Shuu-chan loves Hagu?

Clous said:
I pretty much got the same vibes as you.

Des said:
Though, no matter who Haug-chan choosed, I still think it's very odd. She looks like a 10 year old :P

EguTockismyGOD said:
I dunno if I should still say this when this post is almost 10 years old but I just want to clarify something. I think Shuu-chan doesn't love hagu that way. When Hagu chose Shuu-chan it's because she knew that Shuu-chan could support her financially and without sacrificing anything. If she chose Morita who promised he would take care of her financially, it would be like taking away his desire to create art cause he has to focus on her. If she also chose takemoto (tho we all knew she wouldn't), it would be the most unfair to him coz she doesn't love him romantically but she's gonna strain him financially and even asking him to carry to burden of taking of her. But with Shuu-chan who has pretty much taken care of her (like he did with Rika pre/post Harada's death), she would rather choose the one she knows would be willing to do everything for her. ALTHOUGH, Shuu-chan does love Hagu but it's more like a sibling love. Mayama did say to Yamada that there is more to love than romantic feelings, tbh that was the only no awkward scene for both of them.

Yakarin said:


I personally chose to believe this as well, I think the author was going for other kinds of love, especially considering how Shuu had also loved Rika and Harada very deeply as friends, no romantic feelings there either.

Melody said:


I would also like the love between them to stay as it was, a love that suits the father-daughter relationship they had so far. The change of his feelings for this relationship was a bit too abrupt and is personally disturbing me for quite a few reasons.
But, I finished the manga yesterday and it's stated very clearly that Shuu-chan is in love with Hagu. At this point she doesn't know it yet, and she probably still sees him and loves him as a father figure.
After reading the crossover chapters with 3-gatsu no Lion, it's mentioned that Hagu is Shuu-chan's girlfriend. (Just as Rika is Mayama's, and Ayu has become Nomiya's wife).

saddy98 said:

Yup In manga "March comes in like lion ch-152-153" there is appearences of characters but its not stated as Shu X Hagu clearly. Though from ending of HnC what i conncured that Hagu was quite naive and childish before and came to like Morita because of his passion for art as herself and was not aware clearly what love was still till the end , same goes for Takemoto but she was sure of her love for art and Hanamoto Sensei in a sibling sense.The accident gave her a prespective change and she grew as a person and favoured Hanamoto and her art over her un-clear likeness for Morita. She also realized selfless Takemoto's love for her, thats why she wished for his happiness.

I think Morita also understood Hagu's love for art was what made her like him. Thats why the scene where Hagu was unable to focus to draw he didnt intervene even when told by Hanamoto, because he knew it was Takemoto for whom she was lamenting (who was on his bicycle journey) thats what i think.
So i think in the end Takemoto won the heart of Hagu but lost the war as Mayama said there are more things in life then romantic love.

Melody said:


I said that it's mentioned Hagu and Shuu are a couple because of what Nomiya said in this scene of chapter 152.

In my opinion, it pretty much confirms that the two girls are the guys' girlfriends. I doubt that word was used as a joke by Nomiya, just because they like the girls.
I agree with the rest of the stuff you said.

saddy98 said:


Idk in the english translated version Hagumi was referred as "Koro-pok-guru" and its true Nomiya did called them as other peoples gf.

Still Hagumi was introduced as Shu's cousin, so wouldn't that count as incest. Though there was no boundment for such cases meaning Japan has cases of first cousin marriages, if thats the case it may suffice. Though on a global prospect its still hard to digest.

Melody said:


I believe it's the same translation, Nomiya refers to both girls as "koro-pok-guru" a couple of pages before the one I sent.
Besides, even if that isn't enough of a confirmation for some to believe they are a couple now, the issue here is that Shuu started to love Hagu romantically.

I saw somewhere that Shuu is the cousin of Hagu's mother. I don't know how distant this is considered for Japanese people, but it is one of the things that bothered me, too. What bothered me the most though, is that Shuu has been doting on her as a father would on his daughter, Hagu knew him since she was a kid and she pretty much grew up with him as a father/sibling figure. And then suddenly, it's stated that Shuu is in love with her a couple of chapters before the end. There was absolutely no build-up to that change of his feelings, too, it just came out of the blue, without getting fleshed out.

It's not like this made me dislike the manga, it's certainly one of the best I've read and I enjoyed many aspects of it. But I can admit that this final development, along with a couple more things, left me with a bit of a bad taste. Since the manga showed all kinds of love (romantic love, love between friends and family, love for art, etc), it wasn't necessary for a "father/daughter" relationship to suddenly turn romantic, in my opinion.

saddy98 said:



Well its was a real heart breaker. Except the ending is still bizzare. I think it is what it is. I guess I should just stop thinking about it and enjoy it.
THANKS for bearing with me.

Melody said:


There is something good to be found in this kind of bittersweet ending, too.
Don't say it like that, haha. I enjoyed the conversation, so thank you, as well!

Meruto said:
So I know there has already been a lot of discussion over this topic, but I think the subject of Shuu and Hagu's relationship needs its own thread. (If nothing else, this serves as my own personal rant page.)

I'm fairly certain when Hanamoto-sensei, or Shuu-chan, said that he loved Hagu, he meant he loved her romantically. For one thing, he was blushing. For another, in the conversation he had with Yamada afterwards, he's embarrassed, she's shocked, and he's exasperated at her comments about him, like, "I guess he is a man despite his age." All of that suggests he loves her romantically. For me, this was TOTALLY unexpected.
He also says, when pressed by Yamada, that the way he came to love her is embarrassing. How do you think he came to have romantic feelings for Hagu? For some reason I get the feeling it had to do with that flashback where Hagu is a young girl and Sensei is a teenager, and they fall asleep together under a blanket...

Another part of my personal confusion: What did Hagu mean when she asked Sensei, "Please give me your life"? Was she simply asking him to travel with her, and teach her about art, and support her in her recovery and work thereafter? Or was she also asking him in some way, to love her forever? To love her how? Romantically? This was another thing I felt was equivalent to a bomb dropping. I definitely was not prepared.

I don't like nor feel comfortable with the switch from father-daughter type relationship to love interest in the last 2 episodes. I mean, I loved Honey and Clover, I liked the more heavy-hearted sequel despite a few drawbacks, I loved the character of Hanamoto-sensei, and was even fond of Hagu-chan. But this development left me troubled. I mean, Sensei even said in the very beginning of H&C,"I'm like a father to her." The whole, "She chose Sensei" (over her main love interests throughout both seasons) business really bothered me.

One thing in particular is that in Honey and Clover, after her upsetting date with Morita, Hagu told Shuu-chan that she wished she could only be with him forever. Shuu-chan later makes a narrative (I think) remark about how even though she thinks that now, she will come to love other men (namely Morita at this point..) in her life other than Shuu-chan himself.

I just feel that Sensei was such a father figure to her, and that Hagu loves him so much in that way. (Not to mention, he is something like 10 or more years older than her. And on a side note, just because I am unclear- Were they cousins or uncle and niece? I think it was cousins...)

In the end, I just feel sad for the both of Hagu and Sensei. Sensei is going to be supporting her in many ways for the rest of her life, probably, and has what I believe are one-sided romantic feelings. Hagu is in love with Morita, but she chose art.

I guess at the end of the day what will help me sleep is that one theme in H&C was the many different types of love there are (for example, love among friends, love that is one's "bittersweet treasure", love that knows no distance)-- That Shuu-chan may love her as a woman, but as for the romantic part it's a dormant sort of love. That he loves her simply as a precious person to him and someone he wants to heal and protect, and, like the professor said, is healing himself in the process. Also, I get the feeling that Morita will return in the future (after all, he said "it's not over) and he and Hagu-chan will be together. Though that's another thing that's sad for Sensei, it helps ease my mind a bit. As my last thought, I have to say that Hagu's narrative-- "Shuu-chan is my rain." "He is very precious to me."-- was poignant and beautiful and overrides the majority of negative thoughts I have about their relationship.

Now what are your thoughts?!

kaisu_m said:
I have the same feelings and from the comments in the Internet I see that the vast majority of viewers were confused about the Shuu and Hagu relationship, too... How could someone even come up with something like that? I mean it's one thing that she chooses to stay with him to have the best care and be able to continue with drawing which is the most important thing to her. It's bitter, but can be understood.
But the fact the Shuu has a romantic feelings towards Hagu although it was mentioned that they are relatives and for the whole series their relationship was shown as father-daughter or at least big brother-little sister?? That's not acceptable for me. It's incest and I really cannot believe it happened in that story. I like the show, I accept the sad and bitter moments in it although I'd like to avoid many of them, but this one point is just a no no no. Just to imagine them both kissing or even doing, em, more stuff? Oh, please.
One good side here is that Hagu doesn't seem to have romantic feelings to Shuu (that would just ruin the show completely...) and still holds them for Morita. I don't quite understand why she had to choose between Shuu and Morita, while the first one is like father and the latter a romantic love. Can't she just live with Shuu, but date Morita? But I guess she just chose to give Morita freedom so that he can follow his path. As they promise to watch over each other, I believe they can stay in touch, will see each other again and maybe still have hopes for something more. At the moment Morita wouldn't give her safety she needs to recover and find her place in the art world, but maybe in some years they could try to be together... Hagu is still very young, will be changing, her needs will evolve. I know in reality the story ends where it ends on the screen/pages, but it's always nice to think about it like about the parallel world that is continuing somwhere behind the curtains : )

Melody said:


I believe it's the same translation, Nomiya refers to both girls as "koro-pok-guru" a couple of pages before the one I sent.
Besides, even if that isn't enough of a confirmation for some to believe they are a couple now, the issue here is that Shuu started to love Hagu romantically.

I saw somewhere that Shuu is the cousin of Hagu's mother. I don't know how distant this is considered for Japanese people, but it is one of the things that bothered me, too. What bothered me the most though, is that Shuu has been doting on her as a father would on his daughter, Hagu knew him since she was a kid and she pretty much grew up with him as a father/sibling figure. And then suddenly, it's stated that Shuu is in love with her a couple of chapters before the end. There was absolutely no build-up to that change of his feelings, too, it just came out of the blue, without getting fleshed out.

It's not like this made me dislike the manga, it's certainly one of the best I've read and I enjoyed many aspects of it. But I can admit that this final development, along with a couple more things, left me with a bit of a bad taste. Since the manga showed all kinds of love (romantic love, love between friends and family, love for art, etc), it wasn't necessary for a "father/daughter" relationship to suddenly turn romantic, in my opinion.

Melody said:


I believe it's the same translation, Nomiya refers to both girls as "koro-pok-guru" a couple of pages before the one I sent.
Besides, even if that isn't enough of a confirmation for some to believe they are a couple now, the issue here is that Shuu started to love Hagu romantically.

I saw somewhere that Shuu is the cousin of Hagu's mother. I don't know how distant this is considered for Japanese people, but it is one of the things that bothered me, too. What bothered me the most though, is that Shuu has been doting on her as a father would on his daughter, Hagu knew him since she was a kid and she pretty much grew up with him as a father/sibling figure. And then suddenly, it's stated that Shuu is in love with her a couple of chapters before the end. There was absolutely no build-up to that change of his feelings, too, it just came out of the blue, without getting fleshed out.

It's not like this made me dislike the manga, it's certainly one of the best I've read and I enjoyed many aspects of it. But I can admit that this final development, along with a couple more things, left me with a bit of a bad taste. Since the manga showed all kinds of love (romantic love, love between friends and family, love for art, etc), it wasn't necessary for a "father/daughter" relationship to suddenly turn romantic, in my opinion.

EvolKarma said:
🤮 didn’t expect the series to end in incest, and for Shuu to come out as a creepy pedo groomer.

hopefully you will delete it