| So I just finished watching the 3 berserk movies. Now maltards will always say griffith from berserk whenever a thread says villain but I just watched the 3 movies and griffith is not a villain at all. calling him a villain is like calling killua zoldyck or erza and gray villains. also will there be more 4c studio movies>? or that crappy low rated hated by mal series is what we're stuck with? |
| Why? Eh, no real reason at all other than |
| he literally led a bunch of killers head on to their deaths in wars for money. not much of a difference. and casca always threw herself at him..... and she's not really guts's "girlfriend"..... |
| He is a so therefore he is a villain |
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KuroudoAkabane said: he literally led a bunch of killers head on to their deaths in wars for money. not much of a difference. and casca always threw herself at him..... and she's not really guts's "girlfriend"..... Are you serious? I really can't tell |
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 berserk was doing too much fuck that anime wasn't expecting it to go in that direction tbh griffith becoming a cripple then a demon bird rapist |
| he is a villain of circumstance instead of him actually being evil imo. What he did was horrible, but I can definitely understand why he did it. I think people ignore Griffith's humanity and demonize him without understanding why he did what he did. |
| His fav anime is Mirai Nikki. Ofc he would be a villain. Fucking piece of shit. |
| People who don't think Griffith is a villain do not understand the story. Let's begin with just the eclipse, up to that point you could argue that Griffith was just seeking to seize control so he could better protect the world, however his search for power leads him to sacrificing everyone who believed in him. Now I can already hear you using his justification of "oh but they all didn't care! They just wanted to see his ambition come to fruition!" But then what is his ambition? You really think it's to bring peace to the world? Wrong, dead wrong. What Griffith ultimately ends up doing is unleashing monsters upon the world that will eventually kill everyone except for the people in his new city, the realization of his dream to become a ruler of a realm of his own. So you have a guy who herds people into a tiny section of the world pretending to be a savior when he's the reason everything is going to hell in the first place, he sacrificed his friends at the eclipse who believed he was going to make the world better, not worse. Rickert is an example of someone who did not experience the horrors of the eclipse and used to worship Griffith yet now despises him after learning the truth. The rest of the world would too if they weren't fooled by Griffith into thinking he was doing them a favor, unleashing monsters on their homes and then sending his knights in to "rescue" them. And what other tasks does he send his knights on? Squashing out anything that could possibly be a threat, even if they so far have never opposed him, like Flora. Griffith would make a good friends with Kim Il-sung, though their methods be different. |
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PoeticJustice said: he is a villain of circumstance instead of him actually being evil imo. What he did was horrible, but I can definitely understand why he did it. I think people ignore Griffith's humanity and demonize him without understanding why he did what he did. This. I find him a lot more interesting than most anime villains because he isn't the type who kills a dog to show the viewer how evil he is. Because he really isn't some kind of supernatural evil, he's very human, with his petty ambitions and dream. I'm sure there's way more Griffiths than Lieberts in this world <: |
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| oh my, I mean he kinda is a villain, tho I think calling hi an antagonist is enough. Also, Griffith did nothing wrong :D  |
| Because she is not the protagonist of the story. |
| > why is Griffith a villain? Basically, he loses all his good qualities as the series progresses. * In the backstory, he is helping out Casca, and by the end he is randomly raping her. * he used to be a talented leader capable of making good plans. By the end, he is raping a princess just because his friend left him (when he was very likely to marry her properly if he did not do stupid stuff like that), and his first plan after getting out of prison is "betray his only friends left and become a demon lord". And it's not like he had many good qualities from the start, being just another ambitious bastard. |
| I am really not sure if everybody here agrees on the definition of a villain. From Dictionary.com: noun 1.a cruelly malicious person who is involved in or devoted to wickedness or crime; scoundrel. 2. a character in a play, novel, or the like, who constitutes an important evil agency in the plot. 3. villein. #2 seems to suggest Griffith. He ultimately is the cause of the gradual destruction of the world for the sake of his own personal kingdom. That, by-and-large, "constitutes an important evil agency in the plot." From Wikipedia under the heading "Sympathetic Villain": In an attempt to add realism to their stories, many writers will try to create "sympathetic" villains, the antithesis to an antihero called a antivillain. These villains come in just as many shapes and sizes as antiheroes do. Some may wish to make the world a better place but go to antagonistic lengths to do so (such as Doctor Octopus in Spider-Man 2, who commits various crimes in an attempt to complete his goal of creating a cheap, renewable source of energy, and Dr. Horrible in Dr. Horrible's Sing-Along Blog, who wants to rule the world so that he can solve all of its problems), or may employ a code of honor in fighting his enemies, even if it is to achieve antagonistic goals (examples include Murdock, a secondary villain in the game Fire Emblem: Fūin no Tsurugi, who is honorable, but fights the player's army due to loyalty to his country). Other sympathetic villains may be pushed to antagonistic lifestyles by society's mistreatment of him due to prejudice against something he is a part of (such as racism, as is the case in American History X), but goes to absurd lengths to achieve the equality he desires. Others may include those manipulated by malevolent and opprobrious forces (such as Jack Torrance being manipulated by the Overlook Hotel in The Shining). I'd say that it is pretty clear that Griffith counts as a sympathetic villain. It doesn't matter what his motivations were, what he did to his comrades and followers, Guts, and Casca solidly places him into the "villain" category. Just because you can understand him and comprehend why Griffith took the actions he did does not make him "not a villain." |
| Erza and Grey didn't murder and rape people |
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| Because the rules of causality turned him into a villain. Something like that. I've read almost 260 chapters and I get a little confused too sometimes. |
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KuroudoAkabane said: he literally led a bunch of killers head on to their deaths in wars for money. not much of a difference. and casca always threw herself at him..... and she's not really guts's "girlfriend"..... You are saying there's not much difference between leading and murdering? They relied on Grffith as their leader, but he choosed to be their murdurer instead... She used to love him. Does that give him the right to rape her? What's wrong with you...? |
zodd0 said: was griffith their leader at THAT time?KuroudoAkabane said: he literally led a bunch of killers head on to their deaths in wars for money. not much of a difference. and casca always threw herself at him..... and she's not really guts's "girlfriend"..... You are saying there's not much difference between leading and murdering? They relied on Grffith as their leader, but he choosed to be their murdurer instead... She used to love him. Does that give him the right to rape her? What's wrong with you...? he was a broken husk, who tried to scream for the band to stay away, but since his wasnt able to speak, his voice never reached them. and not a single one of them was some innocent child or something, they all had blood on their hands. it was less rape and maor ntr for guts but still. yeah that parts fine. |
KuroudoAkabane said: was griffith their leader at THAT time? he was a broken husk, who tried to scream for the band to stay away, but since his wasnt able to speak, his voice never reached them. and not a single one of them was some innocent child or something, they all had blood on their hands. it was less rape and maor ntr for guts but still. yeah that parts fine. You are trying to justify mass murder and rape... I will say no more. |
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