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Feb 27, 2018 3:43 PM

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turn down for what

But that's just how wars work, you lose, then you get fucked up and you look bad.
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IN YOUR FACE.

That is all I wanna say.



Feb 27, 2018 4:16 PM

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Finally a touch down, I wonder what's in store for them. To all the haters that didn't believe Shirase will reach Antarctica I say IN YOUR FACE! too.
I wonder what is that message sent by Tamiko entail, oh man ep 2 is way far.
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Feb 27, 2018 4:19 PM
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Rosny said:
That being said, I just don't like it. And how they spun it to how "they're picking on us, but we're awesome and gonna show them wrong".

That being said, having a can-do attitude is awesome, especially once hatreds die down, working together again with one another E.g. JAXA and NASA.


Exactly, these Japanese explorers commit so much war crime in the past 100 years and now they feel like they are being bullied? What a joke. That sneak attack on Pearl Harbor without a declaration of war was uncalled for. Just because we supplied the Chinese with airplanes and weapons and embargo Japan doesn't mean we were by instigating anything, the US did not want anything to do with WW2. They were lucky the US occupation purposely left some of their war crime leaders stay in power just because we needed some puppets in Japanese politics. That way we could always come back and say the Japanese glorified war criminals when convenient. They deserved those two atomic bombs and some more because they got off easy with barely any scratch.

PS: The hatred for what the Japs did in the past 100 years will never die down. JAXA should feel lucky the West is even letting them build rockets that would lead them to making ICBMs in the future.

Any country that has committed war crimes have no right to feel bullied. Unless, you won, then you can write history. Anyone defending Japan are just weebs and have no sense of moral.
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Feb 27, 2018 4:45 PM

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Rosny said:
I wasn't going to comment anything because I didn't want to make a mountain out of a mole-hill. But I'm glad that other people mentioned this as well, it's good to know I'm not alone in that opinion. Maybe I should, as unpopular and out of place it is.

It's kinda funny, the vibe in the middle of this otherwise optimistic show to suddenly inject some history about how Japan was being bullied. I just find that really out of place and passive aggressive, but it was handled really well on their part. It is a fact that they were being discriminated against.

That being said, I just don't like it. And how they spun it to how "they're picking on us, but we're awesome and gonna show them wrong". Good message but like all good nationalistic viewpoints, they're gonna only focus on the aspects that don't make them look like an ass. Which is what they did here, anyone unstudied in history is gonna walk away thinking, "oh damn, poor guys, why are they being picked on." When your country was a collective douche, no-one likes you. But somehow, we, the bullied, are meant to act above and beyond saints and not act hostile against an aggressor who left millions dead and the unbearably obvious lie to 'free the asian countries'. Sounds awfully similar to the US freedom slogans and now look at those countries being helped. Well at least US soldiers are held accountable such as the photos emerging from POW camps and rape cases. Japan had a newspaper printout of which officer could decapitate the most civilians. Nice.

Totally unnecessary to write in, but since they decided to mention it, just why did they feel the need to pine about being bullied when they raped their way down near to India, committing all sorts of crimes against humanity. Committing live human experimentation, practicing chemical weapons such as bubonic plague on millions of people. Death marches, live bayonet practices, largescale rape, racial superiority impunity, because they're the enemy, absolute cruelty is okay.

The Japanese made the Nazis look like kindergardeners, their cruelty harks back to Genghis Khan. But again, understandable, considering their cultural viewpoint and history teaching, but not acceptable.

I'm not trying to pass the blame unto the current generation, but I'm not okay with them trying to act like they were just being picked on for losing the war e.g. Germans after WWI. It's not that simple.

That being said, having a can-do attitude is awesome, especially once hatreds die down, working together again with one another E.g. JAXA and NASA.

As someone familiar with history fictions, the general trend is to avoid the most negative aspects of the country producing the film/series. To put some examples, Napoleon or the emperors of the Holy Roman Empire are protrayed in a very different light depending on which country is behind the production. Some Italians in history forums are now going mad over the new HBO series, Britannia.

I also think that some official institutions are sponsoring the series, so the nationalistic impulse of the current goverment may have something to do with it.

It's not that I justify it, but it didn't totally surprise me. That being said, I think a matter so delicate as this should be left out of a series that is not directly tied to history. While it feels tied-in with the story in other productions like Chiisai Ouchi, it felt out of place here.
AbeldeMediciFeb 27, 2018 4:49 PM
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Feb 27, 2018 4:51 PM
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AbeldeMedici said:

As someone familiar with history fictions, the general trend is to avoid the most negative aspects of the country producing the film/series. To put some examples, Napoleon or the emperors of the Holy Roman Empire are protrayed in a very different light depending on which country is behind the production. Some Italians in history forums are now going mad over the new HBO series, Britannia.

I also think that some official institutions are sponsoring the series, so the nationalistic impulse of the current goverment may have something to do with it.

It's not that I justify it, but it didn't totally surprise me. That being said, I think a matter so delicate as this should be left out of a series that is not directly tied to history. While it feels tied-in with the story in other productions like Chiisai Ouchi, it felt out of place here.


Maybe Japan should just keep Anime to themselves and not export it because anyone not Japanese would just get offended.
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Pen3 said:
AbeldeMedici said:

As someone familiar with history fictions, the general trend is to avoid the most negative aspects of the country producing the film/series. To put some examples, Napoleon or the emperors of the Holy Roman Empire are protrayed in a very different light depending on which country is behind the production. Some Italians in history forums are now going mad over the new HBO series, Britannia.

I also think that some official institutions are sponsoring the series, so the nationalistic impulse of the current goverment may have something to do with it.

It's not that I justify it, but it didn't totally surprise me. That being said, I think a matter so delicate as this should be left out of a series that is not directly tied to history. While it feels tied-in with the story in other productions like Chiisai Ouchi, it felt out of place here.


Maybe Japan should just keep Anime to themselves and not export it because anyone not Japanese would just get offended.

I don't get if that is irony. If not, I don't think so, if we applied this to every country we would be very limited.

Of course I'm talking from the position of someone whose country wasn't involved in the war nor has ever experienced a war, so maybe it's easy for me to say that.
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Feb 27, 2018 4:59 PM

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People need to stop being over-sensitive about nationalistic messages and move on. If you don't do that, you will have trouble watching many series/movies/anime.

And every country has a dirty past with wars. It is in humanity DNA to solve issues by killing the other side. Just be smart enough to detect that things are turning south and run away. People in packs usually do dumb things.

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Rosny said:
I wasn't going to comment anything because I didn't want to make a mountain out of a mole-hill. But I'm glad that other people mentioned this as well, it's good to know I'm not alone in that opinion. Maybe I should, as unpopular and out of place it is.

It's kinda funny, the vibe in the middle of this otherwise optimistic show to suddenly inject some history about how Japan was being bullied. I just find that really out of place and passive aggressive, but it was handled really well on their part. It is a fact that they were being discriminated against.

That being said, I just don't like it. And how they spun it to how "they're picking on us, but we're awesome and gonna show them wrong". Good message but like all good nationalistic viewpoints, they're gonna only focus on the aspects that don't make them look like an ass. Which is what they did here, anyone unstudied in history is gonna walk away thinking, "oh damn, poor guys, why are they being picked on." When your country was a collective douche, no-one likes you. But somehow, we, the bullied, are meant to act above and beyond saints and not act hostile against an aggressor who left millions dead and the unbearably obvious lie to 'free the asian countries'. Sounds awfully similar to the US freedom slogans and now look at those countries being helped. Well at least US soldiers are held accountable such as the photos emerging from POW camps and rape cases. Japan had a newspaper printout of which officer could decapitate the most civilians. Nice.

Totally unnecessary to write in, but since they decided to mention it, just why did they feel the need to pine about being bullied when they raped their way down near to India, committing all sorts of crimes against humanity. Committing live human experimentation, practicing chemical weapons such as bubonic plague on millions of people. Death marches, live bayonet practices, largescale rape, racial superiority impunity, because they're the enemy, absolute cruelty is okay.

The Japanese made the Nazis look like kindergardeners, their cruelty harks back to Genghis Khan. But again, understandable, considering their cultural viewpoint and history teaching, but not acceptable.

I'm not trying to pass the blame unto the current generation, but I'm not okay with them trying to act like they were just being picked on for losing the war e.g. Germans after WWI. It's not that simple.

That being said, having a can-do attitude is awesome, especially once hatreds die down, working together again with one another E.g. JAXA and NASA.

I don't want to dismiss your post which I find in general very agreeable, but it REALLY comes down to the characters being:

1. Children
2. From a generation that is far distanced from that conflict, as seen by how they describe the war: "they won so we were bullied with the worst territory in the Antarctica :("

Bringing historical perspective to a casual commentary thrown by kids who do not know better doesn't sound right, and assuming that the naïve, reductionist and decontextualized reactions of these characters really has any serious meaning as a political message is, I think, underestimating the show pretty heavily and the reach it has defined for its characters. Sora yori is not a vouch for Japanese nationalism, it is an intimate story of blossoming friendship and adventure.
Feb 27, 2018 5:15 PM
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Pen3 said:
AbeldeMedici said:

As someone familiar with history fictions, the general trend is to avoid the most negative aspects of the country producing the film/series. To put some examples, Napoleon or the emperors of the Holy Roman Empire are protrayed in a very different light depending on which country is behind the production. Some Italians in history forums are now going mad over the new HBO series, Britannia.

I also think that some official institutions are sponsoring the series, so the nationalistic impulse of the current goverment may have something to do with it.

It's not that I justify it, but it didn't totally surprise me. That being said, I think a matter so delicate as this should be left out of a series that is not directly tied to history. While it feels tied-in with the story in other productions like Chiisai Ouchi, it felt out of place here.


Maybe Japan should just keep Anime to themselves and not export it because anyone not Japanese would just get offended.


American Indians
Nuclear bombs
Vietnam
Iraq, Afghanistan
Let's see who has caused more deaths, with useless wars, or useless acts such as dropping nuclear bombs at war already won only to anticipate the Russians, and not to make Japan go under the Russian control ..... Japan was imposed in constitution of not being able to have its own army, even we Italians and Germans have it, the Japanese have been humiliated by the Americans, this is history.
Feb 27, 2018 5:16 PM

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The final scene was moving. It was cool of Hinata to suggest that Shirase step off the gangway first, but it was nice that they all hopped off together. Shirase proving all her detractors wrong was a justified emotion.

The uncomfortable flashback/backstory scenes with Shirase and the captain showing how Shirase gradually came to admire the captain were compelling.

The mysterious message in the after credits scene....
Feb 27, 2018 5:17 PM

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Rosny said:
I wasn't going to comment anything because I didn't want to make a mountain out of a mole-hill. But I'm glad that other people mentioned this as well, it's good to know I'm not alone in that opinion. Maybe I should, as unpopular and out of place it is.

It's kinda funny, the vibe in the middle of this otherwise optimistic show to suddenly inject some history about how Japan was being bullied. I just find that really out of place and passive aggressive, but it was handled really well on their part. It is a fact that they were being discriminated against.

That being said, I just don't like it. And how they spun it to how "they're picking on us, but we're awesome and gonna show them wrong". Good message but like all good nationalistic viewpoints, they're gonna only focus on the aspects that don't make them look like an ass. Which is what they did here, anyone unstudied in history is gonna walk away thinking, "oh damn, poor guys, why are they being picked on." When your country was a collective douche, no-one likes you. But somehow, we, the bullied, are meant to act above and beyond saints and not act hostile against an aggressor who left millions dead and the unbearably obvious lie to 'free the asian countries'. Sounds awfully similar to the US freedom slogans and now look at those countries being helped. Well at least US soldiers are held accountable such as the photos emerging from POW camps and rape cases. Japan had a newspaper printout of which officer could decapitate the most civilians. Nice.

Totally unnecessary to write in, but since they decided to mention it, just why did they feel the need to pine about being bullied when they raped their way down near to India, committing all sorts of crimes against humanity. Committing live human experimentation, practicing chemical weapons such as bubonic plague on millions of people. Death marches, live bayonet practices, largescale rape, racial superiority impunity, because they're the enemy, absolute cruelty is okay.

The Japanese made the Nazis look like kindergardeners, their cruelty harks back to Genghis Khan. But again, understandable, considering their cultural viewpoint and history teaching, but not acceptable.

I'm not trying to pass the blame unto the current generation, but I'm not okay with them trying to act like they were just being picked on for losing the war e.g. Germans after WWI. It's not that simple.

That being said, having a can-do attitude is awesome, especially once hatreds die down, working together again with one another E.g. JAXA and NASA.

well, it's a typical things to do in fiction.
you cannot avoid the fact that writers or directors or whoever are working in this kind of industry put a little bit of themselves.

but in UchuuYori's case, I think it's okay for them to do that.
I mean: it's still in context to the story.
Sure yeah, they did a lot of bad things during WW2, as well, but there's no real relevancy of such issues to the whole Antartica expedition thing.

ps.: actually, the fact that they put gloss over a little historical fact doesn't mean that they support the atrocities Japan did in WW2.
(in Japan it's still an argument, of whether the current govt should put out an international apology or not. I don't think those bunch of ultra-nationalists in the govt atm will, but human right's a world movement, mate.)


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It is in humanity DNA to solve issues by killing the other side.

How to remove wars: remove human's DNA.


ps.: yeah it's a joke, in case you miss it.
Feb 27, 2018 5:17 PM

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I don't want to dismiss your post which I find in general very agreeable, but it REALLY comes down to the characters being:

1. Children
2. From a generation that is far distanced from that conflict, as seen by how they describe the war: "they won so we were bullied with the worst territory in the Antarctica :("

Bringing historical perspective to a casual commentary thrown by kids who do not know better doesn't sound right, and assuming that the naïve, reductionist and decontextualized reactions of these characters really has any serious meaning as a political message is, I think, underestimating the show pretty heavily and the reach it has defined for its characters. Sora yori is not a vouch for Japanese nationalism, it is an intimate story of blossoming friendship and adventure.


Fair enough. I see your point, I feel somewhat uncertain now about my comment as my intention was not to fan anti-japanese sentiment, I just believe that whenever something historical is mentioned it is very important to present all sides to prevent a skewed perspective. So far, people have been very civil.

It could be a lot worse. Again I mention, it has much to do with the culture, in some countries, they are more open about their country's dark past, they don't beat around the bush. The extreme end is a country that is completely guilt-ridden which isn't healthy either.
Cloud_IllusionFeb 27, 2018 5:21 PM
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AbeldeMedici said:

As someone familiar with history fictions, the general trend is to avoid the most negative aspects of the country producing the film/series. To put some examples, Napoleon or the emperors of the Holy Roman Empire are protrayed in a very different light depending on which country is behind the production. Some Italians in history forums are now going mad over the new HBO series, Britannia.

I also think that some official institutions are sponsoring the series, so the nationalistic impulse of the current goverment may have something to do with it.

It's not that I justify it, but it didn't totally surprise me. That being said, I think a matter so delicate as this should be left out of a series that is not directly tied to history. While it feels tied-in with the story in other productions like Chiisai Ouchi, it felt out of place here.


Yes, I agree completely.
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Rosny said:
jal90 said:

I don't want to dismiss your post which I find in general very agreeable, but it REALLY comes down to the characters being:

1. Children
2. From a generation that is far distanced from that conflict, as seen by how they describe the war: "they won so we were bullied with the worst territory in the Antarctica :("

Bringing historical perspective to a casual commentary thrown by kids who do not know better doesn't sound right, and assuming that the naïve, reductionist and decontextualized reactions of these characters really has any serious meaning as a political message is, I think, underestimating the show pretty heavily and the reach it has defined for its characters. Sora yori is not a vouch for Japanese nationalism, it is an intimate story of blossoming friendship and adventure.


Fair enough. I see your point, I feel somewhat uncertain now about my comment as my intention was not to fan anti-japanese sentiment, I just believe that whenever something historical is mentioned it is very important to present all sides to prevent a skewed perspective. So far, people have been very civil.

It could be a lot worse. Again I mention, it has much to do with the culture, in some countries, they are more open about their country's dark past, they don't beat around the bush. The extreme end is a country that is completely guilt-ridden which isn't healthy either.


95% of American films are patriotic, and Japanese anime can not be?
Feb 27, 2018 5:28 PM

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Well that was both a 'fun' episode and a powerful one - we really get at 'raw' emotions for the first time - and the more we move forward the more we see of the past. So what really happened ? What will happen? Also an e-mail cliff hang? Interesting

In your face ~
Feb 27, 2018 5:31 PM

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LMAO wasn't expecting this kind of topic to be brought up in the Artic Girls thread...

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Feb 27, 2018 5:35 PM
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ConfusionHaze said:
LMAO wasn't expecting this kind of topic to be brought up in the Artic Girls thread...

hinatabestgirl


Apparently some American nationalist wanted to give his hypocritical opinion.
Feb 27, 2018 6:02 PM
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thekillfra said:
95% of American films are patriotic, and Japanese anime can not be?


Nope, they lost the war.
Feb 27, 2018 6:20 PM
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The anime tries to pass a message of overcoming and the guys already confuse with nationalism, is it so difficult to understand what the anime wants to go show?
Feb 27, 2018 7:22 PM
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Lelouch0202 said:
Fantastic episode again.

I started laughin when that guy came up to Shirase and was like Suki desuu. XDD
Shirase's reaction that was absolute gold. xD

We even got a little blush from Gin during the interview, good good. XD

I loved the focus on Gin and Shirase this episode. Their little interactions years ago were really nice to watch and I like how despite Shirase saying she didn't talk to her all that much she still has quite a few memories of Gi and the things she's said to her. I kinda get what Takako meant by wanting to have Gin's spirit rub off on Shirase and I think it really did work out the way Takako wanted it to as Shirase grew up.

The ice breaking stuff was pretty cool to watch.
Were those Takako last words on the radio? :(

All the girls making the jump together was great but the real treat of this episode was of course
"IN YOUR FACE! IN YOUR FACE! IN YOUR FACE! Hell yeah, that was so satisfying and emotional to see. I teared up when the girls shouted it together and even more when the entire crew did it. XD
I really loved how the final scene showcases the girls overcoming all the people who admonished them and called them crazy. Pretty inspiring too.

Wonder what that mail at the end is. :o


my feelings exactly
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Nice episode again. ZAMAA MIROO!!! Lol

I agree with @AbeldeMedici that Toshio's romance wasn't really necessary on the last part. I don't mind it on the first minutes cause it gives us our comedy, but the placement on that insert song is a bit weird. They could've showed Gin crying alone.
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GOD Damn that insert song is beatiful, really nice developing of characters this episode, nice and also a bit of world history :v
and the end of the episode, finally <3

6/5
Feb 27, 2018 8:20 PM
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jejehartadi said:
Iirc one article mentioned when this anime was announced that one of the collaborative producer of this anime is Japan's Self Defense Force, Maritime department, etc so I don't think we should be surprised on 'Glorious Nippon' thing in this anime lol


Why are people making such a big deal? It's like America, Chinese and Indians saying the British treated them unfairly and they fought through it via independence, revolution or pure determination. You don't have to belittle them with "Glorious Nippon" or else you would also see July 4th celebration is "Glorious White Murica". Well nobody does because everyone still hates Japan. It seems American proxy wars and warmongering are fine because their didn't get their own hands dirty?
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"In your face" is an appropriate way of dealing with her loss She does not blame the Captain. She blames Antarctica
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Pen3 said:
jejehartadi said:
Iirc one article mentioned when this anime was announced that one of the collaborative producer of this anime is Japan's Self Defense Force, Maritime department, etc so I don't think we should be surprised on 'Glorious Nippon' thing in this anime lol


Why are people making such a big deal? It's like America, Chinese and Indians saying the British treated them unfairly and they fought through it via independence, revolution or pure determination. You don't have to belittle them with "Glorious Nippon" or else you would also see July 4th celebration is "Glorious White Murica". Well nobody does because everyone still hates Japan it seems.
I'm not making this a big thing, just saying to that 'one guy who said he doesn't like it' that we shouldn't be surprised that this anime praise their own country, especially looking at who this anime collaborate with. That's why I quoted him. I said 'glorious nippon' only for a comedic elements.

Yea I know there are lots of movies that 'praise' their country and I don't see anything wrong with that. I'm sorry if you take my words in wrong way.
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Look, this show is a goddamn masterpiece.
The theme of this show has a universal appeal that resonates deeply in most of us.
that theme is expanded upon and explored in every episode and the impact of that hits hard everytime. Don't let fear hold you back, Live life to the fullest, and don't ever give up.

Its characters are some of the most well realized and realistic in the medium.
The art is spectacular and its animation is solid and consistent.
the soundtrack is pure form fitting gold. that punches you in your gut everytime.

This show is such a complete and beautiful package, clearly made with love and attention. It is going to be one of my all time favorites for a long time after it ends, i know that for sure.
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jal90 said:
Rosny said:
I wasn't going to comment anything because I didn't want to make a mountain out of a mole-hill. But I'm glad that other people mentioned this as well, it's good to know I'm not alone in that opinion. Maybe I should, as unpopular and out of place it is.

It's kinda funny, the vibe in the middle of this otherwise optimistic show to suddenly inject some history about how Japan was being bullied. I just find that really out of place and passive aggressive, but it was handled really well on their part. It is a fact that they were being discriminated against.

That being said, I just don't like it. And how they spun it to how "they're picking on us, but we're awesome and gonna show them wrong". Good message but like all good nationalistic viewpoints, they're gonna only focus on the aspects that don't make them look like an ass. Which is what they did here, anyone unstudied in history is gonna walk away thinking, "oh damn, poor guys, why are they being picked on." When your country was a collective douche, no-one likes you. But somehow, we, the bullied, are meant to act above and beyond saints and not act hostile against an aggressor who left millions dead and the unbearably obvious lie to 'free the asian countries'. Sounds awfully similar to the US freedom slogans and now look at those countries being helped. Well at least US soldiers are held accountable such as the photos emerging from POW camps and rape cases. Japan had a newspaper printout of which officer could decapitate the most civilians. Nice.

Totally unnecessary to write in, but since they decided to mention it, just why did they feel the need to pine about being bullied when they raped their way down near to India, committing all sorts of crimes against humanity. Committing live human experimentation, practicing chemical weapons such as bubonic plague on millions of people. Death marches, live bayonet practices, largescale rape, racial superiority impunity, because they're the enemy, absolute cruelty is okay.

The Japanese made the Nazis look like kindergardeners, their cruelty harks back to Genghis Khan. But again, understandable, considering their cultural viewpoint and history teaching, but not acceptable.

I'm not trying to pass the blame unto the current generation, but I'm not okay with them trying to act like they were just being picked on for losing the war e.g. Germans after WWI. It's not that simple.

That being said, having a can-do attitude is awesome, especially once hatreds die down, working together again with one another E.g. JAXA and NASA.

I don't want to dismiss your post which I find in general very agreeable, but it REALLY comes down to the characters being:

1. Children
2. From a generation that is far distanced from that conflict, as seen by how they describe the war: "they won so we were bullied with the worst territory in the Antarctica :("

Bringing historical perspective to a casual commentary thrown by kids who do not know better doesn't sound right, and assuming that the naïve, reductionist and decontextualized reactions of these characters really has any serious meaning as a political message is, I think, underestimating the show pretty heavily and the reach it has defined for its characters. Sora yori is not a vouch for Japanese nationalism, it is an intimate story of blossoming friendship and adventure.


Woof posted about the anime then i read the second page of the thread lol.
luckily for me, I was going to post a response here too but you pretty much got my points here down pat.

I like that there isn't too much vitrol being spewed back and forth here.

that being said its definitly a mole hill to comment on, a side "throw away" convo between too young characters utterly detached from the time that history took place, and really in no way blanket implied the acceptance of all they did in the war.
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After all their effort, Shirase, Mari, Hinata, and Yuzu finally stepped foot on Antarctica. I felt proud of them during that scene. Their group and the team as a whole showed up everyone who thought they'd never make it. Quite a joyous achievement.




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My weekly medicine of this show. Really enjoy seeing even the side characters get a bit of focus, it makes them feel more relevant tbh.
And they finally made it.

Now to make memories. :) I wonder what's more difficult Mt.Everest or Antartica.

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I wonder what's more difficult Mt.Everest or Antartica.


I think Everest. I am used to places that feels like -40C (I have even been to places much worse) and often fought severe winter blizzards but I cannot imagine what it would be like even in -10C with very low air density. As someone who is accustomed to mountains in the North, I know the significant difference it makes as you gain altitude. The air becomes lighter and lighter and it becomes more and more difficult to breathe. And I have never even been to half of Everest's altitude.
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jejehartadi said:

Iirc one article mentioned when this anime was announced that one of the collaborative producer of this anime is Japan's Self Defense Force, Maritime department, etc so I don't think we should be surprised on 'Glorious Nippon' thing in this anime lol. Every country does this with thier movies actually.


Hell, America does this so much that among certain fandoms it's already known as the "America Fuck Yeah" genre, where only America and Americans are capable of saving the world, which while technically true as far as American political, military and economic might is concerned is still aggravating to see so many times in media.

A little bit of history thrown in doesn't really hurt anybody, especially if they're only espousing a general spirit and not advocating a particular ideology.
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Antartica, Here we go!!!

And my reaction about after credit scene be like :"Are u f-word kidding me?!"
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Goddamnit this anime can have you laughing one minute, then tearing up the next, what an emotional roller coaster. We only have 4 episodes left, but I'm not ready for it to be over!


That ending credit scene....WHAT THE FUCK?!

This show is too good.
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Why is everyone's focus on the war-aspect of the episode, and not on the fact that Gin was in love with Takako? Sadly, the ship sank before it could even sail.
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Ysad_Ziwezhan said:
So, Takako's alive then ?
She stayed at another international station or something ?
I still didn't give up hope.

Great episode again.

I don't think so... The writers would have to come up with a really good reason to justify why she didn't contact anyone in three years.
If done well, it could still go along with the series' message of never giving up. If done bad and done solely for the purpose of a happy ending, it could ruin the show for me.


I agree, if she alive, director-san has to be perfect explain it why as make sense as possible. This thing could be 'killing' or 'killed'
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FISH TIER!!!

"I like strong women because they can protect me." We have a betacuck in here too?

Apparently Shirase is Ai Enma after she was relieved of her revenge duties...


We got our backstory with Shirase and Gin...Gin sure had to do a lot of babysitting...

That's right. It's harsh, but you just gotta keep going. A tomato that grows in the harshest environments will bear the sweetest fruit. Go back and forth, back and forth, again and again. Penetrate, pull back, penetrate, pull back, penetrate, break that wall, and pierce through!

Looks like Takako made the choice to stay behind and stare at the sky...

Lol, I was expecting Hinata to push them off XD. I was hoping for thin ice too, but I knew they wouldn't do that.

IN YOUR FACE! Alright, now you guys better get out of there alive, or it'll be in YOUR face!

A message from Yuzuki's mom. Looks like it's almost time to broadcast their adventure back to Japan. DO IT LIVE!
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OMG! each episode keeps getting better!
This episode was a bit EMO because of the sensitive issues between Shirase and Toudou.
Zaizen Toshio is in love with tough woman Toudou! but Yumiko seems to be interested in him? hahah
The ice RAMMING ship was so awesome to see!
The girls finally stepped south pole for the first time! that was a very accomplishing milestone for every person!
5/5.

EDIT: what's-up with the comments not relating to this episode? ahaha past is past yo'
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Any country that has committed war crimes have no right to feel bullied. Unless, you won, then you can write history. Anyone defending Japan are just weebs and have no sense of moral.


Yeah, because of Japan's military and goverment war crimes during WWII, civilian scientists from 5th or 6th generation of post-WWII Japan STILL have to conduct their research on the most hard-to-reach part of Antarctica. I agree, "children" should be punished for the sins of their "parents" in the most direct way possible. Totally morally justified. /s

Sweet baby Jesus. That's some great [url=http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/548/129/538.jpg]'WTF am I reading'[/img] material right here.


jejehartadi said:
Iirc one article mentioned when this anime was announced that one of the collaborative producer of this anime is Japan's Self Defense Force, Maritime department, etc so I don't think we should be surprised on 'Glorious Nippon' thing in this anime lol. Every country does this with thier movies actually.

Are you talking about this?
If so, they are not producers, but technical\scientific advisors the show needs for pretty obvious reasons. Planetes and Uchuu Kyoudai have JAXA at that role, so what? Assuming that the phrase about "bullying" was injected because of goverment's influence in a bit of a tinfoil hat theory at the very least.

P.S. Inb4 someone will say that I'm "in denial", call me "weeb" or something like that.
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I have only a brief understanding of Japanese activities during WW2, the surface level stuff.

But I have traveled to different countries who were involved in wars and one thing you notice when you talk to people about the wars is that they talk the same way about it as was showcased here. They will not launch into geopolitical tirade (at least not before having 3 drinks) they will talk more simplistically and from their point of view. I was in Serbia and had conversations there regarding the 90s wars and Kosovo. Those conversations were very interesting and different from the mainstream western point of view found in discussions on the internet.

So yea, that little talk felt very real and I enjoyed it. Have no problem with it. Also good point were made in other posts regarding this issue.
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Alexandep said:
jejehartadi said:
Iirc one article mentioned when this anime was announced that one of the collaborative producer of this anime is Japan's Self Defense Force, Maritime department, etc so I don't think we should be surprised on 'Glorious Nippon' thing in this anime lol. Every country does this with thier movies actually.

Are you talking about this?
If so, they are not producers, but technical\scientific advisors the show needs for pretty obvious reasons. Planetes and Uchuu Kyoudai have JAXA at that role, so what? Assuming that the phrase about "bullying" was injected because of goverment's influence in a bit of a tinfoil hat theory at the very least.
Thx for correction about 'advisor' thing bro, appreciate it. But dang, 2 people already take my post in a too serious way. I wrote that as a mean of a joke but I guess I'd better edit that previous post lol. Some forums often joke like YuYuYu has government or military propaganda (Tougou), or ecchi anime X is government's agenda to raise birthrate etc, and I wrote my previous post in that way of thinking but I guess people take it too seriously. Yup, better edit my post.
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IN YOUR FACE!!@!

Another roller-coaster of emotions, it seems like they have put the final nail in the coffin for Shirase's mother - I teared up. twice ;-(. It was nice to see them develop the relationship between Gin and Shirase, the two are splitting images of each other.

Idk how Jap viewers would feel about the world war history but the ice-breaker scene was really exciting; the history really played well into the context of the episode + rounded off the otherwise sad atmosphere.
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It's beautiful, it's so beautiful, and insert song plays, those words didn't just reach my ears, it reached my heart as well, I teared up so hard for some reason, not so sure why.
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Her mother is alive that filled my heart with happiness beyond words
I cried so many times when she's missing her mother how she died and how she's alone, but now YES thank god she's somewhere there alive and well and I can't wait to see them reunited.
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What a beautiful show I tell ya! I only wish we got like 2 four or something but man still a very heartwarming show.
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Also, we kinda pull the phrase out of the context a little bit.

"You mean, they bullied you?"
"I'm not sure if I'd go that far, but maybe that is what it amounted to. An"If you really want to go there, go ahead and try" kind of thing."

'Bully' here doesn't nessesarily means abuse and domination through intimidation and power, but more like...well, 'trolling', lol.
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Why is everyone's focus on the war-aspect of the episode, and not on the fact that Gin was in love with Takako? Sadly, the ship sank before it could even sail.

Good that you said that, because I just saw the episode again and suddenly asked myself a question: Where is Shirase's father? The only relative of hers we ever see is her grandmother. Could it be that Gin and Takako were a couple? That would explain why Takako left them alone so often and her words about wanting that Gin left some impression on Shirase. Of course she could just be a single mom, but this theory may be possible as well.

This time I realized no issue with the WW2 reference. I suppose the first time just caught me by surprise given the light-hearted nature of the story.

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Her mother is alive that filled my heart with happiness beyond words
I cried so many times when she's missing her mother how she died and how she's alone, but now YES thank god she's somewhere there alive and well and I can't wait to see them reunited.

What? You mean the scene where she talks about the sky being beautiful? That was a flashback.
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the amount of people confused about shiraishi and shirase is too damn high
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Her mother is alive that filled my heart with happiness beyond words

Are you talking about Shirase's mother? She is not alive or at least we have no proof of the opposite.

The mail was from Yuzuki's mother - one of the sponsors. Eventually she is pulling the plug and the expedition must stop even before stepping on the continent.
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Her mother is alive that filled my heart with happiness beyond words

Are you talking about Shirase's mother? She is not alive or at least we have no proof of the opposite.

The mail was from Yuzuki's mother - one of the sponsors. Eventually she is pulling the plug and the expedition must stop even before stepping on the continent.

Well, Shirase still has that million yen, right? She can slap it IN THEIR FACE.
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