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| Yes I love this ep it getting interesting...x) My thought 'Mika won't kill that woman cause these's generic typical shounen nakama' Which is keep protecting everyone the mercy feeling but I was wrong dammit and he did it oh I forgot Mika is the antagonist right so he'll do it for sure me guess. |
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| Loved seeing them work as a group, can't wait to see more |
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| Enjoyable episode. It's sucks an attractive girl died though. This is a much more impressive season than the first. I'm digging it. |
NERigby96 said: +Mika -Death had no impact I really enjoyed this episode; it's a lot closer to what I want the series to be, although of course, we're too far in now for it to be exactly what I want it to be. Mika's moments were powerful, but the problem is that I felt nothing for the woman's death. We barely had any time with her. All I know is that she cried one time and seemed to idolise Guren - but then, most younger soldiers do, so she wasn't exactly unique in that respect. I appreciated her telling Mika where Yū-chan was headed, but beyond that, who was she? We need far more time with this series. We need it to slow right down, if it wants a shot at being anything above a 6/10. The characters tend to be shallow, and the story tends to be derivative. We need something more. Alas, I believe (as I mentioned earlier) that we are too far into the story now to expect anything much better; it really needed to start off differently. Ah, well. On to the next one. She was just a plot device to get Mika to reach Yuu. We'll get Gurren centric episodes soon. That's good. Mika's paranoia is well justified because he He's a little too paranoid but it's what Yuu needs because he's way way too gullible. One needs to drop that organization fast and the other one needs to start seeing some of the people there as "ok". laila_kissa said: Yes I love this ep it getting interesting...x) My thought 'Mika won't kill that woman cause these's generic typical shounen nakama' Which is keep protecting everyone the mercy feeling but I was wrong dammit and he did it oh I forgot Mika is the antagonist right so he'll do it for sure me guess. Mikaela is the second protagonist, not an antagonist. Where did you get this idea? He did the right thing to kill her off. She left him no choice when he was going to spare her. Of course, she had her reasons, but she wanted to die. QWERTYFish25 said: How did he even get to the point of overtly despising humans anyway? Seems like he was their pet rather than their prisoner after becoming a vampire. What really lead him to such a point where anything positive said about humans strikes a nerve? They want him to be the bad guy enough to side with the vampires but not enough were he'll drink human blood, or relentlessly kill? I mean with Lelouch and Suzaku it was ways of going about changing the world and not so much actually understanding it's a crap sack. Mikaela doesn't hate humans. You saw him fairly protective of those who are helpless and impotent because he can't keep his companions from feeding from them. He hates the Japanese Devil Army because they are the bad guys. Vampires are just "the lesser evil." Simple as that. He'll be fairly paranoid after the years of exposure to the atrocities that organization does. Depending how many chapters will be adapted, you'll probably get a flashback. But most of this will be explored in the vampire side of the story of Owari no Seraph which has Mikaela as protagonist. Mind you, this doesn't mean Gurren or Yuu's squad is evil, they are just pawns. Mika should realize eventually they are innocent but he's a little freaked out and has trust issues after years of isolation which is a natural reaction. |
ThessNov 16, 2015 8:12 PM
Thess said: Mind you, this doesn't mean Gurren or Yuu's squad is evil, they are just pawns. Yuu's squad may be, but Guren certainly isn't. |
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mira-nyan said: Thess said: Mind you, this doesn't mean Gurren or Yuu's squad is evil, they are just pawns. Yuu's squad may be, but Guren certainly isn't. That's why I had a spoiler placed there. ;) |
| Another good episode. Interesting side story with Aika and Mika. She wanted to die and he refuses to kill her until she basically forced him to do so. Next episode looks hype! |
Thess said: laila_kissa said: Yes I love this ep it getting interesting...x) My thought 'Mika won't kill that woman cause these's generic typical shounen nakama' Which is keep protecting everyone the mercy feeling but I was wrong dammit and he did it oh I forgot Mika is the antagonist right so he'll do it for sure me guess. Mikaela is the second protagonist, not an antagonist. Where did you get this idea? He did the right thing to kill her off. She left him no choice when he was going to spare her. Of course, she had her reasons, but she wanted to die. Oh well its not like I saw anywhere that Mika is antagonist he just acting like he is thats how its cross my mind to think he was one but its not like I don't know Mika was second mc :) As for that women I know she wanted to die but when I see how Mika treated her give me a hunch that he won't kill her seeing how he let her go quite few time before he kill her. Well this is shounen usual we can always foretell what's next so I never though my predict was wrong thats it. |
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| Aw men, Aiko was killed in this episode. The whole acting with Mika is kinda weird tho hahaha. Will we get a Mika development soon manga readers? |
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ReinisM said: gawd, I can't remember last time I was so angered by vampires in any story. Oh, especially Mika, that distrust (which by the way has no reason at all) to humans is really really really really really pissing me off - I can see this going into some kind of, over-the-top drama. Umm what? There's a reason why Mika distrusts them.. it's really obvious. And remember Krul whispered something in Mika's ear too.. There is something we don't know.[ |
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NERigby96 said: I like characters to be people, not plot devices. She got a dramatic death, but it had no impact because we didn't know her. If she was just a plot device, then her death shouldn't have been so dramatic. It felt a little out of place. She's a minor character. The scene was dramatic because it served as a scene for Mika's development and suffering. Anime left out he was struggling with his thirst for blood when she was bleeding all over the place. :/ laila_kissa said: Oh well its not like I saw anywhere that Mika is antagonist he just acting like he is thats how its cross my mind to think he was one but its not like I don't know Mika was second mc :) As for that women I know she wanted to die but when I see how Mika treated her give me a hunch that he won't kill her seeing how he let her go quite few time before he kill her. Well this is shounen usual we can always foretell what's next so I never though my predict was wrong thats it. This is a manga by Kagami who isn't following "common shounen troupes" at all. Or else Mika would be attacking Yu brainwashed by the vampires or some garbage like that. She chose to die after he had tried to spare her. She thanked him for fulfilling her request. |
ReinisM said: gawd, I can't remember last time I was so angered by vampires in any story. Oh, especially Mika, that distrust (which by the way has no reason at all) to humans is really really really really really pissing me off - I can see this going into some kind of, over-the-top drama. I feel you. No matter how evil humans can be, vampires are still the true evil. They considered humans as livestock. They can feed on humans, while humans cannot. They're insanely overpowered especially the nobles and 'second mc' Mika. Humans except for Yuu needed to consume some dangerous drug just to matched their level temporarily. Vampires are vampires, when you became one you're nothing more than a monster. *yare yare* ╮(╯▽╰)╭ |
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| Damn..... I dropped my Nachos... Yuu x Shinoa Ship!!! |
Shinreiyagami said: I feel you. No matter how evil humans can be, vampires are still the true evil. They considered humans as livestock. They can feed on humans, while humans cannot. They're insanely overpowered especially the nobles and 'second mc' Mika. Humans except for Yuu needed to consume some dangerous drug just to matched their level temporarily. Vampires are vampires, when you became one you're nothing more than a monster. *yare yare* ╮(╯▽╰)╭ Well, actually, this is the bias that the author is trying to disprove. Think; Vampires: -Drink the blood of humans(just like how we murder animals and plants and then eat them). -Are arrogant because they know that they're strong -Hate humans -Do not practise taboo rituals or vampire/human experimentation Humans: -They feed on other creatures - they don't practise cannibalism, but neither do the vampires - Are weak, but are prideful -Hate vampires - Experiment on other humans with the excuse 'it is not evil if it has a motive'*cough*Kureto*cough*. -Practise taboo things like creating(?) or reviving, or whatever, the Seraph of the End - this doesn't even have a motive, so far, except for 'lol, human experimentation' or even 'lol, kill all sinners'. Now who are the real monsters? The vampires who just want food, or the humans who can't live in peace with other species and experiment on their own kind? |
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Shinreiyagami said: I feel you. No matter how evil humans can be, vampires are still the true evil. They considered humans as livestock. They can feed on humans, while humans cannot. They're insanely overpowered especially the nobles and 'second mc' Mika. Humans except for Yuu needed to consume some dangerous drug just to matched their level temporarily. Vampires are vampires, when you became one you're nothing more than a monster. *yare yare* ╮(╯▽╰)╭ You realize the guys Yu works for Shinoa is half demon, does that make her evil? And demons were vampires once. |
ThessNov 18, 2015 11:53 AM
Thess said: Shinreiyagami said: I feel you. No matter how evil humans can be, vampires are still the true evil. They considered humans as livestock. They can feed on humans, while humans cannot. They're insanely overpowered especially the nobles and 'second mc' Mika. Humans except for Yuu needed to consume some dangerous drug just to matched their level temporarily. Vampires are vampires, when you became one you're nothing more than a monster. *yare yare* ╮(╯▽╰)╭ You realize the guys Yu works for Shinoa is half demon, does that make her evil? And demons were vampires once. I'm sure we all know that Mahiru's only intention was to get into Guren's pants. Clearly a good intention, because it means she has taste. |
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Thess said: laila_kissa said: Oh well its not like I saw anywhere that Mika is antagonist he just acting like he is thats how its cross my mind to think he was one but its not like I don't know Mika was second mc :) As for that women I know she wanted to die but when I see how Mika treated her give me a hunch that he won't kill her seeing how he let her go quite few time before he kill her. Well this is shounen usual we can always foretell what's next so I never though my predict was wrong thats it. This is a manga by Kagami who isn't following "common shounen troupes" at all. Or else Mika would be attacking Yu brainwashed by the vampires or some garbage like that. She chose to die after he had tried to spare her. She thanked him for fulfilling her request. Then glad to know that the author has different method to present better plot without follow those kind shounen tropes cause the cliche make me get to used with these type of story sometime. And yeah I know bout the her wish still its make Mika cool somehow with his attitude like that though I feel pity for her. |
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mira-nyan said: Thess said: You realize the guys Yu works for Shinoa is half demon, does that make her evil? And demons were vampires once. I'm sure we all know that Mahiru's only intention was to get into Guren's pants. Clearly a good intention, because it means she has taste. A truly smart woman would have had a threesome with Gurren and Shinya. I don't think they would have objected! |
Thess said: A truly smart woman would have had a threesome with Gurren and Shinya. I don't think they would have objected! |
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| Wow so much hate for Mika. Manga readers have a different perspective on him. Let me say this clearly: he has his reasons for not trusting humans, believe me, only if you read the manga you'll understand what's he talking about. In the manga her words were written. She said "THANK YOU" to him because she asked him to kill her otherwise her companions (including Yuu) would be caught and she would be tortured by vampires to extract information, so she TRUSTED Mika AND BY HER OWN WILL WANTED TO DIE BY HIS HANDS INSTEAD of someone cruel. He was fast and clean and that is a good death comparing to die being slowly tortured and wounded and betraying your friends. He did not want to kill her, he would have spared her but she really wanted him to kill her and she was grateful to him whispering "Thank you", and that's why I find the manga scene much more touching where you can see Mika's sad expression much better than in the anime where he doesnt even feels sorrowful. Mika is not the Japanese fandom fav's character for no reason. He won the Owari no Seraph poll by far and he is having a light novel being serialized just of his past. He is a complicated deep character with emo moments and sometimes snob attiude but one thing that makes him awesome is the fact that Mika was always always looking for those he cared, trying to protect them even at the cost of his own life. If Akane had survived he would surely pursue her like he does with Yuu, that Im positively sure. Mika suffered so much that he got "cold" but he is not ANTAGONIST OR VILLAIN AND HE SHALL NEVER BE so do not put him in that category just because you saw him being "emotionless". He has been in constant pain for years suffering with a hunger he cannot fill and that gives him physical (uncontrollable thirst) and psychological pain (he doesnt wish to hurt people). Enduring for having to become a monster like the one who killed his family. Having to see that monster every single fucking day and re-living the moment his family was slaughtered and not being able to fucking kill Ferid. Having to watch vampires sucking humans. Being made a "dog" to the queen. Basically have zero friends or nakamas while Yuu made an entire best-friends-squad and Guren-daddy. The reason why he hasnt flipped yet and went crazy? Yuu. Yuu is his humanity, he loses Yuu, he loses himself because Mika is unable to live without bonds of love. He is a sweet, gentle soul even if he is bitter at the moment and he has all the right to be, considering he is forced to live with vamps, fight humans and is unable to find Yuu and frustrated for not being able to protect him. Mika just wants to have his family back you cant blame him for wanting a spark of happiness in his whole fucking painful life. |
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| Boring episode. |
Akarioru said: Really hold on a sec the hel U got this idea from when did I ever mention I hate Mika tbh I love/like him like any others my fav character and I knew his suffering from alot of painful stuff indeed I don't read the manga but that doesn't mean I need to dislike one charac or more cause of it, ofc I want him to smile again beside Yuu seriously my comment don't even refer to hate neither do Mika just about shounen cliche plot that I've been seeing to much happen again and again. Bout Mika behavior and personality showing him as if he's the bad guy and deep down I know his kind btw I like him like this more.. Also this I really wanted Mika to kill that women cause I pity her for some reason at the same time Mika look his hesitate/spare like I said before I know bout her wish I never expected a plot twist by the end thats it. If you're not BL lover don't open these spoiler official art and how can I not love Mika look cause of this how passionate his toward Yuu. JK |
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laila_kissa said: Akarioru said: Really hold on a sec the hel U got this idea from when did I ever mention I hate Mika tbh I love/like him like any others my fav character and I knew his suffering from alot of painful stuff indeed I don't read the manga but that doesn't mean I need to dislike one charac or more cause of it, ofc I want him to smile again beside Yuu seriously my comment don't even refer to hate neither do Mika just about shounen cliche plot that I've been seeing to much happen again and again. Bout Mika behavior and personality showing him as if he's the bad guy and deep down I know his kind btw I like him like this more.. Also this I really wanted Mika to kill that women cause I pity her for some reason at the same time Mika look his hesitate/spare like I said before I know bout her wish I never expected a plot twist by the end thats it. If you're not BL lover don't open these spoiler official art and how can I not love Mika look cause of this how passionate his toward Yuu. JK Actually I was talking about several people in this thread, not specifically you, lol, sorry. (I read all the pages on this thread so...); Im a yaoi lover, a complete and respectful not crazy fujoshi, that pic just made my day;P *my otp* *hard sobs* thanks for sharing~ |
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laila_kissa said: Akarioru said: Really hold on a sec the hel U got this idea from when did I ever mention I hate Mika tbh I love/like him like any others my fav character and I knew his suffering from alot of painful stuff indeed I don't read the manga but that doesn't mean I need to dislike one charac or more cause of it, ofc I want him to smile again beside Yuu seriously my comment don't even refer to hate neither do Mika just about shounen cliche plot that I've been seeing to much happen again and again. Bout Mika behavior and personality showing him as if he's the bad guy and deep down I know his kind btw I like him like this more.. Also this I really wanted Mika to kill that women cause I pity her for some reason at the same time Mika look his hesitate/spare like I said before I know bout her wish I never expected a plot twist by the end thats it. If you're not BL lover don't open these spoiler official art and how can I not love Mika look cause of this how passionate his toward Yuu. JK Not even BL. All vamps are like that. -points at blushing Chess and Horn- |
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| Damn... those feels... Aika. RIP!!! |
Not even BL. All vamps are like that. -points at blushing Chess and Horn- Chess and Horn were blushing because they are (most likely) attracted to Crowley, and besides the act of sucking blood, unless it is just feeding, is/was seen as very intimate and perhaps even sexual, that's why in old Dracula films it was shown between Dracula and a damsel, because it added a sexual sense to the act, therefore romanticising it. And since I don't believe Mika would only feed off Yuu (mercilessly) this picture can be seen as a very intimate and 'Bl' esque picture. And even though I hate using this argument since it triggers people to lie but, if perhaps Yuu was a female or even Mika, this would be taken as some pretty darn good canon evidence. Just... stop with the ship hate, Mikayuu shippers hardly do it and even if they do it's either in defense or they're just assholes. Basically fujos and especially Fudans want to be respected, just because we ship something that it portraying two males please don't square us out, we (most of us) still are good people. (besides you hardly see people bashing yuri, yeah definitely not discrimination) And anyway you... 'yaoi haters' can relax, it's not official, just a fan with amazing style copying skills. |
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Tsukkimaru said: Chess and Horn were blushing because they are (most likely) attracted to Crowley, When Chess was drinking the human's blood tho. and besides the act of sucking blood, unless it is just feeding, is/was seen as very intimate and perhaps even sexual, that's why in old Dracula films it was shown between Dracula and a damsel, because it added a sexual sense to the act, therefore romanticising it. And since I don't believe Mika would only feed off Yuu (mercilessly) this picture can be seen as a very intimate and 'Bl' esque picture. And even though I hate using this argument since it triggers people to lie but, if perhaps Yuu was a female or even Mika, this would be taken as some pretty darn good canon evidence. I know that. I'm just saying that it's not BL. I mean, should I ship Chess and random-human-fodder because she blushed while drinking his blood? Just... stop with the ship hate, Lol, so stating the obvious is ship hate. Okay. Mikayuu shippers hardly do it and even if they do it's either in defense or they're just assholes. And this is where you're wrong. MikaYuu shippers are everywhere. And it's very clear. Basically fujos and especially Fudans want to be respected, Mkay. I dunno what this has to do with anything. just because we ship something that it portraying two males please don't square us out, I'm not squaring anyone out. I just said the obvious - it's not BL. Unless you mean Brotherly Love(not incest). we (most of us) still are good people. (besides you hardly see people bashing yuri, yeah definitely not discrimination) Again, how am I bashing BL? Just place one quote. So stating the obvious is now referred to as 'bashing'? I can't tell you that it's blatantly clear that their love is platonic and familial? And anyway you... 'yaoi haters' can relax, it's not official, just a fan with amazing style copying skills. Not once did I say, nor act like I hate yaoi, tho. Tbh, I'm surprised you got so aggressive over three short and simple lines. You're acting like the victim of 'yaoi hate', but you're clearly attacking me for stating that vampires blushing when drinking blood doesn't mean they romantically or sexually like the thing they're drinking from. |
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| The remaining episodes will mostly focus on killings now plus the reveal of the mole on both sides. |
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Tbh, I'm surprised you got so aggressive over three short and simple lines. You're acting like the victim of 'yaoi hate', but you're clearly attacking me for stating that vampires blushing when drinking blood doesn't mean they romantically or sexually like the thing they're drinking from. Whoah, relax. For starters I wasn't saying the pic /was/ BL, I was just trying to show you why some people might see it as that. And reading back I didn't make it quite clear enough so I see why you thought I was being aggressive. But the last 2 paras were meant to be all-rounders, not directed at you. And besides I wasn't purposely attacking anybody, I was just fed up. Some people sometimes deny things that look as if it's pointing towards a ship just because it's gay or lesbian, I was just trying to say to leave people alone, since in most cases (as I've said before I hate using this) if the characters were male and female, people either wouldn't bat an eye, or would be screaming it's canon. I'm just tired of it all. |
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| Good episode, though a lot of the fighting lacked impact. |
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| Finally, Mikla killed a human... Yeah, have to agree, Skuld seemed pretty lewd, but I think she has the right to, I mean, if you were in that situation, would you sell out your comrades in exchange for your life? That's what humans are yo, but she still wanted to die in the end so that shows at least some honour for her. |
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| Nice helicopter shot. Just another setup episode otherwise. |
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SoulBlitz said: Finally, Mikla killed a human... Yeah, have to agree, Skuld seemed pretty lewd, but I think she has the right to, I mean, if you were in that situation, would you sell out your comrades in exchange for your life? That's what humans are yo, but she still wanted to die in the end so that shows at least some honour for her. CandyFace said: Hmm Aiko going from begging for mercy to being suicidal in less than a minute. I guess it make sense as she gave her comrades away... becoming completely untrustworthy. A rough episode i must say. Are you people seriously that dense. Did no one get that scene? She didn't sell out anyone. Her begging for her life was an act and the information she gave were a lie. |
| Poor leader woman! I thought I was going to like her.... |
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| This is getting good, both Yu and Mika are getting closer to the soldier model, instead of following the usual MC pseudo-soldier attitude. |
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| I really wonder who's pulling the strings. Meanwhile, Yuu x Shinoa is still strong! RIP Aihara. Thank you for being a plot device and not much of a character. What will you do now, Mika, once you've seen Yuu? |
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| The two vampire girls are hot! RIP Aika. |
| Lovely development, looking forward to see what's next! |
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| Good episode, but yikes at the wipeout of that squad. Looks like we're down to the Elite 15 (16 if you count the sniper guy) trying to take back the hostages at City Hall. I'm assuming shit will go down and numerous will die (probably that newer squad of 5) and Mika and Yuu will have some drama. Good use of the OST in this episode with Aiko(?) got killed |
animefan8800 said: I knew Aiko was a goner as soon as she appeared. Such a waste of a beautiful character design. :( Exactly what I thought. I want to see some nobles get beat! |
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| Quite the interesting back and forth there and explored more of Mika's character. Ever-fighting against the urge to satiate his agonizing thirst and discard his humanity, unwavering in his resolve to save his friend, forced to kill and cause pain to others against his wishes, strategic, disloyal but manages to remain focused and maintain his facade, and doesn't belong with the vampires nor humans both psychologically and physically. To me thus far he's more compelling than Yuu. |
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| I enjoyed the use of the song when Aiko died. Kinda disappointed that she didn't have too much of an impact though. If they had developed her character more it would have been a better death IMO. |
| >people blaming Mika when Mika is the only reason Aiko had a shred of hope and the only reason the City Hall group isn't being bumrushed oh, you people. Anyway, great episode yet again. Aiko was a powerful character while she lasted, RIP. |
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