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SSL443 said: Devil_Slayer said: I am not sure, but the rage shield just fills him with negative emotions all the time hence why he act like a dick and pretty cold for people around except the one that are close to him. In other words he is an ass because that's what the story needs. What do mean by that? Enlighten me please. |
Cleckeroo said: At first he hates how powerless he was before the curse starts and then the curse fuels his rage by making him remember what happened to him in the 1st and 4th episode and how he hates the world he is in now. I mean considering how quickly he has bounced back from every "setback" it's a bit silly to imagine that he would go full ragemode without some mechanism that is forcing him to do that. He really hasn't suffered enough to justify flying off the handle; the way he interacts with average people makes him come off like a spoiled, entitled brat, frankly. Hard to sympathize with. Cleckeroo said: If you remember in episode 4 he already unlocks the curse series so even if he forgot about the situation in that episode, the curse will always reminds him on that situation and ignites his rage to the full extent. Where is the "curse series" supposed to have even come from? It's yet another plot device with no foreshadowing whatsoever. The correct place to introduce or foreshadow the curse would have been in the very first episode, so that it is established as a central concept from the get-go. That's the whole point of foreshadowing and why it is needed. Then it could come to a head in episode 4, and finally lead to consequences in episode 8. |
BarnaldMar 2, 2019 1:46 AM
SSL443 said: Devil_Slayer said: I am not sure, but the rage shield just fills him with negative emotions all the time hence why he act like a dick and pretty cold for people around except the one that are close to him. In other words he is an ass because that's what the story needs. Isn't that the case with every work of fiction? Naofumi get framed because the story needs him to, he got a slave because the story wants him to get one, AND he is the shield hero in the first place because the story needs him to be. This is the case with every work of fiction my friend. You just need a good and acceptable way to get from point "A" to point "B" Now, whatever you think this is a good reason for why he acts this way or not is your own opinion but at least the story attempt to explain this plot point "I also think his reason for acting edgy is a bit cheap but whatever" |
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jaxensounds said: It was a bit short but it showed what it had to. That the shield tries to control Naofumi. Also it is called cursed series because it also hurts the user.From the point of view of someone with no knowledge of the manga or webnovel, this episode is quite a dissapointment. I mean, the build up to Naofumi's Rage Shield was awesome, but the tension suddenly just dropped when Firo was shown to be alive, and is the one who actualy killed the dragon. The true power of Curse Series isn't really shown clearly, ruining all the hype that's been happening for the past week. This episode just lost tension way too quickly. |
FreezePeach said: Their name is so similar I confused them too. Yes Melty is great.Codi_Lee said: Melty is ok, you probably hate Malty.Is no one worried about the title of the next episode, "Melty"? Hate that bitch. |
SSL443 said: Cleckeroo said: At first he hates how powerless he was before the curse starts and then the curse fuels his rage by making him remember what happened to him in the 1st and 4th episode and how he hates the world he is in now. I mean considering how quickly he has bounced back from every "setback" it's a bit silly to imagine that he would go full ragemode without some mechanism that is forcing him to do that. He really hasn't suffered enough to justify flying off the handle; the way he interacts with average people makes him come off like a spoiled, entitled brat, frankly. Hard to sympathize with. What do you mean it needs mechanism to force him? Give me some examples please I'm confused. All I know is he can go full ragemode if the curse activates by feeding negative emotions from the user itself. IMO Naofumi has suffered a lot emotionally and psychologically because of that accusation he was branded a rapist which is a bad thing especially when you are a Hero. The way he interacts to the villagers are justified if you put yourself into Naofumi's shoes you will find yourself doing that too because you are supposed to be desperate of surviving that world and by surviving that world you need money to buy more powerful equipment to fight for the waves. The only people that you can trust are your companions and others are potential traitors. I have no comment for how the curse series should be introduced because IMO episode 4 is the perfect time to introduce it and episode 8 being executed and knowing the consequences at episode 8. |
SSL443 said: I dunno where the curse series comes from, but I suspect that the weapons of the heroes originally belonged to the leaders of the waves.Cleckeroo said: At first he hates how powerless he was before the curse starts and then the curse fuels his rage by making him remember what happened to him in the 1st and 4th episode and how he hates the world he is in now. I mean considering how quickly he has bounced back from every "setback" it's a bit silly to imagine that he would go full ragemode without some mechanism that is forcing him to do that. He really hasn't suffered enough to justify flying off the handle; the way he interacts with average people makes him come off like a spoiled, entitled brat, frankly. Hard to sympathize with. Cleckeroo said: If you remember in episode 4 he already unlocks the curse series so even if he forgot about the situation in that episode, the curse will always reminds him on that situation and ignites his rage to the full extent. Where is the "curse series" supposed to have even come from? It's yet another plot device with no foreshadowing whatsoever. The correct place to introduce or foreshadow the curse would have been in the very first episode, so that it is established as a central concept from the get-go. That's the whole point of foreshadowing and why it is needed. Then it could come to a head in episode 4, and finally lead to consequences in episode 8. 2ego said: "Next episode gets dark" - some fuck said. False. When I got my hopes up that it will get at least A LITTLE bit more realistic and developed, NOP some magical superpower emerges because of some *tragedy* and a bunch of corny "I hate everyone!!" crap appears, and at the end NOBODY dies, everything ends HAPPILY. The excuse for Filo not dying is so painfully cringey & bad that it's even funny... Horrible episode as usual. Yep, sums it up. This is not just a problem with shield hero, but I wish anime would not pull their punches. Either Filo or Raphtalia could have died in this episode, but the author didn't have the guts to go through with it. |
Steinener_loewe said: Honestly, I don’t like the fact that filo can get eaten and stay alive without any further questions... I’m pretty sure, this won’t be the last time plot-armor came to use... ( nothing special against plot armor but I just didn’t really expect it in this anime) In the source material they had mentioned that all the usable parts of the dragon, such as teeth and claws, were removed. Thus swallowing Filo whole like a snake was all it could do... This episode should have done the same, the chomp scene would have made a little more sense. I also wish this had been a two parter, leaving the audience a week to think Filo was dead. Codi_Lee said: Is no one worried about the title of the next episode, "Melty"? Hate that bitch. What's wrong with Melty? |
BarnaldMar 2, 2019 1:44 AM
SSL443 said: Really? He doesn't expect people to reward him for anything, so he always tells them upfront that he doesn't do things for free, except when he actually wants to do things for free. And he knows perfectly, what common people can afford, so his prices are never unreasonable. That's how spoiled people act? He doesn't tell people "I'm sorry" every time he demands payment for the job. So far he never came to the place with any kind of expectation that people will recognize him as a hero and will "treat him accordingly". So it makes him entitled? He plays exactly in a way that would tell "I don't do charity, don't send people to search for me to save your day", he basically tries to erase an image of a hero from himself, because he doesn't have a backup king behind him to pay for all his expanses.the way he interacts with average people makes him come off like a spoiled, entitled brat, frankly. Hard to sympathize with. I also disliked "miraculous save" of Filo. World was displayed as unforgiving and unapologetic. It still tries to, displayed by the fact that rotting corpse of a dragon doesn't just "disappear" like in a game. But here you go, loli-bird gets swallowed by undead dragon, so she just gulps up his heart and gets out without a scratch. ¯_(ツ)_/¯ And only gods, and maybe an author, knows, how much XP did they get for that kill. Maybe makers should have chosen, do they make a cute or grim story? Not just cut it in half, first part filled with cute girls doing cute things, and second full of mixed emotions and drama. Mixing it doesn't work well for them so far. Tokyo Ghoul vibes. |
avilFeb 27, 2019 11:40 AM
| Oh god that was so fucking ugly and bad. I'm watching till the next wave if it's still as stupid and bad I'm out. Next episode might only be about them finding a cure for that retarded curse so waiting for the wave isn't worth it tbh. Goodbye rise of the edge hero 2/10 |
EsquirtitFeb 27, 2019 11:46 AM
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| I really like this series but man they really dropped the ball on this one. You can't go from 0 to 100 in 5 seconds and expect it to be impactful. There was no build up. Just "Filo got eaten, I'm mad now". The earlier teasers for the curse series during the tournament and in the castle were honestly more impactful than this, and he didn't even activate it at those points. By far the most engagement I had with this show was during the first 4 or so episodes where it was pure suffering. That was way more compelling than him traveling around helping out NPCs with monsters. Question for readers: Does this show go back to how it was during the first 4-5 eps, or is the suffering stuff gone for good? |
ex_necrossFeb 27, 2019 11:44 AM
| nice episode...finally the curse shown..it seems he was making a present of some sort...hmm |
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Thanjh said: This show started off as 9/10 but now it’s just slowly becoming more and more mediocre. Hard agree. I wish it went back to how it was. |
| Naofumi has to clean up Ren's mess this time. AT this point, he's just going around earning the villagers respect and gratitude by cleaning up all the messes that the other heroes left behind to forget. The Curse Series has finally appeared and to be honest, the way Naofumi lost his control and go berserk due to his hate felt underwhelming overall. It was much better presented during Naofumi's rage moment when he was duelling Motoyasu the assspear hero. And damn, it's this kind of cliche all over again... Close acquaintance gets hurt, rage, closest acquaintance calmed down the raging MC but got harmed whilst doing so. Then all seems to miraculously be alive and get together to convince themselves to do better next time. Cut me that bullcrap, I don't want this coming from a show rated above 8.0 in MAL! Then again, I do enjoy the ep, so it's cool! |
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| Thats a nice gesture from Naofumi creating gifts for the girls. Looks like the plague really is quite a bad one. It's fortunate that Naofumi and party arrived when they did to help the village. The dragon zombie though was quite the surprise. The fight against Z dragon sure was a tough one though. The curse shield though was an interesting power as it seemed to feed on Naofumi's hatred of the world and his desire for vengeance. Raphtalia though sure went far in bringing him back from the brink though. Funny how the mvp in the end was Filo who gutted the dragon from within. An excellent ep that while introducing a interesting new power for Naofumi also introduced a struggle of whether to use it due to the risk to his allies. It's nice that he chose to be honest to the party about this though. |
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Esquirtit said: Oh god that was so fucking ugly and bad. I'm watching till the next wave if it's still as stupid and bad I'm out. +1 This was literally the dumbest episode so far. |
avil said: Really? He doesn't expect people to reward him for anything, so he always tells them upfront that he doesn't do things for free, except when he actually wants to do things for free. And he knows perfectly, what common people can afford, so his prices are never unreasonable. That's how spoiled people act? He doesn't tell people "I'm sorry" every time he demands payment for the job. So far he never came to the place with any kind of expectation that people will recognize him as a hero and will "treat him accordingly". So it makes him entitled? He plays exactly in a way that would tell "I don't do charity, don't send people to search for me to save your day", he basically tries to erase an image of a hero from himself, because he doesn't have a backup king behind him to pay for all his expanses. I compare it to the witcher. Geralt treats the business side of his engagements with delicacy and is usually respectful and understanding of his clients. Seems like with Naofumi nothing is more important to him than telling people that he isn't up for free. He's walking around with a huge chip on his shoulder. Devil_Slayer said: Isn't that the case with every work of fiction? Naofumi get framed because the story needs him to, he got a slave because the story wants him to get one, AND he is the shield hero in the first place because the story needs him to be. This is the case with every work of fiction my friend. There's no narrative justification for him to be so filled with hate at this point, is what I mean. And he doesn't have an arc unless he is some kind of brooding edgelord. Yes, every story needs some inciting event to begin with but at some point the internal momentum and logic of the plot is what keeps things going. Devil_Slayer said: Now, whatever you think this is a good reason for why he acts this way or not is your own opinion but at least the story attempt to explain this plot point "I also think his reason for acting edgy is a bit cheap but whatever" That's what I'm saying, but without the "whatever". That's why I laughed when the whole "I hate everything" stuff came up; I'm just sitting there wondering where the hell that was supposed to have come from. I think the fundamental issue is that the author knew what he wanted to have in this story, but he doesn't know how to get there. |
| This episode once again confirmed my suspicion that as long as the show is far removed from its central conflict which is horribly executed it actually manages to be decent and enjoyable in my book. I'm still not fully on board with Naofumi's victimization & the emotions he is feeling due to that because the source of his hatred, that being Malty & co, just are not convincing villains/antagonists, but reaffirming the tight bond our group has certainly struck a cord with me. I'm pleased with the past 3 episodes contrary to the ones before that and I hope the show continues to head in that direction. |
FappaFeb 27, 2019 12:31 PM
| Hate the characters so much. Naofumi is a self insert, Raphtalia is generic and basic with zero substance and Firo should not have existed. 3/5 episode. Better than the last one but still sucks. Iirc it just went downhill from here in the manga especially the revenge on Myne and the King by the Shield Hero was anticlimactic and plain bad. |
| "Life is too bitter, so coffee, at least should be sweet..." - Hikigaya Hachiman (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatte Iru) |
| Decide to go for the dub instead of the subs for a change, so Naofumi is going major badass , good thing Raptalia was able to bring him back to the light, and Filo was jaz indestructible. So, that plague was cause by the sword hero, who thought he slain it but forgot to take out the stone. So next ep we'll be introduce to Melty |
JiangHaoyi1979Feb 27, 2019 12:53 PM
SSL443 said: Good comparison, but not fair one. And you most likely meant Gerlat and some members of his school, not "witchers" in general. Also witchers taught to be that way since they're kids. I guess, I don't even have to mention the difference in age and time spent in the world. Geralt from the book would demand money from commoners if he knew they can afford it, and would threaten them with (mostly indirect) kind of violence if they didn't pay up. He would "just leave" taking nothing only if he knew taking payment is likely to harm someone, and Naofumi looks like that type. He doesn't expect people to pay with money, or pay immediately.I compare it to the witcher. Geralt treats the business side of his engagements with delicacy and is usually respectful and understanding of his clients. |
| That episode was AMAZING! What the hell is that shield all about?! I totally get Naofumi losing all sense and giving in to his hate with the cursed shield but he needs to remember that he has people who love and care about him! |
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| Good episode! Curse shield is quite interesting, however it hasn't really shown much yet though. Some much needed development, Naofumi realising that if he gets consumed by his negative emotions, he might end up hurting the ones he cared about. Not gonna lie, the one thing bothering me this episode... Filo should have been punished by Naofumi for acting so rash in battle. CG Dragon wasn't too bad! I definitely was surprised when it was still "alive". |
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Hime03 said: I dont want to be that guy, but the quality of the show is declining, the last few eps are making me feel disappointed each wednesday-this should be the highlight of my wednesday bruh. I think myself and any other LN reader here have stated that the first arc, aka the first 4 episodes, are the best of the show so far. I have no problems with the direction the LN gone after the first arc, it was needed. Later on this show does dwelve in some generic tropes you may not like, but it still does well enough to make me happy, mainly since it is just fun to read about these characters for me. And it almost feels like playing RPG myself. Rising Shield got too popular, too quickly, and left people with the impression that it would always stay within the realms of how ep1-4 are like, which no, that doesnt happen at all. If you are here for some really unique plot and groundbreaking, wasnt done before, characters, turn away, or tame your expectations. |
PlaycoolFeb 27, 2019 1:45 PM
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kiza1379 said: I rewatch it a bit to check. the claws and teeths are still in tact. Doesn't matter though, since the dragon didn't chew her, but only swallowed her. So she wasn't hurt initially from him. While I think the situation could've been handled differently (with her being badly hurt to trigger the shield, maybe through his fault, like in the manga) it isn't that unbelievable for her to survive that. But all in all, after watching the episode again with a friend, I think it would've worked better as a two parter. First part being more of a build up in the village or for the fight and ending it with Filo being eaten, second part would then be the part with Naofumi's shield and then everything afterwards. Just to give everything more time. I enjoyed this episode, but I have the feeling they are just rushing through everything and I don't understand why. After the first two episodes or so I thought Filo should hatch at around episode 8. And now it had happened in ep 5 already. I am just really, really confused why the pacing is so damn fast. |
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Raphtalia1 said: bad episodes this show is getting more ordinary, by the way I'm an LN and manga fan, when the studio decided to make this anime, I initially put high hopes that this would be the best anime work, but everything worsened, the best episode part was only the first episode who succeeded in building emotions and also the best part of the opening and closing, the rest was just garbage without characterization and they were now destroying audience tension, thanks to the studio kinema citrus for showing terrible performances from top LN and Manga I admit this episode dropped the ball, but aren't you being a little too critical of the episodes that came before it? You seemed to be enjoying those well enough. Admittedly, i'm slightly worried by this episode because it could be a sign of things to come. |
| I was rooting for the dragon. Shame fat bird didn't die, it was such a lame cop out. Not to mention a really idiotic line "how dare you kill Firo"... it was defending itself... Curse shield design was pretty disappointing as well. It has much more "presence" in the manga. Manga went downhill pretty quick, I assume LN isn't better and the anime isn't doing it much service as well. I guess it's ok to stick for some moments but it's better to not expect much from this series. |
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kiza1379 said: BlackLatias said: Doesn't matter though, since the dragon didn't chew her, but only swallowed her. So she wasn't hurt initially from him. While I think the situation could've been handled differently (with her being badly hurt to trigger the shield, maybe through his fault, like in the manga) it isn't that unbelievable for her to survive that. But all in all, after watching the episode again with a friend, I think it would've worked better as a two parter. First part being more of a build up in the village or for the fight and ending it with Filo being eaten, second part would then be the part with Naofumi's shield and then everything afterwards. Just to give everything more time. I enjoyed this episode, but I have the feeling they are just rushing through everything and I don't understand why. After the first two episodes or so I thought Filo should hatch at around episode 8. And now it had happened in ep 5 already. I am just really, really confused why the pacing is so damn fast. So can we say the blame is on the director for not adapting exactly? You mean the part with the dragon? It wasn't exactly adapted wrong, you saw that the dragon simply swallowed her and didn't chew before or anything. I don't remember everything from the LN and don't have the volumes with me, otherwise I could've read again if something was done differently with that scene. Yeah I kinda agree with split it into 2 part. That would escalate the buildup a lot better. I am not a manga reader or LN reader so idk if it is fast paced or anything or they skipped anything, but i think so far so adaption is good but this episode is literally trash thanks to that dragon scenes that ruined it all. Yes, it would've done that. I didn't think the dragon was bad per se, just very anticlimatic. The fight against the dragon itself wasn't even half the episode and if they just would've given that fight some time it could've been way better. The adaption overall is alright, but it did get weaker after episode 4 passed and I think it is partially because they really rush it. |
| I was expecting something better, atleast it wasnt as boring as the last EP, but with the episode title of curse shield I expected more drama. So its confirmed all the other heroes are idiots. Also, this has been buggin me for a while, but now they actually talked about getting stronger. Why does he care more about money than grinding exp? As I see it he should be spending 95% of his time leveling up to be safe. Why is he suddenly acting as if he only cares about money? Is the leveling part implied but skipped? I guess farming mob would be boring, but atleast talk about it please. Also, raphi ages with her level, will she look like a granny at lvl 100? Will she look like a Jojo character at lvl 100? Doesnt she actually age anymore and that was just 5 minutes of convenient writing or "Araki forgot"? I really want this series to be special, the feel good isekai is already slime, so this should be the mature one. But well its barely half of a cour so far, I guess we have room to improve, or rather go back to where it started. Im really glad this gets 2 cours, otherwise this would probably sort of suck. PS: do only the heroes see the world with an UI overlay? Or donother characters get that as well and nobody talks about it because its normal? |
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| Another episode that contributes nothing to the narrative, is simply to reiterate that other heroes are not heroic while praising the protagonist at the expense of muddying others, clearly has advantages and skills that others do not have, but does not fall into the category of the rest of MC from isekai because they made him bullying some cretins, that's why we should support him. |
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Comander-07 said: Also, raphi ages with her level, will she look like a granny at lvl 100? Will she look like a Jojo character at lvl 100? Doesnt she actually age anymore and that was just 5 minutes of convenient writing or "Araki forgot"? Raphtalia explained that to Naofumi at end of episode four. "When demi-humans are younger, they age when they level." They stop leveling once they reach adulthood, as there would be no purpose in aging past your prime. |
Killuan said: ah alright, so its pretty much convenience then.Comander-07 said: Also, raphi ages with her level, will she look like a granny at lvl 100? Will she look like a Jojo character at lvl 100? Doesnt she actually age anymore and that was just 5 minutes of convenient writing or "Araki forgot"? Raphtalia explained that to Naofumi at end of episode four. "When demi-humans are younger, they age when they level." They stop leveling once they reach adulthood, as there would be no purpose in aging past your prime. |
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Comander-07 said: Killuan said: ah alright, so its pretty much convenience then.Raphtalia explained that to Naofumi at end of episode four. "When demi-humans are younger, they age when they level." They stop leveling once they reach adulthood, as there would be no purpose in aging past your prime. I guess..? But it makes sense from the standpoint that a demi-human isn't technically a human...And in order for them to take advantage of their levels they would need a body fit to match their level.Kind of like how a monster evolves the higher the level they are. |
| Can't say I'm not disappointed with the past few episodes. The direction has been terrible, it feels like the director is completely different from episode 1-4. The music is so out-of-place... When Filo got eaten, I felt nothing, literally nothing, from the scene. I had more sympathy for Raphtalia in Episode 2 and that was her introductory episode! Is it the way she's presented, is it just this episode, either way, it's a disappointment. |
Aniteku said: No one wanted her to die. People didn't want directors to destroy the feeling of a world that doesn't forgive silliness, carelessness and mistakes. So far Filo is a character that can be thrown into any kind of danger and get out untouched, what completely destroys all the tension built up until now.Omg whats with people wishing for filo to die? What sick fetish do you guys have? This ep was way better then the manga just wished the fight were longer but this isnt a shonen they dont have the time and this was basically a teaser for the curse shield it wasnt even fully powered up yet. |
Aniteku said: ok i can understand that but there are coments saying they droping this series just bc she dint die. But there will be times were filo will get badly injured specialy in 2nd wave |
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