Overlord (light novel)
| As the title states, this question is directed Only towards people who enjoyed this episode. I, and not me alone, hated it greatly and here is why: Injustice: So a group of normal adventurers got hired to venture in what seemed to be abandoned ruins. They were doing their job. They got tortured and killed for no good reason. What was there to enjoy? Now if it were a group of awful people or group of nobodies, who feel like NPC's instead of actual people, i would have been fine, more or less (like that cocky elf swordsmen who got owned by a hamster), but not here, author deliberately shows how this people are not just soulless, heartless npcs, he even adds drama about one of them needing money for righteous goal (saving sisters). What was the purpose for all this character development if it leads to them getting wiped out. Lizardmen were at least spared a little, even though some had to die. The level of cruelty towards the viewers, not just towards characters, was immense! The real World itself is a cruel place... I don't think this is something this anime tries to tell us. Since this isn't a kids anime, viewers most likely already know what life is so do ween to be reminded about it here as well? or it does drama just for the sake of drama? Back to the point, not forget, this particular character i mentioned is 15-17 years old. How can someone enjoy a kind, innocent child getting purposely ridden of all hope, then killed and then devoured. And that insect loli now even has her voice so even in the future we'll have a reminder of this glorious event. Wtf?! And we are reminded thrice that this was a merciful act from Ainz! And we are to cheer for these monsters and feel similar joy as when they always do while killing the weak? Author certainly succeeded in one thing, making a lot of characters to hate. As for the rest of the group, they don't get instantly killed. Being paralized and experimented on is a fate worse than death. Did they deserve it? Certainly not. They didn't even steal anything or damage anything. Trespassing equals slow death? What to be excited about here? Ainz was merciless, he was determined to kill everyone from the start and didn't even spare a single person. Why? No second thoughts, no regrets. He even had nerve to lecture elf girl about morals... He is bad and does bad things - i get it, but people actually enjoyed suffering of these people? I just wonder why exactly? Because Ainz is cool? It's cool to be edgy and like villains? i hope there is a "better" reason/s than this... The anime is bad in my opinion, since season 2, especially towards the end. you can like it as much as you want but if you mind, do tell me how you're not grossed out of this exact episode? I was really shocked seeing people glorifying this abomination and already giving it high scores. I mean, cruelty was somewhat acceptable, but this one crossed the line since episode 7. It's a sadistic show. Berserk is sadistic, but it has challenges and plot. What purpose sadism served here? come on people, are you really fine with this? Does this really genuinely make you happy? |
AzorAhai said: Injustice: So a group of normal adventurers got hired to venture in what seemed to be abandoned ruins. They were doing their job. They got tortured and killed for no good reason. What was there to enjoy? A group of "workers" were hired to invade a tomb. Ainz had a pile of gold used as deterrent to make them leave. Enough to last them a life time. On top of that they were greeted by skeletons to which they laughed at and mercilessly killed. Does the idea of pillaging sound familiar to you? That's exactly what happened to Enri and Nemu. Nice double standards you have going there. AzorAhai said: Now if it were a group of awful people or group of nobodies, who feel like NPC's instead of actual people, i would have been fine, more or less That would get boring. If your plan is world domination you're going to run into good and bad people all with different backstories. Arche's back story was useful because she was a good person and I felt sorry for her but she was put into an unfortunate situation. If you weren't expecting this from an Undead Overlord who rules a tomb full of evil creature idk what you think you were watching. The rest of your rant seem to be "why is an Undead Overlord making people suffer... people enjoy this?"  |
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A group of "workers" were hired to invade a tomb. Ainz had a pile of gold used as deterrent to make them leave. Enough to last them a life time. On top of that they were greeted by skeletons to which they laughed at and mercilessly killed. Does the idea of pillaging sound familiar to you? That's exactly what happened to Enri and Nemu. Nice double standards you have going there. I wouldn't expect any less from a "Necromia". Gold was a deterrent? I see it more as a bait; since there were so much riches at the entrance there certainly would be more inside the tomb so the workers would be motivated even more to venture forward. Don't be delusional, no adventurer/explorer ever would just take what's on the surface and just leave. It's not just about greed (though it's undeniable), curiosity plays a great role, and perhaps some thrill-seeking as well. They laughed and massacred the skeletons... Seriously? massacred skeletons, it's like saying they massacred the dirt. Do you really compare animated bones with the living? or do you think they have feelings or something? If they do then anime failed to show it anywhere. As for the Enri and Nemu, they have nothing to do with this. Putting them here for "double standards" is just stupid. None of these workers are to be held responsible for that event. The rest of your rant seem to be "why is an Undead Overlord making people suffer... people enjoy this?" Since you missed the point, my rant isn't about why an undead overlord makes people suffer, it's about why people like you enjoy what he and his group does. Does it turn you on? Makes you feel superior or special? Something else maybe? |
AzorAhai said: I wouldn't expect any less from a "Necromia". Gold was a deterrent? I see it more as a bait; since there were so much riches at the entrance there certainly would be more inside the tomb so the workers would be motivated even more to venture forward. Don't be delusional, no adventurer/explorer ever would just take what's on the surface and just leave. It's not just about greed (though it's undeniable), curiosity plays a great role, and perhaps some thrill-seeking as well. Could have been. It's a grey area in the story. Regardless the workers gave into their adventurer greed which got them killed. AzorAhai said: As for the Enri and Nemu, they have nothing to do with this. Putting them here for "double standards" is just stupid. None of these workers are to be held responsible for that event. Nazaric was pillaged and so was Carne village. It's okay to kill the people who invaded Carne village but not Nazaric? The workers intention was to kill who ever lived in Nazaric without first investigating the ruins of sentient life. AzorAhai said: Since you missed the point, my rant isn't about why an undead overlord makes people suffer, it's about why people like you enjoy what he and his group does. Does it turn you on? Makes you feel superior or special? Something else maybe? It's not a difficult answer to figure out. Overlord is fiction. Like every other anime it's a form of escape. Some people want to be the fictional villains. Same concept applies when people become evil in role playing games. |
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Necromia said: Could have been. It's a grey area in the story. Regardless the workers gave into their adventurer greed which got them killed. So you wanna tell me that Ainz would've let them go if they just had taken the gold and left? I don't buy this for a second, their fate was already sealed once they stepped foot on Nazarick's ground. He had no intention to test their greed with that gold. Necromia said: Nazaric was pillaged and so was Carne village. It's okay to kill the people who invaded Carne village but not Nazaric? The workers intention was to kill who ever lived in Nazaric without first investigating the ruins of sentient life. The workers only killed mindless skeletons in Nazarick, you can't compare that with the villagers. Those skeletons don't live, they don't talk. There was no "sentient being" there who told the workers to leave their home, they simply got baited into thinking it's just an tomb full with mindless undead. Transferring your concept to the real world would mean that the researchers who explored the pyramids in Egypt should also have been killed. I don't agree fully with the OP, but episode 8 definitely made me like Ainz less. He talks about how he cares so much for his friends but disregards other people that care just as much about their party as bad people just to justify killing them. At this point it feels like Demiurge is actually the leader of Nazarick now and they all went full evil without any more moral questions. |
| Ah, a topic to tug in our 'humanity' or 'morals' when watching Overlord? Tell you what, I love Overlord and its LN because its different from any anime I've watched and I am a huge fan of fantasy be it dark or not. Now, just because a cute anime girl with a sympathetic background story while trying to earn a living got killed off doesn't make the series horrible and its fans the same. I felt sorry for Arche and her sisters, that I can confess but this particular arc spiced up the story for me and it continued to deviate from the typical cliche BS that plagues a lot of series right now such as nakama power BS and etc, instead it spits on them showing that no one is safe from Ainz and the denizens of Nazarick. No plot armor, no nothing unless we're talking about Climb's bland ass here. So yeah, I DID ENJOY this episode (as well as the volume of the Light Novel). If you are looking at morally correct protagonist and characters, you have come to the wrong place. Take your self-righteous preaching somewhere else, this show ain't for you. |
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| First of all, thank you for such a thorough and...mature reply... it's rare these days. I'm not that great with English so i'd be grateful if my lack of vocabulary and use of simple words isn't taken as a sign of stupidity xD 1. Overlord is not about a hero or a good guy. The main protagonist is an anti-hero done extremely well....If you think Ainz is a good guy or should be a good guy, go find something about a hero or a good guy. No questions asked about this one. Overlord is an anti hero, but a person PLAYING as him kept leaving an impression that it wasn't that simple, otherwise i would have dropped the series from season 1. P.S i was mislead from the start it seems. 2. Because this is about an evil overlord working to take over the world, violence and cruelty are par for the course. Obviously, you were grossed out and offended by the cruelty displayed by Ainz in episodes 7 and 8. Good. This was 100% intentional. These episodes are here to shatter any possible delusion you ever had that Ainz is a good guy. That's the point! me, and it seems i'm not alone, still thought that Ainz was simply just PLAYING as a bad guy. Since day 1, guy playing as Ainz is trying to appeal to his servants, doing things he would never do in real life; he still did though, because he thought there was no other way. This was understandable. 1) Ainz saving Enri and the village - the way i saw it he saved them for the sake of saving the innocents. I mean, come on, if he was honestly evil from the start, he'd do otherwise. He didn't care about the healing potion stuff or how it would benefit Nezerik, at least back then he didn't, he just wanted to protect people from the raiders and from his own servants - all this without ruining the image of him being an evil overlord, thus instead of saying "i pity these humans thus i don't want them dead - pledge to protect", he came up with "it's one of my evil plans to serve my evil deeds - so keep these insects alive". This was meant to silence his servants. Saving Gazef and Brita, avenging the deaths of adventurers he first met - all lead to us to see Ainz as a good guy who simply plays evil from time to time. 2) Lizardmen - Since Ainz is actually human, it is understandable why he'd be fine with genociding them. Deep in heart we, as well as Ainz are all racists after all - humans first; when it comes to wild tribes of "lesser species" it is understandable why he'd want to kill them all without second thoughts. His action here was relevant to me and anyone who have played fantasy games, and even though i fell sorry for them in the end - i was still somewhat fine (though it was a waste of time as I shall explain later). 3) Demiurge's attack on capitol - It was disturbing, but the atrocity was done by Demiurge. Even though Ainz is to be held responsible for the deeds of his servants, Ainz wasn't tainted too much in my eyes since he didn't abduct people personally. Now when it comes to him being ok with these people used for experiments, it is once again understandable why he'd be fine, since a) He can't just say "that's cruel!" He can't disappoint his servants, he must PLAY along - that's how i saw it. Plus, b) when it comes to just giving orders, you feel less guilty right? I mean, if he personally knew people who got abducted or seen their faces for example, he'd be less OK, after all he is still a human inside! Giving execution orders and being an executioner is different things, different levels of stress and influence on sanity, i believe you'd agree. Even though i was not Ok with Ainz closing eyes on suffering of these people, it was still understandable why he'd do it. Up to this point he still seemed like a guy who plays a villain perfectly; he has to. From there, it turned into a cruel guy, playing a cruel villain just for the heck of it - This is what many of us began to hate in this anime. The people who do not like the violence and cruelty who watched this episode probably like it because they appreciate the literary value in being appalled by a villain/anti-hero's actions. That's an interesting point of view, though i hardly doubt that most people watch it for the sake of "pleasure found in other's suffering". I might be wrong, but these types of people in my opinion are also fine with watching animal torture or human execution videos - Mentally unstable people i'd say. I like Ainz as a character because he is an excellent portrayal of what an evil overlord should be. can't agree on that one though. Up to this point he left an impression of a weak willed anti-hero, who had to play a role of a villain simply not to disappoint his evil servants, eventually he got used to his role and closed the eyes on numbers of causalities, and eventually became a sadistic piece of shit by completely giving in to his role and actually becoming a cliched super-villain who does evil things for the sake of doing evil things. Most shows/stories don't actually give you a valid pathos reason to hate the antagonist. It's just "He's a bad guy who does bad things so we gotta beat him!". Congratulations. You now have a reason to hate Ainz as a character for what he did. That is good storytelling. Well the author did manage to piss me off so if that counts as a good storytelling, or what he intended to achieve - than i shall congratulate him). 3. If Ainz did something that appalls me, I should hate him! Right?!?!?! Wrong. You do not have to hate a character because they did bad things. Ainz is a very charismatic character. He plays his overlord persona well, and he has very good political sense. Everything he's done up through now has been to advance Nazarick. All the mercy he's given has been to advance Nazarick. As i already said above, this is where our views differ. Ainz wasn't a character worth hating, (and Hitler was also charismatic and a good orator so what?) though i was constantly pissed how he always had to "talk evil" or "play evil" despite the fact that his servants feared/respected/worshiped him. To say it differently Ainz's servants would gladly commit seppuku - had Ainz ordered so; it was irritating how Ainz still had to think about his image and think about the words he'd speak, despite such loyalty and devotion from his servants. I mean, come on, is anyone expecting the "are you really a villain Ainz-sama" from any of these servants? They would not dare! It was about time for him to swing down his fist like a real overlord and crush some insects like you would expect an overlord to do. An Evil Overlord that does not do Evil things is not an Evil Overlord. Seems like in your vision an already acknowledged evil villain has to constantly prove he's evil by doing evil things? I'd say an evil overlord should do whatever they want without the need to prove anything to anyone, that's where Ainz fails; he still worries about trivial things. 4. Did the Workers deserve what they got? I personally don't think so. Are the Workers without fault? Hell no. They invaded his home without permission with the intent to steal his belongings. Don't you pull that BS saying they "didn't steal or damage anything" it was VERY CLEAR that they went in with the FULL INTENT of looting treasure found. They very clearly had the animus nocendi ("Intent to harm") even if they didn't actually commit any crime other than burglary. Which is exactly what it was. Burglary. When the tombs of Egypt's pharaohs were discovered i doubt that the archaeologists and adventurers were seeing themselves or seen by others as burglars. The tomb did not look like someone's home; you as a viewer knew that this wasn't the case, the workers did not. so invading without the owners permission doesn't apply here. It was never clear if there was an owner to begin with? Or how many explorers come to a tomb and yell out load "is there someone living inside? if no, can we invade?" Even if you take game logic, which it is supposed to be, tombs are usually homes of necromancers of evil creatures, i don't get it why the adventurers would be considering this as a burglary or something bad. They did however when they encountered Ainz, but mercilessness they were met with was something we had never seen from Ainz in person, thus it was disappointing and disgusting how he behaved there. P.S I don't get it why you see the need to use Latin from time to time. Feels like you're trying too hard. Which brings me back to the 3rd point. An Evil Overlord that does not do Evil is not an Evil Overlord. Ainz punished the Workers as an Evil Overlord should. Ainz is acting with his every right as an Evil Overlord to torture and kill people who invaded his home. You don't have to like it. But he did it because he's an Evil Overlord and to maintain that image. Plus it protects him and Nazarick from the weak-willed. After what happened to the workers would YOU attack Nazarick? I sure wouldn't. have to agree on that one. If someone invades your property, you have full right to defend said property, and as an evil overlord you can cross the line and do cruel things, i'm not going to question that, but, as i said earlier, i was surprised that a person who i thought merely played a bad guy actually slaughtered those poor souls. Apart from that i was just astonished by how people are perfectly fine with torture and injustice and even defend it. A better society would at least feel uneasy about this, instead of demanding more and cheering at their hearts content - that's just sickening and makes me disappointed in people! All this doesn't apply to this anime solely of course. Consider this a waste of time, but i decided to rant on this subject as if any of this actually matters - I know it doesn't matter. People can be cruel for the sake of being cruel...of course there shall be evil people who are happy with the sufferings of others, so for them liking things like this isn't anywhere close to disturbing...I was just shocked by the number of people gathered here all praising this and couldn't stop myself from ranting... I mean, if you want injustice or cruelty, look outside the window, or read history, there's plenty of it already. If you are fine with injustice in fiction, who can say you are not fine with injustice in real life? 4. I liked the end of Season 2. It might not have been as awesome or epic as the end of the first season, but it has its political merits. Entoma was almost beaten by a few members of the Blue Rose guild of adventurers. Demiurge was required to save them. In order to capitalize on the reveal of Demiurge (Which was a pretty awesome reveal of what he can do.) they set up a massive scenario which benefitted Ainz in many ways: He was able to test what the empire could do against some of his lesser minions. He was able to improve the reputation of Momon with barely any exertion on his part whatsoever. He was able to reveal Demiurge in such a way as to lessen the chance that Entoma and Demiurge would be linked to Nazarick later if he plays his cards right. He was able to capture many people with which to perform experiments on, feed to his minions, etc. Ainz was never really that good being an overlord, Demiurge is pretty much the one doing the thinking part (Ainz had no idea Nazarick's goal was the world domination...) but it's not like Ainz intended to abduct humans and use them as livestock or sex toys; it's something that happened on it's own and something he had to be OK with in order to be seen as an evil overlord, and the only reason why i was "ok" with it as well, was because he couldn't just order the captives to be freed (even though he very well could have without anyone from Nazarick disagreeing, since he's their overlord and a god and stuff) 6. Berserk is sadistic. But it's also gruesome, gory, overtly sexual, full of nudity, contains uncomfortable themes such as rape, the murder of children, demonic themes. Berserk has a good plot, I will admit, but its use of violence is not that of a literary element, but as a draw to teenagers and young adults due to its excessive nature. Overlord does not go over the top with fanservice and violence like Berserk does. In Berserk, the violence is excessive and unnecessary and only serves to satisfy the target audience. This made me laugh really, sorry, I can't disagree more. Even though Cruelty in Berserk doesn't go near to the level of cruelty in Overlord, it's still there and it still does draw teenagers and young adults due to its excessive nature. Overlord doesn't go over the top with fanservice? LOL - first episode of season 3 was all about females drooling about Ainz and who'd want to sleep with him. There is no overboard fanservice like panty-shots since it's not that type of Anime, an/or animators thought it would be inappropriate; but fanservice is there and it's hardly vague. In Overlord, the violence serves a deeper purpose involving Ainz's character, his persona, his effect on the world around him, etc. Berserk desensitizes you to violence with its sheer volume. Violence in overlord serves a deeper purpose, like what? Demons in Berserk are terryfying; people getting sacrificed for Griffith's sake; Ainz and his gang in Overlord are terrifying - people getting sacrificed for Nazarick's sake - I don't see "deeper purpose" in comparison. overlord simply lacks gore and shows less blood. Overlord doesn't saturate the media with sex and violence, rather it uses them as literary tools in line with the plot. 1)That's why Berserk is Berserk and Overlord is Overlord. Overlord doesn't have that much sexual elements though they could have added them without problems; perhaps the author simply decided not to or never thought about it. 2) What plot? For about 4 episodes in Season 2 we were introduced to lizardmen, their lifestyles, who they love, what they wish, and then they get destroyed and became Nazarick's subjects - the end. cruelty there served the plot? It was the biggest waste of time. Overlord recently has been exactly that - a waste of time - time spent developing minor characters who have no future and will most likely contribute nothing to the plot since no matter what Ainz will have his way and they will either die slow deaths or become slaves; just like lizardmen contributed NOTHING and their struggle was pointless and useless. Ainz didn't give F-s about lizardmen before season 2 and doesn't give a F about them after they got beaten. no development of him; we only found out that Cocytus liked the courage from lizardmen and prefered to use them instead of wiping them out; this could have lasted an episode or 1.5x episode at max, instead there was some lizards F-king and whatever. much plot really. This is like watching the lives of people before an asteroid hits earth and everyone dies, you just don't know when it will hit and keep watching and watching, only later realizing that it's been 3 seasons already and the asteroid is still nowhere to be seen! Overlord focuses on politics, characters, and Nazarick's effect on the new world it found itself in. That's one of the "flaws" of this anime. Ainz isn't trying to be a good guy; he has power to wipe out all the nations, all the opposition in a single blitz attack and declare himself a god of the universe, yet for some reason decides to play as Momonga, play politics and toy with weakling mortals for personal amusement. The series is like watching the said animal torture, hell, for Ainz and Nazarick servants, everybody is even less than insects, so this anime is basically watching them torture and kill everybody without opposition. i don't know about you, but i don't think a sane person would enjoy that.With all that out of the way, I'll take a more informal tone. You don't like Overlord? Don't watch it. Thank you) i don't know what i would have done without someone telling me this.) If you can't appreciate the thought and effort put into the politicking and Ainz's character and his effects on the world around him, go read the Berserk manga and tell me about the gratuitous sex and violence that permeate basically every chapter. and did i say i like Berserk more or am fine with injustice and cruelty in there. Berserk has more senseless gore and adds more violence and sex since that's what make Berserk-Berserk, it never tried to be a wolf in sheep's clothing, unlike Overlord. I already said why i, and once again, not me alone, thought overlord was something more. It still makes me chuckle when people talk about greater meaning or how politics matter and stuff. Who needs politics in a series where the MC is a god! Berserk had politics and it made sense there. Lelouch had politics and made sense despite op character. what sense does it make here? Since it all turned into senseless slaugheterfest, it should refrain from boring us with minor character developments, politics, diplomacy, intrigue and shit - since it's all pointless in a bigger picture! why would an evil overlord think about politics. chaos, destruction and senseless slaughter - that what it needs. that's what it had to be from the start, but it didn't and i was mislead. I just pity the time wasted. Thanks again for YOUR time. and I'm not a kiddo, i'm actually older than you so that was pretty offensive thing to read xD. Nothing to worry about though, and don't take anything personal from what I've said, i certainly didn't intend to offend you - no sarcasm intended as well. |
Darklight0303 said: I thought you blocked me or something. Still being useless i see. Are you commenting for the sake of commenting i wonder?Take your pathetic virtue signaling attempts back to TUMBLR where they belong |
So yeah, I DID ENJOY this episode (as well as the volume of the Light Novel). If you are looking at morally correct protagonist and characters, you have come to the wrong place. Take your self-righteous preaching somewhere else, this show ain't for you. That's up to me to decide pal. Since this is MY preaching you are free to leave, it's not like I've forced you to read or to reply to me. So, bye bye. |
It's not a difficult answer to figure out. Overlord is fiction. Like every other anime it's a form of escape. Some people want to be the fictional villains. Same concept applies when people become evil in role playing games. I guess this is the best possible answer. some people do like playing as complete pieces of shits. Though if you enjoy little girls getting tortured, fine with genocides on innocent civilians and senseless slaughter of any type - there is definitely something wrong with your head. (not meaning you personally) |
AzorAhai said: So yeah, I DID ENJOY this episode (as well as the volume of the Light Novel). If you are looking at morally correct protagonist and characters, you have come to the wrong place. Take your self-righteous preaching somewhere else, this show ain't for you. That's up to me to decide pal. Since this is MY preaching you are free to leave, it's not like I've forced you to read or to reply to me. So, bye bye. Ah well, good luck in preaching to the wrong masses my misguided friend. You're going to need a lot of luck because it's already made clear in season 1 that Ainz and the denizens of Nazarick doesn't have a moral compass when it comes to their goals (with some exceptions like Sebas), that should have been made CRYSTAL CLEAR to viewers by now. |
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kenji1104 said: No it wasn't crystal clear is season 1 and Yes it is crystal clear now. Though watching a band of psycho having their way is something only mentally unstable people would find amusing i'd say.AzorAhai said: That's up to me to decide pal. Since this is MY preaching you are free to leave, it's not like I've forced you to read or to reply to me. So, bye bye. Ah well, good luck in preaching to the wrong masses my misguided friend. You're going to need a lot of luck because it's already made clear in season 1 that Ainz and the denizens of Nazarick doesn't have a moral compass when it comes to their goals (with some exceptions like Sebas), that should have been made CRYSTAL CLEAR to viewers by now. |
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AzorAhai said: kenji1104 said: No it wasn't crystal clear is season 1 and Yes it is crystal clear now. Though watching a band of psycho having their way is something only mentally unstable people would find amusing i'd say.Ah well, good luck in preaching to the wrong masses my misguided friend. You're going to need a lot of luck because it's already made clear in season 1 that Ainz and the denizens of Nazarick doesn't have a moral compass when it comes to their goals (with some exceptions like Sebas), that should have been made CRYSTAL CLEAR to viewers by now. Pal, it's fiction for a reason and a lot of us know how to segregate fiction from reality. Of course we rebuke such psychos in real life but dude, we're seriously enjoying something different in entertainment. Would you say the same for people playing games about killing people? Will you assume they are also mentally unstable psychos? It's entertainment for a reason. Think of what you're trying to preach and who you're preaching to because the way I see it, you ain't getting anywhere by labeling fans of this show as such. |
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| We got to love hypocrisy. When Ainz is responsible for the killing and torture of thousands of humans and lizards in the previous seasons no one bats an eye, but the moment one cute waifu is harmed, anime community loses it's mind...top kek. Killing waifus and making lolis sad seems to be a no no to some people even tho we are following an overpowered undead skeleton in a somewhat dark-fantasy setting with a party full of evil and twisted man-eating monsters whose only purpose in life is to satisfy their own sadistic personalities and pleasing their leader. This is no romcom with harem where the demon king is actually a good person. Instead you are following the villains as the protagonists. Villains do bad things even for the medieval standards where Overlord's action takes place. Especially when "MC slowing losing his humanity due to isekai/body change reasons and becoming the villain" is the actual main theme of the show. I too liked Arche backstory and her death was indeed sad, but seeing someone with Ainz's background making this girl vomiting rainbows due to his presence alone and then seeing her fate as a mere sustenance to fucked up monsters was even better . It actually made it better xD |
kenji1104 said: AzorAhai said: No it wasn't crystal clear is season 1 and Yes it is crystal clear now. Though watching a band of psycho having their way is something only mentally unstable people would find amusing i'd say. Pal, it's fiction for a reason and a lot of us know how to segregate fiction from reality. Of course we rebuke such psychos in real life but dude, we're seriously enjoying something different in entertainment. Would you say the same for people playing games about killing people? Will you assume they are also mentally unstable psychos? It's entertainment for a reason. Think of what you're trying to preach and who you're preaching to because the way I see it, you ain't getting anywhere by labeling fans of this show as such. I was expecting this "what about violence in games" subject to arise. Though i agree with the fact that violent games doesn't necessarily make players violent, tell me how many games are there that allows you to torture and kill innocent people - npcs with ACTUAL personalities. I cant remember any game and i've played a lot. Theres a reason why such games don't exist. You might steam roll 1000 people with a tank in a game, but these 1000 people will be back after the game is reloaded. Even though they might scream, they are cheap and fake "humans" and you might not really feel anything, even though its still disturbing. This Anime though, tries purposely to make these npcs as human-like as possible, thus despite it being a fiction i can not be ok with people laughing and asking for more or worse outcomes when disturbing things are happening. Only a sick person would actually find an excuse when watching this crap with joy. Its like those people who masturbate to loli porn and then say its just a drawing bruh, im no pedo. There must be something wrong with you if you're ok with that type of content, there's just no other way. |
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| I enjoyed to see those heroes get what they deserved for invading Nazarick. They knew it was dangerous but they still went there, and let's face it, monsters don't treat humans nicely, that's normal. Would it have been better to let them leave? The entire point of this anime is seeing how is Ainz going to conquer the world or destroying it. |
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| I didn't know watching a show about an evil overlord can make one person bad or sick in the mind, guess I am mentally ill to like this type of content because of story reasons, not because I take pleasure in the suffering of the characters lol Anyway, it seems like there's no reasoning with you especially after seeing how hard you're trying to diss this show with no reason besides your moral high ground on a show about a protagonist who is a villain of the setting. |
kenji1104Sep 1, 2018 8:19 AM
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| @AzorAhai Same here, I absolutely hated and was disgusted by this episode. Now, I dislike/hate Overlord and its characters. I couldn't believe Ainz would do that. I mean that act was so hypocritical, seriously. Whenever I re-call that episode it kinda makes me emotional, like what Shaltear did... If I knew Overlord was actually like this, I'd have dropped the show from the beginning itself. I have come to realize this show is just Ainz mercilessly killing weaklings and getting praised by his harem like "Sasuga Ainz-sama." |
KatsutoSakiSep 1, 2018 8:28 AM
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| Mr.AzorAhai, excuse me for just suddenly appear to write a wall of text, but I want to write my take on why people enjoy episode 9. I will be the first to admit that the anime isn’t very good at explaining most of the thought process that goes into the decisions of most characters, and I want to explain in the best of my capabilities the two main reasons for why Ainz allowed the workers to come into Nazarick in the first place: 1. The first reason should have been explained when Ainz was in the throne room, all of this was an experiment to test Nazarick defense protocol, in the Ln its explained that Nazarick needs gold of Yggdrasil to repair damage done to the tomb, they wanted to test how much gold Nazarick would need to use in the case that invaders of a high rank came to raid Nazarick and made damage. 2. The second one comes more as a spoiler, so, if you want to continue Overlord blindly skip this one: Now with that out of the way we come into the subjective thing of the enjoyment. Overlord since the beginning was a dark story, and again, this doesn’t comes across in the anime but a lot of characters have tragic backstories, in the first season of overlord the driver that planed the attack on Solution and Sebas carriage, and the necromancer who planed all the things in the cemetery had decently tragic backstories, so having a character with backstories die is nothing new. My best explanation on why people like this episode is because its different. Overlord takes a different approach to the situations shown in other anime or Ln, it likes to show tragic backstories and not making them the main focus, here, the power of friendship doesn’t win what wins is raw and simple numbers, here the protagonist doesn’t go out is way to be kind, here Ainz only works for benefits. For me Overlord is a series that is just different from the rest, in a way I have seen so little shows do. Of course, if you don’t like it, that is your opinion, I will not force you to like it, I will not change the way you think, because that is what makes you, well you. If something came across as wrong or preachy I sincerely apologies for it, and if something isn’t clear enough or I just told it in a convoluted way fell free to ask. |
| @AzorAhai It's funny how we've alts defending this episode now... Don't pay them much attention. |
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| Also quite funny we are arguing morals in a dark fantasy show with villains as the protagonist. So many snowflakes here lol |
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AzorAhai said: I was expecting this "what about violence in games" subject to arise. Though i agree with the fact that violent games doesn't necessarily make players violent, tell me how many games are there that allows you to torture and kill innocent people - npcs with ACTUAL personalities. I cant remember any game and i've played a lot. Theres a reason why such games don't exist. You might steam roll 1000 people with a tank in a game, but these 1000 people will be back after the game is reloaded. Even though they might scream, they are cheap and fake "humans" and you might not really feel anything, even though its still disturbing. This Anime though, tries purposely to make these npcs as human-like as possible, thus despite it being a fiction i can not be ok with people laughing and asking for more or worse outcomes when disturbing things are happening. Only a sick person would actually find an excuse when watching this crap with joy. Its like those people who masturbate to loli porn and then say its just a drawing bruh, im no pedo. There must be something wrong with you if you're ok with that type of content, there's just no other way. I think you really confuse the in-universe and meta-level for too much. On meta-level, none of those characters are real, and no damage to real world is done. In-universe, those people are alive, and an episode shows us how villain's action ruin innocent (and not-so-innocent) lives. It suppose to be a tragic moment. Yes, you can argue that overlord is horribly written, but what do you expect, it's light-novel, Japanese pulp literature that monetizes fan-fiction. You obviously have no issue with shows like Berzerk or Attack on Titan, which also shows deaths of the innocents, and I bet you have no issue with other gore-fests like Terraformars or Tokyo Ghoul, so why you have problem with Overlord specifically? |
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edgelordAinz said: People will have issue with berserk if say: Only grifith matters grifith and ganishka, is the same person or from the same group NO GUTTS to balance it out griffith is a p2w botter that likes to PK lowbies all the time grifith do matchpump and only that, being a one trick pony at that too (google "マッチポンプ jisho") Berzerk dark fantasy and it wouldn't change a single bit if Griffith was a villain and the protagonist in the same time. Ultimately, it would boil down to evil men doing evil things, which is practically dark fantasy in a nutshell. Abusing power, bullying weaker or slaying innocents is thematically very appropriate for a villain. Yes, there is a small problem that Momonga wasn't evil sorcerer from the get go, but a normal a bit ignorant man trying to roleplay and get caught it it. This isn't executed the best, but hints are there. Otherwise, you have a point. Overlord failed to provide a worthy opposition. Assuming Ainz actions were secret until the certain point, it would make sense a serious opponents would also appear later, but so far there is nothing suggesting they will ever appear. I personally assume Overlord was never thought through to that point, it run on initial message and never grow past it. And it didn't executed that message very well, but you know, light novel... edgelordAinz said: PS. Is that your drawing? thats awesome gib me your pixiv or something Sadly, no, that's not my drawing. I just put that into my signature because I liked it. |
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| Oh boy, if you're angry at this, you better don't know what happened to them in the original web-novel. OT: Ainz is a villain doing bad things, that's the whole point of the show, if you don't like that, don't watch it. |
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kenji1104 said: what do you mean i like it for the plot not because people suffer and stuff? The story itself is sick and the animated version is no better. I don't know if you meant something else with those words. I did like the plot myself but now there's nothing left to like. Ainz wasn't a heartless monster and i did say why i thought so in this thread to another guy. I can't take pleasure watching a 15 year old getting killed in shock and then dismembered/devoured and all this taken lightly by people and making jokes. It's a fiction, but it's disturbing how it caused anything else but rage and disgust from the audience. That's all i'm ranting about.I didn't know watching a show about an evil overlord can make one person bad or sick in the mind, guess I am mentally ill to like this type of content because of story reasons, not because I take pleasure in the suffering of the characters lol |
AzorAhai said: what do you mean i like it for the plot not because people suffer and stuff? The story itself is sick and the animated version is no better. I don't know if you meant something else with those words. I did like the plot myself but now there's nothing left to like. Ainz wasn't a heartless monster and i did say why i thought so in this thread to another guy. I can't take pleasure watching a 15 year old getting killed in shock and then dismembered/devoured and all this taken lightly by people and making jokes. It's a fiction, but it's disturbing how it caused anything else but rage and disgust from the audience. That's all i'm ranting about. Again, dark fantasy genre. Evil men doing evil things is a point. Dark fantasy in anime is filled to the brim with a torture porn, it's not like those things are exclusive to Overlord, besides other overly dark shows doesn't have necessarily better writing. |
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edgelordAinz said: Sorry to disagree, but berserk is a masterpiece as it is. You can't say Monalisa would still be the same even if it was drawn as a guy right? It's those precious subtlety in any work of art that makes it great, like a nanometer divergence of line made of ink used to express those soft looking belly in your avatar. Back to overlord, it cleverly disguised itself as something interesting but turns out that there's no subtlety, the MC think and acts only for the sake of benefit and nothing more, its vulgar, much like a porn. So I came to hate it. Attack on Titan have to subtlety. Tokyo Ghoul have no subtlety, neither does Akame Ga Kill, or Terraformars, or Drifters, or what have you. Even Elfen Lied is a mindless gore. Berzerk have a benefit of being older and thus being something everything is compared against, but it also isn't anything more than an over-the-top gore fest that shocked everyone with its brutality and cynicism. |
beast_regardsSep 1, 2018 11:14 AM
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ThatLamp said: Mr.AzorAhai, excuse me for just suddenly appear to write a wall of text, but I want to write my take on why people enjoy episode 9. I will be the first to admit that the anime isn’t very good at explaining most of the thought process that goes into the decisions of most characters, and I want to explain in the best of my capabilities the two main reasons for why Ainz allowed the workers to come into Nazarick in the first place: 1. The first reason should have been explained when Ainz was in the throne room, all of this was an experiment to test Nazarick defense protocol, in the Ln its explained that Nazarick needs gold of Yggdrasil to repair damage done to the tomb, they wanted to test how much gold Nazarick would need to use in the case that invaders of a high rank came to raid Nazarick and made damage. 2. The second one comes more as a spoiler, so, if you want to continue Overlord blindly skip this one: Now with that out of the way we come into the subjective thing of the enjoyment. Overlord since the beginning was a dark story, and again, this doesn’t comes across in the anime but a lot of characters have tragic backstories, in the first season of overlord the driver that planed the attack on Solution and Sebas carriage, and the necromancer who planed all the things in the cemetery had decently tragic backstories, so having a character with backstories die is nothing new. My best explanation on why people like this episode is because its different. Overlord takes a different approach to the situations shown in other anime or Ln, it likes to show tragic backstories and not making them the main focus, here, the power of friendship doesn’t win what wins is raw and simple numbers, here the protagonist doesn’t go out is way to be kind, here Ainz only works for benefits. For me Overlord is a series that is just different from the rest, in a way I have seen so little shows do. Of course, if you don’t like it, that is your opinion, I will not force you to like it, I will not change the way you think, because that is what makes you, well you. If something came across as wrong or preachy I sincerely apologies for it, and if something isn’t clear enough or I just told it in a convoluted way fell free to ask. Thank you for the reply friend. No need to apologize. I see a lot was left out in the anime, but you basically state why it happened. What i'm ranting is about people enjoying unjustifiable violence and cruelty displayed in this and the last episode. The story is indeed unique, but i can't seem to be able to find a justifiable reason to like Ainz after he revealed himself to be a monster. Up to this moment me and many others were misled into thinking that Ainz was simply playing a bad guy. It turned out he's a sadist and a rotten person. I failed to find a reason to root for such creature, i mean he will continue his butchering without anny opposition. What's fun in that? It's like watching a story about unbeatable/unstoppable nazi army doing countless atrocities on their way towards world domination. Would people actually enjoy seeing how innocents are trampled and experimented on while the glorious fuhrer becomes the god of his servants? I'm sure some people would love it. I just hope it won't be top 100 highly rated stories of all time, like this one. |
| This is literally the shit I want from this anime. Gimme more unjust slaughter and torture, make people suffer for no reason. It's ridiculous, and over the top, and I love when the anime has moments like that. |
CondemneDio said: This is literally the shit I want from this anime. Gimme more unjust slaughter and torture, make people suffer for no reason. It's ridiculous, and over the top, and I love when the anime has moments like that. CondemneDio said: this guy... xD xD xDThis is literally the shit I want from this anime. Gimme more unjust slaughter and torture, make people suffer for no reason. It's ridiculous, and over the top, and I love when the anime has moments like that. |
AzorAhai said: CondemneDio said: This is literally the shit I want from this anime. Gimme more unjust slaughter and torture, make people suffer for no reason. It's ridiculous, and over the top, and I love when the anime has moments like that. I'm guessing you're attempting to ridicule me? |
beast_regards said: hahaha it's funny since i did also rant quite hard about deaths of innocents when Eren went apeshit on civilians in aot, and people were like "well deserved" or "that's war" and stuff. Tokyo ghoul is one of the worst animes in my list as well. And who said i prefer Berserk over overlord. Unlike overlord, Berserk never tried to hide what it actually was. Gore, violence and injustice was all over the place from the begining. Overlord on the other hand is filled with boring sub-characters and Ain suddenly changed from a relatable character to a monster. There's basically no one left there in the story to root for, unlike berserk. I mean it's obvious bad guys will win here, and why should i root for good guys, they'll be annihilated no matter how hard they train or no matter how righteous their motives are. Yet instead of progressing the plot, anime will keep building the world and wasting time on minor characters like lizardmen or Goblin vullage as if any of that and them matters. Berserk is not that bland, even though i hated a lot of elements especially rape or child killing.AzorAhai said: I was expecting this "what about violence in games" subject to arise. Though i agree with the fact that violent games doesn't necessarily make players violent, tell me how many games are there that allows you to torture and kill innocent people - npcs with ACTUAL personalities. I cant remember any game and i've played a lot. Theres a reason why such games don't exist. You might steam roll 1000 people with a tank in a game, but these 1000 people will be back after the game is reloaded. Even though they might scream, they are cheap and fake "humans" and you might not really feel anything, even though its still disturbing. This Anime though, tries purposely to make these npcs as human-like as possible, thus despite it being a fiction i can not be ok with people laughing and asking for more or worse outcomes when disturbing things are happening. Only a sick person would actually find an excuse when watching this crap with joy. Its like those people who masturbate to loli porn and then say its just a drawing bruh, im no pedo. There must be something wrong with you if you're ok with that type of content, there's just no other way. I think you really confuse the in-universe and meta-level for too much. On meta-level, none of those characters are real, and no damage to real world is done. In-universe, those people are alive, and an episode shows us how villain's action ruin innocent (and not-so-innocent) lives. It suppose to be a tragic moment. Yes, you can argue that overlord is horribly written, but what do you expect, it's light-novel, Japanese pulp literature that monetizes fan-fiction. You obviously have no issue with shows like Berzerk or Attack on Titan, which also shows deaths of the innocents, and I bet you have no issue with other gore-fests like Terraformars or Tokyo Ghoul, so why you have problem with Overlord specifically? |
| I honestly thought you were aiming to make me laugh. I hope you weren't expecting to be taken seriously. Though i am also not trying to ridicule you. You just really made me laugh there. |
AzorAhai said: CondemneDio said: I honestly thought you were aiming to make me laugh. I hope you weren't expecting to be taken seriously. Though i am also not trying to ridicule you. You just really made me laugh there.I'm guessing you're attempting to ridicule me? I mean, it's the only real reason to watch the show, right? Isekai anime are dime a dozen, but one where the main cast are evil is another thing. |
AzorAhai said: hahaha it's funny since i did also rant quite hard about deaths of innocents when Eren went apeshit on civilians in aot, and people were like "well deserved" or "that's war" and stuff. Tokyo ghoul is one of the worst animes in my list as well. And who said i prefer Berserk over overlord. Unlike overlord, Berserk never tried to hide what it actually was. Gore, violence and injustice was all over the place from the begining. Overlord on the other hand is filled with boring sub-characters and Ain suddenly changed from a relatable character to a monster. There's basically no one left there in the story to root for, unlike berserk. I mean it's obvious bad guys will win here, and why should i root for good guys, they'll be annihilated no matter how hard they train or no matter how righteous their motives are. Yet instead of progressing the plot, anime will keep building the world and wasting time on minor characters like lizardmen or Goblin vullage as if any of that and them matters. Berserk is not that bland, even though i hated a lot of elements especially rape or child killing. I never felt there is anyone to root for in Berzerk. Guts is a psychopath without any likable traits whatsoever and world he exist in is so irredeemable and corrupt it doesn't deserve to exist. It is simply so dark I can't bring myself to care anymore. If story doesn't care, why should I? Overlord didn't started so dark and hopeless, it was still possible to care and/or consider characters likeable... I already wrote (was it this thread or another) what I think Overlord is about... Problem with the Overlord is that it doesn't have any overarching plan, neither protagonist nor the author have one, and story is meant to be endless, continue as long as novel sells. If story was about the corruption of power and downfall of the morality of the common man, I think story of the Overlord was supposed to end at the point Momonga abandoned his previous identity and become the titular Overlord (who indeed is an monster with all what it includes). A best time in the story line is when he actually declares his own Empire, or rather a kingdom. (roughly end of this season) But it didn't happened this way. Psychological aspects of this are handled pretty bad to be honest, but intent to subvert the usual Isekai story is visibly there, it just going nowhere due to aforementioned lack of any long term plan. Simply said, Ainz doesn't really want to conquer the world, and author doesn't want his character to conquer the world, because story would finish there and publishers would be very unhappy... I don't think it was thought through on any meaningful detail and things that keep popping up are things author simply thought it was cool. |
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CondemneDio said: So you've been watching this anime solely for the suffering of innocents, torture and violence? Another joke xD? I mean that's not what this anime was all about, at least not in season 1.AzorAhai said: I honestly thought you were aiming to make me laugh. I hope you weren't expecting to be taken seriously. Though i am also not trying to ridicule you. You just really made me laugh there. I mean, it's the only real reason to watch the show, right? Isekai anime are dime a dozen, but one where the main cast are evil is another thing. |
beast_regards said: That summarises it pretty well.AzorAhai said: hahaha it's funny since i did also rant quite hard about deaths of innocents when Eren went apeshit on civilians in aot, and people were like "well deserved" or "that's war" and stuff. Tokyo ghoul is one of the worst animes in my list as well. And who said i prefer Berserk over overlord. Unlike overlord, Berserk never tried to hide what it actually was. Gore, violence and injustice was all over the place from the begining. Overlord on the other hand is filled with boring sub-characters and Ain suddenly changed from a relatable character to a monster. There's basically no one left there in the story to root for, unlike berserk. I mean it's obvious bad guys will win here, and why should i root for good guys, they'll be annihilated no matter how hard they train or no matter how righteous their motives are. Yet instead of progressing the plot, anime will keep building the world and wasting time on minor characters like lizardmen or Goblin vullage as if any of that and them matters. Berserk is not that bland, even though i hated a lot of elements especially rape or child killing. I never felt there is anyone to root for in Berzerk. Guts is a psychopath without any likable traits whatsoever and world he exist in is so irredeemable and corrupt it doesn't deserve to exist. It is simply so dark I can't bring myself to care anymore. If story doesn't care, why should I? Overlord didn't started so dark and hopeless, it was still possible to care and/or consider characters likeable... I already wrote (was it this thread or another) what I think Overlord is about... Problem with the Overlord is that it doesn't have any overarching plan, neither protagonist nor the author have one, and story is meant to be endless, continue as long as novel sells. If story was about the corruption of power and downfall of the morality of the common man, I think story of the Overlord was supposed to end at the point Momonga abandoned his previous identity and become the titular Overlord (who indeed is an monster with all what it includes). A best time in the story line is when he actually declares his own Empire, or rather a kingdom. (roughly end of this season) But it didn't happened this way. Psychological aspects of this are handled pretty bad to be honest, but intent to subvert the usual Isekai story is visibly there, it just going nowhere due to aforementioned lack of any long term plan. Simply said, Ainz doesn't really want to conquer the world, and author doesn't want his character to conquer the world, because story would finish there and publishers would be very unhappy... I don't think it was thought through on any meaningful detail and things that keep popping up are things author simply thought it was cool. |
AzorAhai said: CondemneDio said: So you've been watching this anime solely for the suffering of innocents, torture and violence? Another joke xD? I mean that's not what this anime was all about, at least not in season 1.I mean, it's the only real reason to watch the show, right? Isekai anime are dime a dozen, but one where the main cast are evil is another thing. Difference in opinion I guess. As far as my opinion is concerned, Overlord should be about being an overlord *roll the credits* edgelordAinz said: CondemneDio said: I mean, it's the only real reason to watch the show, right? Isekai anime are dime a dozen, but one where the main cast are evil is another thing. I almost jumped on you and start attacking.. phew You see, for that stuff you mentioned to be a reason to watch Overlord is like giving Maruyama an easy money. Overlord is dissapointing, there's only evil guy doing evil stuff, and it get worse as it progress, played straight like those dime a dozen torture hentai. Unique world, names and design only serves as an excuse for all that evil stuff to happen and those evil guy to do it more. Also its a waste of talent to have so-bin designed the character meticulously only to be killed on introduction, kinda rude to the artist don't you think? Do understand that there are fans that demands more, and its up to Maruyama whether he can provide or not. lol Yup, it's disappointing, but for different reasons that you'd probably give. The world is hardly unique, it's as basic as a basic fantasy world can be, really. The characaters are there only to 1) be a tool for the MC or 2) die. |
edgelordAinz said: Lets just say I agree to make it simple. That all those works mentioned were over-the-top gore fest designed only to shock and disturb its audience. The difference is: While most dark fantasy have those atrocities to drive the narrative Overlord is having said atrocities AS the narrative. compare the two: 1. A dog killed, and then the MC seeks revenge, MC gets another dog. 2. A dog killed by the MC. MC goes to look for another dog to kill. Overlord is number 2, just to make it clear. It isn't unique in that regard. Atrocities are the narrative for most "torture porn" or "gore fest" anime like Tokyo Ghoul (which in turn is far more worse than Overlord). Old anime aren't exactly free from this. Narrative of Elfen Lied atrocities are the narrative. And it even involves killing a dog. Yes, Overlord have its flaws, but I think it is because it wasn't thought through far than volume 3 and didn't had a reason to continue the story past volume 9 (of 13 currently) |
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CondemneDio said: hmm i see you don't give it too much thought. Ok.AzorAhai said: So you've been watching this anime solely for the suffering of innocents, torture and violence? Another joke xD? I mean that's not what this anime was all about, at least not in season 1. Difference in opinion I guess. As far as my opinion is concerned, Overlord should be about being an overlord *roll the credits* edgelordAinz said: I almost jumped on you and start attacking.. phew You see, for that stuff you mentioned to be a reason to watch Overlord is like giving Maruyama an easy money. Overlord is dissapointing, there's only evil guy doing evil stuff, and it get worse as it progress, played straight like those dime a dozen torture hentai. Unique world, names and design only serves as an excuse for all that evil stuff to happen and those evil guy to do it more. Also its a waste of talent to have so-bin designed the character meticulously only to be killed on introduction, kinda rude to the artist don't you think? Do understand that there are fans that demands more, and its up to Maruyama whether he can provide or not. lol Yup, it's disappointing, but for different reasons that you'd probably give. The world is hardly unique, it's as basic as a basic fantasy world can be, really. The characaters are there only to 1) be a tool for the MC or 2) die. |
Gator said: Necromia said: Nazaric was pillaged and so was Carne village. It's okay to kill the people who invaded Carne village but not Nazaric? The workers intention was to kill who ever lived in Nazaric without first investigating the ruins of sentient life. The workers only killed mindless skeletons in Nazarick, you can't compare that with the villagers. Those skeletons don't live, they don't talk. There was no "sentient being" there who told the workers to leave their home, they simply got baited into thinking it's just an tomb full with mindless undead. They still pillaged. Hamsuke was attacked. You really think if they ran into anyone else sentient but weaker from Nazaric they would have left them alone if it meant fulfilling more of their greed? They knew Carne village was close but decided to be discrete. They knew what they were doing was a dirty job. Gator said: Transferring your concept to the real world would mean that the researchers who explored the pyramids in Egypt should also have been killed. Your analogy is flawed. The pyramids of Egypt didn't have traps and were known to be empty. Nazaric had traps and creatures in it. It was a newly found tomb that wasn't properly investigated. |
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