people in the group number 3 begin to watch Re: Zero precisely because of the torture porn that the plot synopsis promised? Farabeuf said: Normally I don't like episodes that are so conversation heavy. I'm more of a show don't tell kind of guy. But considering he hasn't seen his parents in so long and might not see them again, this was a well done episode. Subaru has matured in the other world it seems. I knew a big twist was coming at the end. I was fine with the whole episode being talking. My problem was with how hammy and forced the dialogue was. Like that one dialogue where his mom or dad said something about Subaru, "Being a hard worker who got things done minimally" or something. |
Jul 29, 2020 2:20 PM
#225
Talking about the good things about this anime is that everyone does it, put your finger on the wound and say the problem, nobody wants to. The confrontation of Subaru's past had no substance to justify that as a test, as a challenge, and the explanation of the reasons why he doesn't want to go to school was absurd. Furthermore, REM appearing in a forced context just to do fan service was something terrible. There were some good parts, there was a character development and deepening, Subaru is still a drug, but it got a little better, and the best part was the Echidna scene at the end (almost everyone already knew about it). |
Jul 29, 2020 2:23 PM
#226
SirLezard said: shayed__ said: kind of felt bored from this episode lol. everyone in here crying like how. Season in general is pretty mediocre so far Why is it boring and mediocre? In fact, what does it need in order for it to not be boring and mediocre then? What would you do? This guy is probably just a meathead who likes action and gore. He doesn't seem to understand the importance of fleshing out characters and emotional episodes |
Jul 29, 2020 2:27 PM
#227
Tiago_Vaz_007 said: The confrontation of Subaru's past had no substance to justify that as a test, as a challenge, Except that why the trial was designed so (by Echidna) will be explained in a future episode. Patience is the key in Re:Zero. I mean, imagine making a barrier and trapping so many demi-humans inside it for so many years (centuries) only to see the backstory of an Otaku? Obviously it won't be THAT absurd. |
Jul 29, 2020 2:27 PM
#228
AbsurdTurk said: But...Re: Zero at the same time is a wish-fullfillment escapist fantasy isekai anime: it's about a really attractive, fit dude, who gets transported into a fantasy world, allowing him to escape the responsibilities of the real world. In this fantasy world, he gets surrounded by cute girls, one whom even simps for him (Rem), where he becomes a hero who saves people using his broken power that was given to him without him earning it (Return by Death). everything you said is wrong. Sadly your hate on the isekai genre is clouding your mind. It's pretty early to assume he will escape his responsibilities at the end. Yea he gets surrounded by cute girls, where only two of them showed interest in him at this point. One of them because he literally SAVE HER LIFE and the other because he showed her no prejudice for being the live image of a witch which was the ultimate boogeyman of this world. and boy, you really think Return by Death is really a broken power? being torn into pieces as a prerequisite is not so much of a drawback for you it seems. |
AdorelisJul 29, 2020 2:31 PM
Jul 29, 2020 2:27 PM
#229
This episode just blew my mind! I loved to see Subaru interacting with his family and all these explanations from his past. It was a bit confusing because till certain point you didnt know if that hapenned in the past or if it was a dream or any other thing ahah. Then the Emilia n Rem appearing in his thoughts kinda gave all that a direction and at the end i knew that all was part of them entering the sanctuary and "being tested". mhm Nice episode. I never wrote so much on a ep discussion but i thought this one deserved it ahah. |
removed-userJul 29, 2020 2:34 PM
Jul 29, 2020 2:28 PM
#230
HajimeNozomiUwU said: his favorite anime is literally your lie in april--a show known for its emotional aspects and deep characters. i wouldn't put it past him that he just didn't connect with the family dynamic that much. even i struggled to. SirLezard said: shayed__ said: kind of felt bored from this episode lol. everyone in here crying like how. Season in general is pretty mediocre so far Why is it boring and mediocre? In fact, what does it need in order for it to not be boring and mediocre then? What would you do? This guy is probably just a meathead who likes action and gore. He doesn't seem to understand the importance of fleshing out characters and emotional episodes |
Jul 29, 2020 2:32 PM
#231
When I saw Rem in this episode. The memerberries made me cry. SIDE NOTE: Rem is the #1 wiafu! I really want Rem to have more screen time. She is the sun star that makes it impossible to see the other stars. I understand why they needed to temporarily remove her. |
Jul 29, 2020 2:33 PM
#232
shayed__ said: kind of felt bored from this episode lol. everyone in here crying like how. Season in general is pretty mediocre so far They are crying because they are normal humans. Re:Zero has a focus on character drama & emotions. Just an FYI, there's a lot more crying left in this season (in future episodes). Watch Dragon Ball or some other action pack shonen if you don't want to see people crying all the time. |
Jul 29, 2020 2:35 PM
#233
Tiago_Vaz_007 said: Talking about the good things about this anime is that everyone does it, put your finger on the wound and say the problem, nobody wants to. The confrontation of Subaru's past had no substance to justify that as a test, as a challenge, and the explanation of the reasons why he doesn't want to go to school was absurd. Furthermore, REM appearing in a forced context just to do fan service was something terrible. There were some good parts, there was a character development and deepening, Subaru is still a drug, but it got a little better, and the best part was the Echidna scene at the end (almost everyone already knew about it). Honestly, that s because Subaru already passed this exact test in season 1 the only difference is that he got some closure with his parents. |
Jul 29, 2020 2:36 PM
#234
charliechuckle said: SIDE NOTE: Rem is the #1 wiafu! I really want Rem to have more screen time. She is the sun star that makes it impossible to see the other stars. I understand why they needed to temporarily remove her. Bruh hhaaha Just like you and the others 99% i love Rem but you gotta give Emilia some love too haha *Remu i love Emilia..But i love you moreXD* |
Jul 29, 2020 2:36 PM
#235
Loved it. It was quite emotional. It made me cry 3 times. And also subaru's parents are great! |
EMT |
Jul 29, 2020 2:39 PM
#236
I haven't cried this hard in a while. Even though I'm a source reader. Even though I already cried while reading this. I just couldn't hold back when he said goodbye to his mom... 5/5 |
SAO PROGRESSIVE ANIME HYPE |
Jul 29, 2020 2:41 PM
#237
Adorelis said: everything you said is wrong. Sadly your hate on the isekai genre is clouding your mind. I never said nor implied anything about disliking the isekai genre. There's nothing wrong with being a wish-fulfillment anime: the problem is when the anime's trying to be a, "cool kid" by trying to criticize wish-fulfillment anime, while still being a wish-fulfillment anime. Adorelis said: It's pretty early to assume he will escape his responsibilities at the end. Most anime never reveal the teenage protagonist transitioning into adulthood and having responsibilities. Adorelis said: Yea he gets surrounded by cute girls, where only two of them showed interest in him at this point. One of them because he literally SAVE HER LIFE and the other because he showed her no prejudice for being the live image of a witch which was the ultimate boogeyman of this world. Which is very similar to how the girls show interest for the main male character in harem anime. For example, in Rosario + Vampire, Moka falls in love with Tsukune because he was nice to her, because she suffered so much prejudice. Rem and Emilia didn't show interest in Subaru because they have actual chemistry, because they have actual common interests, because they have conversations and/or do stuff together like normal friends. While Emilia's not in love with Subaru, other attractive female characters do show some kind of interest (albeit not romantic) in Subaru: Echidna, Crusch. Subaru interacts with many of these attractive female characters too. Adorelis said: and boy, you really think Return by Death is really a broken power? being torn into pieces as a prerequisite is not so much of a drawback for you it seems. RTBD does not tear Subaru into pieces; his deaths are caused by external sources. Because of Subaru's power, he never has to worry about permanently dying. Because of his power, he can defeat almost anyone, because he has unlimited chances to retry, he can gain as much info as he can from his enemies. Also, I've heard that along the line, Subaru gains even more powers. Hell, in season 1, he already has that shadow power thing. The idea of a power having drawbacks while still being ridiculously good is not anything weird or unique. In Berserk, the Berserker armor physically harms its wearer, and drives them, well, berserk. |
Jul 29, 2020 2:42 PM
#238
Unlike 99% of the peops here, I found this episode rather boring despite it giving some insights into his past. The dialogues and monologues were exruciatingly long. Subaru's issue of not being able to live up to his own and other expectations, whilst still having the guaranteed love of his parents is pretty... ordinary? The emotional impact of the interactions then got almost completly lost when it became clear this was all Echadna's doing. |
Jul 29, 2020 2:43 PM
#239
1/5 boring, If I didn't enjoyed season 1 so much I would drop this show right here and right now, here is to hopping for things to actually get better, this season so far has been a waste of time and a disappointment. |
Jul 29, 2020 2:43 PM
#240
This is very relatable: I was the best in math class in Elementary and Middle School. As soon as I went to high-school I met a teacher who made me dislike mathematics. My feelings for the subject changed, and I was no longer able to enjoy learning it. |
I know now that I know nothing. |
Jul 29, 2020 2:43 PM
#241
I really liked the building of Subaru's character a lot. He acts like a dumbass in so many situations because of his fear of being "not special" and "just the son of his father". He goes off and tries to separate himself from others by any means possible, thinking that those around him are only able to experience the things they do because of his presence. At some point though, people just grew tired of what was essentially just was Subaru trying to get peoples' attention, but Subaru himself was never able to grow out of this mindset, and as a result, is alienated by those around him. Because of his lack of experience in building any meaningful relationships with people, Subaru basically fucks up all the time socially in high school, and further reinforces his loneliness. He begins to wish that his parents would start hating him, and forcing him to change by means of making him give up what his life was, but they never did. Most importantly, the talk showed that Subaru, at least in his old life, was practically incapable of proactively forcing himself to change. The only times he tried to change at all were in reaction to what people did to Subaru. I did feel though that the pacing of bringing this kind of subject matter up was a little wack. Subaru wakes up, eats food, and then, all of a sudden without any buildup, has a profoundly deep and heavily emotional talk with his dad. The fuck? Pretty decent ep overall. Maybe the best one so far. Hopefully, there will be some good ol mental trauma in the next few episodes. If next week is another build up episode, it would have been a third of the season without anything particularly memorable, and that would be pretty shitty. |
Jul 29, 2020 2:47 PM
#242
The scene when subaru sitting on the bench and try to remember emilia,looks like it want to tell me to forget about your waifu and continue with your real life but after he remember,it looks like they want to tell me there are waifu waiting for me in another world. |
Jul 29, 2020 2:49 PM
#243
Would also like to point out that this is the power of buildup in a story from a longer anime. (More than 1 season at least) We have some of those similar moments in Kaguya season 2 too simply cuz we got enough screen time for us to understand the characters more first. Koto Oto Tomera season 2 got rated much higher than season 1 when Tenkyu lands is also because of all the buildup prior to the performance. Same can be said for the said for the serie of final events of last 5 episodes of Digimon Universe App Monster. Buildup is everything. You can't just have big touchy moment like that out of nowhere or else audience won't buy it. It's the buildup that makes all those touchy moments worth it because every turn of events is inter-connected. All the irrational action Subaru did in act 2 and act 3 is justified because of this episode. If this flashback is thrown early on into the serie like maybe way back in act 2, the impact would be much smaller. It would also make people think the character development happened too fast and too forcefully. |
Jul 29, 2020 2:50 PM
#244
AbsurdTurk said: rakp333 said: Re:Zero's underlying themes are to criticise the wish-fulfilment & escapist tropes of generic fantasy/isekai settings. But...Re: Zero at the same time is a wish-fullfillment escapist fantasy isekai anime: it's about a really attractive, fit dude, who gets transported into a fantasy world, allowing him to escape the responsibilities of the real world. In this fantasy world, he gets surrounded by cute girls, one whom even simps for him (Rem), where he becomes a hero who saves people using his broken power that was given to him without him earning it (Return by Death). Often the best criticism comes when things look exactly like you think they should. You don't deconstruct tropes by completely ignoring their existence; you conform to them insofar as necessary to reveal their weaknesses. That's the distinction between deconstruction and outright mockery. While it may be temporarily amusing to have weak, ugly guy get transported to another world, where he is surrounded by average girls who hate him, ending in his eventual death, I think it would end up being completely forgettable in the end. It makes for a better story to explore how we may be finding meaning in the wrong things than it does to slap people in the face with a soggy block of nihilistic tofu. |
Every day you can read a book or watch some anime is a good day! |
Jul 29, 2020 3:02 PM
#245
let me chime in now that i have stabilized this ep really hit home, him waiting for the clock to hit 8:00 so that he can say that no mater what he would have been late as a self fulfilling prophecy is something not only have I done in the past many times but by far more egregiously. this ep was a wake up call of just how slothful i have been in life |
Jul 29, 2020 3:02 PM
#246
let me chime in now that i have stabilized this ep really hit home, him waiting for the clock to hit 8:00 so that he can say that no mater what he would have been late as a self fulfilling prophecy is something not only have I done in the past many times but by far more egregiously. this ep was a wake up call of just how slothful i have been in life |
Jul 29, 2020 3:04 PM
#247
My two brothers said it was boring can anyone explan me this how?? |
Jul 29, 2020 3:07 PM
#248
Lid1 said: My two brothers said it was boring can anyone explan me this how?? let me explain ... your brothers lied. |
Jul 29, 2020 3:07 PM
#249
This episode was as great as Episode 18, and I thought Subaru was a very relatable character. |
Jul 29, 2020 3:12 PM
#250
And here is the first score booster episode of S2. The score has already went from 8.43 to 8.45, just in a few hours. I really liked this episode, it was quite emotional, and I especially liked Subaru's mother. I can't really explain why, but I liked her, she has a great character :D |
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