| That OST tho... <3_<3 |
| I agree. Why the hell did 12 give Lisa the bomb in the first place? It's odd how they go from meticulously planning every single move to acting on a self destructive whim in the blink of an eye. Lisa wasn't a necessary character (although I did like her, she was a sweetie). The fact that 5 could do whatever the fuck she pleased with no consequences was ridiculous. The chess game... I'll just forget that ever happened. I think the show would've been better if the detective squared off against 9/12 for the entirety of the show in a cat/mouse game. Everyone single inch of Japan is covered by recorded video or some sort of magic. How did 5 know that LIsa was living at their apartment? How did she even know where the apartment was in the first place? How in the hell did she have camera footage of Lisa exiting that run down arcade? If she knew they were there, shouldn't she have taken the initiative and arrested them sooner? Despite all that, I still enjoyed watching this anime. It was fun and engaging. |
much_kawaii said: That OST tho... <3_<3 |
FragOutFire said: Why am I a Berserk fan? All I ever experience is pain. We are in the eclipse and Miura has sacrificed us |
| I wanted to love it, but I couldn't. Though I did like the show, I agree with the OP. The final "showdown" with 5ive was anti-climactic. Lisa was.. useless pretty much. Lovely animation and music though |
| I agree. After this and Space Dandy, I think Mr. Cowboy Champloo has lost his touch. Faith lost. |
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| If we look realistically, it indeed has many flaws, yet it's still amazing as hell. Must be the aesthetic appeal... |
| Also, why the hell was there even a bomb at the airport all they had to do was lure them in; there was no point setting it off and losing all that $$ |
| The series itself was really good. The main cast were all really strong in their roles if you ask me. Been one of the best suspense anime of the last couple of years, it always left me hanging when the episode ended with it's nasty nasty cliffhangers XD |
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| On some levels I can see where you're coming from cause this did remind me a lot of cowboy bebop (which i didnt like and much and gave 6/10) but i feel like this was very solid overall. In a way Lisa didn't have to be in the series but she was important to 9 and 12 as a person. Plus she did contribute to the story (not in the best way but as in the damsel in distress half the time) and made it a little more interesting in my view. I also sorta agree with you on the point of character development. We dont get to know 9 and 12 more than their back story but i feel like watching them and observing how they act under the different situations we see how they are and how they change. I thought their motives were actually very good. Until the ending i didnt get it but when they pointed out that the reason was to expose the child testing they went through i felt that was reason enough for causing a bunch of explosions and destroying a lot of things. I would say there was some resolution for the characters. I mean yeah 9 and 12 died but their goal was achieved which is enough in my view. Lisa sorta goes on with her life and i'm guessing going through all that she changed as a person (idk but i'm guessing). Side note, anyone wanna explain why 5 kissed 9 then killed herself cause that baffled me. like that was pretty unnecessary and sorta made her character seem illogical. |
Mr_AmbivalenceOct 5, 2014 2:50 AM
| Examining one series under the magnifying glass at a time. |
LegnaOnFire said: Nyron said: I posted a half-dozen solid criticisms of the series. How is this thread vague? And 6/10 by definition is mediocre. Are you daft? It is subjetive, but 6/10 isn't mediocre, it is something you enjoyed but you didn't like how it ended. 5 is bad, anything under 4 is plain shit nobody should ever watch. Again, it is subjetive... That's gaming sites rating system. Mediocre is 5. |
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bastek66 said: LegnaOnFire said: It is subjetive, but 6/10 isn't mediocre, it is something you enjoyed but you didn't like how it ended. 5 is bad, anything under 4 is plain shit nobody should ever watch. Again, it is subjetive... That's gaming sites rating system. Mediocre is 5. Everyone has their own rating system. For me, 10 is my favorites, 9 are amazing (like 10 but not fav's), 8 are really interesting. Here it stops, 7 are anime that had potential to become great, but somewhere it misses it, yes, it's better than all other anime, but worse than the good, simply original. And 6- are simply bad anime, maybe it had something, but really boring as the score goes down. So as somebody has told me, 7 is "good", maybe according to the MAL "naming" score, but nor for me, you can call it good, but I wouldn't really recommend it to someone, I would simply say: "Watch it to just know the anime" or "Watch it at your own risk". But yeah, it is original. |
vrist said: i'll say it again, Lelouch's half sister who is in a wheelchair and blind is more bearable to watch than Lisa. No, burn that bitch. Lisa > any of Code Geass's female characters |
| Agree about the Lisa part but still a good show and not too unrealistic. |
| The OP hit the nail on the head with the points he brought up. There is nothing more I can add or say to express my overall feelings about the show. It wasn't bad, I did enjoy it on some level, but it wasn't remarkable either. The animation and soundtrack were the saving grace of an otherwise lackluster and forgettable anime. |
Nyron said: Keep babbling and flapping your mouth as if you could come up with something better, and that goes for the rest of the fucking critique around this site of shitty component.I wouldn't call this show "style over substance" at all The show had no style to speak of, it was visually very dry and uninteresting in its attempts to be realistic. Bebop, Champloo and Dandy were all better examples of "style" |
Afezeria said: Nyron said: Keep babbling and flapping your mouth as if you could come up with something better, and that goes for the rest of the fucking critique around this site of shitty component.I wouldn't call this show "style over substance" at all The show had no style to speak of, it was visually very dry and uninteresting in its attempts to be realistic. Bebop, Champloo and Dandy were all better examples of "style"  |
| No it wasn't. IMO it was the best of summer and one of the best in 2014. It had everything I look for in a show. I was like today i have ZnT. No matter what I'll watch the episode when i return home no matter the time. This ,F/STN and WIXOSS make me say such thing. The story had bombing and terrorism it was better than perfect. The few plot holes didn't seem to be enough for me to not enjoy this show to the fullest. Forgot to mention Gokukoku no Brynhildr made me have the same feelings. |
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Nyron said: I wouldn't call this show "style over substance" at all The show had no style to speak of, it was visually very dry and uninteresting in its attempts to be realistic. Bebop, Champloo and Dandy were all better examples of "style" > visually very dry > no style someone's a hater. |
| Finished it in one go. Gotta say after reading this thread there's a lot of whack ass traditionalist on MAL. One of the shows that still try to go above and beyond the sea of shit that Anime is slowly becoming and it's instantly dismissed because it's not as "realistic" or "good as" a previous entry or some super imposed standard. Seriously? I myself acknowledge it's not perfect nor all cohesive but shit, even I know this is the kind of stuff the industry needs to be focusing on. Looking at the line up of staff it's clear what happened in development and how it affected the final product. Even so the show still managed to paint a colorful story and interesting backdrop that the audience can play with. This is a 10/10 not because it's perfect but because this is the sorta shit that needs recognition, good or bad, so hopefully more higher quality work will be the emphasis of the industry in the future. |
LordLagann said: Finished it in one go. Gotta say after reading this thread there's a lot of whack ass traditionalist on MAL. One of the shows that still try to go above and beyond the sea of shit that Anime is slowly becoming and it's instantly dismissed because it's not as "realistic" or "good as" a previous entry or some super imposed standard. Seriously? I myself acknowledge it's not perfect nor all cohesive but shit, even I know this is the kind of stuff the industry needs to be focusing on. Looking at the line up of staff it's clear what happened in development and how it affected the final product. Even so the show still managed to paint a colorful story and interesting backdrop that the audience can play with. This is a 10/10 not because it's perfect but because this is the sorta shit that needs recognition, good or bad, so hopefully more higher quality work will be the emphasis of the industry in the future. this is the best logic. this show is perfect, not because its perfect, but because other stuff could be perfect. people on mal like this show because terrorism and guns are edgy and cool. dont you guys get that? this show didnt have to be good. it only had to have slick art and be about edgy stuff. |
SolvitePriest said: this is the best logic. this show is perfect, not because its perfect, but because other stuff could be perfect. people on mal like this show because terrorism and guns are edgy and cool. dont you guys get that? this show didnt have to be good. it only had to have slick art and be about edgy stuff. You either missed my point completely or are just too in love with the current bare minimum moeshit effort the industry has taken on. If we've started on focusing on this stuff years ago and then something like this came out there would be legit reasons to get your panties in a bunch. Since we haven't and shows like this rarely ever see daylight it's a wonder why there's even a discussion about it. This show is far from perfect, but it went out there and tried something. Even with it's imperfections it still is leagues above a majority of shows that aired within it's season. It's astonishing how people will immediately downplay all the things that were done right and blow up everything that missed it's mark. As if turning the pages of time back and pointing at an example years prior will help solidify their argument. Bottom line is we need more shows headed in this direction and it's never gonna be done properly if people bitch and moan every time someone takes a shot. It's clear that it suffers from a variable of problems. It's also clear those same problems aren't even discussed when it comes to shows that are more popular and mainstream. Yet when it comes to this everyone has to jump on it as if there isn't a more glaring issue at hand. Would you rather see more iterations and development of something like this or another mass waifu marketing campaign? I'd take the former. |
LordLagann said: lol this anime is actually pretty gray and to say it's unique makes me question what kind of drugs you're on. Edgy premise, unrealistic characters, and retard execution; it's a very disappointing series, especially coming from a writer known for making charming charactersSolvitePriest said: this is the best logic. this show is perfect, not because its perfect, but because other stuff could be perfect. people on mal like this show because terrorism and guns are edgy and cool. dont you guys get that? this show didnt have to be good. it only had to have slick art and be about edgy stuff. You either missed my point completely or are just too in love with the current bare minimum moeshit effort the industry has taken on. If we've started on focusing on this stuff years ago and then something like this came out there would be legit reasons to get your panties in a bunch. Since we haven't and shows like this rarely ever see daylight it's a wonder why there's even a discussion about it. This show is far from perfect, but it went out there and tried something. Even with it's imperfections it still is leagues above a majority of shows that aired within it's season. It's astonishing how people will immediately downplay all the things that were done right and blow up everything that missed it's mark. As if turning the pages of time back and pointing at an example years prior will help solidify their argument. Bottom line is we need more shows headed in this direction and it's never gonna be done properly if people bitch and moan every time someone takes a shot. It's clear that it suffers from a variable of problems. It's also clear those same problems aren't even discussed when it comes to shows that are more popular and mainstream. Yet when it comes to this everyone has to jump on it as if there isn't a more glaring issue at hand. Would you rather see more iterations and development of something like this or another mass waifu marketing campaign? I'd take the former. |
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Nyron said: No character development Lisa had no reason to be in the show at all Main characters' motivations were weak The climaxes of the series were genuinely unexciting It attempted to be as realistic as possible, but completely contradicted that with all of its gaping holes in logic No real resolution for any characters at all I liked that it put a lot of effort into the terrorism sequences and bombs, it seemed like they did a lot of research there but everything else? This show is a 6/10 at absolute best I'm really disappointed in Watanabe yay agree 100 percent |
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