Nadia, the Secret of Blue Water Episode 33 Discussion

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Jan 17, 2008 6:18 PM

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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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Four words: WORST NADIA EPISODE EVER. Here the characters act all completely OUT of character (Nadia, in particular, devolves into a totally unlovable, psychotic b***h), the script churns out some horribly written lines such as "we've got to give it everything we've got, even if we have to get violent with that bileless little bug!", and the artwork and plotting are deplorably cartoonish. It's the monodimensional portrayal of Grandis' ex-fiance as a villain that really brings the whole thing down. In Episode 12, the writers had concocted a believable backstory for Grandis involving her previous love affair, but here he is presented as a totally uninteresting, moustache-twirling, Snidely Whiplash-like caricature. This guy is so boring, it's hard to imagine how Grandis could have fallen for him in the first place. It makes even less sense when Grandis falls for him again. Way to ruin a credible subplot and then not even making it worthwhile.

There are numerous other storytelling problems with this episode as well--how can King survive being tied to a cross for two days? The lion's in trouble, yet Grandis and Nadia can take a bath? By what right does Nadia have to treat Jean poorly when he's done nothing rude at this point and even tries to help in the rescue? And what the heck is up with that mecha King?

Another thing that really bothered me about this episode were other aspects of Nadia's character being derailed. I already mentioned the way she treats Jean in this episode and of how she pedestalizes the Tarzan clone over him. That really killed whatever speck of respect I might have had for her until the filler arc started. What I didn't mention was that she actually lies to the person she "loves" about the tin food can being shredded and later on, actually gets into a brawl with Grandis and Gonzales, charging aggressively into them. Isn't Nadia supposed to be AGAINST lying AND violence? Seriously, it's hard to imagine that this is the same character we know from the first 22 episodes or even episode 31.

I seriously wished there had been a moment where everyone else calls Nadia out for her actions here considering there are bits when the cast comments during the previous episode and this where they are disappointed with her behavior -- and rightly so.

As such, this is just a inept, stupid, despicable, unimaginative, uninteresting episode. That episode 35 forgets this entire substory also suggests that it was never intended to be part of the original continuity. Bottom-line: avoid this two-part African arc at all costs; it is very damaging to the overall show. I'm not even the least bit surprised that the "Nautilus Story" compilation of NADIA omitted this sidestory altogether.

Mod Edit: Fixed poll.

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Oct 23, 2009 2:23 AM

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I think I've become numbed to these terrible episodes. Well, I THOUGHT I was. Holy crap, Nadia you terrible bitch. I feel like these episodes were written by a mysoginist who was scorned by a woman in a similar way or something. I just...don't see how anyone could think that a likable character could act like this in any credible way. Also, Mecha-King, souper(juice) powers, pointless love story, dumb backstory twisting, etc.

I am actively upset at where this went now.

Feb 25, 2012 2:02 AM

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I want to pretend that the africa arc didn't happen but it's almost impossible. It pretty much ruins almost all the important characters.
- Nadia who would leave Jean for a guy she barely knows without the slightest trace of guilt.
- Nobody calling her out on it.
- Jean just taking it like a little wimp.
- Gradis falling for a guy who she knows to have destroyed her life and probably caused her father to destitution.

Seriously now.. who the hall thought this was a good idea?

Mar 6, 2012 7:47 PM

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raduccio said:
Seriously now.. who the hall thought this was a good idea?

Who knows. I'm guessing it was rushed. But either way, this arc is definitely the worst written of the show, not to mention terribly out of place with the narrative.

Granted, the island episodes prior to this were pretty awful, too, but at least some of them (25, 29, 30, and 31) had SOME scenes that were crucial to the plot (Nadia's circus flashback scenes, for instance). The Africa arc has no such redeeming features and is all the worse for it. It's best to pretend that the Africa storyline and the subsequent singing recap episode DON'T exist; even episode 35 acts like it never occurred.

JTurnerDec 22, 2012 8:58 PM

May 6, 2014 10:06 AM

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This is so cruel for Jean. They just forced a bitch trait into Nadia! Her image went downhill. I really hate her now. Whoever is responsible for this mess should be fired!

Sep 14, 2015 6:00 AM

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Couldn't agree with the op more. These filler episodes were fucking god awful. I wouldn't have minded them if they had just been mediocre but they just had to be total fucking shite.

Quite often the characters don't even resemble what they were suppose to be and there's so much retarded stuff on these fillers that your face is going to be red for months after all the face palming.

If i had been Anno i would have gotten rid of all the people working on these episodes for fucking up so badly.

At least for the most part they had the sense of not wasting much money adapting these garbage scripts. At times the art look's like it was done by chimpanzee with down syndrome.

Jan 19, 2016 4:02 AM

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It's official.

I fucking hate this goddamn show.

sambodi pls tell mi y dese episodes exist

this is NTR, and NTR is the devil
garbage

Anno?

HAH

NO

PLS NO

Jul 6, 2017 4:02 PM

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Haha this episode was hilarious and pitiful from beginning to end.

Jul 6, 2017 7:52 PM

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jbm71 said:
Haha this episode was hilarious and pitiful from beginning to end.

There's major reasons why these African episodes are universally despised by just about every NADIA fan. Simply put, they destroy the characters' personalities and relationships, the storyline is stupid, pointless, and totally irrelevant, and the newcomers aren't even remotely interesting. Worse still, it provides absolutely nothing to the main story thread. Simply put, it wasn't supposed to be in the show.

Jul 8, 2017 3:39 AM

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JTurner said:

jbm71 said:
Haha this episode was hilarious and pitiful from beginning to end.

I agree that the episodes of the mysterious island had already well scratched the personality of Nadia but these episodes in Africa are just a total betrayal to the personality of the protagonists. I swear it was so pitiful that it became hilarious. Nadia who spoils the plan by returning to the caravan, the ridiculous rivalry between Jean and the young African at the end, the totally silly villain and my favorite over all: the moment you realize that the Africans venerated a tin ("A silver column"), oh my god it was so perfect from beginning to end.

Eterna71Mar 10, 2021 8:25 AM

Sep 4, 2017 12:22 PM

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How could they top the previously worst episode of the series! What a work, what an unbelievable feat ! You can (not) applaud.

Who designed this character? This can't be Sadamoto's work! oO

0/5 again !

About Gundam

Oct 19, 2017 12:18 AM

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LMFAO

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA

MY FUCKING SIDES

THIS IS THE GREATEST EPISODE OF ANYTHING I'VE EVER SEEN.

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Dec 16, 2017 2:06 AM

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The first time i watched this i was incensed but now I actually though that this was firmly in the terribad territory. So incredibly bad it was good. Someone on the staff must have been having a laugh. Not to mention hated Nadia with a vengeance. destroying her character here.

Why doesn't the Nautilus edition of Nadia (which omits most of this Island/Africa arc garbage) become the standard and ignore these epsiodes. The bd release should just have had them as as extras.

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Dec 21, 2017 4:31 PM

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I've never in my life seen a series start out as insanely strong as Nadia. But after Episode 22, things have gone so downhill that I feel like I'm watching an entirely different (and lesser) series. I really, really hope the series can redeem itself in the final episodes. Save for what we learned about Nadia's past and role, the last ten episodes have essentially been torture.

May 23, 2018 2:22 PM

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Well I can't say they didn't warn me about this, but boy was this bad... glad that was over but with only 6 more episodes, I really wonder what's next!

Mar 6, 2019 2:34 PM

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I thought that the island arc was bad (it had some redeeming qualities but overall it was bad). Then I thought the previous episode was bad.

But this... this... tops everything I've seen so far in this series. It was so bad that once the episode ended I sat for 10 minutes with disbelief on my face.

@JTurner already wrote what was wrong with this episode, so I won't repeat it. The only thing I would add is that this episode should be in the "how to ruin an anime 101" guide.

Jul 6, 2019 9:13 AM

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JTurner said:
The lion's in trouble, yet Grandis and Nadia can take a bath?

The bath itself isn't even the weirdest thing about this sequence of events. We go from Grandis pulling a pistol and holding Gonzales at gunpoint in one scene to Grandis and Nadia taking a bath in the Grandis tank in the next scene. What happened after that? I guess she didn't shoot him. It was so hard following what was going on from scene to scene in this episode I guess they just assumed no one would notice

Everybody here is talking about what the flaws in Nadia's characterization takes away from these episodes, and I guess that's only natural, but the character that bothers me the most, consistently, is fkn Ayerton. Every time he opens his mouth it just makes everything more confusing and turns the story in even less constructive directions. He has no motivation as a character. There's apparently nothing he wants and nowhere he needs to be, so everything he says and does is completely random. The whole show would have been better if they'd never introduced him

Jul 6, 2019 9:37 AM

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case649 said:

JTurner said:
The lion's in trouble, yet Grandis and Nadia can take a bath?

Agreed about Ayerton; he was actually more compelling as a minor character when we first meet him in Episode 3, as it did add some interest. But turning him into a major character, especially during the worst part of the show, was clearly a mistake, as he serves zero purpose but to provide stupidity simply for the sake of laughs. That he doesn't bring anything valuable to the concluding events of the story also makes you wonder why the writers even included him at all during the latter half.

To me what really bothered me about that bath scene was how it felt so out of character for both Grandis and Nadia. At a situation where King is in trouble, taking a bath should not be the next logical course of action. That and the dialogue and mannerisms between the two of them in that scene also strikes me as something we would never hear those two say in any of the prior episodes. That and Nadia looking too cheerful in that scene also is a warning sign. Other instances where King gets into trouble has her looking obviously worried for him. I have the feeling that whoever wrote this episode didn't understand the personalities of the characters, which would probably explain the out of character BS that happens here.

Agreed about that transition. Going from that moment of Grandis aiming at Gonzales to the bath scene was indeed a poor call on the writers' part. A lot of the editing and transitions feel very bizarre and off in these two episodes. The 5 second dissolve from night to day when the Grandis balloon zooms to Africa after having its canvas busted -- again!, and not only that pistol to bath transition, but the abrupt cutting from Nadia uncharacteristically charging toward Grandis and Gonzales and having a fight with them to another shot of both being tied up.

Sep 8, 2019 11:38 AM

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This is so cringey, I'm dying of laughter. Literally the worst 50 minutes of animation I have ever witnessed in my entire existence. I really need to know just who directed this nonsense.

I love how the threads for the entire filler arc (and, to a less extent, all other Nadia threads) are just a big competition for the most insulting epithets about these horrific episodes. Who can describe how bad are these in the most imaginative way possible? Terrible, hottific, atrocious, unbearable, abysmal, horrible, awful and so on!

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Apr 30, 2020 3:40 AM

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. . . . . . . . . you know I felt like I was on autopilot while watching this like a train wreck and plane crash happening at the same time on a cruise ship it is beyond horrifying to watch but you cannot look away O-O and upon completing this two part Africa arc a phrase instantly entered my head to sum up my feelings on it from Futurama: That was so terrible I think you gave me cancer!

Because that is really all you could describe it as because this episode is the bottom of the barrel it should be shown to future creators, animators and writers on what NOT to do when creating an anime episode! Other than that this whole thing was a waste of time.

Once again in this episode no character comes out of it looking good but the worst BY FAR is Nadia's characterization oh who am I kidding this person is not Nadia as any depth or likability has been strangled out in this painful ride in fact as much as there were several episodes in the non-filler episodes where I disliked Nadia and had to shake my head at her reactions and how she treated others she was NEVER this insufferable and just devoid of self awareness! Maybe the strategy was making her look so awful here that we would be begging for the days where she was calling Nemo a murderer for saving her life and trying to enforce her beliefs on others XD gotta be honest I would moments like those ten times over instead of how she acted in this Africa arc . . . it is just that bad . . .

But, we really hit the ground running with the bland devoid of any excitement villain turning out to be the swindler her financial ruined Grandis and her Father which is an idiotic decision. He should never have appeared in the series and remained in flashback because the picture Grandis painted was that of a calculating villain who had impeccable amounts of charisma and charm so making him appear now as such an non-threat really undermines all that and makes it seem like Grandis was not deceived but just really dumb for falling for him way back when (good thing I have discarded the majority of these filler episodes as non canon)!

And like many have pointed out Nadia and Grandis taking a bath while King suffers is messed up but also it makes no sense because there is a WHOLE village of people who hate this guy just overwhelm him with your superior numbers using stealth to approach! Hell just our cast of heroes would be enough to take him and his henchmen THIS IS AN EXCUSE TO DRAG THIS EPISODE a total non-conflict! Plus Nadia and Grandis were acting really bizarre talking all throughout their conversation. Also, I must disagree with what others are saying I do not think Grandis was falling for her ex all over again as she mentioned in the bath she was planning on deceiving him and acting as a decoy (maybe it is a mistranslation XD but that is what the subs I was watching said) she even said as much when Nadia busted in on them. Nadia had plenty of time to go and rescue King but decided instead to burst in on them and start a fight makes no sense except for EXTENDING THE EPISODE RUNTIME so basically a waste of time!

Also, even though the warrior also had plenty of time to grab King and even though our heroes were already at the villain's base after that transition of the midpoint a reset button was pushed because apparently they all had to regroup to plan a new attack!?! The HELL!?! And on top of it they take a long time to formulate this overly convoluted plan for the sake of some wacky cringy "comedy"! More wasting of time. We get even more cringe with Jean and the warrior arguing over who will save Nadia just a whole garbage sequence. Plus Grandis was able to save both herself and Nadia anyway so just more wasted time! Then Nadia who has been just poisonous in her treatment of Jean throughout the episode with no real repercussions gets further angry at him while praising the warrior when they both did THE EXACT SAME THING! At least her idiotic makes no sense crush gets nuked and it all blows up in her face as a result!

Then we end the episode with some more cringe "comedy" and Nadia giving one final middle finger to Jean . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . just FUCK OFF episode I am moving forward to the next one so I can put this into the darkest reaches of my mind and hopefully forget this was on my same plane of existence ^-^

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Apr 30, 2020 3:04 PM

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Animated_Amateur said:
. . . . . . . . . you know I felt like I was on autopilot while watching this like a train wreck and plane crash happening at the same time on a cruise ship it is beyond horrifying to watch but you cannot look away O-O and upon completing this two part Africa arc a phrase instantly entered my head to sum up my feelings on it from Futurama: That was so terrible I think you gave me cancer!

Because that is really all you could describe it as because this episode is the bottom of the barrel it should be shown to future creators, animators and writers on what NOT to do when creating an anime episode! Other than that this whole thing was a waste of time.

Agreed. The two Africa episodes are indeed horrible, as is episode 26. I really would have been so much happier if these never existed at all, because the damage they do to the characters and the show in general is staggering.

Fear not, though, all these are thankfully disregarded with Episode 35. Episode 34 is the last of them.

JTurnerApr 30, 2020 3:08 PM

Feb 3, 2021 2:01 PM

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wtf, I hoped to never see the ridiculous robot king in this anime ever again...

Since arriving in Africa, Nadia completely turned her back on Jean and only had eyes for Hamahama, but like her whole personality was now obsessing over him.

I don't think she got mad because Jean used violence on Gonzales, but because he didn't let Hamahama defeat Gonzales personally.

lmao when Hamahama is revealed o have a fiancé.

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Aug 10, 2021 10:47 PM

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This is definitely the worst so far. Some parts were hard to even follow like when Grandis was about to shoot twirly mustache guy, pulls the trigger, then a second later she is in the bathtub with Nadia and they are all back at camp talking about how to rescue King. Huh? What even happened there? The worst is how Nadia is treating Jean and saying she hates him after a couple episode earlier she was hugging him (in the nude) and clearly loved him dearly. These two episodes are completely idiotic and aren't even part of the same show.

Sep 7, 2021 10:56 AM

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These two episodes are completely idiotic and aren't even part of the same show.

Nadia's filler episodes just strike me as sad. They had a really good thing going with the characters' dynamics for a while--Grandis was sort of a mentor to Nadia, while Sanson and Hanson were mentors to Jean. Nadia was stubborn and idealistic, but a lot of that was due to naivety and some of the tragic events in her past. Because of that, she often clashed with the more practical and rational Jean, but you can tell they did really care for each other even if they didn't always see eye-to-eye.

The filler arcs feel like a team with scant knowledge of these dynamics was given hardly any time or money to throw some episodes together. All of the characters feel so Flander-ized and cheapened. I haven't seen the last few episodes yet, but goodness, it feels like the characters are unsalvageable at this point. Seeing Nadia fall for Hamahama without a second thought, and be so cruel to Jean in the process, is just so completely out of character that I don't know how you could recover from these things except to pretend they never happened. I mean, the show has done that already throughout the filler arc--Nadia and Jean have terrible spats, and then all of a sudden they're in love, and then the next moment they're fighting again like they didn't just have their first kiss. Sheesh.

On top of all of that, you have this weird scene where King drinks super-strength potion, runs away, and then gets tied to a cross (apparently the super-strength potion wore off super fast)? And then the gang's solution to freeing him is making him drink more super-strength potion? And also Marie gets him back to the balloon by jumping down from the balloon itself, and throwing him extremely high up into the sky by the tail? I just don't even know what to say to this stuff, at this point.

After finishing the next episode, I'm glad I'll apparently be getting back to the good episodes.

Oct 23, 2021 9:38 PM

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but you can tell they did really care for each other

Exactly. That was obvious in the first 22 episodes. There may have been the occasional disagreement, but there were a lot more very nice moments between Jean and Nadia, and the audience can tell that both like each other's company and can be good friends in spite of having different opinions on matters. I thought their relationship was nicer and friendlier there.

But in episodes 23-34? 23-29 needed to be edited into two episodes, and 30 and 31 could have been one. As for 32-34, there is no reason for them to exist. There is a good reason why these episodes are despised. They trash the characters and their relationships.

Jan 27, 2022 3:34 PM

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The German voice of Gonzalez which is the same as Meowth from Pokémon made this a whole lot more enjoyable for me and really made me laugh. Danke, Gerhard Acktun.
Because of this, I was actually considering rating this episode "OK" but of course, the characterization of Nadia wouldn't make that possible. She thanks Hamahama for trying to save her while continuing to just be a pile of human garbage towards Jean. At the end, Jean says that he'll always be by her side, and when she was about to reply to that with a happy face, "Jean...", I was just like "oh really, now you're nice again?!" but then she continues: "I hAtE yOu!1".
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Jambo.

Feb 24, 2022 4:21 PM

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Island Arc might be semi-filler, but man was it more comfy to sit through and binge watch in a 'so bad its good' way than the Africa arc. Like this episode is nails on a chalkboard bad with its pacing, its mischaracterization, and how the plot in this singular episode just feels like its plodding for the sake of padding out the run time.

The characters overprep to take down Gonzalez when I am just rolling my eyes and thinking "just use you the tank you have, the dude only has a firearm and two useless arm-candy girls".

Jun 22, 2022 10:17 AM

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I fell asleep and I'm glad I did

Aug 22, 2022 5:06 PM

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These Africa episodes are absolute crap. Nadia could be bitchy, even in the non-filler episodes, but she was never a disloyal, shallow tart. Her going Gaga over MC Hamahama made no sense. Nor did "I'm gonna ignore Jean."

Apr 30, 2023 7:57 PM

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Holy shit. After this episode, I couldn't tolerate Nadia (the character) any longer. Her impossibly aggressive veganism, childishly obnoxious self-righteousness, constant verbal abusiveness, confusing contradictory logic, bipolar levels of temper tantrums/mood swings, and outright bitchyness made me hate her to no end. This episode puts the last nail in the coffin of any positive feelings I have for Nadia's character. Everyone in this forum is right. This is without a doubt the WORST episode of the series.

There is so much levels of character derailment! Grandis and Nadia do awful things so against their characters and morals, that everyone should've screamed into their faces. Especially Jean! Poor Jean. They made him even more of a simp for Nadia than he already is. Holy crap what a shitshow.

The desert island arc and Africa arc is indeed not worth watching at all. Just read the synopsis and be happy you didn't watch it. Listen to everyone in this forum, because everyone is right about this episode. Their words are far better written than what I have to say.

Jun 26, 2023 1:09 PM

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raduccio said:
I want to pretend that the africa arc didn't happen but it's almost impossible. It pretty much ruins almost all the important characters.
- Nadia who would leave Jean for a guy she barely knows without the slightest trace of guilt.
- Nobody calling her out on it.
- Jean just taking it like a little wimp.
- Gradis falling for a guy who she knows to have destroyed her life and probably caused her father to destitution.

Seriously now.. who the hall thought this was a good idea?

True i saw this today and im greatly disapointed, i almost cried of frustration. Idk which was worse in this episode, i would say Nadia being bitch and trashing poor Jean who left everything to help her arive at Africa, everything before that episode kiss, some nice talk from Nadia how she realize how Jean is important for her is just utterly destroyed in this episode.
She treated him worse than trash, it was unwatchable i wanted to skip at end of anime just to finish it, there was no logic to do this. When both of them tried to save her in the end, i hold hope she will scream name Jean in danger situation but she was still holding on that Hayama boy and even being mad at jean saving them from that bad guy

Mar 5, 2024 11:20 PM

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The Africa arc killed this show for me. It absolutely killed any redeemable qualities about Nadia (whatever little she had) and they just completely crapped all over Jean and then played it off. Damn this anime I haven't been this angry in a while.

The best of me.

Mar 13, 2024 9:17 PM

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Grandis really fell for that guy twice and Nadia is a dick for no reason, Jean doesn't do anything about it.

The action sequence was OK, half the episode was boring.

AzafuseKingToraMar 13, 2024 9:21 PM

Dec 20, 2024 8:02 PM

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This episode was so bad im gonna have nightmares.
If it was shit show from ep 1 I wouldnt mind but building such as relationship just to shatter it for a few slap stick "comedy" frames was disgravefull.

In the beginnig i was hoping Nadia would tease Jean just to take some revange for Electra or to spice up their relation. Boy was I wrong.

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