How can people hate on this? This show's a hidden gem

May 8, 2018 3:25 PM

#51

ItzYaBoiSatan

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mcrta_weeb said:

ItzYaBoiSatan said:

wow u just get smarter and smarter

get a life please or respond something better if you have to respond

i have a life...if i didn't i wouldn't be here...i guess you're not that smart

May 8, 2018 6:23 PM

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Yautja

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Take it from the guy engaging with the most salty and ineloquent people on this thread. Unless the person says something stupid or something you can easily tear down, ignore them. Trading insults, or even acknowledging their insults without having an avenue to publicly tear down and hang up obvious backwards thinking for everyone to see is a waste of energy. When some idiot insults you for your opinion, you don't even have to waste your energy telling them they're an idiot because everyone you would care about knowing that can already see it.

May 9, 2018 6:06 AM

#53

KryzakamiHrybami

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Yautja said:

Hrybami said:

Yautja said:

Octopusball said:

Yautja said:

Wow, okay. I'm sorry I can't sit here and respond to the entirety of your message, but I'm deciding at this point that I'm done with this conversation. Not to come off rude but my limited vocabulary can't better express that you're some robotic existence that can't think outside of the logical box of textbook science. It's sad because you probably won't ever really understand what I mean, but I'm also partly to blame for not being able to express it in a way you'd get it. There are just too many people who are as uninspired as that and you're just another. It's just so nice to not have to think so earnestly human, I suppose.

My bad for trying to learn and engage something like that, yikes. It's okay though, this is the internet and we don't know each other–much less need to care. I'm leaving for the sake of my sanity. Feel free to respond but I won't be replying from here on forth. I'm sure you'd probably want to have the last say anyway. (⁶ੌ௰⁶ੌ๑)

Oh, and thanks for the coding tip!

Have a good one.

It's sad that using reason qualifies someone as a robotic existence who doesn't use emotion to you. I clearly accepted that emotions are valid, not all things conform to logic and are free to be as they please, but they do not change facts or logic. I don't mind that you like the show. But I will say that you're wrong when you say the show is good without providing evidence to support that. When discussing and evaluating anything, logic will be present. If there was no logic, reason or base for anything, everything would be random and nonsensical. Also known as insanity or chaos.
If you are unhappy with that, perhaps you should speak to others and gain what they see from that thinking and this conversation. Think on it yourself, why people like me are like why we are, or talk to a psychiatrist, who most certainly would have interesting views on this sort of thing. Or anyone you think may provide good feedback.

I perfectly understand what you mean in every response you've made to me, but I am saying you're generally wrong in most of the statements of those responses. I have detailed why I believe that, and have provided support to that but you have elected to ignore it by not reading it. Being logical and having different views that do not align with your own does not make someone uninspired, but different. Again, you fail to provide any reasoning, support or evidence for your statements.

You did no wrong trying to engage, but you, like OP, were not trying to learn anything. You were trying to argue your opinion and I was trying to argue mine. You've decided to leave, and that's fine. Also, you earlier said that I was being defensive or trying to provoke you, but now the shoe is on the other foot. You're playing the victim to a person who has not done anything against you, or insulted you, but has challenged your statements and beliefs.

I'm not responding because I want the last word, but because I have something to say. If you made a response I didn't have anything to say to, I wouldn't. Having the last word in a conversation like this is largely irrelevant, and I thought I made it abundantly clear I could not care less for such a childish and pointless sentiment.

You don't seem to realize that you don't even input opinion at all. You just point out things and apply your logic to it to make it seems like it's a fact. While the only justification you give is that you're an expert. In other word you say: Dude, trust me. It's sad because you won't accept other's opinion for the only reason that they didn't apply to your logic. And you even brought perception as it could prove something objectively. You barely even make sense yourself.

One other thing. Just because someone doesn't provide reasoning to his claim doesn't mean he fail to prove his stances. We're on a forum about anime, not in a courthouse. There's no obligation for anyone to write an essay each time someone want to express his opinion. Not everyone is interested to demonstrate each abstract concept of a show just for bringing some sort of justification of an opinion. Justification that are, and I really need to say that, are just as much subjective than the opinion itself. You better just accommodate to that or you should leave because your long-ass rant is mostly annoying and arrogant rather than contributing to the thread.

People like you should know where your place is.

Except I do and I have. My opinion is everywhere if you bothered to actually read what I said. It's annoying to have to reiterate every point I've made because someone doesn't care enough to read the entire conversation before making an informed comment. But, since I'm bothering to spend my time responding, I'll do so properly.

My opinion. I do not like the show. The show is bad. I think the romance is poorly done, the attraction between the two was haphazard. It came out of no where. The story is unoriginal. The entirety that this show can be broken down to is Hot dangerous guy tries to overcome his dangerous nature for shy beautiful girl.

The facts. The animation is bad. There is no arguing this. Look at the fight scenes. Look at the background characters. It's colored very flatly, meaning that torso, face, pants, hair are all mono colored. There is no shading, no mixing. It also stutters and jumps around. The animation is of a decent quality only during very simple slow scenes. That is because this requires less effort to make such scenes high quality as the changes are minimal changes as compared to a fight scene which are very dynamic and change a lot. The side characters also lack attention. Look at the bartender's mouth during the latest episode. It's awful. Look at the attacking vampire's animation.
The Voice Acting is bad. The background characters are all very monotonous, and again during scenes which require emotion or realism it falls short. The fight scenes or pain scenes sound forced and poorly done. Such as when Anzai is suffering or a random Vamp is attacking. Regular speaking scenes are pretty regular, but scenes which require effort are not.
The story is not special. No matter how you look at it. I cannot find one aspect that seems completely original or well done. The main girl fell in love with a guy who she met once or twice who randomly shows up on her balcony and attacked her. This is not likely, and does not provide a reason. Just that she did. The only possible reason is that he saved her from being raped and murdered by her serial killer rapist friend. The only problem with that is he subsequently attacked her. The story's template is common. Beauty and the Beast. Vampire and Girl. So far, there is no bigger plot than their relationship. As such, as things stand, the story is not special, it is not original. It is not high quality.

Yes, that's exactly what it means. Someone can say they believe something, or that something is true. That's fine, but if he doesn't provide reasoning or facts to back that, he did not prove it, only that he believes it. I'm not going to believe it. I'm not saying people have to do this in all situations. But if they want me or others to believe something as truth they do, they have to provide reasons and facts. I'm not going to blindly believe something I'm not given adequate reason or support to believe. It's not about demonstrating abstract concepts, it's about properly expressing and vocalizing your opinions, and backing them with reason and facts. If you don't do this fine. But failing to do so results in them failing to achieve their purpose. Finally, justifications, are not subjective if done properly. To justify something is to provide reasoning or prove correctness. If it is done properly it is accepted. Justifications that one does not agree with but must be accepted exist. An easy example would be the US election. The popular vote vs the electoral vote. If a someone wins the popular vote but not the electoral, even though they are the most voted for, they are not president due to the system set in place. That is a justification. Not your poor attempt at misrepresenting my arguments by lying and saying my only justification is my education.

You see, you confuse rant with explanation. Addressing every aspect of a persons statement and properly forming your own is scarcely short. A rant is also done by someone angry or passionate. I don't think you've been reading properly if you interpret my responses as rants. I've not been "shouting" as much as one can via text, excessively swearing, name calling, insulting or doing other such common things in rants as you or most of the people I've been responding to. Also, if you want 'proof' of my schooling or 'expertise', which is a word I used to mock a poor attempt at disregarding my statements similar to yours, I'd be happy to answer any questions or provide my location of schooling, and courses.

There is nothing more arrogant than telling a person to know their place, so instead I'll tell you to actually give me a reason to believe anything you said, and then I'll care.

What a pointless wall of text consisting of meaningless talks. There are so much things you're doing wrong that I don't know where to give my head to. I obviously won't bother mentioning everything you did wrong and explain why, but I'll at least give you some tips: Just stop saying people don't bother reading you. People have read you and mostly already noticed that your text is worthless since it's just attempt to make objective reasoning of 50% obvious things nobody cares and 50% just your opinion also nobody cares. I don't even want to start with why an anime can't be judged objectively, I'll just ignore it for today. Otherwise, a justification is still subjective since everyone give their own justification to their reasoning. So who cares if a reasoning comes with their justification if they are just as much subjective? The fact that you intended to prove all your reasoning previously and still, not everyone agreed with you is a proof that they don't bring much more credibility to your claims. The reason is that we're not here trying to find a culprit, but just discussing an ensemble of abstract things known as an anime. It's totally pointless to argue about "facts" when evaluating a show under criteria which doesn't contain any. They are matter of perspective, thus they can't be less subjective.

If you still want to do it, then go ahead and continue to give pointless justification to your opinion. Nobody is against that as long as you don't start crying when someone refuse to give their own justification. It's your right if you don't believe people, but at least understand that not everyone believe what you say either no matter how amazing your justifications are. No matter how amazing the justification that a certain coffee brand is better than the other. If I like the other brand more, I will still prefer that brand afterwards.

I don't know, you're like the combination of every type of characters I dislike in this world. I'm actually having a hard time believing you're real. You constantly make false assumptions about your interlocutors. You completely miss the point we make because a word is misused. You just try to be as much arrogant or annoying as possible. I don't even watch this anime. I just happened to read you here and it was an exhausting experience enough to push me to say something. I just wanted to say to you to know your place. And I'm saying this as an irl advice. I've seen many people like you who boosted their ego like that and the mistake they make is that they do not know who they are talking to and it happens that some of them are their boss, their superiors or just people with significantly better expertise than them. And this never end well in those situations. Knowledge should always come with wisdom. You won't see a doctor looking down to their patients because they neglect their health. When I said know your place, I referred to if you are actually really that smart, then stop looking down on people and start to act adequately. Because, here, you were losing all your credibility and that is the exact reason why people are having a hard time believing you and taking you seriously. You see, if you don't accompany your knowledge with enough wisdom, then your knowledge means absolutely nothing.

If you want to be useful here and spend time writing things people will eagerly read, I suggest you to explore the themes the anime have to offer. There are so much things to discuss about in anime other than show is shit or show is gud. There are so many interesting topics to talk about in anime and I believe they are times more worth spending upon rather than focusing on these matter of perspectives or justification of reasoning nobody truly care.

Or you still can be a douchebag and continue mocking people here if that's really what make you happy. But then, you'd just continue to lose all your credibility.

May 9, 2018 10:07 AM

#54

mcrta_weeb

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Yautja said:

Take it from the guy engaging with the most salty and ineloquent people on this thread. Unless the person says something stupid or something you can easily tear down, ignore them. Trading insults, or even acknowledging their insults without having an avenue to publicly tear down and hang up obvious backwards thinking for everyone to see is a waste of energy. When some idiot insults you for your opinion, you don't even have to waste your energy telling them they're an idiot because everyone you would care about knowing that can already see it.

I'm confused if you're against me or the other user?

May 9, 2018 10:07 AM

#55

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ItzYaBoiSatan said:

mcrta_weeb said:

get a life please or respond something better if you have to respond

i have a life...if i didn't i wouldn't be here...i guess you're not that smart

If you had a life you'd do something else than go on MAL and watch anime all the time

May 9, 2018 10:50 AM

#56

ItzYaBoiSatan

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mcrta_weeb said:

ItzYaBoiSatan said:

i have a life...if i didn't i wouldn't be here...i guess you're not that smart

If you had a life you'd do something else than go on MAL and watch anime all the time

you just made no sense...if i didn't have life i'd be dead buried under the ground but im alive so im on MAL and also i dont watch anime on MAL i just look or register anime. get yo shit right

May 9, 2018 11:21 AM

#57

Yautja

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Hrybami said:

Yautja said:

Hrybami said:

Yautja said:

Octopusball said:

Yautja said:

Wow, okay. I'm sorry I can't sit here and respond to the entirety of your message, but I'm deciding at this point that I'm done with this conversation. Not to come off rude but my limited vocabulary can't better express that you're some robotic existence that can't think outside of the logical box of textbook science. It's sad because you probably won't ever really understand what I mean, but I'm also partly to blame for not being able to express it in a way you'd get it. There are just too many people who are as uninspired as that and you're just another. It's just so nice to not have to think so earnestly human, I suppose.

My bad for trying to learn and engage something like that, yikes. It's okay though, this is the internet and we don't know each other–much less need to care. I'm leaving for the sake of my sanity. Feel free to respond but I won't be replying from here on forth. I'm sure you'd probably want to have the last say anyway. (⁶ੌ௰⁶ੌ๑)

Oh, and thanks for the coding tip!

Have a good one.

It's sad that using reason qualifies someone as a robotic existence who doesn't use emotion to you. I clearly accepted that emotions are valid, not all things conform to logic and are free to be as they please, but they do not change facts or logic. I don't mind that you like the show. But I will say that you're wrong when you say the show is good without providing evidence to support that. When discussing and evaluating anything, logic will be present. If there was no logic, reason or base for anything, everything would be random and nonsensical. Also known as insanity or chaos.
If you are unhappy with that, perhaps you should speak to others and gain what they see from that thinking and this conversation. Think on it yourself, why people like me are like why we are, or talk to a psychiatrist, who most certainly would have interesting views on this sort of thing. Or anyone you think may provide good feedback.

I perfectly understand what you mean in every response you've made to me, but I am saying you're generally wrong in most of the statements of those responses. I have detailed why I believe that, and have provided support to that but you have elected to ignore it by not reading it. Being logical and having different views that do not align with your own does not make someone uninspired, but different. Again, you fail to provide any reasoning, support or evidence for your statements.

You did no wrong trying to engage, but you, like OP, were not trying to learn anything. You were trying to argue your opinion and I was trying to argue mine. You've decided to leave, and that's fine. Also, you earlier said that I was being defensive or trying to provoke you, but now the shoe is on the other foot. You're playing the victim to a person who has not done anything against you, or insulted you, but has challenged your statements and beliefs.

I'm not responding because I want the last word, but because I have something to say. If you made a response I didn't have anything to say to, I wouldn't. Having the last word in a conversation like this is largely irrelevant, and I thought I made it abundantly clear I could not care less for such a childish and pointless sentiment.

You don't seem to realize that you don't even input opinion at all. You just point out things and apply your logic to it to make it seems like it's a fact. While the only justification you give is that you're an expert. In other word you say: Dude, trust me. It's sad because you won't accept other's opinion for the only reason that they didn't apply to your logic. And you even brought perception as it could prove something objectively. You barely even make sense yourself.

One other thing. Just because someone doesn't provide reasoning to his claim doesn't mean he fail to prove his stances. We're on a forum about anime, not in a courthouse. There's no obligation for anyone to write an essay each time someone want to express his opinion. Not everyone is interested to demonstrate each abstract concept of a show just for bringing some sort of justification of an opinion. Justification that are, and I really need to say that, are just as much subjective than the opinion itself. You better just accommodate to that or you should leave because your long-ass rant is mostly annoying and arrogant rather than contributing to the thread.

People like you should know where your place is.

Except I do and I have. My opinion is everywhere if you bothered to actually read what I said. It's annoying to have to reiterate every point I've made because someone doesn't care enough to read the entire conversation before making an informed comment. But, since I'm bothering to spend my time responding, I'll do so properly.

My opinion. I do not like the show. The show is bad. I think the romance is poorly done, the attraction between the two was haphazard. It came out of no where. The story is unoriginal. The entirety that this show can be broken down to is Hot dangerous guy tries to overcome his dangerous nature for shy beautiful girl.

The facts. The animation is bad. There is no arguing this. Look at the fight scenes. Look at the background characters. It's colored very flatly, meaning that torso, face, pants, hair are all mono colored. There is no shading, no mixing. It also stutters and jumps around. The animation is of a decent quality only during very simple slow scenes. That is because this requires less effort to make such scenes high quality as the changes are minimal changes as compared to a fight scene which are very dynamic and change a lot. The side characters also lack attention. Look at the bartender's mouth during the latest episode. It's awful. Look at the attacking vampire's animation.
The Voice Acting is bad. The background characters are all very monotonous, and again during scenes which require emotion or realism it falls short. The fight scenes or pain scenes sound forced and poorly done. Such as when Anzai is suffering or a random Vamp is attacking. Regular speaking scenes are pretty regular, but scenes which require effort are not.
The story is not special. No matter how you look at it. I cannot find one aspect that seems completely original or well done. The main girl fell in love with a guy who she met once or twice who randomly shows up on her balcony and attacked her. This is not likely, and does not provide a reason. Just that she did. The only possible reason is that he saved her from being raped and murdered by her serial killer rapist friend. The only problem with that is he subsequently attacked her. The story's template is common. Beauty and the Beast. Vampire and Girl. So far, there is no bigger plot than their relationship. As such, as things stand, the story is not special, it is not original. It is not high quality.

Yes, that's exactly what it means. Someone can say they believe something, or that something is true. That's fine, but if he doesn't provide reasoning or facts to back that, he did not prove it, only that he believes it. I'm not going to believe it. I'm not saying people have to do this in all situations. But if they want me or others to believe something as truth they do, they have to provide reasons and facts. I'm not going to blindly believe something I'm not given adequate reason or support to believe. It's not about demonstrating abstract concepts, it's about properly expressing and vocalizing your opinions, and backing them with reason and facts. If you don't do this fine. But failing to do so results in them failing to achieve their purpose. Finally, justifications, are not subjective if done properly. To justify something is to provide reasoning or prove correctness. If it is done properly it is accepted. Justifications that one does not agree with but must be accepted exist. An easy example would be the US election. The popular vote vs the electoral vote. If a someone wins the popular vote but not the electoral, even though they are the most voted for, they are not president due to the system set in place. That is a justification. Not your poor attempt at misrepresenting my arguments by lying and saying my only justification is my education.

You see, you confuse rant with explanation. Addressing every aspect of a persons statement and properly forming your own is scarcely short. A rant is also done by someone angry or passionate. I don't think you've been reading properly if you interpret my responses as rants. I've not been "shouting" as much as one can via text, excessively swearing, name calling, insulting or doing other such common things in rants as you or most of the people I've been responding to. Also, if you want 'proof' of my schooling or 'expertise', which is a word I used to mock a poor attempt at disregarding my statements similar to yours, I'd be happy to answer any questions or provide my location of schooling, and courses.

There is nothing more arrogant than telling a person to know their place, so instead I'll tell you to actually give me a reason to believe anything you said, and then I'll care.

What a pointless wall of text consisting of meaningless talks. There are so much things you're doing wrong that I don't know where to give my head to. I obviously won't bother mentioning everything you did wrong and explain why, but I'll at least give you some tips: Just stop saying people don't bother reading you. People have read you and mostly already noticed that your text is worthless since it's just attempt to make objective reasoning of 50% obvious things nobody cares and 50% just your opinion also nobody cares. I don't even want to start with why an anime can't be judged objectively, I'll just ignore it for today. Otherwise, a justification is still subjective since everyone give their own justification to their reasoning. So who cares if a reasoning comes with their justification if they are just as much subjective? The fact that you intended to prove all your reasoning previously and still, not everyone agreed with you is a proof that they don't bring much more credibility to your claims. The reason is that we're not here trying to find a culprit, but just discussing an ensemble of abstract things known as an anime. It's totally pointless to argue about "facts" when evaluating a show under criteria which doesn't contain any. They are matter of perspective, thus they can't be less subjective.

If you still want to do it, then go ahead and continue to give pointless justification to your opinion. Nobody is against that as long as you don't start crying when someone refuse to give their own justification. It's your right if you don't believe people, but at least understand that not everyone believe what you say either no matter how amazing your justifications are. No matter how amazing the justification that a certain coffee brand is better than the other. If I like the other brand more, I will still prefer that brand afterwards.

I don't know, you're like the combination of every type of characters I dislike in this world. I'm actually having a hard time believing you're real. You constantly make false assumptions about your interlocutors. You completely miss the point we make because a word is misused. You just try to be as much arrogant or annoying as possible. I don't even watch this anime. I just happened to read you here and it was an exhausting experience enough to push me to say something. I just wanted to say to you to know your place. And I'm saying this as an irl advice. I've seen many people like you who boosted their ego like that and the mistake they make is that they do not know who they are talking to and it happens that some of them are their boss, their superiors or just people with significantly better expertise than them. And this never end well in those situations. Knowledge should always come with wisdom. You won't see a doctor looking down to their patients because they neglect their health. When I said know your place, I referred to if you are actually really that smart, then stop looking down on people and start to act adequately. Because, here, you were losing all your credibility and that is the exact reason why people are having a hard time believing you and taking you seriously. You see, if you don't accompany your knowledge with enough wisdom, then your knowledge means absolutely nothing.

If you want to be useful here and spend time writing things people will eagerly read, I suggest you to explore the themes the anime have to offer. There are so much things to discuss about in anime other than show is shit or show is gud. There are so many interesting topics to talk about in anime and I believe they are times more worth spending upon rather than focusing on these matter of perspectives or justification of reasoning nobody truly care.

Or you still can be a douchebag and continue mocking people here if that's really what make you happy. But then, you'd just continue to lose all your credibility.

You didn't explain anything I did wrong, and you and others are proof contrary to the statement that what I say is read as a lot of your and other peoples statements ignore or miss things I've already addressed. Every statement you made you didn't provide any justification for, ironically. You literally and I quote "won't bother" or "ignore" providing any credence to every claim you made. You didn't explain how justification is subjective when I explained the contrary, you didn't explain how what I'm doing is wrong when I explained otherwise, you didn't mention how what I'm doing is wrong when I have explained why it isn't. All you've done is claim it's pointless or wrong without providing any reason to believe you.
It's also ridiculous to think everyone will agree with you regardless of how right one is, the fact that flat earth conspiracy theorists exists is the greatest evidence to that. Almost everything can be judged objectively, that's the reasons why series live or die, why products and brands grow or shrink. And if you think anything doesn't contain any facts, you're delusional. Of course this anime contains facts. How much it cost to make, how much time was spent on each scene, how skilled the workers are, how most people rate the quality of animation, audio, story, etc, etc.

It's no more pointless to yours, as I have actually given justifications, whereas you have not. All you and the others have I argued against have done is claim your opinion as truth or and completely subjective and insult me. Whether by saying I'm crying or ranting, things which aren't true and cannot be proven to be true by you, even though you wouldn't bother putting in the effort to doing so. Your analogy falls short. All that analogy proves if your preference for said brand, not that it is any better or worse.

You keep claiming I'm making false assumptions or false reasoning but neither you nor anyone else have given an example. You just make claim after claim with no proof. Ironically, your attempt at justifying your arrogant statement of know your place fails because you don't know who I am or what I know, so I could easily turn that statement around on you and say, perhaps I am your boss, your superior or a person with significantly better expertise. Lord knows I've actually given reasons for it to be believed as opposed to you. And how am I looking down on people? I'm explaining my position, backing it up and saying you aren't. And even if I was looking down on you, why shouldn't I, when all you do is insult me and fail to back your claims? You keep going on and on about credibility, wisdom, etc, etc but you have not once provided backing to any of your statements.

You'e reading pretty eagerly considering I'm eliciting such a long winded, albeit wrong response. Again, give me a reason to believe anything you said, and then I'll care. Because as things stand, not once in your response did I you give any reason or justification to believe or care about what you said.

May 9, 2018 11:59 AM

#58

KryzakamiHrybami

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Yautja said:

Hrybami said:

Yautja said:

Hrybami said:

Yautja said:

Octopusball said:

Yautja said:

Wow, okay. I'm sorry I can't sit here and respond to the entirety of your message, but I'm deciding at this point that I'm done with this conversation. Not to come off rude but my limited vocabulary can't better express that you're some robotic existence that can't think outside of the logical box of textbook science. It's sad because you probably won't ever really understand what I mean, but I'm also partly to blame for not being able to express it in a way you'd get it. There are just too many people who are as uninspired as that and you're just another. It's just so nice to not have to think so earnestly human, I suppose.

My bad for trying to learn and engage something like that, yikes. It's okay though, this is the internet and we don't know each other–much less need to care. I'm leaving for the sake of my sanity. Feel free to respond but I won't be replying from here on forth. I'm sure you'd probably want to have the last say anyway. (⁶ੌ௰⁶ੌ๑)

Oh, and thanks for the coding tip!

Have a good one.

It's sad that using reason qualifies someone as a robotic existence who doesn't use emotion to you. I clearly accepted that emotions are valid, not all things conform to logic and are free to be as they please, but they do not change facts or logic. I don't mind that you like the show. But I will say that you're wrong when you say the show is good without providing evidence to support that. When discussing and evaluating anything, logic will be present. If there was no logic, reason or base for anything, everything would be random and nonsensical. Also known as insanity or chaos.
If you are unhappy with that, perhaps you should speak to others and gain what they see from that thinking and this conversation. Think on it yourself, why people like me are like why we are, or talk to a psychiatrist, who most certainly would have interesting views on this sort of thing. Or anyone you think may provide good feedback.

I perfectly understand what you mean in every response you've made to me, but I am saying you're generally wrong in most of the statements of those responses. I have detailed why I believe that, and have provided support to that but you have elected to ignore it by not reading it. Being logical and having different views that do not align with your own does not make someone uninspired, but different. Again, you fail to provide any reasoning, support or evidence for your statements.

You did no wrong trying to engage, but you, like OP, were not trying to learn anything. You were trying to argue your opinion and I was trying to argue mine. You've decided to leave, and that's fine. Also, you earlier said that I was being defensive or trying to provoke you, but now the shoe is on the other foot. You're playing the victim to a person who has not done anything against you, or insulted you, but has challenged your statements and beliefs.

I'm not responding because I want the last word, but because I have something to say. If you made a response I didn't have anything to say to, I wouldn't. Having the last word in a conversation like this is largely irrelevant, and I thought I made it abundantly clear I could not care less for such a childish and pointless sentiment.

You don't seem to realize that you don't even input opinion at all. You just point out things and apply your logic to it to make it seems like it's a fact. While the only justification you give is that you're an expert. In other word you say: Dude, trust me. It's sad because you won't accept other's opinion for the only reason that they didn't apply to your logic. And you even brought perception as it could prove something objectively. You barely even make sense yourself.

One other thing. Just because someone doesn't provide reasoning to his claim doesn't mean he fail to prove his stances. We're on a forum about anime, not in a courthouse. There's no obligation for anyone to write an essay each time someone want to express his opinion. Not everyone is interested to demonstrate each abstract concept of a show just for bringing some sort of justification of an opinion. Justification that are, and I really need to say that, are just as much subjective than the opinion itself. You better just accommodate to that or you should leave because your long-ass rant is mostly annoying and arrogant rather than contributing to the thread.

People like you should know where your place is.

Except I do and I have. My opinion is everywhere if you bothered to actually read what I said. It's annoying to have to reiterate every point I've made because someone doesn't care enough to read the entire conversation before making an informed comment. But, since I'm bothering to spend my time responding, I'll do so properly.

My opinion. I do not like the show. The show is bad. I think the romance is poorly done, the attraction between the two was haphazard. It came out of no where. The story is unoriginal. The entirety that this show can be broken down to is Hot dangerous guy tries to overcome his dangerous nature for shy beautiful girl.

The facts. The animation is bad. There is no arguing this. Look at the fight scenes. Look at the background characters. It's colored very flatly, meaning that torso, face, pants, hair are all mono colored. There is no shading, no mixing. It also stutters and jumps around. The animation is of a decent quality only during very simple slow scenes. That is because this requires less effort to make such scenes high quality as the changes are minimal changes as compared to a fight scene which are very dynamic and change a lot. The side characters also lack attention. Look at the bartender's mouth during the latest episode. It's awful. Look at the attacking vampire's animation.
The Voice Acting is bad. The background characters are all very monotonous, and again during scenes which require emotion or realism it falls short. The fight scenes or pain scenes sound forced and poorly done. Such as when Anzai is suffering or a random Vamp is attacking. Regular speaking scenes are pretty regular, but scenes which require effort are not.
The story is not special. No matter how you look at it. I cannot find one aspect that seems completely original or well done. The main girl fell in love with a guy who she met once or twice who randomly shows up on her balcony and attacked her. This is not likely, and does not provide a reason. Just that she did. The only possible reason is that he saved her from being raped and murdered by her serial killer rapist friend. The only problem with that is he subsequently attacked her. The story's template is common. Beauty and the Beast. Vampire and Girl. So far, there is no bigger plot than their relationship. As such, as things stand, the story is not special, it is not original. It is not high quality.

Yes, that's exactly what it means. Someone can say they believe something, or that something is true. That's fine, but if he doesn't provide reasoning or facts to back that, he did not prove it, only that he believes it. I'm not going to believe it. I'm not saying people have to do this in all situations. But if they want me or others to believe something as truth they do, they have to provide reasons and facts. I'm not going to blindly believe something I'm not given adequate reason or support to believe. It's not about demonstrating abstract concepts, it's about properly expressing and vocalizing your opinions, and backing them with reason and facts. If you don't do this fine. But failing to do so results in them failing to achieve their purpose. Finally, justifications, are not subjective if done properly. To justify something is to provide reasoning or prove correctness. If it is done properly it is accepted. Justifications that one does not agree with but must be accepted exist. An easy example would be the US election. The popular vote vs the electoral vote. If a someone wins the popular vote but not the electoral, even though they are the most voted for, they are not president due to the system set in place. That is a justification. Not your poor attempt at misrepresenting my arguments by lying and saying my only justification is my education.

You see, you confuse rant with explanation. Addressing every aspect of a persons statement and properly forming your own is scarcely short. A rant is also done by someone angry or passionate. I don't think you've been reading properly if you interpret my responses as rants. I've not been "shouting" as much as one can via text, excessively swearing, name calling, insulting or doing other such common things in rants as you or most of the people I've been responding to. Also, if you want 'proof' of my schooling or 'expertise', which is a word I used to mock a poor attempt at disregarding my statements similar to yours, I'd be happy to answer any questions or provide my location of schooling, and courses.

There is nothing more arrogant than telling a person to know their place, so instead I'll tell you to actually give me a reason to believe anything you said, and then I'll care.

What a pointless wall of text consisting of meaningless talks. There are so much things you're doing wrong that I don't know where to give my head to. I obviously won't bother mentioning everything you did wrong and explain why, but I'll at least give you some tips: Just stop saying people don't bother reading you. People have read you and mostly already noticed that your text is worthless since it's just attempt to make objective reasoning of 50% obvious things nobody cares and 50% just your opinion also nobody cares. I don't even want to start with why an anime can't be judged objectively, I'll just ignore it for today. Otherwise, a justification is still subjective since everyone give their own justification to their reasoning. So who cares if a reasoning comes with their justification if they are just as much subjective? The fact that you intended to prove all your reasoning previously and still, not everyone agreed with you is a proof that they don't bring much more credibility to your claims. The reason is that we're not here trying to find a culprit, but just discussing an ensemble of abstract things known as an anime. It's totally pointless to argue about "facts" when evaluating a show under criteria which doesn't contain any. They are matter of perspective, thus they can't be less subjective.

If you still want to do it, then go ahead and continue to give pointless justification to your opinion. Nobody is against that as long as you don't start crying when someone refuse to give their own justification. It's your right if you don't believe people, but at least understand that not everyone believe what you say either no matter how amazing your justifications are. No matter how amazing the justification that a certain coffee brand is better than the other. If I like the other brand more, I will still prefer that brand afterwards.

I don't know, you're like the combination of every type of characters I dislike in this world. I'm actually having a hard time believing you're real. You constantly make false assumptions about your interlocutors. You completely miss the point we make because a word is misused. You just try to be as much arrogant or annoying as possible. I don't even watch this anime. I just happened to read you here and it was an exhausting experience enough to push me to say something. I just wanted to say to you to know your place. And I'm saying this as an irl advice. I've seen many people like you who boosted their ego like that and the mistake they make is that they do not know who they are talking to and it happens that some of them are their boss, their superiors or just people with significantly better expertise than them. And this never end well in those situations. Knowledge should always come with wisdom. You won't see a doctor looking down to their patients because they neglect their health. When I said know your place, I referred to if you are actually really that smart, then stop looking down on people and start to act adequately. Because, here, you were losing all your credibility and that is the exact reason why people are having a hard time believing you and taking you seriously. You see, if you don't accompany your knowledge with enough wisdom, then your knowledge means absolutely nothing.

If you want to be useful here and spend time writing things people will eagerly read, I suggest you to explore the themes the anime have to offer. There are so much things to discuss about in anime other than show is shit or show is gud. There are so many interesting topics to talk about in anime and I believe they are times more worth spending upon rather than focusing on these matter of perspectives or justification of reasoning nobody truly care.

Or you still can be a douchebag and continue mocking people here if that's really what make you happy. But then, you'd just continue to lose all your credibility.

You didn't explain anything I did wrong, and you and others are proof contrary to the statement that what I say is read as a lot of your and other peoples statements ignore or miss things I've already addressed. Every statement you made you didn't provide any justification for, ironically. You literally and I quote "won't bother" or "ignore" providing any credence to every claim you made. You didn't explain how justification is subjective when I explained the contrary, you didn't explain how what I'm doing is wrong when I explained otherwise, you didn't mention how what I'm doing is wrong when I have explained why it isn't. All you've done is claim it's pointless or wrong without providing any reason to believe you.
It's also ridiculous to think everyone will agree with you regardless of how right one is, the fact that flat earth conspiracy theorists exists is the greatest evidence to that. Almost everything can be judged objectively, that's the reasons why series live or die, why products and brands grow or shrink. And if you think anything doesn't contain any facts, you're delusional. Of course this anime contains facts. How much it cost to make, how much time was spent on each scene, how skilled the workers are, how most people rate the quality of animation, audio, story, etc, etc.

It's no more pointless to yours, as I have actually given justifications, whereas you have not. All you and the others have I argued against have done is claim your opinion as truth or and completely subjective and insult me. Whether by saying I'm crying or ranting, things which aren't true and cannot be proven to be true by you, even though you wouldn't bother putting in the effort to doing so. Your analogy falls short. All that analogy proves if your preference for said brand, not that it is any better or worse.

You keep claiming I'm making false assumptions or false reasoning but neither you nor anyone else have given an example. You just make claim after claim with no proof. Ironically, your attempt at justifying your arrogant statement of know your place fails because you don't know who I am or what I know, so I could easily turn that statement around on you and say, perhaps I am your boss, your superior or a person with significantly better expertise. Lord knows I've actually given reasons for it to be believed as opposed to you. And how am I looking down on people? I'm explaining my position, backing it up and saying you aren't. And even if I was looking down on you, why shouldn't I, when all you do is insult me and fail to back your claims? You keep going on and on about credibility, wisdom, etc, etc but you have not once provided backing to any of your statements.

You'e reading pretty eagerly considering I'm eliciting such a long winded, albeit wrong response. Again, give me a reason to believe anything you said, and then I'll care. Because as things stand, not once in your response did I you give any reason or justification to believe or care about what you said.

No kid, the reason you don't believe me is not because I don't provide justification or reasons. You don't believe me because you got a serious ego problem and you try to hide your incompetence in understanding people's perspective in your meaningless talks. You have absolutely nothing to say and nothing you will say is either interesting or meaningful. I have nothing to learn from a kid who don't know who he is and pretend to know who I am. I have no time to waste on such hopeless scumbag who seriously need to fix his ego issue first.

Come talk to me if you have something interesting or intelligent to say. My advice has already been told to your innocent existence. I have nothing more to say to you. Now, go learn what it is to live in this world.

May 9, 2018 12:10 PM

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Yautja

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Hrybami said:

Yautja said:

Hrybami said:

Yautja said:

Hrybami said:

Yautja said:

Octopusball said:

Yautja said:

Wow, okay. I'm sorry I can't sit here and respond to the entirety of your message, but I'm deciding at this point that I'm done with this conversation. Not to come off rude but my limited vocabulary can't better express that you're some robotic existence that can't think outside of the logical box of textbook science. It's sad because you probably won't ever really understand what I mean, but I'm also partly to blame for not being able to express it in a way you'd get it. There are just too many people who are as uninspired as that and you're just another. It's just so nice to not have to think so earnestly human, I suppose.

My bad for trying to learn and engage something like that, yikes. It's okay though, this is the internet and we don't know each other–much less need to care. I'm leaving for the sake of my sanity. Feel free to respond but I won't be replying from here on forth. I'm sure you'd probably want to have the last say anyway. (⁶ੌ௰⁶ੌ๑)

Oh, and thanks for the coding tip!

Have a good one.

It's sad that using reason qualifies someone as a robotic existence who doesn't use emotion to you. I clearly accepted that emotions are valid, not all things conform to logic and are free to be as they please, but they do not change facts or logic. I don't mind that you like the show. But I will say that you're wrong when you say the show is good without providing evidence to support that. When discussing and evaluating anything, logic will be present. If there was no logic, reason or base for anything, everything would be random and nonsensical. Also known as insanity or chaos.
If you are unhappy with that, perhaps you should speak to others and gain what they see from that thinking and this conversation. Think on it yourself, why people like me are like why we are, or talk to a psychiatrist, who most certainly would have interesting views on this sort of thing. Or anyone you think may provide good feedback.

I perfectly understand what you mean in every response you've made to me, but I am saying you're generally wrong in most of the statements of those responses. I have detailed why I believe that, and have provided support to that but you have elected to ignore it by not reading it. Being logical and having different views that do not align with your own does not make someone uninspired, but different. Again, you fail to provide any reasoning, support or evidence for your statements.

You did no wrong trying to engage, but you, like OP, were not trying to learn anything. You were trying to argue your opinion and I was trying to argue mine. You've decided to leave, and that's fine. Also, you earlier said that I was being defensive or trying to provoke you, but now the shoe is on the other foot. You're playing the victim to a person who has not done anything against you, or insulted you, but has challenged your statements and beliefs.

I'm not responding because I want the last word, but because I have something to say. If you made a response I didn't have anything to say to, I wouldn't. Having the last word in a conversation like this is largely irrelevant, and I thought I made it abundantly clear I could not care less for such a childish and pointless sentiment.

You don't seem to realize that you don't even input opinion at all. You just point out things and apply your logic to it to make it seems like it's a fact. While the only justification you give is that you're an expert. In other word you say: Dude, trust me. It's sad because you won't accept other's opinion for the only reason that they didn't apply to your logic. And you even brought perception as it could prove something objectively. You barely even make sense yourself.

One other thing. Just because someone doesn't provide reasoning to his claim doesn't mean he fail to prove his stances. We're on a forum about anime, not in a courthouse. There's no obligation for anyone to write an essay each time someone want to express his opinion. Not everyone is interested to demonstrate each abstract concept of a show just for bringing some sort of justification of an opinion. Justification that are, and I really need to say that, are just as much subjective than the opinion itself. You better just accommodate to that or you should leave because your long-ass rant is mostly annoying and arrogant rather than contributing to the thread.

People like you should know where your place is.

Except I do and I have. My opinion is everywhere if you bothered to actually read what I said. It's annoying to have to reiterate every point I've made because someone doesn't care enough to read the entire conversation before making an informed comment. But, since I'm bothering to spend my time responding, I'll do so properly.

My opinion. I do not like the show. The show is bad. I think the romance is poorly done, the attraction between the two was haphazard. It came out of no where. The story is unoriginal. The entirety that this show can be broken down to is Hot dangerous guy tries to overcome his dangerous nature for shy beautiful girl.

The facts. The animation is bad. There is no arguing this. Look at the fight scenes. Look at the background characters. It's colored very flatly, meaning that torso, face, pants, hair are all mono colored. There is no shading, no mixing. It also stutters and jumps around. The animation is of a decent quality only during very simple slow scenes. That is because this requires less effort to make such scenes high quality as the changes are minimal changes as compared to a fight scene which are very dynamic and change a lot. The side characters also lack attention. Look at the bartender's mouth during the latest episode. It's awful. Look at the attacking vampire's animation.
The Voice Acting is bad. The background characters are all very monotonous, and again during scenes which require emotion or realism it falls short. The fight scenes or pain scenes sound forced and poorly done. Such as when Anzai is suffering or a random Vamp is attacking. Regular speaking scenes are pretty regular, but scenes which require effort are not.
The story is not special. No matter how you look at it. I cannot find one aspect that seems completely original or well done. The main girl fell in love with a guy who she met once or twice who randomly shows up on her balcony and attacked her. This is not likely, and does not provide a reason. Just that she did. The only possible reason is that he saved her from being raped and murdered by her serial killer rapist friend. The only problem with that is he subsequently attacked her. The story's template is common. Beauty and the Beast. Vampire and Girl. So far, there is no bigger plot than their relationship. As such, as things stand, the story is not special, it is not original. It is not high quality.

Yes, that's exactly what it means. Someone can say they believe something, or that something is true. That's fine, but if he doesn't provide reasoning or facts to back that, he did not prove it, only that he believes it. I'm not going to believe it. I'm not saying people have to do this in all situations. But if they want me or others to believe something as truth they do, they have to provide reasons and facts. I'm not going to blindly believe something I'm not given adequate reason or support to believe. It's not about demonstrating abstract concepts, it's about properly expressing and vocalizing your opinions, and backing them with reason and facts. If you don't do this fine. But failing to do so results in them failing to achieve their purpose. Finally, justifications, are not subjective if done properly. To justify something is to provide reasoning or prove correctness. If it is done properly it is accepted. Justifications that one does not agree with but must be accepted exist. An easy example would be the US election. The popular vote vs the electoral vote. If a someone wins the popular vote but not the electoral, even though they are the most voted for, they are not president due to the system set in place. That is a justification. Not your poor attempt at misrepresenting my arguments by lying and saying my only justification is my education.

You see, you confuse rant with explanation. Addressing every aspect of a persons statement and properly forming your own is scarcely short. A rant is also done by someone angry or passionate. I don't think you've been reading properly if you interpret my responses as rants. I've not been "shouting" as much as one can via text, excessively swearing, name calling, insulting or doing other such common things in rants as you or most of the people I've been responding to. Also, if you want 'proof' of my schooling or 'expertise', which is a word I used to mock a poor attempt at disregarding my statements similar to yours, I'd be happy to answer any questions or provide my location of schooling, and courses.

There is nothing more arrogant than telling a person to know their place, so instead I'll tell you to actually give me a reason to believe anything you said, and then I'll care.

What a pointless wall of text consisting of meaningless talks. There are so much things you're doing wrong that I don't know where to give my head to. I obviously won't bother mentioning everything you did wrong and explain why, but I'll at least give you some tips: Just stop saying people don't bother reading you. People have read you and mostly already noticed that your text is worthless since it's just attempt to make objective reasoning of 50% obvious things nobody cares and 50% just your opinion also nobody cares. I don't even want to start with why an anime can't be judged objectively, I'll just ignore it for today. Otherwise, a justification is still subjective since everyone give their own justification to their reasoning. So who cares if a reasoning comes with their justification if they are just as much subjective? The fact that you intended to prove all your reasoning previously and still, not everyone agreed with you is a proof that they don't bring much more credibility to your claims. The reason is that we're not here trying to find a culprit, but just discussing an ensemble of abstract things known as an anime. It's totally pointless to argue about "facts" when evaluating a show under criteria which doesn't contain any. They are matter of perspective, thus they can't be less subjective.

If you still want to do it, then go ahead and continue to give pointless justification to your opinion. Nobody is against that as long as you don't start crying when someone refuse to give their own justification. It's your right if you don't believe people, but at least understand that not everyone believe what you say either no matter how amazing your justifications are. No matter how amazing the justification that a certain coffee brand is better than the other. If I like the other brand more, I will still prefer that brand afterwards.

I don't know, you're like the combination of every type of characters I dislike in this world. I'm actually having a hard time believing you're real. You constantly make false assumptions about your interlocutors. You completely miss the point we make because a word is misused. You just try to be as much arrogant or annoying as possible. I don't even watch this anime. I just happened to read you here and it was an exhausting experience enough to push me to say something. I just wanted to say to you to know your place. And I'm saying this as an irl advice. I've seen many people like you who boosted their ego like that and the mistake they make is that they do not know who they are talking to and it happens that some of them are their boss, their superiors or just people with significantly better expertise than them. And this never end well in those situations. Knowledge should always come with wisdom. You won't see a doctor looking down to their patients because they neglect their health. When I said know your place, I referred to if you are actually really that smart, then stop looking down on people and start to act adequately. Because, here, you were losing all your credibility and that is the exact reason why people are having a hard time believing you and taking you seriously. You see, if you don't accompany your knowledge with enough wisdom, then your knowledge means absolutely nothing.

If you want to be useful here and spend time writing things people will eagerly read, I suggest you to explore the themes the anime have to offer. There are so much things to discuss about in anime other than show is shit or show is gud. There are so many interesting topics to talk about in anime and I believe they are times more worth spending upon rather than focusing on these matter of perspectives or justification of reasoning nobody truly care.

Or you still can be a douchebag and continue mocking people here if that's really what make you happy. But then, you'd just continue to lose all your credibility.

You didn't explain anything I did wrong, and you and others are proof contrary to the statement that what I say is read as a lot of your and other peoples statements ignore or miss things I've already addressed. Every statement you made you didn't provide any justification for, ironically. You literally and I quote "won't bother" or "ignore" providing any credence to every claim you made. You didn't explain how justification is subjective when I explained the contrary, you didn't explain how what I'm doing is wrong when I explained otherwise, you didn't mention how what I'm doing is wrong when I have explained why it isn't. All you've done is claim it's pointless or wrong without providing any reason to believe you.
It's also ridiculous to think everyone will agree with you regardless of how right one is, the fact that flat earth conspiracy theorists exists is the greatest evidence to that. Almost everything can be judged objectively, that's the reasons why series live or die, why products and brands grow or shrink. And if you think anything doesn't contain any facts, you're delusional. Of course this anime contains facts. How much it cost to make, how much time was spent on each scene, how skilled the workers are, how most people rate the quality of animation, audio, story, etc, etc.

It's no more pointless to yours, as I have actually given justifications, whereas you have not. All you and the others have I argued against have done is claim your opinion as truth or and completely subjective and insult me. Whether by saying I'm crying or ranting, things which aren't true and cannot be proven to be true by you, even though you wouldn't bother putting in the effort to doing so. Your analogy falls short. All that analogy proves if your preference for said brand, not that it is any better or worse.

You keep claiming I'm making false assumptions or false reasoning but neither you nor anyone else have given an example. You just make claim after claim with no proof. Ironically, your attempt at justifying your arrogant statement of know your place fails because you don't know who I am or what I know, so I could easily turn that statement around on you and say, perhaps I am your boss, your superior or a person with significantly better expertise. Lord knows I've actually given reasons for it to be believed as opposed to you. And how am I looking down on people? I'm explaining my position, backing it up and saying you aren't. And even if I was looking down on you, why shouldn't I, when all you do is insult me and fail to back your claims? You keep going on and on about credibility, wisdom, etc, etc but you have not once provided backing to any of your statements.

You'e reading pretty eagerly considering I'm eliciting such a long winded, albeit wrong response. Again, give me a reason to believe anything you said, and then I'll care. Because as things stand, not once in your response did I you give any reason or justification to believe or care about what you said.

No kid, the reason you don't believe me is not because I don't provide justification or reasons. You don't believe me because you got a serious ego problem and you try to hide your incompetence in understanding people's perspective in your meaningless talks. You have absolutely nothing to say and nothing you will say is either interesting or meaningful. I have nothing to learn from a kid who don't know who he is and pretend to know who I am. I have no time to waste on such hopeless scumbag who seriously need to fix his ego issue first.

Come talk to me if you have something interesting or intelligent to say. My advice has already been told to your innocent existence. I have nothing more to say to you. Now, go learn what it is to live in this world.

Oh look, another hallmark of arrogance from the person claiming me to be arrogant, calling me a child. You can't really tell me why I don't believe something if you don't provide a good reason. Which is the reason I don't believe anything you've said. All you do is insult, insult and insult some more and try to prod me into giving an emotional response because you know that is the only way I'll say something you can actually give reasoning or justification to me being wrong. Because as things stand you've failed to prove any of your stances to any significant amount, and have failed to disprove mine, or even really attempted.

I have plenty to say, and I have said plenty given how much I've written, whether or not it's meaningful or interesting is only for you to decide in your perspective unless, again, you provide a reason for me to believe otherwise. See, now that is a justification, saying you have nothing to learn from someone who is a child. Though it's fallacious as you can often learn more from children than anyone else, and ironically, it's you pretending to know who I am. I don't know who you are, have not acted as if I know or even really care. Though, I'm pretty confident as to my identity. Please, do keep insulting me and prove my point further.

It's ironic, the more you speak the more you prove my point. Every statement you make fails to provide backing, and continues to get more and more emotional and attacks me even further. I like how you've all but abandoned guise of humility and have turned into an all out angry bully.

YautjaMay 9, 2018 12:20 PM

May 9, 2018 12:31 PM

#60