| Can't blame them for getting baited by Hirasaka's attempts to insert romance to the story. |
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Kirigaro92 said: If you have any faith left in this series, abandon it inmediately before reading: So wait, were these spoilers confirmed? |
| Big Order (TV):great anime or greatest anime? |
| WHAT THE FUCK! WHAT ABOUT MY SENA????! Even her name didn't appear on those spoilers </3 |
| Finally got my hands on it and read it. What can I say... Hirasaka-sensei promised us a volume-length epilogue and he brought us a volume-length epilogue. The only problem being the "ending" of the previous volume, for which this "epilogue" is made. I don't know how much I am different from the general fanbase, but it felt really strange that Kodaka dated for a whole year with a character that was a boy for 4.5 volumes and even after "becoming" a girl did little to nothing to help the reader (me) to treat her as such. Also, this volume was so different in composition from the previous ones that it didn't feel like Haganai. The desire to fit a whole year into one volume made the story too shallow and "piecewise". At first, it was funny (I laughed at the Valentine's Day chapter). But then I found out that most of the chapters are like the Valentine's Day one... :( This "shallowness" of the story made characters feel "shallow" too, and their actions hard to believe. Especially in cases of Rika (who suddenly turned into an idealist from a realist she has always been. To the point that Yukimura sounded like Archer from F/sn UBW on that sound recording o_O) and Sena (who was completely disregarded by Kodaka, but said "that's ok, I will get what I want with my own hands", then did nothing for a year, then did nothing for three months, then said "I will get what I want with my own hands" again, applied to the same University as Kodaka... and apparently will do nothing. Does she love him still? I hope not. Kodaka does not deserve her.) Of course, it can be seen as somehow ok, since it is "just a long epilogue". But was there no better choice? But having said all that, I still love Haganai as a whole with all my heart. It gave me so much, from tons of enjoyment to confidence in Japanese reading (it was my first light novel that I could read without looking into dictionary every 10 minutes). I also still admire Hirasaka-sensei's writing style and sense of humour, and will continue reading his other works. It was a great journey and I have absolutely no regret of having read all the volumes of Boku wa Tomodachi ga Sukunai. I will miss it. P.S. I am curious about several things from your opinions. - What girls were you, guys, supporting and why? I was equally hoping for either Sena-end or Rika-end. (And secretly admiring Kobato :P) Both Sena and Rika have that characteristic that "They know what they want, they know what they must do to achieve it, they can do it, they are not bent by other's envy". Those are the things that many characters (and real people, lol) nowadays really lack, and it was always pleasure to read about the two. Actually, Sena's monologue near the end of volume "10" looked so much alike to John Galt's monologue from "Atlas Shrugged" that I couldn't stop laughing and praising Hirasaka-sensei, until... well... the disaster. - Those of you who are already reading Imouto Sae Ireba Ii, does it really continues the ideals of Haganai in a better way? (I still have 9 volumes of Monogatari to finish before I can allow myself to start a new LN series :P) - Was there anyone among you, who actually liked the ending of the volume 10? :)) - Can you suggest me other LNs that are as easy-to-read (in Japanese), filled with humour, but also have noticable character development and are touching complex topics? P.P.S. Sorry for writing this wall of text. I spent the whole day reading this final volume in one go, and just want my thoughts to be heard by someone. :)) |
ZulkirSep 5, 2015 4:52 PM
| Well, as a person who likes clear and direct endings when it comes to romantic matters, the novel's ending did not entirely please me. But well, it is nice that all members of the club achieved their initial goals. That said, I would have still loved to see Kodaka devote himself to Sena, though that's just my inner fan speaking. |
| I watched the anime several years ago, and just picked up the novel from volume 9. Honestly didn't expect an open-ended (kind of) ending. But yeah, it's not stated explicitly, but it is clear to careful readers that Sena ends up being the winner, the most obvious evidence being that mc defined the other three heroines as some other roles than lovers, but Sena was omitted. mironicus said: Niku Niku Niku!TheChosenOne1992 said: is Sena really the winner? I felt that Kodaka did not feel real love for her, but only lust, and I would like you to give me your opinion about it. Sena and Kodaka will become lovers after graduation. Kodaka was obsessed with sexual fantasies and the desire to monopolize her. But Sena was merely obsessed with Kobato at that time, not with him. He broke the promise because Yukimura forced him to date with her. He is still weak and vulnerable and gives up easily. Their relationship was unhappy because he dates a girl he don't love, a girl with no boobs, no ass, no curves. In their dates Yukimura decides where to go, and he follows her like a pet so Yukimura remains happy but he isn't. Their relationship never progressed, she offered him sex under the pressure that they have not much time left. After graduation their relationship would have ended so he avoided it. Yukimura decided to break up with him. Kodaka himself never will make such a decision, because of his vulnerable personality he don't intend to hurt people which makes him dishonest, most girls start to get desperate and give up on him on their own. After that incident with Yukimura Sena shifts her gaze now 100% towards Kodaka and she will make sure that he will never jump from her hook again. They both attempt the same college and also study the same subject. The next few years they always will be together. Sena's grades are so high that she could go to a much better university but her live plans only intends to remain at his side because she loves him so much. It's nearly impossible for any girl to get him because of his vulnerable and avoiding personality. Kodaka himself has not the guts to approach a girl he likes, so he can't start relationships with people he likes on his own. Only a girl who proofs her neverchanging love to him can become a part of his life. Sena wins and gets him because she never gives up on anything she wants. Yozora also becomes her butler, she turned her greatest enemy into a faithful and devoted alley who will serve her for the rest of her life. This will also happen with any other person Sena is interested in. She puts her mind into it and finds the perfect approach to get along with them and all of her relationships will be very good and no one will ever decide to leave her. |
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| All of these posters with the Sena end delusion...., thank you for making my night. I had no idea that the meaning of the word 'open' was changed. Well, I can't blame you guys, everyone needs something to help them sleep better. Did Hirasaka confirm a Sena end in a private message or something? Just wondering..... BTW, for me, Yozora is the girl he ends up with. How? Because that is how I interpret this open ending. And that can be said for ANY of the 7 girls in the club. Whatever you want to be canon, will be canon. That's how an open ending works. |
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Zulkir said: Finally got my hands on it and read it. What can I say... Hirasaka-sensei promised us a volume-length epilogue and he brought us a volume-length epilogue. The only problem being the "ending" of the previous volume, for which this "epilogue" is made. I don't know how much I am different from the general fanbase, but it felt really strange that Kodaka dated for a whole year with a character that was a boy for 4.5 volumes and even after "becoming" a girl did little to nothing to help the reader (me) to treat her as such. Also, this volume was so different in composition from the previous ones that it didn't feel like Haganai. The desire to fit a whole year into one volume made the story too shallow and "piecewise". At first, it was funny (I laughed at the Valentine's Day chapter). But then I found out that most of the chapters are like the Valentine's Day one... :( This "shallowness" of the story made characters feel "shallow" too, and their actions hard to believe. Especially in cases of Rika (who suddenly turned into an idealist from a realist she has always been. To the point that Yukimura sounded like Archer from F/sn UBW on that sound recording o_O) and Sena (who was completely disregarded by Kodaka, but said "that's ok, I will get what I want with my own hands", then did nothing for a year, then did nothing for three months, then said "I will get what I want with my own hands" again, applied to the same University as Kodaka... and apparently will do nothing. Does she love him still? I hope not. Kodaka does not deserve her.) Of course, it can be seen as somehow ok, since it is "just a long epilogue". But was there no better choice? But having said all that, I still love Haganai as a whole with all my heart. It gave me so much, from tons of enjoyment to confidence in Japanese reading (it was my first light novel that I could read without looking into dictionary every 10 minutes). I also still admire Hirasaka-sensei's writing style and sense of humour, and will continue reading his other works. It was a great journey and I have absolutely no regret of having read all the volumes of Boku wa Tomodachi ga Sukunai. I will miss it. P.S. I am curious about several things from your opinions. - What girls were you, guys, supporting and why? I was equally hoping for either Sena-end or Rika-end. (And secretly admiring Kobato :P) Both Sena and Rika have that characteristic that "They know what they want, they know what they must do to achieve it, they can do it, they are not bent by other's envy". Those are the things that many characters (and real people, lol) nowadays really lack, and it was always pleasure to read about the two. Actually, Sena's monologue near the end of volume "10" looked so much alike to John Galt's monologue from "Atlas Shrugged" that I couldn't stop laughing and praising Hirasaka-sensei, until... well... the disaster. - Those of you who are already reading Imouto Sae Ireba Ii, does it really continues the ideals of Haganai in a better way? (I still have 9 volumes of Monogatari to finish before I can allow myself to start a new LN series :P) - Was there anyone among you, who actually liked the ending of the volume 10? :)) - Can you suggest me other LNs that are as easy-to-read (in Japanese), filled with humour, but also have noticable character development and are touching complex topics? P.P.S. Sorry for writing this wall of text. I spent the whole day reading this final volume in one go, and just want my thoughts to be heard by someone. :)) Based on what you said about Sena and Rika, is it bad for people to have a lacking of a certain characteristic? |
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Takuan_Soho said: Kirigaro92 said: You are one of the few (I have read about 10 other people) of thousands who are actually fine with this. Good for you. I really hate it. Well I was fine with 10 as well. While I would have loved to have Kousaka get NTRed by Yukimura, sort of a bad end for the reverse gender galge this show was, that the writer went for a happy end instead was not bad. There was some pretty good humor in the book: I understood Yozora but to say he didn't feel like he had feelings for Rika, why did he say "It is not just Sena but I also have feelings for Rika " or something along those lines? |
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| Great... I was actually hoping for a season 3, but after reading this, screw that. I'll take my money somewhere else. |
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kandiiyuutaamu said: Zulkir said: Finally got my hands on it and read it. What can I say... Hirasaka-sensei promised us a volume-length epilogue and he brought us a volume-length epilogue. The only problem being the "ending" of the previous volume, for which this "epilogue" is made. I don't know how much I am different from the general fanbase, but it felt really strange that Kodaka dated for a whole year with a character that was a boy for 4.5 volumes and even after "becoming" a girl did little to nothing to help the reader (me) to treat her as such. Also, this volume was so different in composition from the previous ones that it didn't feel like Haganai. The desire to fit a whole year into one volume made the story too shallow and "piecewise". At first, it was funny (I laughed at the Valentine's Day chapter). But then I found out that most of the chapters are like the Valentine's Day one... :( This "shallowness" of the story made characters feel "shallow" too, and their actions hard to believe. Especially in cases of Rika (who suddenly turned into an idealist from a realist she has always been. To the point that Yukimura sounded like Archer from F/sn UBW on that sound recording o_O) and Sena (who was completely disregarded by Kodaka, but said "that's ok, I will get what I want with my own hands", then did nothing for a year, then did nothing for three months, then said "I will get what I want with my own hands" again, applied to the same University as Kodaka... and apparently will do nothing. Does she love him still? I hope not. Kodaka does not deserve her.) Of course, it can be seen as somehow ok, since it is "just a long epilogue". But was there no better choice? But having said all that, I still love Haganai as a whole with all my heart. It gave me so much, from tons of enjoyment to confidence in Japanese reading (it was my first light novel that I could read without looking into dictionary every 10 minutes). I also still admire Hirasaka-sensei's writing style and sense of humour, and will continue reading his other works. It was a great journey and I have absolutely no regret of having read all the volumes of Boku wa Tomodachi ga Sukunai. I will miss it. P.S. I am curious about several things from your opinions. - What girls were you, guys, supporting and why? I was equally hoping for either Sena-end or Rika-end. (And secretly admiring Kobato :P) Both Sena and Rika have that characteristic that "They know what they want, they know what they must do to achieve it, they can do it, they are not bent by other's envy". Those are the things that many characters (and real people, lol) nowadays really lack, and it was always pleasure to read about the two. Actually, Sena's monologue near the end of volume "10" looked so much alike to John Galt's monologue from "Atlas Shrugged" that I couldn't stop laughing and praising Hirasaka-sensei, until... well... the disaster. - Those of you who are already reading Imouto Sae Ireba Ii, does it really continues the ideals of Haganai in a better way? (I still have 9 volumes of Monogatari to finish before I can allow myself to start a new LN series :P) - Was there anyone among you, who actually liked the ending of the volume 10? :)) - Can you suggest me other LNs that are as easy-to-read (in Japanese), filled with humour, but also have noticable character development and are touching complex topics? P.P.S. Sorry for writing this wall of text. I spent the whole day reading this final volume in one go, and just want my thoughts to be heard by someone. :)) Based on what you said about Sena and Rika, is it bad for people to have a lacking of a certain characteristic? I am sorry for having stopped watching this thread after a month of my post, but could you please still explain what you mean? It sounds interesting. :) |
| Anyone know where I can find vol.10 or vol.11 in English, I can't seem to find it anywhere. |
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| To those that want to read vol 10 or 11 in english, there has been a DMCA notice brought to Baka-tsuki and other LN translations sights to stop their efforts or they're gonna get lawyered. So Haganai and other series have been taken down. No english translations unless someone does it and wants to share. |
 I go where I wanna go, even if its into Oppai. |
| What the hell with that ending ??? Japaneses are really bad when it comes to put an end to their stories seriously... I can't understand how it's possible to accept or even write something like that... Usually when you write a story, you should have an idea about how to end it, but it does not look like the author does. Thanks for the guys who summed it up. But now I know I won't buy it. |
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| I heard all this was a prologue or something. So it isn't over yet right? |
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ichii_1 said: I heard all this was a prologue or something. So it isn't over yet right? No, it was an epilogue. So it's over. :P |
Erika___ said: WHAT THE FUCK! WHAT ABOUT MY SENA????! Even her name didn't appear on those spoilers </3 Screw Meat....... |
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| The question is: Does Sena win? I've only watched the anime so I have no clue after that cliffhanger ending. |
| “Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return. To obtain, something of equal value must be lost. That is alchemy's first law of Equivalent Exchange. In those days, we really believed that to be the world's one, and only, truth. But the world isn't perfect, and the law is incomplete..." -Alphonse Elric "Then and now, what I protect has never changed!" -Sakata Gintoki I'll take anything like The Pet Girl of Sakurasou. Anything as good as that. |
Takuan_Soho said: Kirigaro92 said: Not in the least bit, Pegasus is not a homosexual either. Now the writer didn't specifically say this, which is why the whiners are whining because frankly they are too stupid to get it (this is not directed at you, I know the sites you are quoting, they are the ones at fault), but it is pretty clear that this was the result. It was the typical understated way of Japanese writing, the points are there, but the connections are left to the reader to make. Now the points are as follows: the "winner" is the one who attends the same school as Kodaka and is also the only one whose future was not alluded to by Kodaka (since she is with him). THANK YOU SO MUCH. |
| After reading some of volume 9 and the summaries of what happens afterwards, I deeply regret going further than NEXT's last episode. My head hurts now. I almost don't want to read Oregairu's LN thanks to this. |
SJ7izmAug 24, 2016 10:01 PM
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| What a pathetic ending lmao author should be ashamed of himself like wow XD I don't blame the people involved with the anime for not making a third season. |
| Wow, another series where I say fuck the shitty story to hell and go for fanfiction and doujins. |
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| Well atleast i can take Sena to myself, thank you very much |
SJ7izm said: After reading some of volume 9 and the summaries of what happens afterwards, I deeply regret going further than NEXT's last episode. My head hurts now. I almost don't want to read Oregairu's LN thanks to this. Oregairu is my favorite series but it will end up as the same fate as Haganai did. It's going suck. |
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| terrible ending. just terrible |
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