Active Raid: Kidou Kyoushuushitsu Dai Hachi Gakari Episode 2 Discussion

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Jan 14, 2016 5:24 AM

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The episode felt kind of all over the place although I have to admit, their police vehicles has a neat look to it.

I think each episode has a similar gag to it - case, execution, resolution. It's just this time, we got Kagari taking the action in her flashy suit. Quite the technology. I'm still not sold on this show yet but maybe something big will develop soon.

Jan 14, 2016 7:30 AM

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Definitely a very Super Sentai/Kamen Rider-like formula they are going with here. Which is what the audience should acknowledge at this point.

Looks like there will be mostly episodic plots for a while, which is also rather typical of that Japanese superhero genre and older anime series.

On the one hand, this time the pacing was a lot slower and more structured. Less gags, though still a fair amount of them. On the other, it's clear they aren't exactly working with a ton of resources here. Still nothing more than a lighthearted distraction that folks shouldn't take too seriously.

Jan 14, 2016 7:34 AM

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jgomezg said:
Definitely a very Super Sentai/Kamen Rider-like formula they are going with here. Which is what the audience should acknowledge at this point.

Looks like there will be mostly episodic plots for a while, which is also rather typical of that Japanese superhero genre and older anime series.

On the one hand, this time the pacing was a lot slower and more structured. Less gags, though still a fair amount of them. On the other, it's clear they aren't exactly working with a ton of resources here. Still nothing more than a lighthearted distraction that folks shouldn't take too seriously.

wow this is the most accurate statement I've read in any episode discussion

however i do enjoy the pacing.

Jan 14, 2016 8:00 AM

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The only thing that makes me curious is that TV "AI-App" or whatever it is. Because I WANT one of those too.

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Jan 14, 2016 8:03 AM

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I couldn't agree more

The characterization in this episode was a little better too and Kagari actually was a lot not better in this one imo (She has a nice ass too lol)

I really liked seeing that she's also going to be fighting out in the field so I was happy to see that and impressed by her skills (Although she still has a few issues that she needs to sort out

Also I was really surprised by the beginning scene with the chief's sister because I could have sworn that it was her but then the body caught caught off guard so when I saw that it was her sister (Little sister at that like wtf xD) I was like OHHHHHHHHHH lol

In short, I liked this episode a lot more than the first and I must say that those news people are a bunch of hypocritical retards....Action was pretty good too

Jan 14, 2016 8:47 AM

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One things i love the most from this episode
none of team 8 are Shounen headed, they are really adult thinking
if we have the usual generic high school boy he may will idiotic rush into the scene to help Kagari and make the cliche miracle

Jan 14, 2016 9:01 AM

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So what I'm getting from this ep is that this is a series not to take super serious. Just a fun "power ranger" like show to have fun with. I like this so far.

Jan 14, 2016 9:13 AM

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Power Ranger anime version

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Jan 14, 2016 9:45 AM

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I was hoping it would get better. I was let down.

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Jan 14, 2016 9:56 AM

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it was pretty fun.

Jan 14, 2016 10:13 AM

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This time we got Kagari taking action in her suit!

Jan 14, 2016 10:23 AM

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Dropping next episode,clearly ain't going to go anywhere special (plus this has a second split cour so more reason to drop).

If I want to watch a more likely guaranteed good anime with police and mecha concept I'll watch Mobile Police Patlabor instead.

Jan 14, 2016 10:38 AM

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Of course, Patlabor was a better show, but it also didn't have an ongoing plot most of the time. A lot of nonsense antics still made up the majority of the series (with exceptions that only prove the general rule). Only very few of the Patlabor OVAs, plus the two major movies, had any stories with high stakes.

The world would be a great place if so many people did actually watch Patlabor though. But I have a feeling that won't exactly get more popular or anything.

Jan 14, 2016 11:24 AM

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Wow, that was a good episode.

Jan 14, 2016 11:44 AM

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Felt more like a magical girl show than anything. Bit of fanservice, no laughs, little action, ridiculous story. Meh.

Jan 14, 2016 11:55 AM

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jgomezg said:
Of course, Patlabor was a better show, but it also didn't have an ongoing plot most of the time. A lot of nonsense antics still made up the majority of the series (with exceptions that only prove the general rule). Only very few of the Patlabor OVAs, plus the two major movies, had any stories with high stakes.

The world would be a great place if so many people did actually watch Patlabor though. But I have a feeling that won't exactly get more popular or anything.

Well it is nearly 30 years old, but it has held up extremely well over those 30 years one must say. There isn't too much in it that really seems out of date, which is amazing for such a series.

The problem with comparing the nonsenese antics of Patlabor with this show is that when Patlabor did it it was funny, "civil war" or the "horror of the conbi" or of course "the terror in the sewers" (both of them) also were actual stories, episodic yes, but still consistent with the characters and contained multiple jokes all the way up to the conclusion.

Comparing this horrible show (it isn't even good Kamen Rider) to anything insults the comparison show. This show is just bad, it is a mash of too many shows with no attempt to do anything original.

The only good thing for it has been female character designs.

Jan 14, 2016 12:00 PM

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Takuan_Soho said:

Well it is nearly 30 years old, but it has held up extremely well over those 30 years one must say. There isn't too much in it that really seems out of date, which is amazing for such a series.

Someone needs to get on subbing "The Next Generation Patlabor."

Jan 14, 2016 12:17 PM

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Very much agreed. I enjoyed this episode more than the first one, but still, at most this series feels like it will just be a nice little distraction.

Jan 14, 2016 12:34 PM

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Between the Engrish and circus music, I can't tell if this show is even trying to do anything besides being stupid. Nice booty on the main girl, though.

Jan 14, 2016 12:49 PM

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CrotakuShinobi said:
Power Ranger anime version

More like Super Sentai Police Force.

And I thought this episode was fun. It's clearly not a super serious show, but that hardly makes it bad imo.

Jan 14, 2016 1:00 PM

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I kept hearing Star Trek sound effects... was I just tried or... -_-"

Jan 14, 2016 1:16 PM

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Jan 14, 2016 1:30 PM

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Is Goro Taniguchi really directing Active Raid? Normally his projects are a lot more interesting than this.

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Jan 14, 2016 1:35 PM

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Well just as bad as last week and the fan service wasn't able to make up for it.
The main character needs some work and so do many of the other characters, so far this is a failed Rail Wars clone which wasn't a good anime to start with.

Jan 14, 2016 1:36 PM

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it's so boring!!!

Jan 14, 2016 1:44 PM

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better than last episode. cg fight looked better

was alright

this series is seriously missing some cachy themes for each character to go with the transformation sequence and fights

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Jan 14, 2016 1:52 PM

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Dat ass though. In all seriousness this show is decent so far big, Im a Kamen Rider fan so ill just pretend this is anime kr for now.

Jan 14, 2016 2:17 PM

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Takuan_Soho said:

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I wasn't really making an emphasis on the Patlabor comparison though. But even so, it's worth pointing out that started as a higher budget OVA production.

Again, there is no ruling authority in the world who can determine what is or isn't funny. We don't have the same sense of humor, so it's pointless to argue.

But I will challenge your point on the characters, since the second episode did provide Rin and Asami with extra characterization and wasn't going as fast as the first episode. Which is all a good thing as far as I am concerned. That said, I can tell you're not going to like this, no matter what happens.

Farabeuf said:
Is Goro Taniguchi really directing Active Raid? Normally his projects are a lot more interesting than this.

He literally said this wasn't going to be like his other productions. In any case, there are interesting details to be found, just in very small doses.

Aversa said:
Well just as bad as last week and the fan service wasn't able to make up for it.
The main character needs some work and so do many of the other characters, so far this is a failed Rail Wars clone which wasn't a good anime to start with.

Actually, I liked how the fanservice wasn't very excessive, so this isn't trying to be an ecchi anime. Plus I'd argue some of the characters are starting to gradually improve. There was a nice confrontation between the idealism of the rookie and Rin's more professional attitude about cops being public servants but not technically superheroes.

Either way, it's all up to your preference. I still disagree with the rest of your comparison though. It's too superficial. For instance, there isn't an idealization of police work here. This series is quite lighthearted in tone, sure, but there are various consequences and criticisms involved. That contrasts with the show you're speaking about, which didn't go into such topics and was full of fanservice around every corner. But I suspect we'll never agree about this.

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Jan 14, 2016 2:25 PM

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fuck that 3 episode rule, i'm dropping this.

Jan 14, 2016 2:35 PM

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it was meh at best the ction cg is not that great

Jan 14, 2016 2:59 PM

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I can understand the hate for the 1st episode, but really, what's wrong with this episode. It's a well paced episode, a little case to build up some characters. Overall, I would say this is a good episode.

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Jan 14, 2016 3:02 PM

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Mascera said:
The only thing that makes me curious is that TV "AI-App" or whatever it is. Because I WANT one of those too.

I want that too...

Jan 14, 2016 3:37 PM

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I think that the biggest fault with this show is the whole mecha police thing and the production team line up doesn't make apparently clear how few shits they actually give.

Jan 14, 2016 3:52 PM

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jgomezg said:
But even so, it's worth pointing out that started as a higher budget OVA production.

Why? Money /= quality.

jgomezg said:
Again, there is no ruling authority in the world who can determine what is or isn't funny. We don't have the same sense of humor, so it's pointless to argue.

Sure there are rules, and yes one can argue. I can explain why something is funny, what one cannot do is to prove that something isn't funny because one cannot prove a negative. But anyone should be able to explain why something is funny. It just requires a little thought.

jgomezg said:
But I will challenge your point on the characters, since the second episode did provide Rin and Asami with extra characterization and wasn't going as fast as the first episode.

So you are arguing that it succeeded in being a bit better than the first episode? Talk about the soft bigotry of low expectations (if you want to know the unintended irony in your statement, you should read my complaint from last week - even no movement would have been an improvement).

jgomezg said:
That said, I can tell you're not going to like this, no matter what happens.

For someone who demands that people respect your relative opinion, you certainly become absolute when people don't agree with you.

I have nothing vested in this show, if it becomes funny, clever, original, or whatever I will be happy to say it if the time comes. I like the MC character design and the art of the show is decent, for me its merely the question of the story.

Jan 14, 2016 4:25 PM

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Why? Money /= quality.

In theory, of course, but in practice it's very hard to produce a lot of high quality artwork and animate it without a lot of money.

Money buys you both better animators in terms of skill as well as a greater number of them. Low budget shows won't look nearly as good as high budget ones. This applies to anime series as well as live action productions.

I believe that explaining jokes tends to make them less funny though. Very few people are good at properly explaining humor to others. For that matter, does everyone you know in real life laugh at exactly the same things in the firs tplace? No, they probably don't.

So you are arguing that it succeeded in being a bit better than the first episode? Talk about the soft bigotry of low expectations

Bigotry? Well, that's a totally unnecessary term in this discussion. It's kind of oddly amusing to see you actually felt the need to put it that way. There are certainly far better methods of showing disagreement and debating without such expressions.

There's nothing wrong with having appropriate expectations for what you are watching at any given time. If I wanted to see a complex and mature story, I wouldn't be watching this. I honestly didn't hate the first episode, so we are starting from two separate perspectives.

For someone who demands that people respect your relative opinion, you certainly become absolute when people don't agree with you.

Sorry, I guess? I didn't insult you, so that's different from indirectly calling other people "bigots" like you've just done with me here. I am simply acknowledging your position has not changed and is very unlikely to do so. Not impossible, if you want me to be completely fair, but very difficult.

I have nothing vested in this show, if it becomes funny, clever, original, or whatever I will be happy to say it if the time comes. I like the MC character design and the art of the show is decent, for me its merely the question of the story.

Personal opinions on the other issues aside, it probably won't have a very complex and sophisticated story.

Jan 14, 2016 4:29 PM

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What was even going on in this episode? I think I have to watch it again because I'm lost.

So far this anime seems like a poor mix of Tiger & Bunny and Psycho Pass. Those aren't two shows that should be mixed, tbh. Raid can still turn out to be a good anime but it's off to a rocky start

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Jan 14, 2016 4:41 PM

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I guess this was an alright episode, I was able to watch it somehow. Hopefully the plot will begin to develop soon otherwise I probably will drop it after a few more episodes.

Jan 14, 2016 5:09 PM

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Okay episode. It's at a much more decent pace than before and Kagari's role has elevated to actually getting in the action. Feels like it's lacking a few things.

Jan 14, 2016 5:22 PM

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meh. I'm Dropping.

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Jan 14, 2016 5:26 PM

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it was hmmm so-so. it was nice that the female got a chance in the action. her random engrish doe...pls no more.
im hoping she'll go through some immense char development and turn out badass like akane in psycho pass did
i guess ill give it a few more eps

Jan 14, 2016 5:35 PM

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jgomezg said:
but in practice it's very hard to produce a lot of high quality artwork and animate it without a lot of money.

I have not criticized the art, so your entire discussion is a non sequiter.

jgomezg said:
I believe that explaining jokes tends to make them less funny though.

That is a mistaken belief. A joke is funny or not. Why most people think that "explaining makes it less funny" has nothing to do with the joke, the problem is either with the person delivering the joke (they mess up the timing or leave out essential information) or with the recipient (they lack the information to get the context or reference of the humor). Both are external to the joke.

jgomezg said:
does everyone you know in real life laugh at exactly the same things in the firs tplace? No, they probably don't.

Have you ever been to a comedy movie or to a comedy nightclub? Everyone laughs at the same stuff. Likewise go see a movie in your native language that has been translated into a foreign language, the people there laugh at the exact same moments. Humor is universal.

The problem with people "getting" foreign humor is inevitably a problem with the recipient. They don't understand the context/reference of the humor, and rather than try to learn, they just say "it isn't funny". But ignorance doesn't change the humor.

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Bigotry? Well, that's a totally unnecessary term in this discussion. It's kind of oddly amusing to see you actually felt the need to put it that way. There are certainly far better methods of showing disagreement and debating without such expressions.

Uhm, the "soft bigotry of lower expectations" is a phrase. It means that there is no praise when you say that something is "good" solely because it is better than something bad. It's a meme in the WSJ. In your case, "the character development of the second episode was better than the first" was not praise because the first episode HAD no character development. Likewise when people say "the second episode was better than the first", this is true because it really couldn't have been worse than the first. However even though true, it doesn't make the second episode "good".

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so that's different from indirectly calling other people "bigots" like you've just done with me here.

Yep, I hope you now understand that I was not directly or indirectly calling you a bigot. But even if I were to indirectly call you one (which I did not) - you directly called me a bigot (as in I am bigoted against this show). I am not.

I am not looking for a "mature and complex" story, I just want the humor to be funny, the characters to be interesting, or the story to have an original element. I don't think that is too much to ask.

Jan 14, 2016 5:48 PM

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I guess this series is supposed to be comedic?

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Jan 14, 2016 6:17 PM

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I love Active Raid

Although this is a very generic anime, it's really fun to watch and the mecha fights are pretty cool.

I love the "Kamen Rider" vibe in it.

Oh, and I really love the OST.

I'm waiting for more.

Jan 14, 2016 8:04 PM

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Takuan_Soho said:

I have not criticized the art, so your entire discussion is a non sequiter.

I wasn't talking about the art in this show, at least not directly. You were the one who mentioned that Patlabor didn't look dated after 30 years, which is why I pointed out that it was originally an OVA (the movies and the TV series all came later). Which is why this led to talk about money, since if that show had been made on a lower budget the art would inevitably look a lot worse now. The original Macross TV series is a great show, but a lot of the animation has not aged well (outside of the DYRL film, which also was more expensive to produce). Not an important point, but it does flow from the earlier exchange.

Humor is universal.

Humor can be universal, at its best, but this isn't the norm. Even in those collective settings sometimes a few people won't like the same jokes. It's easier to imagine the entire crowd is always laughing identically, of course, but that's not realistic. Or again, how about when someone in your family might laugh at something you didn't find to be funny. That's quite frequent.

Thank you for explaining that, but I am glad to not follow such a meme. Nor does any sort of meme replace, or at least it shouldn't, independent thinking as well as just following decent manners. But again, since the assumption goes back to the starting point being "bad" then it is already a purely circular form of logic.

In your case, "the character development of the second episode was better than the first" was not praise because the first episode HAD no character development. Likewise when people say "the second episode was better than the first", this is true because it really couldn't have been worse than the first. However even though true, it doesn't make the second episode "good".

Going by your logic, then whenever any other show starts doing something well that it had never done before, let alone just right after the first episode, then it doesn't possibly count as "good" at all? Very strange line of reasoning.

Different people can and will disagree about whether or not the first episode was good, not only me. Which is why the so-called "truth" you are mentioning is far from being an undisputable fact. It's a matter of opinion.

I am not looking for a "mature and complex" story, I just want the humor to be funny, the characters to be interesting, or the story to have an original element. I don't think that is too much to ask.

See, some people did laugh at the jokes. They already find the humor funny. Other people didn't laugh at the jokes. They don't find the humor funny. So what are we doing to do? What is "interesting" or "original" also remains open to different reactions and views. Ultimately, almost nothing in modern fiction can be considered truly original if we are to be cynical about it. We may not individually know what has influenced something, but almost everything has a precedent.

Jan 14, 2016 8:19 PM

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This episode gave me hope. After episode 1, I was downright bored with the plot and the characters. This episode gave us a glimpse into what this show can offer...a large cast of characters with conflicting ideologies, yeah! :D That's not to say this show doesn't have flaws...it has a lot, but in the mean time I am more satisfied after this episode than episode 1. And that soundtrack...Love it!

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Jan 14, 2016 9:27 PM

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There's so much going on in this show, it's kind of messy. Can't say I understand what Taniguchi is trying to do here? I wish he'd go back and give us another season of Maria the Virgin Witch. :(

Jan 14, 2016 10:15 PM

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The pace is slightly better than last time but it still horrible enough to give me headache !!

Jan 14, 2016 10:23 PM

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I don't get why everyone is hating this series so much
I think it's pretty charming and very enjoyable.

Jan 15, 2016 12:26 AM

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is this really being directed by the director of code geass???

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is this really being directed by the director of code geass???

+ another director who has directed Bakuman (which i haven't seen but is really well received.)

Pretty sure the problem is the dude who wrote the script tho.

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