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Amberleh said: Similar to this, what I don't understand is why Kyouya is so hated, yet his bitchy female equivalents from other animes are so loved, when they're just as bad if not worse due to the physical abuse they give the male MCs. Kyouya deserves the negativity he gets due to his behaviour, but it shouldn't be any more acceptable when a girl behaves the same way.This series will never not piss me off. It's just... It's so demeaning, sexist, and just gross and young girls are watching this shit. It's that one series I watch every week to rage at. And it really bothers me that so many girls 'otp' the main pair. Sorry to anyone who likes this series but I see girls who on one hand hate abusive pairings in other shows love this pairing and I can't understand WHY. I see the excuse 'well he's nicer to her later on!" I also see girls say "AWW I WANT A ROMANCE LIKE THIS" Someone please, seriously, explain this logic to me. Because I cannot comprehend this. |
Madara31 said: Amberleh said: Similar to this, what I don't understand is why Kyouya is so hated, yet his bitchy female equivalents from other animes are so loved, when they're just as bad if not worse due to the physical abuse they give the male MCs. Kyouya deserves the negativity he gets due to his behaviour, but it shouldn't be any more acceptable when a girl behaves the same way.This series will never not piss me off. It's just... It's so demeaning, sexist, and just gross and young girls are watching this shit. It's that one series I watch every week to rage at. And it really bothers me that so many girls 'otp' the main pair. Sorry to anyone who likes this series but I see girls who on one hand hate abusive pairings in other shows love this pairing and I can't understand WHY. I see the excuse 'well he's nicer to her later on!" I also see girls say "AWW I WANT A ROMANCE LIKE THIS" Someone please, seriously, explain this logic to me. Because I cannot comprehend this. Some of you believe not only yourselves but someone else also should act along with your professed way of acting because, for you, it is not your personal faith but a universal rule. It is rather natural for you not to think it may be just an imagination, a prejudice, or just a stated principle especially when it is very important to you. I don't complain about it. You can say "that is what it should be..." anytime you believe it. By the way, I'm sure Kyoya and Erika keep acting their roles, a sadist and a masochist because that is comfortable for both of them. But, they already know that she can dump him whenever she makes the decision and he is mentally depending on her. There are many girls around him he doesn't trust and he has to act a nice person to protect himself no matter how he feels it annoying; there is only one girl whom he doesn't have to hide his true self and feels relaxed with. He couldn't pretend to be as nice to girls as he used to be after he lost her. The rule of the game between them has changed completely before they knew it. That's why she could say to him, "I'll let you be my real boyfriend." Surely, Kyoya and Erika are still an S and an M. One is a proud and beautiful Slave who cannot find comfort in his own self-confidence and the other is his female owner, namely the Mistress, who gives him it dotingly.  |
htsujiNov 19, 2014 1:43 AM
| I thought Erika was accept Kusakabe feeling toward her. But actually that's not happen! I'm so glad that Erika STILL love DAT sadistic prince. Way to go Erika. I was disappoint at first. But, when fangirl scene show up i was...KYAHHH(sry...can't help intense fangirl natural instinct)~...Kusakabe guy..he's the man..i appreciate him more in this eps..and also DAT tsundere Kyouya anyway lol so i'll give this week episode 7/10, exception for kissing scene i decide to give it: 9/10 look forward next episode btw.. |
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Madara31 said: Amberleh said: Similar to this, what I don't understand is why Kyouya is so hated, yet his bitchy female equivalents from other animes are so loved, when they're just as bad if not worse due to the physical abuse they give the male MCs. Kyouya deserves the negativity he gets due to his behaviour, but it shouldn't be any more acceptable when a girl behaves the same way.This series will never not piss me off. It's just... It's so demeaning, sexist, and just gross and young girls are watching this shit. It's that one series I watch every week to rage at. And it really bothers me that so many girls 'otp' the main pair. Sorry to anyone who likes this series but I see girls who on one hand hate abusive pairings in other shows love this pairing and I can't understand WHY. I see the excuse 'well he's nicer to her later on!" I also see girls say "AWW I WANT A ROMANCE LIKE THIS" Someone please, seriously, explain this logic to me. Because I cannot comprehend this. If you are insinuating that I enjoy garbage like Zero no Tsukimia and other crap with overly tsundere main heroines, you would be quite wrong. I despise harems (not reverse harems, though many of those like Diabolic Lovers are also garbage and gross) and I hate ALL abusive characters. @htsuji Except the pairing you described isn't Kyouka and Erika. Erika frequently talks about how upset she is by Kyouka's actions, tries to leave him twice, and both times he says one tiny nice thing that doesn't even close to make up for all the abusive shit he's said she forgives him and falls in love with him all over again. You have to remember this is being marketed at teenage girls. This is a message to teenage girls AND BOYS. Do you understand how unhealthy this is? What kind of ideas this crap is giving young people? This is not a sadist and masochist relationship. This is a classic abusive manipulative relationship, this is seriously a textbook case it's so disturbing. And it's portrayed as a comedy. |
| I really don't like the decision of Erika to return with Kyoya. Yes, the guy changed his mind... but it was really fast the return of the main couple. Erika is really an annoying person. |
| Kyouya is finally getting more open with his feelings towards Erika, there's still a lot of progress before him though. Also thank goodness that the manga Kyouya is a normal guy |
Amberleh said: Don't worry I wasn't implying that, It's just that your comment on why girls would hate abusive pairings in other shows and yet love this pairing, reminded me of how people can hate on Kyouya and yet love his female equivalents.Madara31 said: Similar to this, what I don't understand is why Kyouya is so hated, yet his bitchy female equivalents from other animes are so loved, when they're just as bad if not worse due to the physical abuse they give the male MCs. Kyouya deserves the negativity he gets due to his behaviour, but it shouldn't be any more acceptable when a girl behaves the same way. If you are insinuating that I enjoy garbage like Zero no Tsukimia and other crap with overly tsundere main heroines, you would be quite wrong. I despise harems (not reverse harems, though many of those like Diabolic Lovers are also garbage and gross) and I hate ALL abusive characters. |
Amberleh said: This is a story of a game of love. She was tricked many times and decided to use the final weapon this time not to win the game but to end it. And then, he surrendered.@htsuji Except the pairing you described isn't Kyouka and Erika. Erika frequently talks about how upset she is by Kyouka's actions, tries to leave him twice, and both times he says one tiny nice thing that doesn't even close to make up for all the abusive shit he's said she forgives him and falls in love with him all over again. He didn't admit it but Kyoya's actual feelings were as follows: Amberleh said: So, you are watching this show not because you enjoy it but because you are a self-designated inspector to decide if each show is good or bad for teenagers so as to instruct them what is they should or should not watch, aren't you?You have to remember this is being marketed at teenage girls. This is a message to teenage girls AND BOYS. I usually don't care whether a certain show is good or bad for education. I'm nothing but a common person in the audience and don't like to waste my time to inspect a show that I hate. I just drop it. I even don't spare time for posting a negative comment. As for the BOYS, they don't believe they can manipulate a girl as well as Kyoya. In addition to that, if some stupid boy tried it, then he would be just dumped. Amberleh said: I knew. See also my earlier posts.This is a classic abusive manipulative relationship, this is seriously a textbook case it's so disturbing. And it's portrayed as a comedy. http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1283421&show=80#msg34960507 http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1287527&show=80#msg35208327 I have a feeling now you hate not only the show but also the young boys and girls who love it. That is okay. It is, however, impossible for you to educate those whom you hate. All you can do is a kind of threat or attack, which cannot be a good guide or any other educationally-effective actions. Ironically, it seems to me your act is one of the typical ways when abusive people try to manipulate someone who doesn't agree with them. |
htsujiNov 19, 2014 8:29 PM
| Oh my goodness... Can we have just one episode discussion thread without flame wars and bashing on this show for having "misogyny"? If you people are so against this kind of S/M relationship, there's nothing stopping you from dropping it. |
| Cute episode. But to be honest imo the show could of ended with this episode, the build up till they finally are together. |
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htsuji said: By the way, the reason I love the show from the view point of Erika (I'm not a teenage girl, though) is chiefly because my personality has a mixture of Erika and Kyoya's imperfectness. I would be really happy if I found a master much superior to me and would willingly become a dog for him or her. But, the truth is cruel. My psychiatrist used to say there is no such an ideal person for me to dedicate my life to in the real world. *sigh* Since no one is perfect, I accepted it reluctantly. But even the more painful thing to me is that I met many people who would like to be my dog I had to take care of, which makes me to feel considerable sympathy for Kyoya. No kidding. Because a person like that in the real world would take things too far. You can have fantasies all you want, but in reality that is an abusive relationship. You have control over a fantasy, you do not have control over reality. I am sad to hear that you feel that way, I do not know what past relationships, if any, you have had, or what in your childhood could have lead to this. I don't want to say you need to change your standards, people cannot change overnight, but perhaps if you are just inexperienced in relationships you just need to experience a few. If you have experienced relationships, however, and this is what you want, then I don't know what to say. As someone who is engaged to my boyfriend of 6 years, and will probably be getting married in a year or so, I can't understand that kind of logic. He and I are equals in every way- Even height! Neither one of us is the 'dominant' or 'wears the pants'. We are both completely equal in every sense of the world. Not that your point of view is invalid, but rather I am simply saying that I am very very different so it's hard for me to comprehend. If this show actually resonates with you on a personal level, then that's different, and I can sympathize more with why you in particular would have an attachment to this show. However it concerns me that young women who I mentor, who hate abusive pairings such as, for example, Korra x Mako from Avatar or Sakura x Sasuke from Naruto (I am not trying to start arguments over these ships just laying out some background info), somehow love this pairing in this show. And I can't understand why. These are the same girls who complain about misogyny, the sexism, make 'not all men' jabs, etc. And, may I also add, that just because the show DOES resonate with you, that does not mean it's not sexist, misogynistic, or just plain offensive. I do understand that you have a different sort of attachment to it than most, but overall the show is still VERY problematic for the majority. On that note though, I'd like to suggest Honey x Honey drops to you if you want more of these manga. I happened to stumble upon it a while back. There's not much of an anime, just an OVA, but there is a manga. It may be up your alley, though it's far more abusive than even Wolf Girl. |
Amberleh said: On that note though, I'd like to suggest Honey x Honey drops to you if you want more of these manga. I happened to stumble upon it a while back. There's not much of an anime, just an OVA, but there is a manga. It may be up your alley, though it's far more abusive than even Wolf Girl. Honey x Honey Drops is horrible. Don't even compare that trash with this. |
 Couldn't stop laughing at this aha |
| The kiss happened way too early for a shoujo anime! lol it always happens in the last episode hehe |
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| Wow Kyouya confessing made me blush too^^ I didn't feel the same emotions when reading the manga... Anyway a great episode and Kusakabe is a really really nice guy T_T |
bittersweetlove said: The kiss happened way too early for a shoujo anime! lol it always happens in the last episode hehe bruh fall 2012 anime triple shoujo (tonari no kaibutsu, sukitte ii na yo, kamisama hajime) all had a kiss in the first episode LOL |
| Poor Kusakabe, he was just... too sweet. A bit like when you put too much sugar into something, it might lose its flavor. Well, Kusakabe is a bit like that. He's so sweet that he make romance lose its interest. Not that a romance with someone sweet is impossible, it's just that Kusakabe is on another level. The kind of level where he will accept everything that will happen, only because he's a good guy. To add to that, he seem to pity himself a lot, so that tend to push off people. Anyway, I think he was an interest representation of people having some social problems at highschool. Kyoya is such a tsundere, gosh! ''Well, in general society, they'd usually call it love. Right?'' Damn, bro, just say it for fuck sake! Well, no, it would kinda break his character, but he's such a moody character... Oh well, time may change him. Takeru is at it again. If he wasn't there, I think Erika would have suicided herself by now. I'm glad with the devellopement Erika had. Even if she returned toward Kyoya, again, I think that she matured a lot. It take a lot of courage to admit you lied during all that time to your ''friends''. The fear of being judged, the fear of being the center of rumors. I'm kind of impressed by that. The other thing was that she was a lot more affirmative in this episode. She just didn't crack under Kyoya pressure and manipulation. She was able to stand against him and not look ridiculous. Anyway, I think it was a good episode. Let's see how far their abusive relationship will lead them. Seriously, I hope Kyoya can solve his manipulative behaviors of him, he can be such a horrible human bean being. |
| «Time is passing so quickly. Right now, I feel like complaining to Einstein. Whether time is slow or fast depends on perception. Relativity theory is so romantic. And so sad.» - Kurisu Makise a.k.a. The Zombie |
| Wow that was funny and heart-warming. And sad...Kusakabe's such a good man. He deserved better. |
| Kyoya goes tsundere but dare he let it show. Entertaining confession nonetheless. Kusakabe deserves better and its nice that Erika admits. |
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| Kyouya is acting like a girl. Expecting Erica to know what he feels x) Please me more honest with your feelings Kyouya. But i'm glad that he finally confessed! And poor Kusakabe ; u ; He was a really shy kid, but he still had more guts then Kyouya. |
| wtf this show isn't even that good, but then why am i loving it so much?! <3 |
| 八雲立つ 出雲八重垣 妻籠みに 八重垣作る その八重垣を |
| Erika's voice in this episode was rather annoying. Well anyways, at least their love is mutual. |
"I have been wielding a blade since before your were swimming around your father's scrotum." - Kurou |
| Whaaaaaaaaaaaat? That came way sooner than expected. "Real" relationship after just 7 episodes? That's impossible. What are they going to show the next 5 episodes? Sure this isn't an usual anime but still usually that point is the season final. Even with that story they can't fill so many episodes with just Kyouya changing the way he treats Erika. At least Kusakabe wasn't hurt that much. He is too nice for this anime. |
| smh @ that kiss. was that supposed to be cute |
| Well, I'm happy that she was sincere and ended it all in the right time, unlike a lot of female protagonists. She loves Kyouya and she knows it. I'm happy that the obvious pairing came fast and they didn't drag it too much. and Kyouya is just a tsundere. A freaking cute tsundere >v< |
DeskachanNov 24, 2014 4:14 PM
| I thought the first kiss was kinda cute, but Dgkjbbrfdfkljdzbflkzjsbdfzkjabdsfdzkjbrf. *frustrated grumbles* This fucking anime. |
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| Still loving this anime, but god damn....it's like they are trying to give the message: Don't worry girls if your man treats you like shit, eventually he will treat you slightly less like shit if you just take his punishment for a while..... (still happy they finally kissed though) |
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bloodymeadow said: I can't follow this anime well, everything is happening way too fast no matter what he does to her she will come back even if he killed her she will come back to him (somehow) as a ghost i'm sure of it. lol. best comment ever. I don't know how to feel either. Takeru needs to be in this more. |
| Oh snap! That ending <3 I totally didn't expect that but it was lovely :3 Pretty interesting development all in all! Let's see what happens next. Ūpārūpā~ <-- that's sure is a great name for such a special creature! |
RafaelDeJonghJan 7, 2015 2:52 PM
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| Erika needs to have her head examined. Maybe Kusakabe wasn't the one for her, but I still wouldn't go anywhere near that jackass again. Sent with Mal Updater |
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| typical girls always go for bad boys and nice guys always finish last because they're predictable and boring as fuck storyline if i was a chick i'd never go near that phaggot kid and the blonde dude (no homo) takeru ftmfw this should probably be last EP i don't really care about their shitty interaction anymore tbh female viewers will eat this shit up with all the kissing bs and get all wet because they have no fucking logic of how shitty these characters really are can't blame 'em though... |
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| ... He said he would treasure her. Stop using that dog thing all the time then :/ |
| bye bye ouji,,huh so now erika try to fall for kusakabe,If I were you I prefer the boy who really loves me* btw,good ending,finally kyoya realize/admits that he also like erika!!^_^ |
| It was cute to see Kyouya all flustered while confessing his love... :3 |
| I guess it should be a good thing that Erika's romance with Kyouya is developing into something more but I'm so suspicious of it all.Kyouya's so contrary.First he makes it seem as if love is such a bother and therefore he's not interested in such things and by extension,Erika.He even implied that Erika was someone he was passing time with and her presence/absence wouldn't have mattered to him.Now all of a sudden he's confessing romantic sentiments??? Wasn't he the one that said he'd never do that?.So I expect the other shoe to drop some time in the future. Even if Kyouya's confession is true,I can't imagine he'll be nicer to her anyways so it'll pretty much end up with Erika getting hurt again.Oh well, she signed up for it so I can't really say I sympathize. |
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| Kurasabe = F R I E N D Z O N E D Poor him. He's such a nice guy. But finally! Kyouya-kun got Erika back. When he kissed her I almost fainted, and the moment she kissed him back I was like... OH MY GOSH, OH MY GOSH. <3 Erika is the pure definition of being a masochist, while Kyouya, on the other hand, is a tsundere dude while being way too sadistic. Yet I still ship them and love seeing them together. I'm wondering if there's a couple like that in real life... |
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| Kusakabe is cute but in an annoying way. This episode was good, and I liked the ending, omg I'm so in love with Kyouya. |
| Yeah, Kusakabe needs a better girl than Erika. He's such a sweetie pie :} She don't deserve him. |
| ohmy... I cried so hard when he came to get her :'( |
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| Poor Kusakabe.. I get the feeling he will become an ouji like Kyouya though, by changing his hair style like Erika told before. |
| WTF is wrong with these characters? |
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