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Sep 12, 2016 12:10 PM
#101
I thought the conflict between Munakata and Naegi in this episode was well done, and it was nice to see Munakata finally come to his senses (His eye returned to normal too!). With Tengan's words, I feel pretty confident in the theory that the Monokuma monitors induce some kind of hypnosis or despair state that lead to the participants in the game to kill themselves. The monitors are displayed pretty prominently throughout the anime, so it would be a fitting reveal to have something that went mostly unnoticed by the characters be the cause of the killings. |
Sep 12, 2016 12:12 PM
#102
DarkHayate said: kacaj said: Robots aren´t people. Thats my point. ( and the core of that robot didn´t get destroyed either ) Human or not, I'm pretty sure she still counts as a participant though. Remember Nidai? Although he was a robot, he was still a participant in the Mutual Killing Game in SDR2. Killing him still counted as murder. And in Danganronpa 1, Alter Ego even got an execution despite being computer software! Considering this, I'm pretty sure Mecha-Gekkogahara is legitimately included in the survivor counter. Thanks to Neo World program Nidai had a human personality even as a robot, and when Alter Ego died the alive count stayed intact in DR1 too. But even with that her core was intact at the end of 9th episode and even at the beginning of 10th episode. If she is still counted as a robot, her "soul" are her data, her memories. As a robot she is still alive,and as a human, she was never a human to begin with. |
Sep 12, 2016 12:13 PM
#103
So, if Chisa is confirmed despair what was up with her plea to Makoto in the first episode about working together with Munakata? Just trolling? Either way, it seems like exactly that might happen now that someone finally got through to him. Makoto has his moments, though they're few and far between in the series. Sharp enough to figure out Munakata's code AND put himself in a situation where he can't be killed (good thing Hina didn't bust in about a minute earlier). Fun to watch him being awesome. Man, things do NOT look good for Chiaki in Despair side. |
Sep 12, 2016 12:20 PM
#104
Manecleis said: kacaj said: Chisa and Ruruka´s death, I can´t imagine them being suicides. Tengen said that anybody could be the killer, if the killings were suicides then it´s a contradiction. How so? I don't see a contradiction here. It would mean, that everyone who wasn´t killed by the killer ( suicide ) and already died can´t be the killer. I mean: Daisaku, Izayoi, Tengen, Kizakura. It´s nitpicking I know, but Tengen said that all of the Future Foundation members who are there could be the killers. He said it like he was sure, that everyone was at fault in this matter. I think that Tengen meant that everyone´s actions caused the killings, the game and everything. If you suppose that the killings were suicides, then it doesn´t exactly match his words, from many angles. |
Sep 12, 2016 12:21 PM
#105
kacaj said: Thanks to Neo World program Nidai had a human personality even as a robot, and when Alter Ego died the alive count stayed intact in DR1 too. But even with that her core was intact at the end of 9th episode and even at the beginning of 10th episode. If she is still counted as a robot, her "soul" are her data, her memories. As a robot she is still alive,and as a human, she was never a human to begin with. I see your point, however, this is mostly speculating. We don't have confirmation about that device being her 'core', it could very well simply be a tablet containing information about the participants. Even if it was her core though, I think the survivor counter would rather judge the state of her physical body since she couldn't really contribute to the game being a tablet. |
Sep 12, 2016 12:36 PM
#106
Okay firstly a great slow paced episode. 5/5 Chisa confirmed ultimate despair. 3 people confirmed dead. Ogata didn't know why the survivor count were high and thought the survivor death count included Byakuya and Hagakure. But that is obviously not the case because for Byakuya he'd otherwise be counted in episode 9 (where there were 9 participants, it would instead be 10) Now if Byakuya isn't counted, then it's safe to say Hagakure isn't counted. Who is confirmed dead? - Mecha-Miaya is definitely dead - cut in half - Ruruka Ando is definitely dead - brutally tortured and killed (Time Limit) - Juzo Sakakura - Ogata stated that Juzo died. "Sakakura really did die. She told everyone to watch Despair episode to find out why he died." Not to mention that blade he got stabbed with can burn out water, yeah I don't see him surviving a stab like that through vital organs. (He bled out) - Kyoko Kirigiri - Poisoned by NG code. Now something is obviously off by the fact that only 3 were removed from the death counter. But there is clearly a contradiction by the deaths. ALL of them are clearly DEAD. You can ONLY argue Kirigiri's death but even then that's unlikely. If she's still alive, she'll appear in the end. But, if she's still alive, there's some kind of flaw there because if she knew how to bypass an NG code, surely she would've told everyone before the timer that "Don't worry! I'm not dead, I'll come back shortly" or maybe even tell everyone how to bypass their NG code. She can't be THAT selfish? Would she really risk Makoto or Hina dying from their NG code, yeah no. So why is the survivor count still at 6? - Miaya was never a participant is the most likely conclusion that I gathered here. She's a robot and the Mastermind knew this. The NG code would never have worked on her, we don't even see any sort of NG code related things about her except the lie that Satan told Makoto and Hina. (Do note: She WAS a robot the ENTIRE time, she wasn't firstly a human in the killing game then a robot. She was flat out ROBOT) That leaves us with 2 mystery people. Who are they? No clue, I can speculate, but it's just out there. The most likely person to do this is Chiaki if she were to be brainwashed in Despair Side. If she isn't brainwashed, fuck knows. Which could mean Izuru/Hajime might try and save Chiaki at the final episode etc. (or kill her for maximum despair to the fans considering she was a despair all along and she gets killed) PS. I really love Munakatana's character even more now |
RukoudioraSep 12, 2016 12:40 PM
Sep 12, 2016 12:47 PM
#107
Kirigiri looks fab even with trash on her head. Mitarai pls. Naegi (and Asahina) spent more time with Kyouka, of course they are much more sadder than you. It's not a matter of how much you cry to begin with. You can still be hell a lot of sad and not be crying at all over someone's death. Not everyone is the same. How the hell can you remove despair if you are the last person standing? That's ridiculous. All Munakata has is excessive pride, he's blinded by his own views. I don't even care if he dies or lives at this stage, just get him out of my screen. Tbh Naegi is such a boring character. All he has done this series is run around and say stuff like how hope is great and blahblahblah. And how he's always positive (when he's not even that positive as everyone claims he is, but oh well. I would prefer if he at least had a sense of humor. At least would make him more worthwhile than the repititve dialogue he utters) At least he was solving mysteries in the S1, never liked him much to begin with. He's as boring as Munakata, but ye less annoying than him. Okay now it makes sense why Munakata killed Sakakura. Anyways I'm glad it resolved well. I wonder if Kyouko is dead for real... |
Sep 12, 2016 12:49 PM
#108
Sep 12, 2016 12:50 PM
#109
Rukoudiora said: Okay firstly a great slow paced episode. 5/5 Chisa confirmed ultimate despair. 3 people confirmed dead. Ogata didn't know why the survivor count were high and thought the survivor death count included Byakuya and Hagakure. But that is obviously not the case because for Byakuya he'd otherwise be counted in episode 9 (where there were 9 participants, it would instead be 10) Now if Byakuya isn't counted, then it's safe to say Hagakure isn't counted. Who is confirmed dead? - Mecha-Miaya is definitely dead - cut in half - Ruruka Ando is definitely dead - brutally tortured and killed (Time Limit) - Juzo Sakakura - Ogata stated that Juzo died. "Sakakura really did die. She told everyone to watch Despair episode to find out why he died." Not to mention that blade he got stabbed with can burn out water, yeah I don't see him surviving a stab like that through vital organs. (He bled out) - Kyoko Kirigiri - Poisoned by NG code. Now something is obviously off by the fact that only 3 were removed from the death counter. But there is clearly a contradiction by the deaths. ALL of them are clearly DEAD. You can ONLY argue Kirigiri's death but even then that's unlikely. If she's still alive, she'll appear in the end. But, if she's still alive, there's some kind of flaw there because if she knew how to bypass an NG code, surely she would've told everyone before the timer that "Don't worry! I'm not dead, I'll come back shortly" or maybe even tell everyone how to bypass their NG code. She can't be THAT selfish? Would she really risk Makoto or Hina dying from their NG code, yeah no. So why is the survivor count still at 6? - Miaya was never a participant is the most likely conclusion that I gathered here. She's a robot and the Mastermind knew this. The NG code would never have worked on her, we don't even see any sort of NG code related things about her except the lie that Satan told Makoto and Hina. (Do note: She WAS a robot the ENTIRE time, she wasn't firstly a human in the killing game then a robot. She was flat out ROBOT) That leaves us with 2 mystery people. Who are they? No clue, I can speculate, but it's just out there. The most likely person to do this is Chiaki if she were to be brainwashed in Despair Side. If she isn't brainwashed, fuck knows. Which could mean Izuru/Hajime might try and save Chiaki at the final episode etc. (or kill her for maximum despair to the fans considering she was a despair all along and she gets killed) PS. I really love Munakatana's character even more now Finally someone except me thinks that Robot Gekkogahara wasn´t counted. But I can´t believe that Byakuya and Hagakure aren´t counted. I think that at least one of them should be, if not both of them. What if Byakuya even if he wasn´t there was being counted as a participant from the beginning, because the mastermind knew that at some point he will get to enter the game? |
Sep 12, 2016 12:54 PM
#110
i swear if Kirigiri still alive, those emotional moment really go to waste already happened with asahina hope kirigiri stay dead |
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Sep 12, 2016 12:56 PM
#111
kacaj said: Rukoudiora said: Okay firstly a great slow paced episode. 5/5 Chisa confirmed ultimate despair. 3 people confirmed dead. Ogata didn't know why the survivor count were high and thought the survivor death count included Byakuya and Hagakure. But that is obviously not the case because for Byakuya he'd otherwise be counted in episode 9 (where there were 9 participants, it would instead be 10) Now if Byakuya isn't counted, then it's safe to say Hagakure isn't counted. Who is confirmed dead? - Mecha-Miaya is definitely dead - cut in half - Ruruka Ando is definitely dead - brutally tortured and killed (Time Limit) - Juzo Sakakura - Ogata stated that Juzo died. "Sakakura really did die. She told everyone to watch Despair episode to find out why he died." Not to mention that blade he got stabbed with can burn out water, yeah I don't see him surviving a stab like that through vital organs. (He bled out) - Kyoko Kirigiri - Poisoned by NG code. Now something is obviously off by the fact that only 3 were removed from the death counter. But there is clearly a contradiction by the deaths. ALL of them are clearly DEAD. You can ONLY argue Kirigiri's death but even then that's unlikely. If she's still alive, she'll appear in the end. But, if she's still alive, there's some kind of flaw there because if she knew how to bypass an NG code, surely she would've told everyone before the timer that "Don't worry! I'm not dead, I'll come back shortly" or maybe even tell everyone how to bypass their NG code. She can't be THAT selfish? Would she really risk Makoto or Hina dying from their NG code, yeah no. So why is the survivor count still at 6? - Miaya was never a participant is the most likely conclusion that I gathered here. She's a robot and the Mastermind knew this. The NG code would never have worked on her, we don't even see any sort of NG code related things about her except the lie that Satan told Makoto and Hina. (Do note: She WAS a robot the ENTIRE time, she wasn't firstly a human in the killing game then a robot. She was flat out ROBOT) That leaves us with 2 mystery people. Who are they? No clue, I can speculate, but it's just out there. The most likely person to do this is Chiaki if she were to be brainwashed in Despair Side. If she isn't brainwashed, fuck knows. Which could mean Izuru/Hajime might try and save Chiaki at the final episode etc. (or kill her for maximum despair to the fans considering she was a despair all along and she gets killed) PS. I really love Munakatana's character even more now Finally someone except me thinks that Robot Gekkogahara wasn´t counted. But I can´t believe that Byakuya and Hagakure aren´t counted. I think that at least one of them should be, if not both of them. What if Byakuya even if he wasn´t there was being counted as a participant from the beginning, because the mastermind knew that at some point he will get to enter the game? Yeah, that sounds plausible actually, if Byakuya and Hagakure were being counted since the begin it would make sense that the counter is at 6. It's either this or two new characters. |
Sep 12, 2016 1:01 PM
#112
I agree with the TV theory, and I think Mitarai knows about that but he can't tell them because of his forbbiden action. This could be the reason why Tengan knows about that, too. He scouted Mitarai so probably he told Tengan about how Junko used his anime to brainwash people. Munakata keeps asking how Chisa turned despair and when did that happened, he totally doesn't know about the possibility of brainwashing. I think that Chiaki is the mastermind. Despair arc focused in two things: the brainwashing anime and Chiaki. Chiaki being killed by Chisa would be boring. Also I think they will be saved by Hinata and the others. That would show Munakata that Naegi's hope is correct and that just killing all the despair isn't the solution. |
Sep 12, 2016 1:06 PM
#113
The head count says 6 so I'm sure Kyoko is still alive (THANK YOU GOD). I'm only gonna assume that with the combination of the Cure-W and the poison has rendered her body into a coma or at least barely functioning. They didn't check her pulse or if she was breathing or not. Looks like the Despair Arc from last week confirms that Yukizome is indeed a despair all along with the massacre of the pre-school kids. That means Chiaki is in deep trouble in the other series. Well, we finally get to see what is going on with Jabberwock Island...which we really didn't see anything. The ships are leaving now and possibly headed to the Future Foundation. Asahina also found Kyoko's notebook on who she believes is the killer. Next week should be packed with revelations now that the Makoto/Munakata fight has been settled (for now) with the reveal on who the attacker is and who is coming back from Jabberwock Island. Will it be Izuru or Hinata!?!? I'm really excited! |
Sep 12, 2016 1:12 PM
#114
Rukoudiora said: But there is clearly a contradiction by the deaths. ALL of them are clearly DEAD. You can ONLY argue Kirigiri's death but even then that's unlikely. If she's still alive, she'll appear in the end. But, if she's still alive, there's some kind of flaw there because if she knew how to bypass an NG code, surely she would've told everyone before the timer that "Don't worry! I'm not dead, I'll come back shortly" or maybe even tell everyone how to bypass their NG code. She can't be THAT selfish? Would she really risk Makoto or Hina dying from their NG code, yeah no. I think she didn't tell anyone because she wasn't sure if the Cure-W would work on her or not. If she told anyone that she's sure that she's gonna be poisoned by the code next because Makoto needs to die, Makoto would likely sacrifice himself rather take the gamble on Kyoko surviving or not. It was proven earlier that Bandai couldn't be cured after being poisoned so she probably took the Cure-W before she got poisoned to see if she can live or not. Also with the notebook that Asahina found, I'm sure she figured out who the attacker is and hopes that the others can end this, thus believing that the others will survive after she is dead. So she is taking a huge gamble on it working or not. That's pretty much why she said she believes in Makoto and to move forward if the cure didn't work and she dies. Also, I'm pretty sure the Cure-W she found is the only one left or at least the only one in her possession. I don't think its because she's selfish and only had to make a choice now because she was sure she's going to fail her NG code next rather than Makoto and Aoi. |
TehSnawnSep 12, 2016 1:18 PM
Sep 12, 2016 1:17 PM
#115
TehSnawn said: Rukoudiora said: But there is clearly a contradiction by the deaths. ALL of them are clearly DEAD. You can ONLY argue Kirigiri's death but even then that's unlikely. If she's still alive, she'll appear in the end. But, if she's still alive, there's some kind of flaw there because if she knew how to bypass an NG code, surely she would've told everyone before the timer that "Don't worry! I'm not dead, I'll come back shortly" or maybe even tell everyone how to bypass their NG code. She can't be THAT selfish? Would she really risk Makoto or Hina dying from their NG code, yeah no. I think she didn't tell anyone because she wasn't sure if the Cure-W would work on her or not. So she is taking a huge gamble on it working. That's pretty much why she said she believes in Makoto and to move forward if the cure didn't work. Also, I'm pretty sure the Cure-W she found is the only one left or at least the only one in her possession. I think she is just relying on luck with the Cure-W than logic. We shall see though. Yeah, I guess there's that too, trying for the sake of trying. It would also be awfully convenient for her to wake up way later than others in my opinion. Don't get me wrong, I love Kyoko and I'd be very happy for her to come back, but I also don't want it to be some sort of bullshit way or lazy writing, if you understand. but yeah, we'll see, a lot of things are going to go down in the next episode. |
Sep 12, 2016 1:22 PM
#116
Asahina's eyes became green..? was it an error? or is the chisa=aoi theory still around? |
Sep 12, 2016 1:31 PM
#117
Great episode overall. So Chisa becoming despair was true. Predicted since ep1! Munakata's NG code is "opening doors", found out several episodes earlier. Not much turns out to be big surprise, even Tengan's revelation was already found by japanese fans that could read his mouth and tell "there isn't only one attackant" if I do recall. Still, the picture with despaired Chisa that just killed children was interesting. But hell yeah, everything is getting confirmed, I think next ep we'll see some action and maybe some twists. So hyped about the Remnants (maybe) leaving Jabberwock Island! 4/5 |
Sep 12, 2016 1:40 PM
#119
Don't think Kyoko's dead yet http://imgur.com/gallery/raSvd |
Sep 12, 2016 1:52 PM
#120
So roughly speaking, the overall "plot" has to be as follows: the remnants of Despair and Yukizome had to be accomplices all along. Her students triggered the terrorist assaults as Yukizome manipulated Munakata since the beginning of the Future Foundation to make him resort to ruthless and despair-ish methods to seize power and get rid of despair. Tengan probably realized this long ago, and that's why he lost his flame and was deemed weak by Munakata who believed in agressive methods. Eventually, we can say that the biggest, most awful, most tragic event of mankind was a two-sided tragedy, and although Ultimate Despair was an insane and twisted group, the Future Foundation was really rotten at its core since their most powerful leader was manipulated by despair from the outset. |
Sep 12, 2016 1:55 PM
#121
I'm not sure we can trust Tengan. For all we know, he only thought that what he said was the truth. It could have been wrong. Also, we can't necessarily trust Ryouta. The further along we go without him really contributing to the plot makes me more suspicious of him. I'm not sure what's up with the aftercredits scene though. I don't want the SDR2 kids to be evil again. |
Sep 12, 2016 1:55 PM
#122
@Anoza The theory still around but that happens with everyone in this anime. I don't know why tho. It happened with Chiaki, Mitarai, Kirigiri, etc too o-o I can totally see it being planned by Chisa, Junko and the rest of the students in advance. But, I don't think the SDR2 cast is involved now, I do truly believe they were cured (it is wishful thinking tho just because I spent so much time and tears on that game, I don't want the ending to be meaningless). Maybe they planned how to take down the FF (this game) and the Junko AI thing at the same time. or not |
taynisSep 12, 2016 2:10 PM
Sep 12, 2016 1:57 PM
#123
Okay, Naegi, Munakata, and Asahina are crossed off from my list of being attackers/masterminds imo...with Mitarai still being a little suspicious but also too obvious. Back when Togami said this game must have been connected with Jabberwock Island I believed him so. I'm okay with these four surviving, but mostly Naegi and Asahina because they're my babies. sarroush said: Holy fucking shit though. Chisa killed a bunch of preschoolers? That's savage af. I wonder if Koizumi took the pictures... ;_; |
Sep 12, 2016 2:22 PM
#124
What a forced cliffhanger. 1/5. 2/5 the whole series. This studio isn't decent at all. |
Sep 12, 2016 2:33 PM
#125
Finally liking Munakata again! Also Naegi really IS good with words, I can imagine him getting Hitler in a room and leaving with Hitler crying into his shoulder as Naegi soothingly shushes him. Though... who could be attacker? It could be Mitarai but he came WITH Asahina and she knows who it is... Also did we ever find out who was in the helicopter that shot at Hakagure? Probably just a despair soldier though... It's also weird they cut out some of the Naegi Kirigiri flashback. Essentially the point saying that Kirigiri betrayed Naegi to save herself. I thought they were gonna go for a "She betrayed him for herself in the past, now she's making up for it and sacrificing herself to save Naegi" kind of thing. |
Sep 12, 2016 3:02 PM
#126
Sep 12, 2016 3:15 PM
#128
NO DANGANRONPA, NOT LIKE THIS! WHY WOULD YOU END JUST WHEN ASAHINA SAID SHE KNOWS WHO THE ATTACKER IS?! AAAAAAAAAAH Screams full of despair aside, pretty decent episode. Munakata vs Makoto was indeed a tough fight and what happened confirmed everything about Chisa being a Despair. We got it right, boys! Chisa become a Despair thanks to Junko and her sister and most likely she's one of the main reasons this whole game happened. I admire Makoto, I don't know if in that situation I would have thought the same things as him... I mean, if I found out the one I loved and trusted the most made such terrible things and hid all from me, maybe I would have ended up like Munakata. Now I feel I understand him a bit more. I must congratulate with the authors for the brave decision of letting a so important character like Kirigiri die for real. Even if her death in the last episode disappointed me in the way it was presented, in this one I felt real pain and sadness, good job. Now we have to wait another week to discover the true identity of our attacker and, I hope, the one and only mastermind behind this. I also want to see something about Jabberwock Island, it MUST have some relevance. EDIT: Just one thing that's not clear to me. During the opening, the counter of remaining survivors shows number 6, but aren't there only 5 survivors? 1) Makoto; 2) Asahina; 3) Mitarai; 4) Munakata; 5) Yasuhiro (does he really counts anything at this point?) So... who is this sixth survivor? Who do you think he is? I agree that he/she is our true attacker and mastermind, but just who is this person? |
TanoX_93Sep 12, 2016 3:26 PM
Sep 12, 2016 3:16 PM
#129
Sep 12, 2016 3:42 PM
#130
There are six survivors and no it's not a new guy or Hakugarue they don't count but's wither Juzo or Kirigiri. Also we are only two episodes left. I am starting to think Tegan and Ryota aren't despairs but created some sort of monster or something.Also the ships seems to be empty and wanted someone to pick up Hajime and the remenats. Also Despair Chisa knew it. |
Sep 12, 2016 4:14 PM
#131
If we are counting Togami for some stupid reason, than Toko should be counted, and then it becomes a whole mess. The killing game isn't over, otherwise Kirigiri's NG Code never would have been triggered and Ruruka wouldn't be dead. |
Sep 12, 2016 5:42 PM
#132
so Yukizome Chisa truly was a Despair till the end that's messed up ,said it during the zetsubou last week is that first episode opening still a thing?! something doesn't add up. |
Sep 12, 2016 5:43 PM
#133
Stark700 said: So Kirigiri is dead now. Kirigiri's been dead. People were just going through the denial stage of a beloved character that died. :P Still hate Munakata. I still wouldn't care if he died in some shape or form. God, poor Naegi. Felt so sorry for him. Of the three best friends, Chisa was the only one I liked and could stand, which was unfortunate so see that she was part to of the Despairs (therefore the mind control worked. Something crappy is going to happen to one of the characters in the Despair side by Chisa, I'm sure). In any case, I have no idea who the attacker is, and Tengan's words confused me, as he basically said everyone is afflicted with despair, and they can all be the attacker, correct? Does that mean that each and every person from time to time that were alive became a killer? I have no clue. |
Sep 12, 2016 5:47 PM
#134
I'll be very disappointed if it turns out Kirigiri survived. Just too cliche for me. |
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Sep 12, 2016 5:54 PM
#135
kyouko 😭😭😭 Makaoto vs Munakata omg He finally woke up. Asahina a&a&hhhhhhhhhh |
Sep 12, 2016 6:06 PM
#136
So we need to wait another week to know what writen in that notebook. *sigh~ And i maybe gettin desperate but when Naegi touch Kirigiri's face her left side didnt look purple to me, last week it look all dark with alittle red (blood) . And no vein either. Im not sure about the blood tho. |
IarIzSep 12, 2016 6:12 PM
i wish and dream for the Future where everyone i care can Smile happily from their heart. But no matter where i look. how ever i see... there s no me. im not there. Just like that. |
Sep 12, 2016 6:13 PM
#137
During the scene where Naegi was walking through the corridor, it was very good, especially the part where Munakata said that to destroy despair is an act of mercy and his last words were "Naegi... I will save you", while at same time, Naegi last thoughts were "Munakata i will stop you", these lines shown a different side of Munakata, where he actually considers himself mercifull and Naegi who( until now we didn't think it had the power to 'what needed to be done') is willing to cross a line, a rule, I would say, to not use violence to stop despair. At this moment I was happy that I was wrong, that this show could be more mature and that this fight between "two hopes" could be really a good idea..... but it was a total clusterfuck from this to the end of the episode. 10 episodes wasted for this, for this moment that really has no meaning unless you give one and create things in your mind. The fight: Its pathetic, useless, all this moment i thought that they were saving arguments,debates and other ideological conflicts for this single moment, but it didn't have any. I dare you, right now to search through the dictionary, a philosophy book, whatever type of resources you have: what is the meaning of hope? what it is? is an emotion? unconditional faith? Because after 10 episodes either I am to stupid to understand Munakata's logic or he doesn't fucking know what this word means. he says and I repeat that true hope can only be obtained by sacrificing and killing no matter who it is or what it is. Did he even think( I mean the responsible to write this shitty dialogue) of what he was saying? I mean it doesn't take too much to understand the point of having hope if you sacrifice your loved ones, the life of anyone, your convictions, and this means your convictions of hope too because why not?! Munakata doesn't discriminate anything. Let's talk about justice( in a chaotic world like danganronpa), what happens when someone like Munakata decides who lives and dies? no one decides, chooses, judge besides him. Has justice any hope? Is it unnecessary? Then there is a restrict use for hope? See these are important questions that noone bothers to ask or argue against Munakata whose only argument is "I will destroy despair" I dare right now to check all the episodes and search for one where he didn't said that line. This brings me to Naegi. When, how and why did this character become so childish, naive, and even stupid? As Munakata, Naegi suffers from the rare disease in this episode where he repeats the same things but doesn't try to explain, reinforce what is his "thesis",his idea about hope. The fight revolves around: "You are wrong!" "You don't know what despair is" "You only think about despair" "Your words have no power!" and it goes on and on and on................ If Munakata was a little smart he could attack Naegi's weak point, by saying that despair takes advantage of his humility and kindness, how he couldn't stop the death of his friends or anyone in this game, but no, and then the worst part of all happens. Munakata wasn't convinced by Naegi's "hope", but rather because he only noticed that he was wrong by realising that he was denying chisa's love, memories whatever the fuck i have witnessed before my eyes. It ends with them talking about their "kind of" dead lovers, Munakata is so fucking irrational that he beats Naegi to a pulp saying he doesn't understand about losing a lover, MINUTES AFTER HE WITNESSED KIRIGIRI'S DEATH, in which Munakata admits it himself. this is too fucked up. The fact that their lines are so superficial and unprovided by logical arguments shows that there really is nothing more than we are seeing here, that the creators of this damn show doesn't know how deepen the story more than this and only gives us theses stupid fights. Other than that let's see more errors: Hagakure existence overall Togami unable to do anything, 10 episodes and I can count all his lines in my hands. We don't know what fuck there is in that island, if the despair team decided to fuck each other and live happy ever after. We still don't who the attacker is and I will tell you now IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER because any traitor worth his salt is killing everyone here and now when they are all reunited, and even then would it be satisfying? They only show the important evidences AFTER THE CASE IS SOLVED, making you just accept what is handed in front of you. I will never know if you are reading this, giving the fact this will be the last episode I will see of this, I wanted to take this off my back because it was eating me from the damn beginning, even though I could keep writing until I die about this. |
Sep 12, 2016 6:18 PM
#138
Sep 12, 2016 6:21 PM
#139
Gladto see they are sticking with their guns and keeping Kirirgi dead..my favorite character had to tease me at the end though. I am pump to see who is the attacker or attackers. But wow I gotta say the development Yukizome has been amazing through both arcs. It is crazy how much we have learned about her...and she's dead. I can see her being cosplay at the cons next year. |
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Sep 12, 2016 6:24 PM
#140
O_O Wow, what a rant from that nobody199 guy... Didn't read not even 1/3 of it but I can tell that this one had his expectations on impossible levels... |
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Sep 12, 2016 6:30 PM
#141
HyperL said: O_O Wow, what a rant from that nobody199 guy... Didn't read not even 1/3 of it but I can tell that this one had his expectations on impossible levels... well....thanks for the praise, i guess. |
Sep 12, 2016 6:39 PM
#142
nobody199 said: HyperL said: O_O Wow, what a rant from that nobody199 guy... Didn't read not even 1/3 of it but I can tell that this one had his expectations on impossible levels... well....thanks for the praise, i guess. lol I think you're fine, even though you're expectations may be rather far-fetched. It seems you've been so far very disappointed with the show, which is fine and all, but still, don't go! You only got two more episodes left! Won't you stick til' the very end, at least? You may be in for a surprise (not sure if pleasantly though. lol) |
Sep 12, 2016 6:48 PM
#143
nobody199 said: During the scene where Naegi was walking through the corridor, it was very good, especially the part where Munakata said that to destroy despair is an act of mercy and his last words were "Naegi... I will save you", while at same time, Naegi last thoughts were "Munakata i will stop you", these lines shown a different side of Munakata, where he actually considers himself mercifull and Naegi who( until now we didn't think it had the power to 'what needed to be done') is willing to cross a line, a rule, I would say, to not use violence to stop despair. At this moment I was happy that I was wrong, that this show could be more mature and that this fight between "two hopes" could be really a good idea..... but it was a total clusterfuck from this to the end of the episode. 10 episodes wasted for this, for this moment that really has no meaning unless you give one and create things in your mind. The fight: Its pathetic, useless, all this moment i thought that they were saving arguments,debates and other ideological conflicts for this single moment, but it didn't have any. I dare you, right now to search through the dictionary, a philosophy book, whatever type of resources you have: what is the meaning of hope? what it is? is an emotion? unconditional faith? Because after 10 episodes either I am to stupid to understand Munakata's logic or he doesn't fucking know what this word means. he says and I repeat that true hope can only be obtained by sacrificing and killing no matter who it is or what it is. Did he even think( I mean the responsible to write this shitty dialogue) of what he was saying? I mean it doesn't take too much to understand the point of having hope if you sacrifice your loved ones, the life of anyone, your convictions, and this means your convictions of hope too because why not?! Munakata doesn't discriminate anything. Let's talk about justice( in a chaotic world like danganronpa), what happens when someone like Munakata decides who lives and dies? no one decides, chooses, judge besides him. Has justice any hope? Is it unnecessary? Then there is a restrict use for hope? See these are important questions that noone bothers to ask or argue against Munakata whose only argument is "I will destroy despair" I dare right now to check all the episodes and search for one where he didn't said that line. This brings me to Naegi. When, how and why did this character become so childish, naive, and even stupid? As Munakata, Naegi suffers from the rare disease in this episode where he repeats the same things but doesn't try to explain, reinforce what is his "thesis",his idea about hope. The fight revolves around: "You are wrong!" "You don't know what despair is" "You only think about despair" "Your words have no power!" and it goes on and on and on................ If Munakata was a little smart he could attack Naegi's weak point, by saying that despair takes advantage of his humility and kindness, how he couldn't stop the death of his friends or anyone in this game, but no, and then the worst part of all happens. Munakata wasn't convinced by Naegi's "hope", but rather because he only noticed that he was wrong by realising that he was denying chisa's love, memories whatever the fuck i have witnessed before my eyes. It ends with them talking about their "kind of" dead lovers, Munakata is so fucking irrational that he beats Naegi to a pulp saying he doesn't understand about losing a lover, MINUTES AFTER HE WITNESSED KIRIGIRI'S DEATH, in which Munakata admits it himself. this is too fucked up. The fact that their lines are so superficial and unprovided by logical arguments shows that there really is nothing more than we are seeing here, that the creators of this damn show doesn't know how deepen the story more than this and only gives us theses stupid fights. Other than that let's see more errors: Hagakure existence overall Togami unable to do anything, 10 episodes and I can count all his lines in my hands. We don't know what fuck there is in that island, if the despair team decided to fuck each other and live happy ever after. We still don't who the attacker is and I will tell you now IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER because any traitor worth his salt is killing everyone here and now when they are all reunited, and even then would it be satisfying? They only show the important evidences AFTER THE CASE IS SOLVED, making you just accept what is handed in front of you. I will never know if you are reading this, giving the fact this will be the last episode I will see of this, I wanted to take this off my back because it was eating me from the damn beginning, even though I could keep writing until I die about this. I disagree with a lot of things about this, I'll address some of them 1) You expected WAY too much when the outcome of this fight was already obvious to begin with, it was never going to be an ideological battle from the start because Munakata was completely insane, besides an ideological talking battle from the beginning of the episode until the end would be pretty boring tbh 2)The fight was ok, it was nice to see Naegi taking charge for once, his plan worked and he managed to drag Munakata out for a conversation putting him in a situation where he couldn't escape, from them on the fight played like a class trial and of course, Naegi won The concepts of Hope and Despair are pretty well defined in the DR universe, I don't think they need any further clarification, Munakata has a radical view of hope and that was taken to the extreme due to what Tengan said and what he saw in the Yukizome's photos 3)Naegi was ready to cooperate with Munakata's idea of hope since episode 3, Munakata was the one being stubborn and insisting that Naegi's empty platitudes were an useless thing and he only got worse and more radical with each new episode, it as clear that he needed a wake up call to be reasoned with 4)I don't think you understood why Munakata screamed "You don't know" to Naegi, Munakata was obviously unconsciously acting up on the pain of being betrayed by his loved one so what Naegi said resonated with him and he recognized that he screwed up and was being unreasonable tl;dr - I don't agree with your points, you expected something entirely different to what was obviously going to happen and honestly you only have your own expectations to blame here |
MightyM16Sep 12, 2016 6:52 PM
Sep 12, 2016 6:51 PM
#144
she's really gone isn't she... |
"My name is John Locke, and I'm responsible for the well being of this Island" |
Sep 12, 2016 6:53 PM
#145
J0HN_L0CKE said: she's really gone isn't she... Eh, I wouldn't say. The counter said 6 people were alive, there is still the Cure W thing and of course she wouldn't immediately return in this episode after her powerful sacrifice moment in episode 9 |
Sep 12, 2016 6:53 PM
#146
AmyTwo said: nobody199 said: HyperL said: O_O Wow, what a rant from that nobody199 guy... Didn't read not even 1/3 of it but I can tell that this one had his expectations on impossible levels... well....thanks for the praise, i guess. lol I think you're fine, even though you're expectations may be rather far-fetched. It seems you've been so far very disappointed with the show, which is fine and all, but still, don't go! You only got two more episodes left! Won't you stick til' the very end, at least? You may be in for a surprise (not sure if pleasantly though. lol) Haha! Thanks for the dose of hope! But I really am busy with my own things,if you know what i mean,studies and other things.... I don't think it's just because I am not liking it, but the time I reserve to enjoy myself and watch anime, this one, I don't get excited, so I don't see the point. If I really have nothing to do....maybe I will watch it next week. I will agree that dangan ronpa is unpredictable to the core. Also I may not like this show, but I am loving zetsobou-hen and it's direction, it gradually became dark from light, this I will be sure to see this week! |
Sep 12, 2016 7:24 PM
#147
MightyM16 said: 2)The fight was ok, it was nice to see Naegi taking charge for once, his plan worked and he managed to drag Munakata out for a conversation putting him in a situation where he couldn't escape, from them on the fight played like a class trial and of course, Naegi won Something particularly refreshing about this was getting to see Naegi use his deduction skills again, which we really hadn't seen since DR1. For most of this arc it's been Kirigiri putting things together and doing all the heavy-lifting as the former SHSL detective. Having at least one scene where you see Naegi put his own detective skills to use is a nice callback to the first game (especially with the class trial music playing in the background). Something I'd actually enjoy seeing is Asahina explaining who the attacker is after going over Kirigiri's notebook to show some development on her part - growing from someone who was relatively inconsequential in the presentation of trial evidence (except Chapter 4 of course, which solidified her position as my favorite character in the series) into someone who is also capable of contributing to the mystery solving on her own...even if the notes are Kirigiri's. |
Sep 12, 2016 7:29 PM
#148
MightyM16 said: J0HN_L0CKE said: she's really gone isn't she... Eh, I wouldn't say. The counter said 6 people were alive, there is still the Cure W thing and of course she wouldn't immediately return in this episode after her powerful sacrifice moment in episode 9 your hope will only lead me to a greater despair ;_; |
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Sep 12, 2016 7:40 PM
#149
Sep 12, 2016 8:15 PM
#150
J0HN_L0CKE said: if anything this episode more or less confirmed shes alive with the counter, i mean unless they bullshit us that juzo somehow survived bleeding out from multiple piercings over the course of a multitude of hours unattended to. she's really gone isn't she... I'd prefer kirigiri stay dead cause i dislike fake outs and i think they cheapen things but im not getting my hopes up that she is when stuff like that bottle still havent been explained. if they go through the whole journal next episode and dont even bring up the bottle then ill buy that shes dead and the cure w was a red herring. and take this with a grain of salt cause kodaka isnt one for consistency but i recall him outright saying before that if you survived a killing game you were pretty much safe in any sequel material. That said he also has said he would never continue the DR2 cast from where they left off and that wound up being bull so again take with salt. I just dont buy him offing kirigiri. |
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