| Up to this episode, she still stay unnecessary and a burden character. It already on episode 8 but she still doesn't change at all. I will be really pissed of if Sphinx failed because of her. She better become a good character or this anime can be considered a failure because of her. |
| I find it funny how they made Nine and Twelve go to school specifically to meet Lisa and then they never show up to school ever again. Overall Lisa is useless and has made things worse for Sphinx. I can't really relate to her problems honestly since I haven't really been bullied or had an overprotective mother, but her running away from home was a pretty stupid decision. She left without so much of a plan as to what she should do afterwards. I would plan things out more. I also don't get why she gives her mother absolutely no attention. She has mostly shunned her mother from her life. I don't think we even see her respond to any of her mother's texts and she just hides away from her while she's at home. She does nothing to truly help solve her own problems, or at least alleviate them. But like I said. I haven't been in a situation similar to hers so I can't properly judge her actions. |
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Pik3Rob said: I find it funny how they made Nine and Twelve go to school specifically to meet Lisa and then they never show up to school ever again. Yeah, it's been bugging me too, maybe I miss something there but for what reason Nine and Twelve enrolled there? And I don't particularly like Lisa. I don't know. I hope there won't be cliche like, Twelve falls in love with her and it messes up the plan. |
| I like her, even thought she's a bumbly, weak idiot, but at least she tries to be a terrorist even thought she hasn't got the making of one. I find her cute and I ship her with Twelve ever since the Boom joke Boom! You can't tell me this isn't cute! |
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| It feels like she exists to weaken the team to be honest but I don't have overly large hate for her :) |
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| lol, honestly, i don't see her like an "useless" character (for the series). I think that she only wants to know her place in the world. I think it's interesting to see characters like her, they are just so pretty damn realistic. But i agree that i would like to see some character development. |
| She's annoying, all she does is get in trouble/get kidnapped. She also gets in the way of my OTP. |
| She's a pointless character. And her storyline was more interesting when she was a victim of abuse and bullying. Now she's all just cutesy and klutzy super kawaii moe desu~ |
| I wish she had more monologue instead of just her being cute and quiet. I think she's relatable though, I would be acting in a similar way if I was in her shoes. |
| She's there so that the orphans don't need to mstrbt anymore. |
| Isayama Hajime should be awarded The Manga with The Highest Inconsistencies of Characters' Appearances. He keeps performing multiple plastic surgeries on those Shingeki No Kyojin characters in a SINGLE chapter. Yes, I've read up to the latest chapter of Shingeki No Kyojin manga. Forced myself to read through the kidsketching chapters after the anime's ended. At least from now on, I only have to go through the hell once a month. Patiently awaiting SNK TV/movie/OVA anime-sequel. The 2015 SNK live-action movie would probably suck. |
| She was ok before she joined 9 & 12. She just went full retard after that. |
| She's a realistic character with flaws that compliment the story. Lisa has problems at school with bullies and at home with a crazy, obsessive mother and I really feel for her. I love that Twelve comes into her life and gives her new experiences. I think that's one of the best parts of the anime - that you can see how the new experiences (like the motorcycle ride) change her. Lisa is a great character and one of my favorites because it's hard to find ones as realistic as her. Not all characters have to be powerful and physically useful all the time. She is there for the emotional parts of the story and developing Twelve's character as well. I just can't stand how people seem to think that characters are useless and annoying because they can't do certain things. I don't know how I'd act in her situation, but I sure as hell wouldn't be that strong - being able to make tough decisions in tight spots. |
ChibiStarChan said: She's a realistic character with flaws that compliment the story. Lisa has problems at school with bullies and at home with a crazy, obsessive mother and I really feel for her. I love that Twelve comes into her life and gives her new experiences. I think that's one of the best parts of the anime - that you can see how the new experiences (like the motorcycle ride) change her. Lisa is a great character and one of my favorites because it's hard to find ones as realistic as her. Not all characters have to be powerful and physically useful all the time. She is there for the emotional parts of the story and developing Twelve's character as well. I just can't stand how people seem to think that characters are useless and annoying because they can't do certain things. I don't know how I'd act in her situation, but I sure as hell wouldn't be that strong - being able to make tough decisions in tight spots. THIS! |
Pik3Rob said: I find it funny how they made Nine and Twelve go to school specifically to meet Lisa and then they never show up to school ever again. Overall Lisa is useless and has made things worse for Sphinx. I can't really relate to her problems honestly since I haven't really been bullied or had an overprotective mother, but her running away from home was a pretty stupid decision. She left without so much of a plan as to what she should do afterwards. I would plan things out more. I also don't get why she gives her mother absolutely no attention. She has mostly shunned her mother from her life. I don't think we even see her respond to any of her mother's texts and she just hides away from her while she's at home. She does nothing to truly help solve her own problems, or at least alleviate them. But like I said. I haven't been in a situation similar to hers so I can't properly judge her actions. ^THIS And also, no real life person would just randomly start helping out 2 terrorists, the fact that she was like let me join you before she fully even knew what they were doing (she still doesn't know full story) makse me want puke becuase that's just too unrealistic. I do believe the show would be much better whitout her. |
ChibiStarChan said: She's a realistic character with flaws that compliment the story. Lisa has problems at school with bullies and at home with a crazy, obsessive mother and I really feel for her. I love that Twelve comes into her life and gives her new experiences. I think that's one of the best parts of the anime - that you can see how the new experiences (like the motorcycle ride) change her. Lisa is a great character and one of my favorites because it's hard to find ones as realistic as her. Not all characters have to be powerful and physically useful all the time. She is there for the emotional parts of the story and developing Twelve's character as well. I just can't stand how people seem to think that characters are useless and annoying because they can't do certain things. I don't know how I'd act in her situation, but I sure as hell wouldn't be that strong - being able to make tough decisions in tight spots. The realistic part i agree with you. Okay she is not useless. But her role so far is become a burden for 12 and 9. You can't deny that, realistic or not you think she is. Like i said, she even become a burden when she attempting to not become a burden. As if the author want to make Lisa as the device to make 9 and 12 crumble down. The show would be so much better without her as 9 and 12 will not have a burden they should carry on. As a character, then yes she is realistic and actually pretty good potrayed about how she react to the thing about this terrorist matter, but as her role on this series, she is a burden that it actually more a compliment by saying it she was a useless character. Unless there are a change on the rest of episode, then she stays a burden character. |
FlashofthebackSep 6, 2014 6:16 PM
lalabella said: ^THIS And also, no real life person would just randomly start helping out 2 terrorists, the fact that she was like let me join you before she fully even knew what they were doing (she still doesn't know full story) makse me want puke becuase that's just too unrealistic. I do believe the show would be much better whitout her. No, you wouldn't, she would, and back then I would probably too if I was put in the same situation. People have already explained that part. Her life was a mess both at school and at home, she had presumably no way out of this predicament when suddenly she meets these two people out of nowhere who could break her out of her hell and make her forget even for an instant her depressing reality. It really doesn't matter to Lisa what they were up to, that's not what she was thinking at that precise moment when she decided to join the group. You can call her illogical (she is), you can call her stupid (she is), you can call her irresponsible (she is, again) but given her situation her behavior given strikes me as believable if nothing else. |
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Halicone said: lalabella said: ^THIS And also, no real life person would just randomly start helping out 2 terrorists, the fact that she was like let me join you before she fully even knew what they were doing (she still doesn't know full story) makse me want puke becuase that's just too unrealistic. I do believe the show would be much better whitout her. No, you wouldn't, she would, and back then I would probably too if I was put in the same situation. People have already explained that part. Her life was a mess both at school and at home, she had presumably no way out of this predicament when suddenly she meets these two people out of nowhere who could break her out of her hell and make her forget even for an instant her depressing reality. It really doesn't matter to Lisa what they were up to, that's not what she was thinking at that precise moment when she decided to join the group. You can call her illogical (she is), you can call her stupid (she is), you can call her irresponsible (she is, again) but given her situation her behavior given strikes me as believable if nothing else. Well I have thought about this from all angles possible and it's still unbelieveble to me. |
| I feel that giving this anime 11 episodes only it's the biggest crime they could do and it seems like there are at least two arcs that were literally torn apart form the script. How does that connect with Lisa? See, apart from being a cute, troubled high school girl, moral pet for the boys and excuse for Five to make them care she's pretty much no one. If there were more episodes, not only her but also the rest of the cast would be more than three adjectives thrown together, their motives would be more believable for me and the adorable donut-eater from archives would get more screentime. I had so many hopes for Lisa, like a transformation from a civilian to terrorist, like questiong the morality of what the guys are doing, like finding herself and trying to deal with herself and her mother, ANY OF THOSE and even more, but right now we get tons of people crying that Lisa does nothing and after so many episodes where none of these happened I just run out of ammo to defend her. What does Lisa in this show? Takes a bath, sleeps cutely, makes dinner twice. She IS the power that makes the show roll, but God, does it all feel like an excuse to put a cute high school girl in the show? Like hell it does. It's not like I hate ZnT, because I'm having a blast watching it. It gots atmosphere, likeable characters (Lisa is still among them), wonderful art style and original, engaging plot. It's only flaw that sadly makes this series crumble like the building in first episode is the fact that 11 episodes is waaaaay too little to tell a story like this and don't feel contrived like sardines in a tin. |
Flashoftheback said: ChibiStarChan said: She's a realistic character with flaws that compliment the story. Lisa has problems at school with bullies and at home with a crazy, obsessive mother and I really feel for her. I love that Twelve comes into her life and gives her new experiences. I think that's one of the best parts of the anime - that you can see how the new experiences (like the motorcycle ride) change her. Lisa is a great character and one of my favorites because it's hard to find ones as realistic as her. Not all characters have to be powerful and physically useful all the time. She is there for the emotional parts of the story and developing Twelve's character as well. I just can't stand how people seem to think that characters are useless and annoying because they can't do certain things. I don't know how I'd act in her situation, but I sure as hell wouldn't be that strong - being able to make tough decisions in tight spots. The realistic part i agree with you. Okay she is not useless. But her role so far is become a burden for 12 and 9. You can't deny that, realistic or not you think she is. Like i said, she even become a burden when she attempting to not become a burden. As if the author want to make Lisa as the device to make 9 and 12 crumble down. The show would be so much better without her as 9 and 12 will not have a burden they should carry on. As a character, then yes she is realistic and actually pretty good potrayed about how she react to the thing about this terrorist matter, but as her role on this series, she is a burden that it actually more a compliment by saying it she was a useless character. Unless there are a change on the rest of episode, then she stays a burden character. Yes, I think it would be nice to see her develop more and prove herself in the future, but I wouldn't go as far as saying that the story would be better without her. I think that taking Lisa out of the story would most definitely make it very bland and unemotional. Rather than causing 9 and 12 to fall apart, she is making 9 and 12's differences more distinguished. 12 obviously isn't as concerned about bringing the media's attention to the Athena case as 9 is, and after meeting Lisa, 12 seems to be realizing it more and more. This is the main conflict. It does not lie with Lisa, but with 9 and 12's differences of opinion. I find Lisa the most relatable character in the show because she's just sort of dragged into the whole mess and doesn't know quite what's going on. She has just about as much information as the audience, so in this way, she enhances the point-of-view making it more interesting. |
| This show has so much potential but at 8/11 eps, I'm afraid it will just be wasted potential. The undeveloped characters and unclear motive bug me the most. Nice direction and music, though. Oh, Lisa thread, right. Lisa's interference seems to have moved along the plot somewhat slightly, I guess. I still don't see any redeeming factors. Five is still just as obnoxious for different reasons. @ChibiStarChan: I see what you're saying about Lisa acting as a voyeur observing the events from the outside, but usually that kind of thing is done more effectively. I don't feel like I'm gaining anything from seeing Sphinx from her point-of-view. There's no introspection, we don't know what she's thinking for the most part. She's just... there. I really want this show to step it up these last 3 eps but I don't think it will. |
| i don't know how important she's going to be in the future of the series but i like her character. it's a good way of showing an outside character view , i really like that she is there. and to say her mother was not horrible is really not fair. her mother was messed up people, she was not normal shes an emotional atomic bomb wainting to explode seriously- what kind of person behaves like that towards their children... about running out of home withaut planing anything, well she did plan didn't she? she packed a bag big enough to have some usefull stuff inside, but not too big that it would make people look at it. she also knew she was going to stay in the street and that she could not have big luggage to weight on her. but she had had enough abuse at home and at school. so she just thought that living in the street , possibly dying would be better, she could not take it anymore. its really clear that she doesnt care what happens as long has her life changes we can see that when she asks twelve if he's going to blow everything up, she doesn't even sound concerned... she doesn't give a damn , she's out. |
DayanSep 9, 2014 1:58 AM
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| I don't think anyone likes her, she's pretty much the reason why everything started to go wrong. She can't cook, take care of others, complains more than actually taking action, yeah.... Yeah I think everyone can relate to where you're coming from |
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rothrock said: I don't like her, and it's all the same reasons why you don't. Also Lisa is useless. Her being in this anime hasnt added anything of value. Her existence is literally meaningless |
| Hated her from the beginning. She's nothing but a burden to both Nine and Twelve :/ Their plans would've been almost perfect if it weren't for her. I don't even know why she was included in the show. Don't get me wrong though, I love ZnT but her existence really irks me. I just finished watching episode 10 and since she was first introduced, there's nothing that makes Lisa useful to the story, IMO, or at least to Nine and Twelve. Now, I'm not sure if she's one of those gifted children from the Athena Plan but one of the kids that was always there during flashbacks with Nine, Twelve, and Five showed a kid that looks like Lisa. I can get a screencap if anyone's interested although I'm sure some of you may have noticed this, too. (Maybe someone can enlighten me as to why there's a kid that looks like Lisa among the gifted children? Did I miss something or...?) However, Lisa doesn't display anything that makes her on the same level of intelligence as Nine, Twelve, and Five so I was really hoping that towards the end of this anime, she'll do something useful or smart but.. I don't know. I don't think I can expect anything from her with just an episode left -.- |
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| Dislike. She is a tard, she put pocky in curry |
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| Lisa should have been excluded after her bathe scene. |
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| I think it is debatable since her character essentially allows us to relate to rather let her go full keikaku and start being a professional demolition-er. Do bear in mind that even though she is a damsel in distress, she was actually portrayed as a believable damsel in distress because she isnt some perfect and sexy bishoujo, but just a flawed and human character, albeit abit of a ditz. Yes it is true that she had mostly brought trouble to both 9 and 12 but i rather have her character than someone that becomes some goddess with no solid background |
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Tsindria said: TL;DR: Lisa is annoying and I can't stand her. Knock yourselves out. +1 |
Qans said: rothrock said: I don't like her, and it's all the same reasons why you don't. Also Lisa is useless. Her being in this anime hasnt added anything of value. Her existence is literally meaningless She's humanized Twelve. |
Ghost-Lightning said: Qans said: Also Lisa is useless. Her being in this anime hasnt added anything of value. Her existence is literally meaningless She's humanized Twelve. Yeah but then she just seems like obvious plot device. There's really nothing interesting about her, she's meant to be realistic and that's probably what the show needs. Imo, it doesn't even seem realistic to join teenage terrorists because you have mother problems. You're aware that they want to blow shit up and kill lots of people right? What kind of mindset do you have to even do something that stupid in the first place? And I can relate since I do have mother problems, but I don't think I'd be able to abandon my mom and join a bunch of terrorists. But that's just me. I hope I didn't go off-topic. But yeah, some more development would be needed. The show just ended, oh well. |
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rothrock said: And I can relate since I do have mother problems, but I don't think I'd be able to abandon my mom and join a bunch of terrorists. But that's just me. But these are bishonen terrorists so it makes sense in anime land. |
| I'm not the kind of person who hates a character just because they don't affect the plot at all or if their existence is meaningless. I find it unrealistic for a show to have all the charaters with mintal problems/ smart as fuck/ tragic past etc. If you all were in this kind of anime,the majority would be in Lisa's place,me counting. Yeah,I agree she doesn't have development at all,but who does? None of the rest. She's just a simple human. |
Danish said: rothrock said: And I can relate since I do have mother problems, but I don't think I'd be able to abandon my mom and join a bunch of terrorists. But that's just me. But these are bishonen terrorists so it makes sense in anime land. lol |
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rothrock said: You're aware that they want to blow shit up and kill lots of people right? What kind of mindset do you have to even do something that stupid in the first place? But they didn't kill people. |
kawaii-despair said: rothrock said: You're aware that they want to blow shit up and kill lots of people right? What kind of mindset do you have to even do something that stupid in the first place? But they didn't kill people. I know, I'm just stating what terrorists are known to do. That maybe she'd have an idea what she's getting herself into. |
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| Lisa was less of a character and more of tool. An anchor grounding 9 and 12 in reality, being the one person in the world who cares for them. She doesn't really matter herself, but her ordinary treatment and warmth towards them was important. She's disappointing as a character because she was entirely designed to soften the main characters and humanise them. I don't particular like her, but at least she had some use. |
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| And finally lisa says women are bad extremely bad in sports...smh. Even 9 and 12 face palmed... |
xstina0314 said: Maybe she's just too real for the anime world... So deep. |
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| I was hoping they would have at least showed how she grew as a character but she seems like she is the same person she was in episode one. The anime was good but it would have been better with out her, yes I know a "normal person witness" was needed but I wish they didn't go with the "useless/damsel in distress" trope for her character. Her getting kidnaped 2 episodes in a row was beyond ridiculous. She gets the award for my least favorite Hana kana role. |
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