A Certain Magical Index (light novel)
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Ziggycuff said: Wow okay.Botato said: BR arc isn't part of either manga though. This series is not about Index, holy shit. She isn't even a main character. Trying to say Index is not a main character of the anime "A certain magical Index" is like trying to divide by 0. The author himself says the main characters of Index are Touma, Accelerator and Shiage. Index is only in the name of the title because that was the name of vol1, which focused on her. Kamachi intended to give each volume a different name based on the focus, but the editors talked him out of this crazy idea because it kills brand recognition so the series is stuck with Index. WW3 arc does not focus on Index. It focuses on said 3 main characters and their struggles. But you know what, let's ignore all that for a second. WW3 arc is still going to get the same treatment this arc and the previous one got. Unless they completely skip an entire book to make room for WW3, it will get the same treatment. Don't get your hopes up. |
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Ziggycuff said: Botato said: Wow okay. The author himself says the main characters of Index are Touma, Accelerator and Shiage. Index is only in the name of the title because that was the name of vol1, which focused on her. Kamachi intended to give each volume a different name based on the focus, but the editors talked him out of this crazy idea because it kills brand recognition so the series is stuck with Index. WW3 arc does not focus on Index. It focuses on said 3 main characters and their struggles. But you know what, let's ignore all that for a second. WW3 arc is still going to get the same treatment this arc and the previous one got. Unless they completely skip an entire book to make room for WW3, it will get the same treatment. Don't get your hopes up. Lol okay, whatever you say man. Funny i can't find anything about that on google. In fact multiple articles state that she's the main female character for the magic side. But sure. Just for the sake of not arguing with the internet, we'll say your right. You only need just a few brain cells to realize, after watching two anime seasons, that Index isnt a main character. We reached a point where Misaka,Tsuchimikado,Othinus and Aleister are more relevant in the Index series than she ever was. |
| > plot can easily focus on other stuff while main plot points are irrelevant, to build up to a point where it becomes relevant again. This is exactly what is happening. Why would they have index in the plot if nobody has a reason to go after the texts inside her head? Well that's gonna change. Because that happened TWICE in 40+ fucking volumes?Because she is irrelevant outside 2 specific arcs, excluding her introduction arc. The fact is that she is irrelevant and the story stopped revolving around her since the Three Stories arc. She is as relevant as LO, and takitsubo as main partners of the 3 MCs. But she isnt a MC since the focus isnt on her ANYMORE. She is a background character for more than 30 volumes.She was plot focused for 5 volumes and only a couple volumes had her doing semi important stuff. Miisaki and Tsuchi got two volumes to themselves.What did she get? I dont know what MAIN means in your language but it definitely doesnt mean what you think it means. |
Ziggycuff said: ssjokg said: While this is true, this doesn't "Demote" her to a background character. The entire magic side plot revolves around the significance of index. Touma's and Index's relationship is important in upcoming plot elements. That's why, even Wikipedia lists her as "The titular and main protagonist of the magic side" Just because she doesn't have screentime doesnt mean shes not relevant in the plot. Atleast on the magic side of things.She is a background character for more than 30 volumes.She was plot focused for 5 volumes and only a couple volumes had her doing semi important stuff. Except she is irrelevant in the magic side arcs as well. Or are those 5 volumes all the magic side has? Also >wikipedia Yeah ok... |
Ziggycuff said: No it does not.The entire magic side plot revolves around the significance of index. If it did we'd see more people come after her, but literally just 2 people were. 3 if we count the random side story about the cat grimoire thing. |
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——Please tell us a secret about the creation of the character of Index. Also I am pretty sure this was about the first volume. That was the only volume where the story was centered around her. It was, after all, supposed to be the only volume since Kamachi didn't expect to be told to continue the story so easily. It was so sudden he had 16 or 17 days to write vol2 which was centered on Himegami.Kamachi: To give my story an edge, I wanted a name that would stand out for the character the story was centered around I also get the impression you think the Index LN is "for the magic side" which is false. It is for both magic and science, the premise of the series is the clash between them and later on it is revealed that . I am curious if you ever read the author's afterwords at the end of each of volume, although if I didn't misunderstand you and you truly think the Index LN is supposed to be magic only then I suspect you didn't even read it, not all of it at least. If you haven't, now is a good time honestly. |
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Ziggycuff said: ssjokg said: Except she is irrelevant in the magic side arcs as well. Or are those 5 volumes all the magic side has? She is still relevant because the magic side focuses on the perspective of the anglican church, which index is a major member of. At any time she could become involved with them. Index is one of the major powers of the Anglican church. However, the show shifts its focus to other things in order to build the story up. Its a common storytelling technique, which eventually leads to something at the end. I thought this was common sense by now. This again, doesn't make her a side character. And just because your opinion is otherwise doesn't make that any less of a fact. >At any time she could become involved with them. And in 40+ volumes this happened twice(3 volumes total).With this logic EVERYONE in the series is a main character since everyone is connected to Academy City and AC is a core element. Dude you obviously dont know shit about the series OR storytelling and character involvement And if Kamachi is using 40+ volumes to create build up for Index to appear and do shit then he is the worst writer out there. Wikipedia(since you like that): A protagonist (from Ancient Greek πρωταγωνιστής (protagonistes), meaning 'one who plays the first part, chief actor') [1][2] is the leading character of a story. The protagonist is at the center of the story, makes the key decisions, and experiences the consequences of those decisions. The protagonist is the primary agent propelling the story forward, and is often the character who faces the most significant obstacles. If a story contains a subplot, or is a narrative made up of several stories, then each subplot may have its own protagonist.[3] The protagonist is the character whose fate is most closely followed by the reader or audience, and who is opposed by the antagonist. The antagonist will provide obstacles and complications and create conflicts that test the protagonist, thus revealing the strengths and weaknesses of the protagonist's character. Index simply cant be a protagonist. |
| Kuroko was more of a mc than Index since she had vol8 all to herself. |
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Ziggycuff said: I'm done repeating the same thing over to you. She IS a protagonist. If you really want to change my mind, convince the database mods to remove index as a main character listed under ALL 3 of the seasons. You people need to take off your tinfoil hats. Oh yeah, it is MAL that decides who the main characters are, not Kamachi and the series itself. |
| Loved it-but then I love everything Index and Railgun related. |
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Ziggycuff said: I'm done repeating the same thing over to you. She IS a protagonist. If you really want to change my mind, convince the database mods to remove index as a main character listed under ALL 3 of the seasons. You people need to take off your tinfoil hats. if you trust mal so much look at the NT characters https://myanimelist.net/manga/24875/Shinyaku_Toaru_Majutsu_no_Index index isn't in the main characters , she is a main character in the first LN series because she was important in the first vol. and some other volumes but now she isn't . from your comments i don't think you've read the LN . |
Tsukumo_YuumaNov 7, 2018 10:59 AM
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| Me, being an anime-only watcher: |
| With all these chaotic evens going-on, i'm just gonna enjoy it! The fights and everything! 5/5. |
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Ziggycuff said: You still never explained why she counts as a main character.Tsukumo_Yuuma said: if you trust mal so much look to the NT characters https://myanimelist.net/manga/24875/Shinyaku_Toaru_Majutsu_no_Index NT is after world war 3, which marks the end of the original Toaru Majutsu no Index light novels. So understandably index doesn't have to be relevant. That argument is invalid. And yes, I have read the LN up to the start of NT but no further. Although its been a while since I have. NT =/= now Up until World war 3, index is still relevant, and a main character. To Aru Majutsu no Index 3 =/= NT, I feel like you are either genuinely confusing the two, or seriously trying to troll. If you genuinely believe index is a side character of the then by all means believe it. Its not gonna stop me from going off of facts. What makes her a main character? Since you don't like bringing NT into this, let's just consider OT for a bit. vol1 was about her. She was relevant for a bit in vol2, but not as a main character. Someone was after her knowledge in vol5. The volume had 3 different, simultaneous stories tho and that was just one of them. Then she was irrelevant until vol13, where she only helped at the very end with her song. Then irrelevant again until the end of vol18. And then she was out of the picture for pretty much the entirety of the climax. So to sum up: vol1, a bit in vol2, a bit in vol5, end of vol13 and vol18, and that was her entire role in the series up until NT. Ironically enough, first OT volume aside, she had more to do in NT than in OT. I've never heard of any story that keeps its protagonist out of the picture for more than half of the story. Please explain to me why you think the story is CENTERED around Index. Because I just can't see it. |
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| >Index is the main character in Toaru majutsu no Index because her name is in the title so the story is about her >Index isnt the main character in Toaru Majutsu no Index New Testament even tho her name is in the title. oh boi |
Ziggycuff said: Man you need to make up your mind.What makes her a main character? Since you don't like bringing NT into this, let's just consider OT for a bit. I suggest you re-read my previous posts on this. I already explained numerous times. First you claimed the LN is about magic and the Angelican church so Index is a main character. You also claimed WW3 is about her. Both of which are false Then you started talking about how it's common to build up the story with other things not related to the mc and something will happen in the end. But the thing is, OT is already over. We know everything that happens. So please explain what exactly in OT makes her a main character. And even if you backpedal and try to use NT here (even though you were the one to insist on keeping it out) she is not listed as a main character in the database (since you also like to use this as a reference) and hasn't been relevant enough to count as one, but please explain where in NT she becomes a main character if you decide to use NT too. I am willing to listen but unless you make up your mind on what we're using as basis, what you consider to be a main character, and then explain why you think she is, this will not go anywhere. But you know, you should just read the author comment for OT22. Kamachi literally starts out, after his usual thanks for reading segment, by saying let's talk about the THREE main characters. And who does he talk about? Touma, Accelerator, And Shiage. Please read the LN and make sure to read the author's comments as well. |
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Ziggycuff said: Where did I twist your words?So you two guys are clearly just trying to twist my words in some effort to bait me or something. If you guys are incapable of understanding then thats just too bad. I have better things to do than entertain the thought of convincing random people on the internet things they refuse to understand. If you believe the earth is flat, then fine, beleive it. If you believe Moses parted the red sea with a beyblade believe it. If you believe index is a side character, then by all means, believe it. I am done talking about this. Here's you saying WW3 focuses on Index: Here's you claiming the magic side plot revolves around Index/Angelican ChurchThere are a couple things wrong with this, because the roman church, god's right seat and amakusa get as much focus as the angelican church. Not to mention half of those arcs don't even prominently feature Index. You also claim the show shifts focus to "other things" to build the story up. I am glad to know "other things" are 16-18 volumes while Index, the main focus, is barely 5-6 volumes. I could buy this excuse since it implies she will be relevant in the future, but you also said this:So I take it we're not taking the "future" aka NT into account here. You never truly explained why she is a main besides a few vague, and mostly wrong, statements. So, based on this I ask you again, What makes Index a main character? |
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AcceleratorAngel said: Personally i just think this is very poor directing and scriptwriting since everything that was going didn't seem to make much sense.Aversa said: Honestly so far this arc has been really boring not to mention that it looks like a bad action movie. It's really all over the place yet the outcome of the events is really predictable hopefully it will be over soon. This also seems rushed some of the events don't seem to make much sense and with all the different groups it lacks explanation. I also have to say that despite their boosting the members of member where a real disappointment. Thx to the rushing evrry bit of exposition is cut, every bit of MEMBER and BLOCK. So no wonder that the vents dont make any sense. It seems the characters only appear for the sake of being there, no foreshadowing. This arc is a major letdown for a adaption. The directors and screenwriter made it clear in an interview they will only adapt the highlights from each novel, exposition will be cut, all that’s left is action without explanation. So there u have it mate, read the light novel or be letdown. The director and screenwriter seem to go for that kind of adaption. As mentioned before this is just like a bad action movie they kind you watch when you don't want to think about anything and just watch for low quality entertainment, and in my opinion that's just not what this show is about. |
| OK LIKE THE STORY IS ALL OVER THE PLACE... i MEAN it means people know the pretext behind it but I am getting more and more confused as I see it |
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| Ah, this was as rushed as last episode, good luck for the anime onlies trying to make too much being out of this... My only praise is that they added an original scene were you see Frenda betraying Item to save her hide, whereas this doesnt happen in the LN. Instead . It was really dumb that Kazuma left that out of the LN, considering vol15 is so long, he could have just included it also... |
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| WTF IS EVEN GOING ON ANYMORE |
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| Things were quite confusing. Other than that, it was a good episode. |
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| This episode is not confusing. BLOCK just plans to assassinate Aleister, MEMBER is fighting against Kakine and Accelerator, Xochitl wants revenge against Etzali, and Kakine forces Frenda to talk about ITEM's location. It seems that BLOCK's betrayal failed and another organitation called MEMBER was defeated by GROUP and SCHOOL. Poor Frenda. She was forced to talk by Kakine. |
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| Great episode if you ask me, really looking forwards to see what's next. |
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well inner fighting awry faction in the city tries to overthrow Alister and some want to have revenge on him |
| I'm actually enjoying these episodes quite a bit, a pity this arc couldn't get 4-6 eps since out of all the novels this one was the least able to be condensed into 2-3 episodes. The direction for this arc is actually OK, just they are cutting scenes left and right to fit this into such few episodes. |
| Objectivity? In my anime scoring? Of course not... |
| Hmm I thought I'd enjoy this more if Touma wasn't there, but apart from maybe Accelerator I did not give a crap about anyone in this episode either. At least some Mugino next episode. |
| lol at Last Order leaving. Uiharu. lol at Accelerator throwing yen at the dude. Accelerator gets hit from behind. He's with MEMBER. Dat dog. Dem wings. WTF! Damn. 5000 of them waiting. They got sprayed. Damn! Slammed his face into he wall. What in the keisejuu is going on here? Frenda getting focked up. Dat ending. Once your legs get stuck in the floor, I feel as though that is an opportunity for the opponent to win. Surprised Uiharu didn't say anything after seeing Last Order. |
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| oh my god the pacing for this was worse than I remembered, no wonder I didn't get wtf was going on last time |
| Hm.. Now we see how some human interacts with grimoire.. I wonder if we'll have more stuff like this later in the future as well.. |
| Why was the episode called "Dark Matter" when obviously that part is coming next time? If I had to point out one good thing about the episode, Awajime's character development felt convincing on screen though I can see why a big part of it is lost on people who haven't read the novel. But yeah, for the most part J.C. is just soullessly adapting the source material, which now I realise is a big part of why S2 also came out very bland. Just my two cents of how J.C. could adapt this better:
With their emotional weight and payoff in mind, I'm already sad about the Acqua and the Brexit arcs. Add to this the low-effort action scenes and this adaptation feels pointless even as just a bonus to reading the Light Novels. |
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| am i supposed to understand whats happening there is like 10 different things going on at the same time but yay another last order scene |
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| What the fuck is even happening? It's like you started five hundred random things all at a time, and telling people to connect the dots between them.. which is almost asking for impossible. Are we supposed to know the backstories of those random fodders?? Maybe, but I don't remember them ever mentioning a thing or two about anyone. What is BLOCK/MEMBER/SCHOOL? Oh, sorry nevermind. By the way animation is getting worse every passing episode, and it's just the fifth one smh. |
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