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Oct 29, 2016 11:16 AM

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Sad to see people call this cheap when they have no idea how well crafted it is. You dont like it thats fine but to call it cheap is to make yourself look ignorant.
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moodie said:
Sad to see people call this cheap when they have no idea how well crafted it is. You dont like it thats fine but to call it cheap is to make yourself look ignorant.

I don't mean cheap in a literal way, for all we know it could be just as expensive as traditional backgrounds, I mean that compared to others it looks cheap. But since you're such an insider, tell me, what went into the creation of the BGs? What makes it so "well crafted?"

I respect you moodie but you're acting like a blindly devoted fanboy. We are just stating our opinions, there's no need to act like a little bitch about it.
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Oct 29, 2016 12:55 PM

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This was a great episode. The animation and music is so beautiful. My favorite character is Kunagisa. The computer she has is big :O
Oct 29, 2016 1:54 PM

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GoldNautilus said:
moodie said:
Sad to see people call this cheap when they have no idea how well crafted it is. You dont like it thats fine but to call it cheap is to make yourself look ignorant.

I don't mean cheap in a literal way, for all we know it could be just as expensive as traditional backgrounds, I mean that compared to others it looks cheap. But since you're such an insider, tell me, what went into the creation of the BGs? What makes it so "well crafted?"

I respect you moodie but you're acting like a blindly devoted fanboy. We are just stating our opinions, there's no need to act like a little bitch about it.
lol i just wanted to get the misconception out the way.

My posts seem aggresive but im really not. To each his own brother
Oct 29, 2016 2:33 PM
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IKKUN DOING YOGA WHEN?
Oct 29, 2016 4:33 PM

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When the camera panned the cherry blossom the textures did look low-res and the character models sometimes look so shiny and rigid that they appear almost as if they were made of clay tbh.

But that's nitpicking I liked every minute of this OVA, there were literally no scenes that I didn't like.
Oct 29, 2016 5:17 PM

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IKKUN DOING YOGA WHEN?

I liked that part cause it appears in the novel.
Those tiny details are a 10/10
Oct 29, 2016 6:44 PM

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saw a Lot of monogatari here, no wonder because Shaft is actually behind it lol, hehe seems interesting so far :)
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Oct 30, 2016 1:19 AM

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There was not a lot to follow, but it does its job as the introduction of a mystery (probably one more OAV before the shocking discovery of a corpse?).
Geniuses sure are young and have a terrible back or neck problem, most of the girly women and girls should consult. Those body movements/poses were so weird that I couldn't just ignore them after a while.

Even if I forget my dislike of this "modern" style, the chara-design made everyone look like they were very young (so much that their status is made improbable). There were too much teenies and far too much girls. Actually, if none of the guests had invited a male assistant, the manor would be the woman's high IQ "harem".
The integration of the characters in the full 3DCGI environments was ugly, it was worse than in Kizu..I who had (very) rare scenes where CGI and drawings blended together. What's the point of making pretty drawings if it is to deliver them in horrible pictures?
Kajiura's music is recognizable but seems as bland as it became around/after T(R)C. Maybe a later track will stand out and pass the test of time


3/5 @shanimebib A lot of elements presented shout "10 little niggers"&co. so I presume we are presented every character until one of the girls die (maybe one of the two who can't stand each other) in this closed environment.


edit @rsc-pl : thank you for helping me in achieving posterity, but I'm not the one to quote when it comes to 3DCGI. ^^" (example: I usually liked what Gonzo did with it in the 2000s when everyone was seeing there the demon at work)
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Oct 30, 2016 2:45 AM
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moodie said:
There is a difference about being critical and not understanding styles. The CG isnt worse. You just dont like it. Its some of the better CG shaft has done.

It's just not good though. I don't understand how you can call it good, I understand styles and think you trying to argue I don't is laughable - please stop fanboying and listen to me. On a technical level, neither the CG or the animation was very good - the cg stood out which pulls you out of a series because you notice too much disconnection between the background and foreground.

I'd also remind you that animation studios often use CG because it's cheaper - that's just a fact. Cheaper to make and reuse models than get more New background art.

moodie said:


Ya you watched Gatari, Denpa, and SzS. Im not saying this to brag but ive watched everything shaft pre Shinbo as well.


I wasn't saying I've seen all their stuff, they've made a lot I don't think is worth watching, like most anime studios. I was pointing out I've seen enough to judge this series more accurately than you give me credit for.


moodie said:

Yase Yuki's style can be seen by looking at his storyboard. And its good stuff. If MCA is the only thing your going to call back on you should notice he only SBed 2 episodes. The faults of MCA was the scripts fault and nothing else.

I'm not reading his storyboards, I'm watching his anime. I didn't think the direction of MCA was very impressive even considering the bad script.


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If you look at the credits list its for a fact, something objective, that they are hiring better key animators. So again you say you are critical but you make many mistakes. And there is no Shinbo style considering that Shinbo has directed a grand total of 0 works at shaft.

I don't understand what you're saying here. Who their hiring is irrelevant if the work they do isn't great - and the animation in this was not great.

This is something I actually don't understand - how has Shinbo directed 0 works when he's listed as a director on a lot of their series? I don't know enough about the industry to comment but that seems wrong otherwise?

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And why did I mention it being better than gatari? Because I know the story and from episode 1 its clear that its better directed.

Well okay, let's see how the numbers fall, I think it's a lot worse and I'm pretty sure BD sales will back me up here. Their not the be all and end all ofc, and plenty of good shows sell less than worse shows, but I'm willing to say that here it would be a good comparison.

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So you saying you don't know why people are calling it good, you should understand more about what goes on in the studio, then maybe you can understand why the majority is enjoying it.


I mean, I clearly understand more about art than you - also I'm clearly less of a fanboy than you so out of our two opinions I wonder which is the more critical? I'll happily admit to not knowing the exact ins and outs of a foreign industry which I'm not involved in, but I'm not completely ignorant of it either.
Oct 30, 2016 9:09 AM

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Not sure what to think right now. I thought it was decent and enjoyable, but nothing impressive. It's the first OVA anyway, so I'll just see where this goes.


Oct 30, 2016 11:14 AM
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I really have no idea where this is going with that guy Boku, then again, it ain't that bad.
Oct 30, 2016 1:50 PM

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What does 'seven fool' means?

Also, is this just another anime where audience have to guess the scheme behind everyone through their dialogues??
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What does 'seven fool' means?

Also, is this just another anime where audience have to guess the scheme behind everyone through their dialogues??

Seven Fools refers to 7 of the top geniuses in the ER3 system that Ii-chan spoke about. One of those seven fools was Akane and as we saw here she's also the one that invited everyone to the island.

No not really. Everything will be made clearer as it goes on. (Or at least it should if they manage the rest of the eps properly.)
Though this will still be airing half a year from now so I don't how much sense it'll make at the end if you watch it with these many breaks in between...
Oct 31, 2016 8:20 AM

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Damn, Damn, Damn. I was not aware that any studio was working on it, how could I miss this.
Please God, punish me for this unforgivable ignorance.

I have been waiting for this for sooo long, now finally the first episode is out and I am already dying from excitement.
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Oct 31, 2016 9:24 AM
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Eh Yuki Kaji's grating voice, I wonder what will happen when he delivers those long monologues lol.

Liked the direction, they skipped some dialogues(akane especially) which is fine for now but will be difficult if and when Kubishime gets adapted. Tomo's voice was just like I had imagined, that first scene with aikawa at least redeemed her unimpressive character design for me.

Doomdoctor said:
Watching this as an ova is going to be pretty difficult for someone without an ounce of knowledge about the novels like me.


I advise you to watch all the 8 episodes together next year. There are some minor details which are important and you will tend to forget with so many breaks in b/w.
Oct 31, 2016 12:51 PM

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Excellent episode.
Original dialogues as in Monogatari.
Very good job in terms of staging and atmosphere.
It's also a good idea to introduce a narrator (who is also the MC), it gives the impression that Zaregoto is originally novel.
Music: Yuki Kajiura, so great also. I like the ED sung by Kalafina. (I would like to hear the full version)

9/10
Oct 31, 2016 6:05 PM

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im sold on the yuki ost alone

im no fan of monogatari series but i really liked this one

also why are the geniuses only women... TRIGGERED
Oct 31, 2016 6:40 PM

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Aaaaaand, Shaft did it again. Awesome visuals with awesome OST and with Nisio Isin's novel. I'll read the novels someday.
Nov 1, 2016 3:16 AM
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Amusing episode, I like the animation and music, I might read the LN someday.
Nov 1, 2016 7:00 AM

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Zaregoto v1 sells 13353/2910, total 16,263.

Didn't some kid say that it wouldn't sell well. Well it sold extremely well for 5 days.
Nov 1, 2016 5:07 PM

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This is better than monogatari, i like it.
Some monologue were skipped but that is what SHAFT adaption is. (Alot of monogatari series were skipped and it worked fine)

Hope SHAFT can continue to capture the atmosphere to the end.

People should stop crying over "Aikawa unfaithful design" it's pretty much the same as in novel
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Nov 2, 2016 5:34 AM

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I know people who didn't read the novel might not actually like the first episode, I almost dropped the novel after reading the first few pages, but it turned out to be actually good later.
I already know that the upcoming epissodes are gonna be a blast, shaft is doing a pretty good job.
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Hopefully the really good sales and the near perfect ratings/customer reviews on various sites will give the production company a green light to adapt the rest of the series, maybe even as a tv series.
Is a bi-weekly series possible?
Nov 2, 2016 11:23 AM

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Can't say much after just one episode, but it was definetily interesting. The beginning was a bit slow and obviously it gave the monogatari vibe. Let's see how it goes and as i understand it should be 1 episode per month.
Nov 3, 2016 1:24 AM

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This was definitely an interesting start to this series. I got a lot of Monogatari vibes from watching this haha.

Shaft has done it again. This show just oozes the Shaft style, I mean all those head tilts though haha. I already love the music in this show because the composer is Yuki Kajiura. I am such a huge fan of her work and it was really nice to hear her music in the background. I really like the ED theme by Kalafina as well.

Just like the Monogatari Series, this show is mostly about dialogue so I'm rather interested in watching more. Looking forward to the next episode! :)
Nov 4, 2016 11:40 PM

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Quite the colorful cast of characters. I enjoyed the conversations. Feels like the MC isn't letting on his true genius.
Nov 5, 2016 1:24 PM

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Interesting introduction but that's all it is right now, can't make anything of it without more episodes.

There are some intriguing characters though and although the storytelling is more raw when compared to Monogatari, I found it enjoyable to follow it.

They also have nice selection of seiyuu, Yuuki Aoi and Kawasumi Ayako being the most standing out (obviously).
Nov 6, 2016 8:28 AM
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moodie said:
Zaregoto v1 sells 13353/2910, total 16,263.

Didn't some kid say that it wouldn't sell well. Well it sold extremely well for 5 days.


Call me when it overtakes Monogatari yo, then we'll talk 'kid'.
Nov 6, 2016 8:59 AM

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Kreion said:
moodie said:
Zaregoto v1 sells 13353/2910, total 16,263.

Didn't some kid say that it wouldn't sell well. Well it sold extremely well for 5 days.


Call me when it overtakes Monogatari yo, then we'll talk 'kid'.
lmfao no anime will overtake monogatari. please stop quoting me with nonsense u clearly lack knowledge on the industry.
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Kreion said:


Call me when it overtakes Monogatari yo, then we'll talk 'kid'.
lmfao no anime will overtake monogatari. please stop quoting me with nonsense u clearly lack knowledge on the industry.


Well that's what I said - that it will sell less than monogatari since it's basically appealing to the same fanbase.

I meant that since you think Zaregoto is better, if it manages to sell more than Bakemonogatari exclusively I will take your word for it - but right now I see the first set of 8 selling as much as Bake. I'll happily admit that it surprised me as to how many it sold, I didn't expect nearly as much as this and would love for someone to actually explain why people think this series is good - you haven't done that though. You have been a blind fanboy who refuses to accept that the show even has flaws - when every show has flaws.

You're a joke, there's no discussion to be had here.
Nov 10, 2016 5:35 AM

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well the first episode was so confusing.... But I want to give it a try
Nov 12, 2016 2:56 AM

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This looks good. Waiting until Spring 2017 might be good for all it seems like.
Nov 15, 2016 1:00 PM

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Legit subs came out today, so now I can say something about it. It was... I dunno... Mystery? Philosophical? Refreshing? Well, I like it.
AFAIK, there are 9 volumes and there will be 8 episodes. They probably just want to test the waters. I wonder how far it will go. Volume 2 or something?
Nov 15, 2016 1:28 PM

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I liked it. Visually it was appealing, the characters are neat I guess, need to see more to really understand what's happening since this is only chapter 1 apparently.

It was nowhere near as strong as Katanagatari's first episode(still salty they didn't use that art style instead, ngl), and it was probably a little worse then Bakemonogatari episode 1. Then again, I didn't think Bakemonogatari was anything special until episode 3.
Kreion said:
moodie said:
Zaregoto v1 sells 13353/2910, total 16,263.

Didn't some kid say that it wouldn't sell well. Well it sold extremely well for 5 days.


Call me when it overtakes Monogatari yo, then we'll talk 'kid'.

Bakemonogatari is one of the best selling anime ever made dude, that's a pretty high bar to set before you are willing to talk.
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I liked it. Visually it was appealing, the characters are neat I guess, need to see more to really understand what's happening since this is only chapter 1 apparently.

It was nowhere near as strong as Katanagatari's first episode(still salty they didn't use that art style instead, ngl), and it was probably a little worse then Bakemonogatari episode 1. Then again, I didn't think Bakemonogatari was anything special until episode 3.
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I guess it was just stylistically not what I think is worth watching...as I said I felt that I couldn't get to like the style, had a lot of janky CG ( I mean the texture on the grass with the artist girl outside was just trash) and I never felt like the tone was consistent between style and content. It's interesting though, since I have a friend who also loves Monogatari and she was basically of the same opinion as me in terms of the style of the anime. I guess style is so subjective though...it's hard to have an actual discussion on it.

On Bake, I tend to agree. Whilst I really liked the first two episodes on rewatching, when I watched it the first time I stopped after episode 3 or so.

So I would compare this episode too the first two episodes of Bake which I think are much better because they give you an idea and finish the arc. I know that this seems to be a straight adaption on the book so slow seems to be the order of the day, which is why I am willing to wait until the end of the 8 OVA's before deciding if I want to continue it or not.

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Call me when it overtakes Monogatari yo, then we'll talk 'kid'.

Bakemonogatari is one of the best selling anime ever made dude, that's a pretty high bar to set before you are willing to talk.


I am only using Bakemonogatari as a metric because the other poster was arguing this looked better and was better than Bakemonogatari - to which I responded that it's a similar kind of series but I don't see it selling that well because the sales of Bake were insane.
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Sales =/= quality
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This looks very very intresting, can't wait to see the rest :D
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The art made my eyes bleed, probably the ugliest Shaft's work ever. No wonder why, Sangatsu looks awesome, and they just couldn't afford doing 2nd series, so it doesn't looks even average. Except the visual side, rest is pretty interesting (but nothing phenomenal though).

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The integration of the characters in the full 3DCGI environments was ugly, it was worse than in Kizu..I who had (very) rare scenes where CGI and drawings blended together. What's the point of making pretty drawings if it is to deliver them in horrible pictures

Exactly.
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moodie said:
There is a difference about being critical and not understanding styles. The CG isnt worse. You just dont like it. Its some of the better CG shaft has done.

It's just not good though. I don't understand how you can call it good, I understand styles and think you trying to argue I don't is laughable - please stop fanboying and listen to me. On a technical level, neither the CG or the animation was very good - the cg stood out which pulls you out of a series because you notice too much disconnection between the background and foreground.

I'd also remind you that animation studios often use CG because it's cheaper - that's just a fact. Cheaper to make and reuse models than get more New background art.


And I second this. I really like Shaft, but I don't like what they are doing lately, especially with their 'flagship' productions.
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Not much to talk about tbh, haven't read the novel so i also don't know what to expect, the entire episode was spend to introduce the characters wich is fine but we haven't seen all the characters yet so i'm guessing they will spend two episodes on it i hope that's going to be ok, considering there are only 8 episodes.
Dec 22, 2016 11:17 PM

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Very slow-paced, but somehow fascinating episode. I loved the ED!

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With episode 2, things are getting interesting.

I must say, that when it was announced that Zaregoto is getting anime adaptation, I was dubious. Zaregoto is really a story for reading. Didn't see much opportunity for animation.

As it turns out, Shaft delivers at some places with incredibly detailed animation (especially some parts of the mansion and some characters) but on other places they overuse CG a lot. I mean, they just really like spinning around! It was interesting to see it first time, but really pulls you out of the dialogues as you notice it being reused more and more. In the end, even if you disabled the video, you wouldn't miss much beyond display of character emotions. It's just some pretty imagery going on while the characters talk, but hardly the focus.

I really like how they handled Maki's character though. She exactly delivered what I expected from her novel version. She is this sneering, spiteful, lazy, bored-to-death character which beats you down to ground with her words. Gives Senjougahara vibes. Calling Ii "Japanese representative for not mattering" huh? She sure didn't disappoint.

On the other hand I'm so far somewhat let down by Ii's character. He definitely doesn't give that "dark" feeling from novels. Maybe it is the cut on his many inner monologues in the anime. Let's see how they develop him.

Tomo is Tomo. I'm happy.

If you are interested in reading the novels, then check out this official translation by Vertical, which is coming out in January. First two volumes of Zaregoto were already translated to English back in 2008 and 2010 by Del Rey. Unfortunately, they stopped after the second volume and the first volume (which this OVA adapts) is sold out and long time unavailable. Fortunately, Vertical recently acquired the license and their take on first volume is soon going to be available. This time the translation could also be much better than the Del Rey one, as Andrew Cunningham himself noted that the condition under which the Del Rey translation was done weren't optimal. Here is hopping that if this first volume by Vertical does well, we might finally see the whole Zaregoto series officially translated to English.
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Jan 4, 2017 11:43 PM

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Interesting episode, just found out about the series yesterday, can't believe I never even heard about it.
Not many interesting shows in 2016 so this is definitely a watch for me
Feb 5, 2017 5:32 PM

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didnt know that shaft made it, 10 secs in:
"Shaft?" -me

Feb 20, 2017 12:13 PM

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I was REALLY excited to start this series. It's the first time I've read a light novel before watching the anime. And I was really satisfied with this first episode. It didn't do much but establish the setting and all the characters. But seeing Sonoyama, Ibuki, Maki and Tomo come to life on the silver screen was really cool. They've characterized a lot of these characters really strongly out of the gate. I was especially interested in how they chose to depict Ibuki. Given later information that is way too spoilery to even hint at. I also thought it was kind of interesting they chose to open the series with a bizarre abstract post story conversation between Iichan and Aikawa, Who also looked really good.

My closest point approaching a complaint has to do with the characterization of Kunagisa. Aoi Yukki is pretty perfect casting as her. But I also felt like she gave Kunagisa a little too much vigor if that's the right word. I always viewed Tomo as more closed off and withdrawn. Sure she could be cute and teasing but I never imagined her as teeming with energy as what we saw in this episode. I also didn't think the series did a good job of conveying that she deliberately turned his watch upside down as a prank. But these are minor complaints. It was a joy to watch Shaft give the beginning of this book their treatment. And I can't wait to finish it.
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I love Shaft. You can tell they worked a fuckton on the intro.

This should pass the time while waiting for Reiketsu.
May 24, 2017 10:12 AM

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This was odd and quite hard to get into.
Visually this was very heavy. Directing wasn't very pleasant either.
Kalafina were amazing as always tho.
Jul 18, 2017 12:10 AM

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I don't have much knowledge about Zaregoto honestly- other than it may well be completely unappealing to me.

Very fancy as expected...pretty to look at as expected, but felt appropriate
Sep 7, 2017 10:02 PM

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Interesting...It's like Monogatari.

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MASSIVE RANT INCOMING.

The only explanation I can find for why this is rated so highly, is because people will love any anime that has, "artful" looking.
If the goal of Niseoin was to create the ultimate "up its own ass" anime, then this anime is already a masterpiece.

1) The writing
2) Dialogue
3) Directing
4) The overall attitude

The writing:
Literally, exposition the anime. We've all complained about anime that start off with massive exposition, most recently Fate/Apocrypha, but at least they also had plot progression; a conflict; a goal; scenes actually doing something plot-wise.
This episode has literally nothing but exposition. There is 0 characterization ever shown. Everything is just told to you.

The Dialogue. Hooolllyyy ssshhhiiiit. Oh man, where do I begin. To explain the problem with the dialogue, I'm gonna have to break it down to 3 basic reasons.

1) Character assumptions:
Much of the dialogue consists of characters telling another character that they are wrong, or are stupid, of some sort.
The problem is they have literally no basis, on assuming what another character assumes. They just guess what another character thinks without any basic evidence.


2) Monologues:
It's clear that these characters barely know each other.
So then why do they go into such specific detail about themselves?
Why do they talk like they've known each other for years?

3) Lack of transition:
Characters start bringing up completely random topics out of left field, for no reason.
Example: Blondie starts ranting about how artists who finish their art in a few months when they could've done it in a week, are idiots.
Okay, that's fine. The problem is:
Where the hell did any of this come from?
In actual conversations, people change the topic by mentioning another topic in one conversation. Once that conversation is over, they change the topic to something that was mentioned in the 1st conversation.

The directing:
Seriously. Nothing about the directing makes sense.
What's the point of the panning shots when a character just walks?
Why do the backgrounds look so...weird?
None of these avante garde directing tricks exist to tell a story.
In Bakemonogatari, many times, a character's thoughts would be expressed in on-screen text in a flash (because when people think in their heads, they think very fast), and would be a different color (to reflect the mood of the character).
Zaregoto? Nothing serves any purpose. There's no reason for any of its strange directing.

The overall attitude:
This is personnel, but I don't care. The MC's monotone bland face, the characters' constant smirks, all reek of pretentiousness, like the anime's deliberately saying to the audience, "Ha ha, look how smart and cool I am!"

NOTE: I do not hate avante garde anime.
Angel's Egg and Texhnolylze I greatly admire, and those are some of the most out-there anime.
But neither of them preach to the audience, have completely unnatural and forced dialogue, or a pretentious attitude, like Zaregoto.
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