Date A Live III between hope and disappointment

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I don't want to be a pessimistic annoying dude but despite the positive side of things, there are as equal is not more negative things to this.
First, why JC Staff? They could have perfectly picked another studio if JC Staff was so busy with other projects but instead we get this. The key visual which is a promotional item that is supposed to appeal to the public is bad, they just went and copy/pasted all the spirits except Shidou and Natsumi. When it came out, it sparked a bit of an outrage among japanese fans, you can go check it out on twitter, the comments are there and the PV confirms the fear of having off-model characters.

What pisses me off the most is they're about to destroy one of the best arcs in DAL, loved by ALL the fans who've read the LN. They're about to destroy that and we can't do anything about it, just sit and watch it happen like that. Animeonlys were supposed to love this season from the get-go but look at where we're at, everyone who was eagerly waiting for this no longer bother. And they still expect to sell a lot of copies when all the promotional stuff has been this lackluster? Give me a break, if they were going to trash it, they might as well cancel it before it's too late. Heck, they could postpone it but I know they won't becuase they don't care what happens to this LN and it pains me. Lerche, Liden Films, Nut, all those smaller but great studios that have potential and get rarely works to animate would have done a much better job.

If episode 1 is already looking bad in some scenes, I don't want to imagine what will happen later down the road, the story reaches one big high in this season and they're gonna butcher it and feel proud about it.

Dec 31, 2018 9:50 AM

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Jc staff should be blamed and there are no reason for it not to be since it is far from a dying studio
"For now, DAL 3 have no animation issue, it's an art style issue." The pv is full of animation issues it isn't just the crappy art

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Dec 31, 2018 10:04 AM

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@Akerakai JC staff isn't considering DAL 3 as a priority project, so their main force isn't working on it.

And like I said, this isn't animation issue, there are no deformation or problem with fluidity (at least for episode 1)

But yes, the more character are on screen, the less movement there are, and the more the art style drop.

Dec 31, 2018 10:07 AM

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@JonasDown
>They could have perfectly picked another studio
Impossible, other studios have likely their hand full and producers can't delay it because the LN will end nearly.

But you are right to be afraid, this isn't reassuring.

But we have to wait the end of DAL 3 to judge it.
To judge the animation, the music, the plot and character.

It's to early to judge, episode 1 isn't not available yet.

Dec 31, 2018 10:07 AM

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how is that supposed to make me think that Jc staff shouldn't be blamed?
If anything it is another reason for them to be blamed

And dunno how many shots from the pv are from episode 1 but it doesn't matter it is full of deformations and lack of fluidity

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Dec 31, 2018 10:15 AM

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You are right, saying that there are not to blame is not right.
Depending the reason, didn't they have enough time or did they just not care about this project?
We Don't know

Dec 31, 2018 10:20 AM

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MrBefruit said:
@JonasDown
>They could have perfectly picked another studio
Impossible, other studios have likely their hand full and producers can't delay it because the LN will end nearly.

But you are right to be afraid, this isn't reassuring.

But we have to wait the end of DAL 3 to judge it.
To judge the animation, the music, the plot and character.

It's to early to judge, episode 1 isn't not available yet.

It doesn't matter if the LN is nearing the climax, if you're gonna do a shit job then don't do it in the first place. All of us who read the LN were perfectly fine with not having more seasons and we were just enjoying the story at this point. Lots of source material that is finished still get anime nowadays and it doesn't matter that it's finished, they still go through with it. Was it so difficult to air the new season in spring or fall? JC Staff, Kadokawa, the producers, they simply don't give a crap about DAL.

Dec 31, 2018 10:23 AM

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@JonasDown
>It doesn't matter if the LN is nearing the climax, if you're gonna do a shit job then don't do it in the first place.

Did they care? As long as producers make profit, they don't care.

Dec 31, 2018 6:49 PM

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JonasDown said:

Well if they don't give a crap we wouldn't have a Pv or a s3 now would we? As someone who went to the pre screening, Mr. Befruit's original comment is nearly on point. The pre screening of episode 1 was decent, at least for me and my friends who watched it in Shinjuku. While it may seem like a last minute dump by the production committee for JC staff to work on
DAL 3(which mostly a lot seem to think), the main staff from the past season are returning, however I share the same sentiment as Befruit, its still too early to judge. Hopefully (my expectations are always low. I'd rather not put unexpectedly high standards when we practically don't know how Jc staff will handle DAL3's adaptation.) As an animator, I'm going in with minimal standards and will enjoy the season nonetheless despite the flaws.

IzayoiArashiDec 31, 2018 6:53 PM

Jan 1, 2019 4:54 AM

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JonasDown said:

Unfortunately for us not every single person on this planet shares the same thought, especially western people who are obsessed with the so called "sakuga" and if any anime has an animation below the average, that equals to having no value, that's how people see it here. Even though japanese anime fans are more forgiving in this aspect, they still have standards they stick to, I've seen personally japanese fans who were taking it to twitter asking for this season of DAL to be delayed, that's how bad it was for a few individuals. I don't mind bland designs, colors and animation myself, so long you draw the characters properly. When you draw the characters off-model and even worse, in the first episode, that speaks wonders about the overall quality of this season and then we have a problem.

I could understand the dip in quality for season 2, what happened was very unfortunate becuase that season killed a great part of the fandom here and in Japan but that was nearly 5 years ago. After all that time you'd think they would take things differently, learned from their mistakes, reassure fans etc but that hasn't happened yet and we're off to a good start with Tohka, Yuzuru etc looking deformed. That means they don't care one bit for this series, they just care about the last bits of money it can make before it ends.

Believe or not, the fandom here is actually pretty wide and everyone's dissapointed, nobody in our group wants to go through another badly animated season again like what happened with season 2. It's like the staff is proud of their past mistakes and are embracing them.

Also the director Keitaro Motonaga isn't exactly bright is he? He's always adding god damn filler and wasting man-power and money on stupid filler instead of animating what actually matters. Did he actually cut out the Miku interrogation scene where they talk about the entity that turned her into a spirit for a pointless scene of Shido and co trying to eat some bizarre cooking? I came to this season with really low expectations and yet somehow I'm still let down, just stop. So many people on this side of the world are so tired of this bullshit, if you can't animate this shit properly, at least keep the story intact but you can't even do that. Then we don't need this new season, they keep fucking up every single time.

FhpZodJan 1, 2019 11:28 AM

Jan 1, 2019 5:28 AM

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Hello and happy new year 2019 to you

Then I am very excited to see this new season.

It is true that the style has changed well in good or bad it remains personal to everyone.
On the other hand I find it null and void this hatred against a project that has not yet come out and even reached the end. I can understand that many are disappointed for the artistic style and want to make it known, but from the â Cree to the execution this is not useful and does not encourage the work to do a sequel.

Also I read that most of the people who saw the 1 episode pointed out that the story was good and true to the LN, good music and a casting always as good as the previous seasons.

After everyone has free to watch this season or not, personally I look forward to it with great animation quality or not (after many say that it is not aceptable to stylish graphics in 2018, but it doesn’t mean anything, because if you look at video games you have Minecaft, Undertale and Deltarun, which are quite recent, using old school graphics). After people who are really disappointed they either don’t look at or show their dissatisfaction in a more intelligent way that allows them to progress in the right way and help improve and encourage continuity.

PS: As many say, we are lucky to have a new season after 5 years and that the PV is one thing and that the show is another.

This is just my personal opinion and I understand the other opinions of all thanks .

Sorry my English,

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Jan 1, 2019 10:46 AM

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I don't know what to think.
Let's just wait.

Jan 1, 2019 11:25 AM

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I agree with you, Only time can answer this

Jan 1, 2019 11:44 AM

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Misterfrench said:
Hello and happy new year 2019 to you

Then I am very excited to see this new season.

It is true that the style has changed well in good or bad it remains personal to everyone.
On the other hand I find it null and void this hatred against a project that has not yet come out and even reached the end. I can understand that many are disappointed for the artistic style and want to make it known, but from the â Cree to the execution this is not useful and does not encourage the work to do a sequel.

Also I read that most of the people who saw the 1 episode pointed out that the story was good and true to the LN, good music and a casting always as good as the previous seasons.

After everyone has free to watch this season or not, personally I look forward to it with great animation quality or not (after many say that it is not aceptable to stylish graphics in 2018, but it doesn’t mean anything, because if you look at video games you have Minecaft, Undertale and Deltarun, which are quite recent, using old school graphics). After people who are really disappointed they either don’t look at or show their dissatisfaction in a more intelligent way that allows them to progress in the right way and help improve and encourage continuity.

PS: As many say, we are lucky to have a new season after 5 years and that the PV is one thing and that the show is another.

This is just my personal opinion and I understand the other opinions of all thanks .

Sorry my English,

Nice days

I'm mad and I'm being reasonable about it for the reason I stated above several times now. Why would I want a new season if I knew they were not going to give a damn and just butcher it all the way through animation-wise and narrative-wise?

It appears you guys need someone who has read the novels in order to enlighten you. Animation aside, this season was SUPPOSED to start right after volume 7 where Shidou and Miku took on Dark Tohka and managed to bring her back. After Miku was sealed the next volume starts in the Fraxinus with Shidou, Miku and Kotori in a room where Kotori is asking her questions about the being that turned Miku into a spirit. Instead we get a fucking original scene of Shidou and the spirits in the Itsuka residence trying to eat some idiotic food becuase why not, let's ignore important plot points, cut them out and add fucking filler. Keitaro Motonaga is probably the worst part of the anime becuase he's the director and he's always thought it's a good idea to cut all the scenes where Phantom (the entity that turns humans into spirits) appears, that's another reason why I'm mad and why surely most anitubers, reviewers out there will think this is another trashy harem based on the anime. Not to mention awful drawn characters in the first episode, a really embarrasing key visual of samefaces where no effort was put, and overpriced BD and DVD bundles.

You guys are taking it too lightly, I won't stand for it.

FhpZodJan 1, 2019 11:48 AM

Jan 1, 2019 12:54 PM

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Hello

My message is not addressed to you in particular. If you have taken it for yourself and moreover, I sincerely apologize.

I understand your anger and understand your argumentation that I find legitimate on several points. (I also read the LN to Volume 19).

The one where I want to come up with my opinion (which is therefore personal and which I impose on people) his that I do not understand this hatred (in general) on something that has not yet come out or that is not finished for judgment. Moreover, what I find unhealthy is that instead of taking a step backward and doing something positive we criticize a work that is free by pointing to the finger that we realize something that we ourselves have not done. We live in the digital age and social networks so we could make a petition or other to show our opinion in a constructive way.

Then I fully understand the fact that J;C Staff is being criticized which is at the realization, but then it is also necessary to see what the author of Date a Live who follows the project and who has any moment can express are opinion on the issue ( Example of Mr.King who criticized all the adaptation films of his books). For the time being, he has not expressed anything positive or negative to see.

Personally I stay in the opening. Date a Live is one of the animations that makes me change my mind about the series of Japanese animation, because being an amateur admirer of animation in general I did not want to stay on my position as detached.

Once again this is my current opinion and I am imposing it on no one. And I still want to apologize Mr JonasDown if you mistook my previous message (probably from my appalling English writing) and that the fact that it is written does not allow a good transcription of my remarks

Again sorry for my English

Nice days

Jan 1, 2019 2:55 PM

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There were some scenes but it isn't as bad and hope will not be like that anime last season. Anyways we can't judge with PVs or CMs alone.

Jan 1, 2019 3:00 PM

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Yes, chara design is too simplistic and lifeless, but for now it is not that bad, still acceptable.

Jan 2, 2019 1:20 AM

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LeNitrous said:
There were some scenes but it isn't as bad and hope will not be like that anime last season. Anyways we can't judge with PVs or CMs alone.

Yes I agree we can not judge a book by its cover because it only gives a small glimpse of an all

Jan 2, 2019 4:35 PM

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The PV looks poor .

Jan 2, 2019 5:08 PM

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Misterfrench said:
Hello

Moreover, what I find unhealthy is that instead of taking a step backward and doing something positive we criticize a work that is free by pointing to the finger that we realize something that we ourselves have not done. We live in the digital age and social networks so we could make a petition or other to show our opinion in a constructive way.

Then I fully understand the fact that J;C Staff is being criticized which is at the realization, but then it is also necessary to see what the author of Date a Live who follows the project and who has any moment can express are opinion on the issue ( Example of Mr.King who criticized all the adaptation films of his books). For the time being, he has not expressed anything positive or negative to see.

There have been many complains from dissapointed fans that have especifically asked to delay the broadcast, so not everyone is standing still and doing nothing. However they won't follow suit with those requests and delay it just like that, the premiere remains and they started the countdown already so yeah, they don't care much about our feelings.

The author just like the rest of other writers, artists and mangakas, can't do anything about it, he's not directly involved in the production of the anime nor is he a part of the production committe that decide what to do. Authors are just powerless when it comes to this type of stuff, of course they can be angry but that won't change anything. A work of fiction can be butchered in many different ways but the most common would be animation quality and narrative of the story. Unfortunately for us season 1 already suffered one of these with the brilliant director Keitaro Motonaga, cutting out important scenes and replacing them with stupid filler. But what made up for that was the beatifully drawn characters that showed personality. Then, season 2 came and with it, unstable animation quality.

This third season seems to be the worst out of every season so far when in reality this should be the most polished, worked on, accurate and faithful adaptation so far. Cheap animation can't be allowed, especially in this season and neither filler that would replace important scenes which unfortunately appears to be the case.

You said you read the novels right? Then I can't undertand how you can't be angry when you know what's coming, yeah the first half is going to be light-hearted again with Shidou trying to seal Natsumi but after that comes the serious-toned, bloody, despair and action-packed second half which completely changes this series. Literally so many people that I can't even count are so mad this is driving them crazy, not gonna even mention the chinese fans who are the most devoted fans of this series, I took a few peeks at forums and man they are so angry.

Just accept it, this is not going to be what you expect, the quality won't suddenly improve out of nowhere when they haven't promoted the show at all, the key visual is embarrasing to say the least and the PV is an insult to all of us. I'm not even mad anymore, I just feel empty at this point becuase it was their last chance at letting everyone know that DAL is not another generic trashy harem but looks like that will be the status quo.

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Jan 3, 2019 1:31 AM

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Hello to you

I am well aware that the author is not involved in the realization of the adaptation, I am simply saying that for the moment he has neither had a positive or negative return on his part.

Regarding the adaptations of a literary work in general whether it is in series or in film of all genres is a complex mechanism discussed for several factors.

- There is the direction to realization that performs the choices of direction with the possibility of added, removed or modified: This is the director’s free artistic choice and there are as many as there are people on Earth
- There is also the worrying of putting into production that defines which is feasible to put into the adaptation (this is more valid in the making of film has taken a real view than in the animation.
- There is also the financed side that counts as the total amount that the project commentator has made available for implementation. Here I admit that the choice of using this sum is up to the director)

There are many others, but the point I want to make is that a literary adaptation results from personal expectation of each person (although it is true that many times this remains very disappointing especially when we entrust the realization to people who know nothing about the universe of the original work). An adaptation according to me will never be at the height of are literary work because it provides more details and reflects the real thought of its author than a series or a film.
The solution would be to have the work done by the author or in close collaboration with him. and still I know examples or despite the author being at the command of adaptation it was also a great disappointment for the fans. Also the term fans is an abstract and complex concept that cannot be folded by the fact that we are all different.

To get back to Dal, when I discovered them with the animated adaptation in 2013, the first season left me a desire to discover more about the universe and therefore the original work that I started to read.
After finishing the chapters that constituted the episodes, I was disappointed with the adaptation (like most adaptations or I read it) as you said there were many cuts in prestigious events.
This was also the case for season 2 which this time I had read before seeing and that even more disappointed for some points.

But this did not prevent me from enjoying the adaptation without taking too much into account the elements of the LN, because I always told myself that if I started criticizing all the adaptations of the books I read so much I no longer watched movies or series from books that will disappoint.
So I take into account that for me I place the original work above the adaptations because it is the best (even if there are adaptations that are better than the original works.

After I am well aware that nothing can change the facts and that it will neither have a good fairy that at a stroke of a magic wand will make miracles with respect to the visual of the PV and that nothing can change for this season except a correction for the comic and DVD versions as for the most part animated

I agree with you that if a person starts Dal with this season, he will not want to go to discover the LN ( Because great numbers of animates are there to make craving and advertise at the mangas, LN and others) because he will think that his just one harem among others.

So right now I’m not taking a stand on something that hasn’t started or finished. It will be when I have all the keys in my hands that I will make my final and especially personal opinion.

However, I want to thank you, JonasDown, for respecting my opinions and being a very pleasant conversation partner. I will stay tuned for all your arguments and of course until the end of the season to discuss.

Of course this is valid for all

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Jan 4, 2019 12:29 PM

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I think we should leave this with an F

Jan 4, 2019 3:22 PM

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Look, I want to keep an open mind and a positive attitude regarding Date A Live III because I've been waiting for this new season for a long time. Date A Live is one of my favorite TV shows and I mostly guide myself through the anime seasons and the movie. I'm not much of a light novel reader, so I wouldn't know how to judge how closely will the new season will follow the source material. Either way, I can hope the show is good nonetheless.

Yes, the animation on the PV doesn't look like something viewers would expect from a modern anime production but the truth is that Date A Live will be remembered for more than just its visual effects. Date A Live will stand or fall by the strength of its narrative and characters. Good visual effects should enhance the anime experience, not make it. I've said it and I'm sure I'll say it again. I've watched anime that have made the serious mistake of thinking that excellent animation can somehow compensate for lousy storytelling (Captain Earth, Taboo Tattoo), and while having good visual effects is a major bonus, I'd much rather have Date A Live to be remembered for its likable characters and interesting story.

My hope for Date A Live III is that it reunites the Date A Live fanbase to some degree, but apparently, hating on Date A Live has become more popular than loving it. It also seems that fans of either the LNs or the previous seasons are unwilling to find a way to enjoy Date A Live III or fit that season into their personal canon. I think J.C.Staff should find a way to embrace the fans of both the source material and the previous anime in a way that allows the anime to be more successful.

This isn't just about J.C.Staff. The fans also need to start looking for bridges between what has come before and what is unfolding now. No matter what happens in the anime, if the angry fans aren't willing to come in with a positive attitude, willing to suspend disbelief, and earnestly enjoy the anime and its story, then no amount of good storytelling will bring them along.

J.C.Staff needs to extend an olive branch to the disenfranchised fans and assure them that Date A Live III will respect and honor the source material, especially if we assume that J.C.Staff is wise enough and greedy enough to want to make a profit of possible future seasons. This won't be an easy task, but if done well, it could do a lot to help open minds so that Date A Live III has a chance of being received more positively by those who are most vocally criticizing it today.

Lastly, I want to repeat that I'm personally very excited for Date A Live III, even when the art and the animation could have been better. We should consider ourselves lucky Date A Live got a third season and do our best to earnestly enjoy what is about to come. This is just my opinion and you neither have to like it nor agree with it. That's the beauty of having an opinion. Posting my opinions on this forum doesn't mean my opinions are any greater or more valid than yours. Some of you might think I'm not a true Date A Live fan because I don't read the light novels, but I'm not really ashamed of that. I don't have the time nor the patience to read light novels. Even though I only watch the anime, I still truly consider myself a fan, just like all of you. We are all Date A Live fans here, we just see things differently. Thank you all for your time.

Jan 5, 2019 12:39 AM

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