| I’ve noticed many times throughout the past couple years during the isekai boom that while most of the original LNs of the isekai are rated highly, the anime adaptations turn out less than average. Why do you think that is? |
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| Probably a demographic thing. The market for LNs and for anime are both very different in reality. Too be fair I don't have alot of perspective on this because the only Isekai LN I have read that I saw the anime was the mom one. The anime wasn't THAT much worse than the novels just slightly trimmed them down so the low scores might be related to cutting of some content the readers initially liked. Adaptations are tricky beasts and maybe some felt slighted by lower production values than they wanted. These are the likely reasons. |
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| Because the beginning of LN is always the hardest part of the series. More so with show like Dendro which take it's time in introducing cast and expanding the lore of the story. Generally once it's have set it's foundation you have nothing to worry about. |
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| Skipping content, general loss of information, different audience, unrealistic expectations. Also, in this case apparently dropping it after a single episode. I think that the LN is overrated but not by quite as much as you'd assume based on the anime threads here. Yes, there are many legit problems in the LN to point out, but judging it entirely by one intro episode isn't a great idea. It is unrealistic to expect the narrative to establish much in that time or to expect the story to actually get anywhere. I usually wait at least a few episodes before I even rate a show, and nowadays I try to check out the source material increasingly often. |
| It’s because most of them aren’t being adapted well. It’s obvious that the adaptation of novels is more difficult than how it’s for manga and there aren’t much people good on do adaptation for novels. Said in a simply and short way, I think it’s that the reason. |
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| There's a difference in investement on the consumer's part, and how many and what type of consumers the product can reach. There're more things that can go wrong in an anime (like the visuals). There's a difference in production costs which limits the lenght of the adaptation, which leads to changes and cuts of content which further leads to a lower quality product compared to the original. |
Alpha_Tranny said: Probably a demographic thing. The market for LNs and for anime are both very different in reality. Too be fair I don't have alot of perspective on this because the only Isekai LN I have read that I saw the anime was the mom one. The anime wasn't THAT much worse than the novels just slightly trimmed them down so the low scores might be related to cutting of some content the readers initially liked. Adaptations are tricky beasts and maybe some felt slighted by lower production values than they wanted. These are the likely reasons. Well, this. Also, many adaptations (or just normal LN/VN works) are victims of the plague of hype. Stop overhyping, guys, it allways create bigger expectation around a work, which leads to negative feedback and disappointment. HakkoMari used to be the #1 rated manga on MAL. As soon as it got an english release, far more people than just LN aficcionados went to see what was so great about it. It dropped fast, and quite a lot, even still being very high. |
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Fabris said: Alpha_Tranny said: Probably a demographic thing. The market for LNs and for anime are both very different in reality. Too be fair I don't have alot of perspective on this because the only Isekai LN I have read that I saw the anime was the mom one. The anime wasn't THAT much worse than the novels just slightly trimmed them down so the low scores might be related to cutting of some content the readers initially liked. Adaptations are tricky beasts and maybe some felt slighted by lower production values than they wanted. These are the likely reasons. Well, this. Also, many adaptations (or just normal LN/VN works) are victims of the plague of hype. Stop overhyping, guys, it allways create bigger expectation around a work, which leads to negative feedback and disappointment. HakkoMari used to be the #1 rated manga on MAL. As soon as it got an english release, far more people than just LN aficcionados went to see what was so great about it. It dropped fast, and quite a lot, even still being very high. Yeah, the hype machine is really a dumb thing. "Let's attribute unrealistic expectations on something we haven't even seen yet. Because that's a productive mentality right?" Healthy expectations are the way to go. |
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| I agree that adaptations of light novels aren't easy at all but I think the most important reason why the "scores" are differ this much is because anime is much more easier to consume than LN and everyone can reach it but only (or better say mostly) hardcore isekai fans read random light novel with no anime adaptation and because they usually like these type of works they rate it high but not everyone who watch the anime is an isekai fan so the score drops... |
| Light novels are always trash and read only by fans of this novel style's fans. When anime is out people who aren't used to reading garbage are simply telling an obvious things. |
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| Because they were always trash to begin with. There's always someone who will try to convince you that the next one is actually good, but at some point you just have to realize that they are, as a whole, aimed at people with really poor taste. It's like taking recommendations seriously from people who are really into fanfiction. |
Gersen said: Because they were always trash to begin with. There's always someone who will try to convince you that the next one is actually good, but at some point you just have to realize that they are, as a whole, aimed at people with really poor taste. It's like taking recommendations seriously from people who are really into fanfiction. Thats odd, coming from someone who gave No Game No Life a 9/10 score. |
Nuggey said: I’ve noticed many times throughout the past couple years during the isekai boom that while most of the original LNs of the isekai are rated highly, the anime adaptations turn out less than average. Why do you think that is? it's because most of the anime watchers don't really appreciate isekai and are way harder on them then ln readers, who are more used to isekai (maybe) or the ln is just as trash as the anime, but not enough people (with good taste) read the ln to give it a bad score, while the anime watchers (ofc) wouldn't read the ln because of the bad impression they got from the anime. I could be wrong tho |
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shuu-tsukiyama said: Nuggey said: I’ve noticed many times throughout the past couple years during the isekai boom that while most of the original LNs of the isekai are rated highly, the anime adaptations turn out less than average. Why do you think that is? it's because most of the anime watchers don't really appreciate isekai and are way harder on them then ln readers, who are more used to isekai (maybe) or the ln is just as trash as the anime, but not enough people (with good taste) read the ln to give it a bad score, while the anime watchers (ofc) wouldn't read the ln because of the bad impression they got from the anime. I could be wrong tho however the anime of "shield heroine" was best received by the community, although both anime are bad.  why? |
| 5 - average 6 - fine 7 - good majority aren't voting ""trash"". Seems to me the "isekei" audience are just using the MAL scoring system properly. |
RayReynolds said: the shield heroine one is moeshuu-tsukiyama said: it's because most of the anime watchers don't really appreciate isekai and are way harder on them then ln readers, who are more used to isekai (maybe) or the ln is just as trash as the anime, but not enough people (with good taste) read the ln to give it a bad score, while the anime watchers (ofc) wouldn't read the ln because of the bad impression they got from the anime. I could be wrong tho however the anime of "shield heroine" was best received by the community, although both anime are bad. why? |
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shuu-tsukiyama said: Nuggey said: I’ve noticed many times throughout the past couple years during the isekai boom that while most of the original LNs of the isekai are rated highly, the anime adaptations turn out less than average. Why do you think that is? it's because most of the anime watchers don't really appreciate isekai and are way harder on them then ln readers, who are more used to isekai (maybe) or the ln is just as trash as the anime, but not enough people (with good taste) read the ln to give it a bad score, while the anime watchers (ofc) wouldn't read the ln because of the bad impression they got from the anime. I could be wrong tho You are wrong, on multiple account, the issue with LN to anime transition is always a lot of shit gets lost in the transition, lost pacing, lost major story points, lost character arcs, etc. When you lack so many stuff, of course the end product would be bad. Its the same reason that Bofuri turned out the better anime, cause its source is literally so stupid, that a moron can make improvements on it. Its so stupid that nothing gets lost in the transition. With LN, the worse LN tend to generate the better anime, cause the adapting stupid shit is easier than thinking how to maintain exceptional shit. |
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ap1001 said: shuu-tsukiyama said: it's because most of the anime watchers don't really appreciate isekai and are way harder on them then ln readers, who are more used to isekai (maybe) or the ln is just as trash as the anime, but not enough people (with good taste) read the ln to give it a bad score, while the anime watchers (ofc) wouldn't read the ln because of the bad impression they got from the anime. I could be wrong tho You are wrong, on multiple account, the issue with LN to anime transition is always a lot of shit gets lost in the transition, lost pacing, lost major story points, lost character arcs, etc. When you lack so many stuff, of course the end product would be bad. Its the same reason that Bofuri turned out the better anime, cause its source is literally so stupid, that a moron can make improvements on it. Its so stupid that nothing gets lost in the transition. With LN, the worse LN tend to generate the better anime, cause the adapting stupid shit is easier than thinking how to maintain exceptional shit. I think it's the same thing that happens with Konosuba, which was such a stupid and bad light novel that even the idiots of DEEN made a better show. |
| @ap1001 that actually makes a lot of sense It's a better explanation than just saying "because it's moe" |
| I think its quite simple really. LN anime adaptations are made for a singular purpose of promoting the source material. Period. They don´t need to tell a whole story. Heck, they don´t even need to tell a good story. They just need to tease enough of the premise to maybe get some extra people interested to buy the LN and/or merch associated with it. Not to mention, they don´t even need to be good adaptations because the LN they adapt is already doing well (else it wouldn´t be geting an anime in the first place). The measure here is being popular, not (necessairly) being good (that´s why some works that are considered good have no anime but some that are below average get 3 seasons). Sdaly enough, there are NO exceptions to this rule. Doesnt matter if a good LN gets a good adaptation or a shit one, or vice versa. None of them were made to be anything more than just a looong ass ads for the source material (while it still runs) and to make some extra cash on the side from merch. That is also why you rarely ever see adaptations of finished works. Because there is no more money to be made there. ((And for those who would dispute this with: "If they are just ads, how come some shows get S2 or even S3?!" - the argument still stands. Doesnt matter how much money the anime adaptation makes or how popular it becomes. As long as the anime doesnt adapt the whole work in its entirety (from start to finish), its just an ad)). |
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Gersen said: Because they were always trash to begin with. There's always someone who will try to convince you that the next one is actually good, but at some point you just have to realize that they are, as a whole, aimed at people with really poor taste. It's like taking recommendations seriously from people who are really into fanfiction. I mean that's objectively wrong haha but ok perje said: 5 - average 6 - fine 7 - good majority aren't voting ""trash"". Seems to me the "isekei" audience are just using the MAL scoring system properly. The MAL opinion is usually anything under an 8 is trash which makes me chuckle tbh as most of these 6 and 7 shows are better than a lot of 8's Mod Edit: Merged duplicated posts; please use the edit button. |
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| Because they know its gonna sell anyway and its cheaper. Just look at arifureta, it was garbage but it ended up one of the best selling and one of the most popular in its season and got a second season. |
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RayReynolds said: shuu-tsukiyama said: it's because most of the anime watchers don't really appreciate isekai and are way harder on them then ln readers, who are more used to isekai (maybe) or the ln is just as trash as the anime, but not enough people (with good taste) read the ln to give it a bad score, while the anime watchers (ofc) wouldn't read the ln because of the bad impression they got from the anime. I could be wrong tho however the anime of "shield heroine" was best received by the community, although both anime are bad. why? I personally don't know what moe is but for me "BOFURI" is more enjoyable and have better fights. Also you had virtually the same climaxes in first episodes of both anime, in "moe shield" MC ate dragon alive compared to Dendrogram who MC OPM some centipede (and after One Punch Man you can't have serious OP-MC who can oneshot enemies without earning it and not look cliche AF). |
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Dadokady said: but they weren't so that's wrongThey were already trash JameaZ said: tough presumption to call an anime trash only 2 episodes in. Otherwise, it's possible to end up looking very stupid in front of everyone *cough* Gigguk *cough* Black Clover *cough* but hey, not everything in mal scored 8 or 9 was good anyways. Why bother looking at numbers? Everyone is entitled to their own preferences, that may be being Isekai. Just like how there "was" a niche audience for JoJo, there exists one for Isekai stuff. Its just a matter of how large they are in comparison. too soon to call it trash I agree 100% I find a lot of 6 and 7 animes are better than 8 and 9 anime. It's preference and people don't rate anime here objectively more so on what suits their preference all mal scores do is show how in line with the preferences of the majority of the english audience they are Mod Edit: Merged duplicated posts; please use the edit button. |
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| I think the mistakes so far in this adaptation are the voice acting. It's not really delivering. Like that Bear brother, his tone makes it hard to take his explanation seriously, making the anime looks like a joke. |
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| It's cause LN is mostly rated by Japan readers. While anime like this site is rated by US and EU watchers. Japan watchers don't come and rate anime at this site, they do so at their Japanese anime sites. |
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SunnySelenophile said: Personally I have read 2 or 3 (it's been a while) of these novels, and frankly, it was alright. Good first book, and very interesting plot gimmick. Unfortunately I felt it being far too formulaic in the second and third novels and subsequently got bored. Same. Those things (magical schools, isekais, VRMMOs in LN form) run out of steam pretty fast. Even if it has some quirky chars and nice plot points, it ends lost, as more and more plot points and more new chars just dont stop being introduced. Dropped Index because of that, it was a neverending clusterf*ck. They also almost allways tend to be harems. I don't truly mind a harem once or twice in a while (I even watched reverse harems in the past for the lulz), but some have their narrative literally HURTED by the harem element. AKA: SAO, Arifureta (ok, this one was just plain bad, but point stands) and Shield Hero. |
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Fabris said: Incidentally, Infinite Dendrogram also has a cast the size of a phone book and approximately thirty plot threads that are not going anywhere fast. I generally like multiple intertwined plot threads and a large cast for world-building, but there comes a point when the plot really needs to move forward decisively. Otherwise, the story will eventually run out of steam, and the signs are already there.SunnySelenophile said: Personally I have read 2 or 3 (it's been a while) of these novels, and frankly, it was alright. Good first book, and very interesting plot gimmick. Unfortunately I felt it being far too formulaic in the second and third novels and subsequently got bored. Same. Those things (magical schools, isekais, VRMMOs in LN form) run out of steam pretty fast. Even if it has some quirky chars and nice plot points, it ends lost, as more and more plot points and more new chars just dont stop being introduced. Dropped Index because of that, it was a neverending clusterf*ck. |
TheDeedsOfMen said: Fabris said: Incidentally, Infinite Dendrogram also has a cast the size of a phone book and approximately thirty plot threads that are not going anywhere fast. I generally like multiple intertwined plot threads and a large cast for world-building, but there comes a point when the plot really needs to move forward decisively. Otherwise, the story will eventually run out of steam, and the signs are already there.Same. Those things (magical schools, isekais, VRMMOs in LN form) run out of steam pretty fast. Even if it has some quirky chars and nice plot points, it ends lost, as more and more plot points and more new chars just dont stop being introduced. Dropped Index because of that, it was a neverending clusterf*ck. Which vol are you at? Cause after vol 3-5, Franklin's Game, the build up of vol 6-10 is about the build up of war with Dryfe which is literally the next arc, and then push into the battle royale forming at Caldina. The plot is moving at a decent pace, yeah sure, there are side stories, but they don't deviate from the main plot. The main plot of faction wars (mainly between the Native factions and the Incarnations) is getting pushed at a steady pace, with every vol contributing to it. So I don't get what you are talking about with the stagnation. |
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ap1001 said: I have read 10 volumes, which I believe is everything in English so far.TheDeedsOfMen said: Incidentally, Infinite Dendrogram also has a cast the size of a phone book and approximately thirty plot threads that are not going anywhere fast. I generally like multiple intertwined plot threads and a large cast for world-building, but there comes a point when the plot really needs to move forward decisively. Otherwise, the story will eventually run out of steam, and the signs are already there. Which vol are you at? Cause after vol 3-5, Franklin's Game, the build up of vol 6-10 is about the build up of war with Dryfe which is literally the next arc, and then push into the battle royale forming at Caldina. The plot is moving at a decent pace, yeah sure, there are side stories, but they don't deviate from the main plot. The main plot of faction wars (mainly between the Native factions and the Incarnations) is getting pushed at a steady pace, with every vol contributing to it. So I don't get what you are talking about with the stagnation. You are right about the build-up being there, but spending so many volumes on it is a bit too much. It could have been done far more quickly. What it would need to do is: - make some of the fight scenes shorter and cut some of the fights against random monsters (volume 7 felt especially filler-like because of this), - cut some of the generic romcom and slapstick dialogue that doesn't contribute anyway, not even in terms of romance or comedy itself, - cut some of the over-explaining of what the reader could decipher on their own based on information already available, - invest more in the personalities and motives of the characters so that the time spent on them feels more meaningful (this includes Ray himself, by the way). That said, many of the other light novels are far slower, so I don't think Infinite Dendrogram is particularly bad at it. It is just the curse of LNs in general. The author clearly has a plan, which is something that can't be said for many other LNs, but it will take a long time to get there. |
redcobra said: 4. Today anime not like 90s era that have 1 hour - 40 minutes - 30 minutes. Most anime today just 23 minutes and yeah imagine cramps all content in LN in freaking 23 minutes 12 episode. The fuck are you talking about? Even in 90s tv anime episodes length was ~23 minutes. Yes, there was more 2 cour series but there was as much series during a year as now are during one season. Also light novels weren't adapted as often as past Haruhi and Shana success. For example: Slayers, LN adaptation from 90s, 26 episodes long seasons, 23 min/ep. |
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| I've got to agree with those that say it's mostly over hype from readers since for much that it pains me to accept it, most of these LN are as repetitive and flat as CGDCT but afaik I never see anyone over hyping them all over the place so its scoring is let to just its niche audience. |
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